DPT and a correction to my post yesterday

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Deb,

You ask if the DPT includes pertussis. Yes, DTP is diptheria,

pertussis, tetanus. Doctors used to just give the DT if requested

because the pertussis vaccine was causing a lot of bad reactions. I

guess that was the whole cell, before they went to the acellular,

which is safer, but weaker, and--it seems likely--is part of the

problem with resurgence.

To all: I'm sorry, I made a mistake yesterday when I said that

Elsevier was owned by Reuters. I did a little research online this

evening to make sure. As far as I know, they are giant, wealthy, but

separate corporations (though they jointly purchased Harcourt, the

Boston textbook publisher, in 2000). I used to work for a Thomson

publication which was sold off to a Elsevier publication, but

I'd forgotten.

Thomson-Reuters' revenues were 12.9 billion in 2009. It claims to be

the " world's leading source of info for businesses and professionals,

and the world's largest international multimedia news agency. It has

branches in financial, healthcare, legal, media, science, tax and

accounting. Sciencewatch.com is a Thomson-Reuters site. Similarly,

Elsevier owns legal, tax, scientific, business, educational, and

other medical publishing in North America, Europe, and Asia.

Christie

Christie Waldman

At 12:27 AM 7/16/2010, gubertush@... wrote:

>Slightly off topic but just wanted to make sure... when I was a baby

>the only vaccination I got (1982) was the Dpt. Is that pertussis ?

>

>Thanks

>Deb

>

>Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

>

>----- Reply message -----

>From: " Waldman " <cwaldman@...>

>Date: Thu, Jul 15, 2010 6:46 pm

>Subject: Dr. Mercola on Pertussis

><Vaccinations >, <Vaccinations >

>

>The quote you speak of, Jess, in the Mercola

>article is, unfortunately, not footnoted. I

>myself had wondered what CDC study exactly they

>were referring to, as there was no way to locate it.

>

>However, I have the study in front of me. It's

>one I posted yesterday in my post on pertussis

>articles I'd been reading (and THANKS VERY MUCH

>FOR POSTING THE MERCOLA ARTICLE TOBIAS!)

>

>That quote is the first two sentences of the

>third paragraph of the Abstract to the article,

> " Bordetella pertussis Strains with Increased

>Toxin Production Associated with Pertussis

>Resurgence, " August 2009, " Emerging Infectious

>Diseases " v.15(8) 1206-1213, 1206.

>

>The focus of the article is that Bordetella

>pertussis in the Netherlands HAS adapted. In the

>article, authors Frits Mooi et al. discuss

> " changes in the ecology of B. pertussis that may

>have driven this adaptation. " p. 1206.

>

>I don't know where else on the CDC site you might

>find that quote. Too bad Mercola didn't footnote

>it. You can go to the CDC.gov site and easily do

>a search for " pertussis mutation " and find articles. It's kind of fun.

>

>Here's the entire first paragraph of the abstract:

>

> " Before childhood vaccination was introduced in

>the 1940's, pertussis was a major cause of infant

>death worldwide. Widespread vaccination of

>children succeeded in reducing illness and

>death. In the 1990s, a resurgence of pertussis

>was observed in a number of countries with highly

>vaccinated populations, and pertussis has become

>the most prevalent vaccine-preventable disease in

>industrialized countries. We present evidence

>that in the Netherlands the dramatic increase in

>pertussis is temporally associated with the

>emergence of Bordetella pertussis strains

>carrying a novel allele for the pertussis toxin

>promoter, which confers increased pertussis toxin

>(Ptx) production. Epidemiologic data suggest

>that these strains are more virulent in

>humans. We discuss changes in the ecology of B.

>pertussis that may have driven this

>adaptation. Our results underline the importance

>of Ptx in transmission, suggest that vaccination

>may select for increased virulence, and indicate

>ways to control pertussis more effectively. . . . "

>

>(The quote in point is the first two sentences of

>the third paragraph. Many thanks Jess for the

>heads up. The work of the world doesn't wait to

>be done by perfect people, as my grandpa used to say. It takes all of us.)

>

>Christie Waldman

>

>

>

>At 12:55 PM 7/15/2010, onlyavailableinblack wrote:

> >

> >

> ><According to the CDC:

> >

> >/ " The reemergence of pertussis has been attributed to various

> >factors, including increased awareness, improved diagnostics,

> >decreased vaccination coverage, suboptimal vaccines, waning

> >vaccine-induced immunity, and pathogen adaptation ... Pathogen

> >adaptation is supported by several observations. " /

> >

> >In other words, vaccinating against the whooping cough pathogens has

> >caused the pathogens to evolve with a more virulent strain.>

> >

> >Problem with this is the CDC quote used does not say the vax is causing

> >the paths to evolve.

> >I'm not saying it is not possible that it occurred but the quote simply

> >does not say nor imply that conclusion.

> >

> >When anyone reads something in to a quote that is not there they are

> >going to get slammed in a debate and

> >credibility is lost.

> >

> >Jess

> >

> >

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