Re: New York Court Denies Mother's Bid for Religious Exemption to Vaccinations

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ok note to self.. don't move to NYOn Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:20 PM, vaccinefreemommy <apmommy30@...> wrote:

 

This makes me so angry.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202447652557 & Court_Denies_Mothers_Bid_for_Religious_Exemption_to_Vaccinations

New York is known for its extremely intrusive questioning of religious beliefs in regards to vaccination.

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I live in NY and have not heard about this case. I'm assuming that the judge was

just ignorant and played the outcome by her words. As far as I know , it is

illegal for anyone to question what religion you are and just as long as you

fill out the religious exception form- your children are able to go to public

school without any problems.

Louise

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As I said in my prior post - NY is strict but my girlfrieds that have not

vaccinated at all with an 11 , 14 and 16 year old all in public school have

never had problems.. I did however have to change my pediatritian and thank God

found a pediatritian that works indepentently and never brings up vaccines to me

- she respects my decision to not vaccinate. I don't think its a NY problem- I

think it has to do with each individual doctor, lawyer, judge... all people have

their views so we just have to try to dodge the idiots lol .

Louise

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Wow. That court just ate her alive didn't they. I'm curious of what would've happened if the mother brought medical journals showing what vaccinations are made from (and how they're made) and then broke out scriptures from the bible on how our bodies should be treated as temples and we should do no harm to them. (Don't have my bible with me at this moment so I didn't quote them). I hope for other New Yorkers that more people aren't going to be questioned. Lawyers can be really tough on this issue.-K. HancockSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: Mindy LeFort <decembermoon23@...>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 23:48:16 -0700<Vaccinations >Subject: Re: New York Court Denies Mother's Bid for Religious Exemption to Vaccinations ok note to self.. don't move to NYOn Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:20 PM, vaccinefreemommy <apmommy30hotmail> wrote: This makes me so angry.http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202447652557 & Court_Denies_Mothers_Bid_for_Religious_Exemption_to_VaccinationsNew York is known for its extremely intrusive questioning of religious beliefs in regards to vaccination. -- www.discoverytoyslink.com/mlefortwww.juiceplus.com/+ml76732mindy-lefort.barefootbooks.comwww.shopmonet.com/rep/store/mindysminerals

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How do they equate taking Motrin to relieve a symptom with a "preventive" (and not guaranteed)medical procedure? And these are professionals??

Absolutely not ever moving to NY. It's time to help them with a philosophical exemption.

Winnie Re: New York Court Denies Mother's Bid for Religious Exemption to VaccinationsVaccinations > ok note to self.. don't move to NY> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:20 PM, vaccinefreemommy > wrote:> >> >> > This makes me so angry.> >> >> > > http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202447652557 & Court_Denies_Mothers_Bid_for_Religious_Exemption_to_Vaccinations>> > New York is known for its extremely intrusive questioning of > religious> beliefs in regards to vaccination.> >> > > >> > > > -- > www.discoverytoyslink.com/mlefort> www.juiceplus.com/+ml76732> mindy-lefort.barefootbooks.com> www.shopmonet.com/rep/store/mindysminerals>

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I think it all depends on the school or school district. If they are cool about

it, you are in luck. If not, and you have to appeal the decision or go to court,

you will most likely lose.

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She was doomed when she mentioned the autism/vax connection. Right there, she

would not get the religious exemption and shame on her lawyer for not making

sure she never discussed ANYTHING of a philosophical or scientific nature in a

court of NY law and now for making a precedent for other families, making it

that much harder on the rest who go after her. For shame on her lawyer. The

mother can send her child to the Waldorf School in Garden City, a private school

that isn't exceedingly pricey for preschool. They would welcome her there. -

arlynn

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> I think it all depends on the school or school district. If they are cool

about it, you are in luck. If not, and you have to appeal the decision or go to

court, you will most likely lose.

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In court, under penalty of perjury, she was asked whether she had read about the

vaccine/autism connection. She said she had, but did not necessarily believe

it. If she said she hadn't heard about the controversy, that would have looked

suspicious, since most people have heard about it.

