Re: 1 yr shots mmr, hib

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> my doctor is pushing im scared and also scared of my 16 month old catching

these things

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Hi Heidi - welcome to the list

Please tell us about yourself and your situation.

Have you vaccinated in the past?

How much research have you done on the diseases and the vaccines?

many have stopped going to peds because they push vaccines.

How much do you know about measles? mumps? rubella?

Was your baby breastfed?

Sheri

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Do your research. If, and that is a big if, your child catches those or other diseases, does that mean death or even disability? No, of course not. Otherwise we'd all be dead.

How about vaccine reactions? Do they scare you the same way diseases do? They should. Those are more likely to happen because when you get a vaccine, a reaction is immediately possible. NOT getting vaccinated does not result in instant disease.

You cannot easily nurse a child through a vaccine reaction because you are not dealing with "disease" at that point, but poisoning. AND the doctors will deny it so you are on your own. Then what? Then you will know what real fear is. I speak from experience.

Your child may never get any "vaccine preventable" diseases. In fact, in 20 years with four children, the only childhood disease my kids ever got was chicken pox. The older two were partially vaccinated (and the oldest had a severe reaction), the younger two are unvaxed. Why did they not get any of the other diseases? They certainly had their share of illnesses but nothing a vaccine is for.

I understand your fear. I think we all do because otherwise none of us would ever have vaccinated our children, and no one would be able to sell vaccines. But you cannot manage good health through vaccines and drugs. It sounds too simple to be true but good diet, rest and exercise--that is what works. And if your child gets sick, that is what will get them through it easier.

I would get any of Neil 's books to begin researching the truth about vaccines.

Winnie 1 yr shots mmr, hibVaccinations > my doctor is pushing im scared and also scared of my 16 month > old catching these things> >

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These are friendly childhood

diseases and no fear needed! Ask the doc why he’s pushing anything.

His job is to not push RX products, he’s not supposed to be a RX rep. ask

him if he is on their payroll, why you should be paying his salary twice then!

Read and educate yourself on these diseases. “raising a

vaccine free child” is very good. once you don’t fear the disease

and know how to treat it, you won’t wonder about getting the vaccine

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Actually, Hib meningitis is not a friendly childhood disease, but there are

several reasons to not get the vaccine. The Hib vaccine causes serotype

replacement, which is when other bacteria just take the place of the bacteria

that is vaccinated for. This happens with Prevnar as well, and some of the

bacteria that fill the void are quite dangerous. Hib meningitis is pretty rare

these days, anyway, because of the vaccine. Even before the vaccine, Hib was

usually a harmless bacteria that many people had, without getting sick.

Breastfed babies were a lot less likely to get Hib meningitis.

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> These are friendly childhood diseases and no fear needed!

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Question,

Does anyone remember reading that when someone gets the Hib shot it actually

makes them more susceptible to that disease for a period of time.

I don't remember reading the amount of time they are susceptible but I do

remember reading that they are more susceptible to catching the very disease

they are trying to prevent.

Thanks,

correy

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At 01:08 PM 5/15/2010, you wrote:

Thanks " vaccinefreemommy " <apmommy30@...> -

please just put your first name at the end of the posts rather than no

name - thanks

Actually, Hib meningitis is not

a friendly childhood disease, but there are several reasons to not get

the vaccine. The Hib vaccine causes serotype replacement, which is

when other bacteria just take the place of the bacteria that is

vaccinated for. This happens with Prevnar as well, and some of the

bacteria that fill the void are quite dangerous. Hib meningitis is

pretty rare these days, anyway, because of the vaccine.

In some ways it is because of the vaccine I suppose because of the

serotype replacement. But I don't want anyone to think it is

because the vaccine gives immunity - and as vaccinefreemommy has stated,

hib bacteria is all around us in in our noses.................so it is

not so much about a bacteria causing anything..........it is about our

total state of health. Vaccinated children are not healthy on a

deep level. So the first vaccines leave these children more

vulnerable to other illness and unable to cope. Bacteria are doing

a job in most cases-helping to clean up a mess. But if you are not

healthy and this is going on, the toxins they produce can cause illness -

where the person becomes ill depends on their susceptibilities - some

might get meningitis, some might get an ear infection, some might get

eczema, some might get asthma - all chronic illnesses induced by the

vaccine in many cases.

Even before the vaccine, Hib was

usually a harmless bacteria that many people had, without getting

sick. Breastfed babies were a lot less likely to get Hib

meningitis.

Yes, breastfed and unvaccinated.

Thanks " vaccinefreemommy " <apmommy30@...> -

please just put your first name at the end of the posts rather than no

name - thanks

Sheri

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Hib Vaccine Decreases Antibodies And May Cause Invasive Hib Disease

Children: a convenience sample of 32 healthy 2-year-old children from

diverse locales. Adults: a convenience sample of 16 healthy adults

chosen from employees at the Washington University and Tulane

University schools of medicine. INTERVENTIONS: PRP or PRP-D vaccine

administered to the adults and serum obtained daily for 5 days. PRP

vaccine was administered to the children, and serum was sampled 2 or 3

days or 4 or 5 days after immunization, or both. MEASUREMENTS AND MAIN

RESULTS: Decline in serum antibody in all seven (100%) adult recipients

of PRP. The nadir occurred on days 1 to 3, and the decrease average

26.0% of the preimmunization concentration. Eight (89%) of nine PRP-D

recipients had a similar decline that averaged 25.9%. Of 29 children,

20 (69%) had a decline that averaged 14.7%. The magnitude of

anticapsular antibody present before immunization was correlated with

the magnitude of the observed decrease. CONCLUSIONS: A decrease in

serum anticapsular antibody occurs in most children and adults

immunized with PRP (adults and children) or PRP-D (adults). Such a

decrease might transiently increase the risk of invasive disease if it

occurred during a period of asymptomatic colonization with H.

influenzae type b.

Source: J Pediatr. 1989 May;114(5):742-7

From: kdhrtd <kdhrtd@...>Subject: Re: 1 yr shots mmr, hibVaccinations Date: Sunday, 16 May, 2010, 15:36

Hi everyone,

Question,

Does anyone remember reading that when someone gets the Hib shot it actually makes them more susceptible to that disease for a period of time.

I don't remember reading the amount of time they are susceptible but I do remember reading that they are more susceptible to catching the very disease they are trying to prevent.

Thanks,

correy

[Guest guest]

It's 30 days after shot I remb. reading.

Re: 1 yr shots mmr, hib

Hi everyone,

Question,

Does anyone remember reading that when someone gets the Hib shot it actually makes them more susceptible to that disease for a period of time.

I don't remember reading the amount of time they are susceptible but I do remember reading that they are more susceptible to catching the very disease they are trying to prevent.

Thanks,

correy