Re: Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.

March 21, 2010

U.S. vaccine schedule for children:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedu\

le-pr.pdf

Live virus vaccines: rotavirus, flu, MMR, chickenpox

Can you figure out, based on your brother's children's ages, when they would be

likely to get live virus vaccines? I'm sure they get them within the

recommended age ranges.

Your mother is probably immune to MMR, chickenpox, and rotavirus, so the chances

of your brother's kids infecting her are low, and even lower for her to infect

you or your baby.

The nasal spray flu vaccine is another story. Up to 2.4% of close contacts will

catch the flu virus from someone vaccinated with the nasal spray.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UC\

M123743.pdf (pages 17 and 18) However, not everyone in those 2.4% will actually

get sick from the flu virus they catch.

March 21, 2010

Thank you I appreciate it.

You bring up some good points, my Mother did get sick for 6 weeks when she was

exposed to the kids and right after they got the seasonal flu vac.

I asked her to ask my brother what they were getting and when, he has no control

over his wife who handles all of the doctors visits... The good thing is the

kids are behind, but every chance she has to get them in their they play catch

up and give them a while bunch of them. So the whole age thing unfortunately

won't work. Yes I have tried to educate them as to how stupid playing catch is,

but I am not the one with an MD therefore my opinion doesn't count.

The big issue is honesty and my brother and his wife won't even be honest with

my mother about this... It's all a big game to them...

And my mother knows he won't tell her the truth or respect my request to hold

off until after they have visited... While I am not hyper paranoid, I just know

that their kids are always sick (literally every week one of them has some

problem or another) and every time my parents see them, they catch something

from them, last go around it just happened to be from the Live virus vaccine.

Thanks for the info I do appreciate it.

>

> U.S. vaccine schedule for children:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedu\

le-pr.pdf

>

> Live virus vaccines: rotavirus, flu, MMR, chickenpox

>

> Can you figure out, based on your brother's children's ages, when they would

be likely to get live virus vaccines? I'm sure they get them within the

recommended age ranges.

>

> Your mother is probably immune to MMR, chickenpox, and rotavirus, so the

chances of your brother's kids infecting her are low, and even lower for her to

infect you or your baby.

>

> The nasal spray flu vaccine is another story. Up to 2.4% of close contacts

will catch the flu virus from someone vaccinated with the nasal spray.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UC\

M123743.pdf (pages 17 and 18) However, not everyone in those 2.4% will actually

get sick from the flu virus they catch.

>

March 21, 2010

Unless you never leave your home or have others over, you are around freshly vaccinated people and/or sick people all the time. If it worries you that much, then just don't have visitors at all for awhile.

When my kids were born, my sister-in-law would always show up at the hospital from hours away with her forever snotty-nosed, coughing son. Drove me nuts, so I do sympathize. You're not going to win on the vaccine issue with your family, but they might understand if you're paranoid about germs in general.