" She also acknowledged that she had read articles about the possible link

between vaccinations and autism but had not decided if the claim had any

scientific basis.

" One day I read an article about, yes, you should immunize; and then the next

day I read an article about, no, you shouldn't immunize, " she told the court.

" Ultimately, all I can go back to is if I believe in that we are divine in our

design, immunizations are not necessary. "

I think she did a really good job showing that it was a religious decision.

Maybe she could have lied about taking Motrin for headaches, unless there was

proof that she did. But Motrin for headaches doesn't actually have anything to

do with her religious basis for not vaccinating. Clearly the judge had his mind

made up ahead of time, and had to use stupid excuses such as Motrin and pierced

ears.

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> She was doomed when she mentioned the autism/vax connection. Right there, she

would not get the religious exemption and shame on her lawyer for not making

sure she never discussed ANYTHING of a philosophical or scientific nature in a

court of NY law and now for making a precedent for other families, making it

that much harder on the rest who go after her. For shame on her lawyer.

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That is an absolute no no in New York. Anyone who does that is said to have a

philosophical objection to the ingredients. In New York, the religious beliefs

have to be against " the practice of vaccination " not based on anything specific

about the vaccines themselves.

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> I'm curious of what would've happened if the mother brought medical journals

showing what vaccinations are made from (and how they're made) and then broke

out scriptures from the bible on how our bodies should be treated as temples and

we should do no harm to them.

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It's a New York problem because the way the law is written gives these people

the power to do intrusive questioning and deny religious exemptions, if they so

choose. They shouldn't have that power. For example, Indiana law specifically

says that for a religious exemption, there is no requirement of proof.

I don't think its a NY problem- I think it has to do with each individual

doctor, lawyer, judge... all people have their views so we just have to try to

dodge the idiots lol .

> Louise

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Yep, that's true...I live in Indiana and have used religious exemption a few times..NEVER been questioned, they just say "ok, thank you"LoriFrom: vaccinefreemommy <apmommy30@...>Vaccinations Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:35:40 AMSubject: Re:

New York Court Denies Mother's Bid for Religious Exemption to Vaccinations

It's a New York problem because the way the law is written gives these people the power to do intrusive questioning and deny religious exemptions, if they so choose. They shouldn't have that power. For example, Indiana law specifically says that for a religious exemption, there is no requirement of proof.

I don't think its a NY problem- I think it has to do with each individual doctor, lawyer, judge... all people have their views so we just have to try to dodge the idiots lol .

> Louise

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I don't want to argue, but, that really isn't true in that our NY School

District did honor our religious objection to the poison ingredients of vaccines

being injected into the holy temple of the body as against our religious beliefs

that command to keep the human body a pure and holy temple, the vessel of God's

spirit. This had everything to do with the poisons of the vaccines and the fact

that they are being injected into the holy body. I do know that the minute

someone starts talking scientifically about vaccines that immediately rules out

a sincere and genuine religious belief in the school's mind. But, honestly, you

need to know what is IN the vaccines and what they do with them in order to

understand if they go against your religious beliefs or not, so there is a bit

of a catch-22 there. You just cannot discuss them in a scientific way but

**only** how they relate to your religious beliefs, b/c NY does not at this time

have Philosophical Exemption provision.

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> > I'm curious of what would've happened if the mother brought medical journals

showing what vaccinations are made from (and how they're made) and then broke

out scriptures from the bible on how our bodies should be treated as temples and

we should do no harm to them.

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Right, Connecticut, too. The DPH even provides a form to print out and sign.

Winnie Re: New York Court Denies Mother's Bid for Religious Exemption to VaccinationsVaccinations > It's a New York problem because the way the law is written gives > these people the power to do intrusive questioning and deny > religious exemptions, if they so choose. They shouldn't have > that power. For example, Indiana law specifically says that for > a religious exemption, there is no requirement of proof.> > > I don't think its a NY problem- I think it has to do with each > individual doctor, lawyer, judge... all people have their views > so we just have to try to dodge the idiots lol . > > Louise> > >