Re: Unvaccinated 7-month old baby in CA

[Guest guest]

to take a page from Winnie, no study absolutely proves any immunity from vaccines. So you could get it for her and weaken her immune system. then she'd really be susceptible. work on keeping her healthy. is she breast fed? are you healthy? do you guys spend at least 30 min in the sun a day? I live in vegas but travel to cali once a month and i'm not worried, i have a 3 yr old and a 10 month old no shots at all either. I do try my damndest to keep them as healthy as possible.. meaning we take our vitamins eat a very healthy diet and lord knows we get plenty of sun out here! LOL I also am very knowledgeable in herbs and homeopathy so i feel ready, in case we do catch something. We all got RSV last winter and it sucked but we made it through relatively unscathed.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:36 PM, deb19471 <dplaistowe@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I live in Nothern California and my baby girl is 7 months. We haven't had her vaccinated for anything yet (still doing the research and weighing up the pros and cons) but the whooping cough epidemic in CA has got me a little spooked. The reasons I'm not rushing out to vaccinate her are that I stay at home, my husband works from home, and our baby never goes into daycare. So I'm figuring our exposure is limited. Also, given that multiple shots are recommended for dtap, I'm not sure how much protection getting one shot now would provide against the current epidemic.

But it is the young babies that are the worse affected by whooping cough, so I'm very concerned. Can anyone help with what other options for protection are available against whooping cough for young babies?

Thanks

Debbie

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Debbie,

The trouble with news reports is that one does not know the true health status of these kids getting whooping cough. That really matters. In fact, whooping cough and other diseases, too, come and go regardless of whether the news reports it. People of all ages are getting many diseases all the time. And many are not.

It's important to understand, too, the connection between our government (and by association the pharmaceutical companies) and the news media. The media is used to promote government policies, including vaccination. Please do not be swayed by news articles. They have misleading headlines, cherry-picked facts and rarely are two-sided. The only things you need to consider about vaccines are safety, effective and necessity.

Are vaccines needed? I don't believe so. If they were, how come so many people (including myself) never got the diseases there were no vaccines for at the time? Something else is at play that not everyone gets sick--and that does not equate to death anyway. It is well known that the rates of many diseases went down BEFORE vaccines were introduced. Yet vaccines are given the credit, rather than better sanitation and nutrition. Should you trust those who are selling you vaccines when they ignore or deny this very important fact?

Are vaccines effective? Even those who say they are will admit they are not guaranteed. What other product would you buy that is not guaranteed to deliver? What other product would you buy that you'd need a couple of them before they might (or might not) work?

Are vaccines safe? No, not one vaccine is safe. Every one carries the risk of serious side effects, including death. Your doctor will admit that. They'll play it down but when push comes to shove, unless they lie, they will not promise your child will survive a vaccine. Side effects don't always show up right away, either.

The pertussis vaccine in particular is one of the most dangerous vaccines, Hep. B being another (and MMR). You made a great point about multiple shots. A child is supposed to get 4-5 of them, and even then only some 40-80% effectiveness is suggested. So, a 2-month old has virtually no protection, a 4-month not much more, a 6 month old, etc. until 18 months/4 years. What is the purpose then of giving any baby this vaccine then? It's all risk and no benefit.

I know whooping cough sounds scary (in fact, I think my 11-yr-old has it) and I even had a relative die of it. Sounds awful, right? She was born in the 1870's, a preemie, to a very poor family. She lived to be five. Did the whooping cough kill her, or did the poverty and rough start in life? What would a vaccine have done to this physically weakened baby? It could have killed her outright.

Debbie, the only life threatening illnesses my children have had were directly related to vaccines or overuse of antibiotics. Follow your instincts. The best protection is to nurse your baby, feed them good food and have an arsenal of alternative meds in the house to choose from. A good naturopath or other alternative doctor to guide you is essential at the start if you don't feel comfortable experimenting with these meds. Have you read any of Neil 's books?

Winnie Unvaccinated 7-month old baby in CAVaccinations > Hi,> > I live in Nothern California and my baby girl is 7 months. We > haven't had her vaccinated for anything yet (still doing the > research and weighing up the pros and cons) but the whooping > cough epidemic in CA has got me a little spooked. The reasons > I'm not rushing out to vaccinate her are that I stay at home, my > husband works from home, and our baby never goes into daycare. > So I'm figuring our exposure is limited. Also, given that > multiple shots are recommended for dtap, I'm not sure how much > protection getting one shot now would provide against the > current epidemic.> > But it is the young babies that are the worse affected by > whooping cough, so I'm very concerned. Can anyone help with what > other options for protection are available against whooping > cough for young babies? > > Thanks> Debbie> >

[Guest guest]

Debbie a friend of mine that also doesnt vaccinate was just told by the doc (

trying to spook her as well) that there have been 1100 cases in McHenry county (

a county right next to Cook County in IL) and guess what? Not one peep on the

news about that...they are trying to scare everyone as you can tell. Your child

is an older baby now and can better handle it if she does get it. It isnt going

to be a fun time for you at all, but she will be fine. Hopefully you were able

to nurse her and that will be an extra benefit! Good luck and expect more of

these scares to occur!!!

tanya

>

> Hi,

>

> I live in Nothern California and my baby girl is 7 months. We haven't had her

vaccinated for anything yet (still doing the research and weighing up the pros

and cons) but the whooping cough epidemic in CA has got me a little spooked.