Winnie

Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.Vaccinations > I am seeking some advice on how to deal with a situation with my > family.> My Brother is an MD who is totally ignorant when it comes to > Vaccinations,> Last Sept I found out I was preggo, my parents who were visiting > my brother and his family were suppose to fly out to see us > around the time I found out I was preggo, for some reason the > day before they were suppose to fly to see us I had this awful > feeling, so I called them only to find out they were enroute > with all 3 kids to the Peditritions office. I politely said that > while I respect their right to Vaccinate if they could refrain > from exposing my parents and the kids to any live virus > Vaccinations while out there I would be greatly appreciative > because I didn't want my parents to come out here and get us all > sick. My sister in law cused and screamed at me and hung up the > phone, my mother did nothing. A few hours later I get the call > from my mom that they spoke with the doctor and he assured them > none of them were live virus vaccs, I asked if they got the > seasonal flu shot up the nose, and then basically said the > Doctor lied to you and you have all now been exposed to a live > virus vacc. > > At this point I had to break the good news to them that I was > pregnant and didn't want to be exposed so they needed to cancel > their trip out here. My Brilliant MD brother who everyone in > the family worships told my parents I was an idiot and I had no > clue what I was talking about...> > Long story short, a week later my sister in law came down with > the flu and then Pnomonia and so did both of my parents, my > mother was even tested and surprise surprise it was the same > strain from the flu vacc. Please note at this point they still > don't believe they all got sick from the Vacc. The only one > that has half a clue is my mother.> > At this point I have just asked my parents when they come visit > us to visit us first then go see my brother since he and his > wife can't be trusted to be honest about what they are exposing > their kids to, not to mention that his kids are sick all the > time because their immune systems are so screwed up.> > Sooooooooo fast forward to June when I am due, I asked my mother > in Sept when all this happened to come out June for the Birth of > my child. Now they have all known that I was due in June and > now my brother and his wife decide to go visit my parents 2 > weeks before I am to give birth. So I told my mother, 5 weeks > after they leave she can come out so I don't get exposed to > anything... I told her the other option was to talk to my > brother and ensure that his kids not be exposed to anymore > vacc's 3-4 weeks prior to the trip, my brother does not respect > me and will not be honest with my mother regarding any of this, > my mother knows this.> > Now my mother thinks I am being irrational over this whole > situation... When in reality it is all being caused by my > brother and the fact that he won't be honest with my parents > about what he is exposing them to.> > Any thoughts or advise regarding this and how I should better > handle it. TO be honest I am really bothered that my mother is > once again giving precidense to my brother and won't tell him to > come out after she is back in town.> > Thanks, (please forgive spelling errors)> > >

March 21, 2010

, dealing with family on the issue

of vaccinations, is indeed, one best left alone. Winnie is right.

You won’t come out ahead on this subject, particularly because you

brother is a MD. It’s sad, unfortunate, and I feel miserably sorry

for his children.

But you have my complete sympathy with

regard to protecting the health of your newborn baby, and I don’t think

that you are being overly worried, you are conservatively cautious, and rightly

so. Babies are born vulnerable and are not instantly protected with a

robust immune systems at peak function. Immune systems are created over

time, and though you may be breastfeeding, it still is a progression, infant

immune systems take time to strengthen. It’s about finding the

right balance of staying home and going out, allowing visitors at the house and

when to politely decline those visitors, and you are the only person who can

determine what you feel most comfortable with.

Certainly, you are within your right to ask

visitors to adhere to your personal guidelines for exposure, and of course,

stay within your own comfort level.

Congratulations on your baby! June is

a beautiful month for birth!

Chris

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of heatherinat

Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010

7:30 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Need

advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.

I am seeking some advice on how to deal with a

situation with my family.

My Brother is an MD who is totally ignorant when it comes to Vaccinations,

Last Sept I found out I was preggo, my parents who were visiting my brother and

his family were suppose to fly out to see us around the time I found out I was

preggo, for some reason the day before they were suppose to fly to see us I had

this awful feeling, so I called them only to find out they were enroute with

all 3 kids to the Peditritions office. I politely said that while I respect

their right to Vaccinate if they could refrain from exposing my parents and the

kids to any live virus Vaccinations while out there I would be greatly

appreciative because I didn't want my parents to come out here and get us all

sick. My sister in law cused and screamed at me and hung up the phone, my

mother did nothing. A few hours later I get the call from my mom that they

spoke with the doctor and he assured them none of them were live virus vaccs, I

asked if they got the seasonal flu shot up the nose, and then basically said

the Doctor lied to you and you have all now been exposed to a live virus vacc.

At this point I had to break the good news to them that I was pregnant and

didn't want to be exposed so they needed to cancel their trip out here. My

Brilliant MD brother who everyone in the family worships told my parents I was

an idiot and I had no clue what I was talking about...

