PBS

[Guest guest]

Excellent reply Matt

Take care

steve kinne

PBS

Doctors,

If you want to rant. Why not leave PBS a "nice" message like I just did. It didn't change anything, but I feel a whole lot better!! Just follow the link.

"I am appalled by your segment on Chiropractic. Where did you guys get your information? Did you just make it up? Have you even checked the latest literature or research? Did you even bother to talk to a Chiropractic researcher? Not only are your statements about Chiropractic inaccurate, but you have shown your ignorance as well. If Chiropractic did not get results why are millions of dollars spent out of patient's OWN POCKETS each year? Do you think we could actually fool that many people and convince them to part with thier money? Of course not. A "closed loop"...please. Like it or not, Chiropractic results speak for themselves. And incidentally your stroke incident number is WAY OFF!!! Why don't you ask your MD expert how many people are killed by drugs, surgery, and mis-diagnoses each year. Alan Alda, I thought you were smarter than that (check your resources first)."

Terreri, DC

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[Guest guest]

I myself have seen such pieces, in combination with certain instances hurt chiropractic - regardless of what is Abe is purported to have said. I can remember when the stroke issue first seemed to surface to the mainstream media in the mid 90's. Concurrently a chiropractor in Aurora Missouri (near where I practiced at the time) paralyzed a young woman with Rheumatoid arthritis. She had degeneration of the atlantoaxial ligament - her MD okayed chiro treatment as long as it involved no cervical manipulation. The DC talked her into it and quadraplegia was the result. at the same time a DC in Monett Missouri paralyzed a young fireman.

This is how I found out about THAT incident : I was asked to speak on a local radio talk show. Right before air time the host asks if I am willing to talk about the safety of chiropractic to which I responded "certainly". As the show starts the host says "Dr. Anglen, my son recently was paralyzed by a chiropractor who did what was called a 'knee/neck' manuever in which he put his knee on the back of his neck as he lay face down, wrapped his fingers around his forehead and then pulled arching his neck backward until it popped. Carl Cleveland from KC testified at the trial and said the only place he saw such a manuever was in the Marines. Care to comment on that?" Let me tell you the minutes passed s-l-o-w-l-y on that interview.

I had ALOT of patients for the next couple of years refuse cervical adjustments, pull themselves from care, remove family members from care etc.

About the same time a 'scientific' study was done proving vitamin E caused lung cancer. Later it was refuted because it turns out they picked a group of Scandinavian men who lived in a rare area in which the soil and food was completely depleted of selenium, who had been asbestos workers and who smoked a minimum of a pack and a half a day as well as giving them a very minimal dose of weak vitamin E (50 IU per day of tocopheryl acetate). But I had people who saw the piece run on THE TODAY SHOW and refuse mention of vitamins.

Such pieces do have an effect. Abe may have felt the bad things said about him had no effect on the American people, but he did get shot in the head when all was said and done.

Anglen Arizona DC

[Guest guest]

Well said Steve, may I forward you message to the ACA House of Delegates

list serve?

Vern Saboe, DC

PBS

> Hello one and all,

>

> I have written before to the list stating that for all the years I have

been

> in practice I have never seen this type of attack hurt, as a matter of

fact

> I have always increased in business. Well the last 2-3 days have been

seen

> increased numbers of new patients vs. the last 4-5 months. Here in

> Tillamook we have been hit hard by the economy turndown and we are always

> very slow to recover. I saw 9-10 new patients in the last 3 days. I have

> had only one patient mention the program. She is a long term chiropractic

> patient (20 years+) and she said worse things about it the I have seen on

> this list " @#@** " . As a matter of fact her last words on the subject were

> " well here I am for a treatment " .

>

> I am not saying that I for one would like to see the show run over again,

> but I have never seen negative advertising like this hurt my practice. I

> don't really understand why because I would think it would scare the crap

> out of people who have never been before (a picture is worth a 1,000

words)

> but for some strange reason my office is always a little more busy. As I

> said in the past the only advertising that ever hurt my practice was the

> w/comp news 12-13 years ago. I had 15-20 patients over the next 2-3 days

> make comments or ask questions and many of them were very pointed. Not

one

> of them was about chiropractic or treatment but instead was about money.

I

> even had one who wanted a complete account printout. Of course there were

> no problems and it soon died down but I learned one very interesting

thing

> and I believe put it very well. They don't seem to believe the

> negative crap they keep trying to throw at us about our treatments most

> likely because we have so many successes that those patients are telling

so

> many positive things about us (hey basically our patients LOVE us because

it

> works and we care). However (and I prob. shouldn't put this on the list

> because just like the Medicare issue there maybe some spy listening) if

they

> ever really wanted to do damage our patients seems to listen more when

they

> are told we are stealing money from them. Old chinese proverb " money

talks

> bullcrap walks " .