[Guest guest]

>

that is their intention - to spook and scare you into sales of vaccine

Older than 6 months, babies do much better with whooping cough

Whooping cough is always around but not diagnosed in vaccinated but

called something else

And often not even diagnosed in unvaccinated.

NO vaccine gives immunity ever.

Once you know all they do to scare you into vaccinating you won't be so scared

Sheri

listowner

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I live in Nothern California and my baby girl is 7 months. We

> haven't had her vaccinated for anything yet (still doing the

> research and weighing up the pros and cons) but the whooping cough

> epidemic in CA has got me a little spooked.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Winnie and everyone else who responded. I should have mentioned that my

daughter is adopted, so I'm not breastfeeding. However she is on the raw milk

formula recommended by the Weston Price Foundation and does very well on that.

She is a very healthy baby and has never got sick even a little bit so far.

I'm really interested in homeopathic options. We are moving to a new community

on Monday and I'm determined to find a holistic MD or a homeopath that we feel

comfortable working with. I'll also look into the Neil books, because I

have never heard of them before.

Thanks

Debbie

>

> Hi, Debbie,

>

> The trouble with news reports is that one does not know the true health status

of these kids getting whooping cough. That really matters. In fact, whooping

cough and other diseases, too, come and go regardless of whether the news

reports it. People of all ages are getting many diseases all the time. And many

are not.

>

> It's important to understand, too, the connection between our government (and

by association the pharmaceutical companies) and the news media. The media is

used to promote government policies, including vaccination. Please do not be

swayed by news articles. They have misleading headlines, cherry-picked facts and

rarely are two-sided. The only things you need to consider about vaccines are

safety, effective and necessity.

>

> Are vaccines needed? I don't believe so. If they were, how come so many people

(including myself) never got the diseases there were no vaccines for at the

time? Something else is at play that not everyone gets sick--and that does not

equate to death anyway. It is well known that the rates of many diseases went

down BEFORE vaccines were introduced. Yet vaccines are given the credit, rather

than better sanitation and nutrition. Should you trust those who are selling you

vaccines when they ignore or deny this very important fact?

>

> Are vaccines effective? Even those who say they are will admit they are not

guaranteed. What other product would you buy that is not guaranteed to deliver?

What other product would you buy that you'd need a couple of them before they

might (or might not) work?

>

> Are vaccines safe? No, not one vaccine is safe. Every one carries the risk of

serious side effects, including death. Your doctor will admit that. They'll play

it down but when push comes to shove, unless they lie, they will not promise

your child will survive a vaccine. Side effects don't always show up right away,

either.

>

> The pertussis vaccine in particular is one of the most dangerous vaccines,

Hep. B being another (and MMR). You made a great point about multiple shots. A

child is supposed to get 4-5 of them, and even then only some 40-80%

effectiveness is suggested. So, a 2-month old has virtually no protection, a

4-month not much more, a 6 month old, etc. until 18 months/4 years. What is the

purpose then of giving any baby this vaccine then? It's all risk and no benefit.

>

> I know whooping cough sounds scary (in fact, I think my 11-yr-old has it) and

I even had a relative die of it. Sounds awful, right? She was born in the

1870's, a preemie, to a very poor family. She lived to be five. Did the whooping

cough kill her, or did the poverty and rough start in life? What would a vaccine

have done to this physically weakened baby? It could have killed her outright.

>

> Debbie, the only life threatening illnesses my children have had were directly

related to vaccines or overuse of antibiotics. Follow your instincts. The best

protection is to nurse your baby, feed them good food and have an arsenal of

alternative meds in the house to choose from. A good naturopath or other

alternative doctor to guide you is essential at the start if you don't feel

comfortable experimenting with these meds. Have you read any of Neil 's

books?

>

> Winnie

>

> Unvaccinated 7-month old baby in CA

> Vaccinations

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I live in Nothern California and my baby girl is 7 months. We

> > haven't had her vaccinated for anything yet (still doing the

> > research and weighing up the pros and cons) but the whooping

> > cough epidemic in CA has got me a little spooked. The reasons

> > I'm not rushing out to vaccinate her are that I stay at home, my

> > husband works from home, and our baby never goes into daycare.

> > So I'm figuring our exposure is limited. Also, given that

> > multiple shots are recommended for dtap, I'm not sure how much

> > protection getting one shot now would provide against the

> > current epidemic.

> >

> > But it is the young babies that are the worse affected by

> > whooping cough, so I'm very concerned. Can anyone help with what

> > other options for protection are available against whooping

> > cough for young babies?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Debbie

> >

> >

>