Long story short, a week later my sister in law came down with the flu and then

Pnomonia and so did both of my parents, my mother was even tested and surprise

surprise it was the same strain from the flu vacc. Please note at this point

they still don't believe they all got sick from the Vacc. The only one that has

half a clue is my mother.

At this point I have just asked my parents when they come visit us to visit us

first then go see my brother since he and his wife can't be trusted to be honest

about what they are exposing their kids to, not to mention that his kids are

sick all the time because their immune systems are so screwed up.

Sooooooooo fast forward to June when I am due, I asked my mother in Sept when

all this happened to come out June for the Birth of my child. Now they have all

known that I was due in June and now my brother and his wife decide to go visit

my parents 2 weeks before I am to give birth. So I told my mother, 5 weeks

after they leave she can come out so I don't get exposed to anything... I told

her the other option was to talk to my brother and ensure that his kids not be

exposed to anymore vacc's 3-4 weeks prior to the trip, my brother does not

respect me and will not be honest with my mother regarding any of this, my

mother knows this.

Now my mother thinks I am being irrational over this whole situation... When in

reality it is all being caused by my brother and the fact that he won't be

honest with my parents about what he is exposing them to.

Any thoughts or advise regarding this and how I should better handle it. TO be

honest I am really bothered that my mother is once again giving precidense to

my brother and won't tell him to come out after she is back in town.

Thanks, (please forgive spelling errors)

March 21, 2010

Get the merck manual and the manufacturers data sheets of the shots they got and show your mother, because it talks about shedding in those, and they are medical sources.From: heatherinat <heather@...>Subject: Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.Vaccinations Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 2:30

I am seeking some advice on how to deal with a situation with my family.

My Brother is an MD who is totally ignorant when it comes to Vaccinations,

Last Sept I found out I was preggo, my parents who were visiting my brother and his family were suppose to fly out to see us around the time I found out I was preggo, for some reason the day before they were suppose to fly to see us I had this awful feeling, so I called them only to find out they were enroute with all 3 kids to the Peditritions office. I politely said that while I respect their right to Vaccinate if they could refrain from exposing my parents and the kids to any live virus Vaccinations while out there I would be greatly appreciative because I didn't want my parents to come out here and get us all sick. My sister in law cused and screamed at me and hung up the phone, my mother did nothing. A few hours later I get the call from my mom that they spoke with the doctor and he assured them none of them were live virus vaccs, I asked if they got the seasonal flu shot up the nose, and then basically said the Doctor lied to you and you have all

now been exposed to a live virus vacc.

At this point I had to break the good news to them that I was pregnant and didn't want to be exposed so they needed to cancel their trip out here. My Brilliant MD brother who everyone in the family worships told my parents I was an idiot and I had no clue what I was talking about...

Long story short, a week later my sister in law came down with the flu and then Pnomonia and so did both of my parents, my mother was even tested and surprise surprise it was the same strain from the flu vacc. Please note at this point they still don't believe they all got sick from the Vacc. The only one that has half a clue is my mother.

At this point I have just asked my parents when they come visit us to visit us first then go see my brother since he and his wife can't be trusted to be honest about what they are exposing their kids to, not to mention that his kids are sick all the time because their immune systems are so screwed up.

Sooooooooo fast forward to June when I am due, I asked my mother in Sept when all this happened to come out June for the Birth of my child. Now they have all known that I was due in June and now my brother and his wife decide to go visit my parents 2 weeks before I am to give birth. So I told my mother, 5 weeks after they leave she can come out so I don't get exposed to anything... I told her the other option was to talk to my brother and ensure that his kids not be exposed to anymore vacc's 3-4 weeks prior to the trip, my brother does not respect me and will not be honest with my mother regarding any of this, my mother knows this.

Now my mother thinks I am being irrational over this whole situation... When in reality it is all being caused by my brother and the fact that he won't be honest with my parents about what he is exposing them to.

Any thoughts or advise regarding this and how I should better handle it. TO be honest I am really bothered that my mother is once again giving precidense to my brother and won't tell him to come out after she is back in town.

Thanks, (please forgive spelling errors)

March 21, 2010

,

This is just the beginning of you being the " lioness " that protects your baby at

the potential expense of everything else - including societal norms and even

previously valued relationships. I promise you that as soon as s/he is born, it

will be easier for you to deal with these conflicts, because you can look into

the eyes of your little one and know that s/he is trusting you. Worrying about

what people think becomes secondary, even important people.

After your baby is born, you will find yourself increasingly empowered to simply

lay down rules that you feel are appropriate, and stick by them. Who you think

of as your " immediate family " now, will become your " extended family " as soon as

your child is born. You will teach your extended family members how to treat you

as you take on this new role of mama to your baby. You don't have to convince

anyone else about your choices.

Also, if by any chance are concerned that any family member would feel so

strongly about whatever issue as to " report " you for any of your decisions, then

IMHO you need to cut them out of your life entirely before s/he is even born.

Feel empowered. Your strength as Mama will only increase from here on out!

>

> I am seeking some advice on how to deal with a situation with my family.

>

> My Brother is an MD who is totally ignorant when it comes to Vaccinations,

>

> Last Sept I found out I was preggo, my parents who were visiting my brother

and his family were suppose to fly out to see us around the time I found out I

was preggo, for some reason the day before they were suppose to fly to see us I

had this awful feeling, so I called them only to find out they were enroute with

all 3 kids to the Peditritions office. I politely said that while I respect

their right to Vaccinate if they could refrain from exposing my parents and the

kids to any live virus Vaccinations while out there I would be greatly

appreciative because I didn't want my parents to come out here and get us all

sick. My sister in law cused and screamed at me and hung up the phone, my

mother did nothing. A few hours later I get the call from my mom that they

spoke with the doctor and he assured them none of them were live virus vaccs, I

asked if they got the seasonal flu shot up the nose, and then basically said the

Doctor lied to you and you have all now been exposed to a live virus vacc.

>

> At this point I had to break the good news to them that I was pregnant and

didn't want to be exposed so they needed to cancel their trip out here. My

Brilliant MD brother who everyone in the family worships told my parents I was

an idiot and I had no clue what I was talking about...

>

> Long story short, a week later my sister in law came down with the flu and

then Pnomonia and so did both of my parents, my mother was even tested and

surprise surprise it was the same strain from the flu vacc. Please note at this

point they still don't believe they all got sick from the Vacc. The only one

that has half a clue is my mother.

>

> At this point I have just asked my parents when they come visit us to visit us

first then go see my brother since he and his wife can't be trusted to be honest

about what they are exposing their kids to, not to mention that his kids are

sick all the time because their immune systems are so screwed up.

>

> Sooooooooo fast forward to June when I am due, I asked my mother in Sept when

all this happened to come out June for the Birth of my child. Now they have all

known that I was due in June and now my brother and his wife decide to go visit

my parents 2 weeks before I am to give birth. So I told my mother, 5 weeks

after they leave she can come out so I don't get exposed to anything... I told

her the other option was to talk to my brother and ensure that his kids not be

exposed to anymore vacc's 3-4 weeks prior to the trip, my brother does not

respect me and will not be honest with my mother regarding any of this, my

mother knows this.

>

> Now my mother thinks I am being irrational over this whole situation... When

in reality it is all being caused by my brother and the fact that he won't be

honest with my parents about what he is exposing them to.

>

> Any thoughts or advise regarding this and how I should better handle it. TO

be honest I am really bothered that my mother is once again giving precidense to

my brother and won't tell him to come out after she is back in town.

>

> Thanks, (please forgive spelling errors)

>

March 21, 2010

, I'm w/ on this one...my kids are my number one priority and while I love my family..I can love them from a distance.I don't like that it has come to this for certain members of my family, but it is my responsibility to protect my kids from all KNOWN harm.Lioness, Mama Bear---pick which one you like best! :-)LoriFrom: laurenjeep

<laurenjeep@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 4:27:37 PMSubject: Re: Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.

,

This is just the beginning of you being the "lioness" that protects your baby at the potential expense of everything else - including societal norms and even previously valued relationships. I promise you that as soon as s/he is born, it will be easier for you to deal with these conflicts, because you can look into the eyes of your little one and know that s/he is trusting you. Worrying about what people think becomes secondary, even important people.

After your baby is born, you will find yourself increasingly empowered to simply lay down rules that you feel are appropriate, and stick by them. Who you think of as your "immediate family" now, will become your "extended family" as soon as your child is born. You will teach your extended family members how to treat you as you take on this new role of mama to your baby. You don't have to convince anyone else about your choices.

Also, if by any chance are concerned that any family member would feel so strongly about whatever issue as to "report" you for any of your decisions, then IMHO you need to cut them out of your life entirely before s/he is even born.

Feel empowered. Your strength as Mama will only increase from here on out!

>

> I am seeking some advice on how to deal with a situation with my family.

>

> My Brother is an MD who is totally ignorant when it comes to Vaccinations,

>

> Last Sept I found out I was preggo, my parents who were visiting my brother and his family were suppose to fly out to see us around the time I found out I was preggo, for some reason the day before they were suppose to fly to see us I had this awful feeling, so I called them only to find out they were enroute with all 3 kids to the Peditritions office. I politely said that while I respect their right to Vaccinate if they could refrain from exposing my parents and the kids to any live virus Vaccinations while out there I would be greatly appreciative because I didn't want my parents to come out here and get us all sick. My sister in law cused and screamed at me and hung up the phone, my mother did nothing. A few hours later I get the call from my mom that they spoke with the doctor and he assured them none of them were live virus vaccs, I asked if they got the seasonal flu shot up the nose, and then basically said the Doctor lied to you and you

have all now been exposed to a live virus vacc.

>

> At this point I had to break the good news to them that I was pregnant and didn't want to be exposed so they needed to cancel their trip out here. My Brilliant MD brother who everyone in the family worships told my parents I was an idiot and I had no clue what I was talking about...

>

> Long story short, a week later my sister in law came down with the flu and then Pnomonia and so did both of my parents, my mother was even tested and surprise surprise it was the same strain from the flu vacc. Please note at this point they still don't believe they all got sick from the Vacc. The only one that has half a clue is my mother.

>

> At this point I have just asked my parents when they come visit us to visit us first then go see my brother since he and his wife can't be trusted to be honest about what they are exposing their kids to, not to mention that his kids are sick all the time because their immune systems are so screwed up.

>

> Sooooooooo fast forward to June when I am due, I asked my mother in Sept when all this happened to come out June for the Birth of my child. Now they have all known that I was due in June and now my brother and his wife decide to go visit my parents 2 weeks before I am to give birth. So I told my mother, 5 weeks after they leave she can come out so I don't get exposed to anything... I told her the other option was to talk to my brother and ensure that his kids not be exposed to anymore vacc's 3-4 weeks prior to the trip, my brother does not respect me and will not be honest with my mother regarding any of this, my mother knows this.

>

> Now my mother thinks I am being irrational over this whole situation... When in reality it is all being caused by my brother and the fact that he won't be honest with my parents about what he is exposing them to.

>

> Any thoughts or advise regarding this and how I should better handle it. TO be honest I am really bothered that my mother is once again giving precidense to my brother and won't tell him to come out after she is back in town.

>

> Thanks, (please forgive spelling errors)

>

March 21, 2010

If they are liars, and your mom knows it, why are they the respected ones? Besides, graduating from college doesn't prove you're smart, even if you get straight A's. It just proves you're really good at following directions.

My boyfriend is a prime example : ) He'll do anything I ask him to but is nearly incapable of seeing that something needs to be done and deciding to do it. He is an A student and even he will say that he is book smart but not smart when it comes to other things.

Tory

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From: heatherinat <heather@...>Subject: Re: Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination issue.Vaccinations Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 12:10 AM

Thank you I appreciate it.You bring up some good points, my Mother did get sick for 6 weeks when she was exposed to the kids and right after they got the seasonal flu vac.I asked her to ask my brother what they were getting and when, he has no control over his wife who handles all of the doctors visits... The good thing is the kids are behind, but every chance she has to get them in their they play catch up and give them a while bunch of them. So the whole age thing unfortunately won't work. Yes I have tried to educate them as to how stupid playing catch is, but I am not the one with an MD therefore my opinion doesn't count.The big issue is honesty and my brother and his wife won't even be honest with my mother about this... It's all a big game to them...And my mother knows he won't tell her the truth or respect my request to hold off until after they have visited... While I am not hyper paranoid, I just know that

their kids are always sick (literally every week one of them has some problem or another) and every time my parents see them, they catch something from them, last go around it just happened to be from the Live virus vaccine.Thanks for the info I do appreciate it.>> U.S. vaccine schedule for children: http://www.cdc. gov/vaccines/ recs/schedules/ downloads/ child/2010/ 10_0-6yrs- schedule- pr.pdf> > Live virus vaccines: rotavirus, flu, MMR, chickenpox> > Can you figure out, based on your brother's children's

ages, when they would be likely to get live virus vaccines? I'm sure they get them within the recommended age ranges.> > Your mother is probably immune to MMR, chickenpox, and rotavirus, so the chances of your brother's kids infecting her are low, and even lower for her to infect you or your baby.> > The nasal spray flu vaccine is another story. Up to 2.4% of close contacts will catch the flu virus from someone vaccinated with the nasal spray. http://www.fda. gov/downloads/ BiologicsBloodVa ccines/Vaccines/ ApprovedProducts /UCM123743. pdf (pages 17 and 18) However, not everyone in those 2.4% will actually get sick from the flu virus they catch.>

March 22, 2010

That is so true, Tory. My first husband was the same way but he wouldn't admit

it.

Don't give up on your family , especially your doctor brother.

Kill him with kindness as you lovingly drop bits of information that will plant

seeds they all won't be able to deny, eventually.

Especially when another will come along & water those seeds.

My Dad gave me a real hard time until one of his old Marine buddies verified

what I'd been trying to tell him fruitlessly for years.

Marsha

> >

> > U.S. vaccine schedule for children: http://www.cdc. gov/vaccines/

recs/schedules/ downloads/ child/2010/ 10_0-6yrs- schedule- pr.pdf

> >

> > Live virus vaccines: rotavirus, flu, MMR, chickenpox

> >

> > Can you figure out, based on your brother's children's ages, when they would

be likely to get live virus vaccines? I'm sure they get them within the

recommended age ranges.

> >

> > Your mother is probably immune to MMR, chickenpox, and rotavirus, so the

chances of your brother's kids infecting her are low, and even lower for her to

infect you or your baby.

> >

> > The nasal spray flu vaccine is another story. Up to 2.4% of close contacts

will catch the flu virus from someone vaccinated with the nasal spray.

http://www.fda. gov/downloads/ BiologicsBloodVa ccines/Vaccines/

ApprovedProducts /UCM123743. pdf (pages 17 and 18) However, not everyone in

those 2.4% will actually get sick from the flu virus they catch.

> >

>

March 22, 2010

First thanks to everyone who responded I really appreciate the advice and

encoragement... This is my second child and my first is doing beyond great,

always healthy, great demeanor the whole kit can caboodle for an unvacced kid...

Tory you got my point it's the fact that they are liars, they manipulate and

play games with everyone, it's been this way since my sister in law first

entered my life, no joke she is completely pathalogical when it comes to lying,

my parents both know this...

Regarding vaccines...

My mother knows better and actually doesn't like vaccines, I have educated her,

she spends so much time with them out of guilt because she knows they are

damaged and getting messed up by my stupid sister in law who is a first class

idiot... Of course my brother doesn't make it any better cause as long as

something is recommended by a Doctor it must be good... This is what a 600 K

education from Dartmouth will get you. I get calls from my mother all the

time because their kids are always sick and suffering from vaccination side

effects, it's really sad and pathetic and while I feel for the kids, there is

nothing I can do about my brother and his refusal to do any research on this

issue. He really thinks it is all a big joke.

My issue is the fact that all I want to know what they are being given before

seeing my mother. The problem is they don't think it is a big deal so a, they

have no idea what they are giving their kids and b, if they did, they wouldn't

tell her, just to spite me.

While I am totally aware of the world and their exposures to other vaccines, I

am not so concerned cause a they won't be kissing and hugging my child. Like my

mother will my neices and nepher, which is how she got the Flu Phenomonia from

them last time.

With my last birth I was out of the Hospital in less then 24 hours, with this

one I have a great Midwife who has assured me, I won't have nurses hovering over

me like my last birth...

I am also not worried about every day exposure as I do belieave it is important

for the immune system. I would just like to try and give my infant a few weeks

of immune system building before exposing her to everything.

I hope this makes sense and again thank you to everyone...

> >

> > U.S. vaccine schedule for children: http://www.cdc. gov/vaccines/

recs/schedules/ downloads/ child/2010/ 10_0-6yrs- schedule- pr.pdf

> >

> > Live virus vaccines: rotavirus, flu, MMR, chickenpox

> >

> > Can you figure out, based on your brother's children's ages, when they would

be likely to get live virus vaccines? I'm sure they get them within the

recommended age ranges.

> >

> > Your mother is probably immune to MMR, chickenpox, and rotavirus, so the

chances of your brother's kids infecting her are low, and even lower for her to

infect you or your baby.

> >

> > The nasal spray flu vaccine is another story. Up to 2.4% of close contacts

will catch the flu virus from someone vaccinated with the nasal spray.

http://www.fda. gov/downloads/ BiologicsBloodVa ccines/Vaccines/

ApprovedProducts /UCM123743. pdf (pages 17 and 18) However, not everyone in

those 2.4% will actually get sick from the flu virus they catch.

> >

>

March 22, 2010

Yes I tried that for the last 7 years and after having it continually thrown

back in my face, regarding my brother and his wife, I am done with them...

The only wake up they will have is when one of their kids is destroyed...

It's really sad but I have done what I could do.

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> That is so true, Tory. My first husband was the same way but he wouldn't admit

it.

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> Don't give up on your family , especially your doctor brother.

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> Kill him with kindness as you lovingly drop bits of information that will

plant seeds they all won't be able to deny, eventually.

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> Especially when another will come along & water those seeds.

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> My Dad gave me a real hard time until one of his old Marine buddies verified

what I'd been trying to tell him fruitlessly for years.

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> Marsha

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March 22, 2010

Ironic thing is I am not freaked out by germs, I would just rather not

intentionally expose a new born to anything that she doesn't need to be exposed

to at least for a couple of weeks...

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks I appreciate the advice...

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> Unless you never leave your home or have others over, you are around freshly

vaccinated people and/or sick people all the time. If it worries you that much,

then just don't have visitors at all for awhile.

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> When my kids were born, my sister-in-law would always show up at the hospital

from hours away with her forever snotty-nosed, coughing son. Drove me nuts, so I

do sympathize. You're not going to win on the vaccine issue with your family,

but they might understand if you're paranoid about germs in general.

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> Winnie

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March 22, 2010

Thanks my mother understands it all too well, that is how she got the fly and

Pnemonia last sept when they had their kids vaccinated with the live virus flu

vaccine right before they were suppose to come see me.

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> From: heatherinat <heather@...>

> Subject: Need advice how how to deal with family on Vaccination

issue.

> Vaccinations

> Date: Sunday, 21 March, 2010, 2:30

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