>

> I also believe that hit it right on the nail with his quote from old

> ABE---Not many people in today's society watch the show on PBS if they

watch

> PBS at all. So just keep giving great service and show your patients that

> you really care about them and this kind of mud will never stick and let's

> throw our support to our organizations and let them respond to this show.

>

> Take care one and all,

>

> Steve Kinne

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Steve;

The few patients that mentioned the P...BS special this week told me they

really thought it was a con job. One of those was a woman in her 70's who

does volunteer work at the hospital and is quite medically oriented. I

guess the message is that if you are going to try to bullshit the public

you should have a little respect for their common sense and be a little

subtle and careful in crafting lies. P....BS was so over the top with that

piece Hackeye Pierce did that they didn't fool anyone - just made them

wonder why that wonderful Mr. Alda would take money to say such awful things.

Les

[Guest guest]

Ang320,

Now THAT'S what I call bad press.

scott s.

Re: PBS

I myself have seen such pieces, in combination with certain instances hurt chiropractic - regardless of what is Abe is purported to have said. I can remember when the stroke issue first seemed to surface to the mainstream media in the mid 90's. Concurrently a chiropractor in Aurora Missouri (near where I practiced at the time) paralyzed a young woman with Rheumatoid arthritis. She had degeneration of the atlantoaxial ligament - her MD okayed chiro treatment as long as it involved no cervical manipulation. The DC talked her into it and quadraplegia was the result. at the same time a DC in Monett Missouri paralyzed a young fireman. This is how I found out about THAT incident : I was asked to speak on a local radio talk show. Right before air time the host asks if I am willing to talk about the safety of chiropractic to which I responded "certainly". As the show starts the host says "Dr. Anglen, my son recently was paralyzed by a chiropractor who did what was called a 'knee/neck' manuever in which he put his knee on the back of his neck as he lay face down, wrapped his fingers around his forehead and then pulled arching his neck backward until it popped. Carl Cleveland from KC testified at the trial and said the only place he saw such a manuever was in the Marines. Care to comment on that?" Let me tell you the minutes passed s-l-o-w-l-y on that interview. I had ALOT of patients for the next couple of years refuse cervical adjustments, pull themselves from care, remove family members from care etc. About the same time a 'scientific' study was done proving vitamin E caused lung cancer. Later it was refuted because it turns out they picked a group of Scandinavian men who lived in a rare area in which the soil and food was completely depleted of selenium, who had been asbestos workers and who smoked a minimum of a pack and a half a day as well as giving them a very minimal dose of weak vitamin E (50 IU per day of tocopheryl acetate). But I had people who saw the piece run on THE TODAY SHOW and refuse mention of vitamins. Such pieces do have an effect. Abe may have felt the bad things said about him had no effect on the American people, but he did get shot in the head when all was said and done. Anglen Arizona DC OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

,

I didn't say that Abe or I didn't think that damage was done by the article.

The lesson is that you can do more to counter the damage by doing what you

do best (successfully treat patients and the patients they refer) and I

might add, support the initiative.

> From: ang320@...

> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:18:44 EDT

>

> Subject: Re: PBS

>

> I myself have seen such pieces, in combination with certain instances hurt

> chiropractic - regardless of what is Abe is purported to have said. I can

> remember when the stroke issue first seemed to surface to the mainstream

> media in the mid 90's. Concurrently a chiropractor in Aurora Missouri (near

> where I practiced at the time) paralyzed a young woman with Rheumatoid

> arthritis. She had degeneration of the atlantoaxial ligament - her MD okayed

> chiro treatment as long as it involved no cervical manipulation. The DC

> talked her into it and quadraplegia was the result. at the same time a DC in

> Monett Missouri paralyzed a young fireman.

>

> This is how I found out about THAT incident : I was asked to speak on a local

> radio talk show. Right before air time the host asks if I am willing to talk

> about the safety of chiropractic to which I responded " certainly " . As the

> show starts the host says " Dr. Anglen, my son recently was paralyzed by a

> chiropractor who did what was called a 'knee/neck' manuever in which he put

> his knee on the back of his neck as he lay face down, wrapped his fingers

> around his forehead and then pulled arching his neck backward until it

> popped. Carl Cleveland from KC testified at the trial and said the only place

> he saw such a manuever was in the Marines. Care to comment on that? " Let me

> tell you the minutes passed s-l-o-w-l-y on that interview.

>

> I had ALOT of patients for the next couple of years refuse cervical

> adjustments, pull themselves from care, remove family members from care etc.

>

> About the same time a 'scientific' study was done proving vitamin E caused

> lung cancer. Later it was refuted because it turns out they picked a group of

> Scandinavian men who lived in a rare area in which the soil and food was

> completely depleted of selenium, who had been asbestos workers and who smoked

> a minimum of a pack and a half a day as well as giving them a very minimal

> dose of weak vitamin E (50 IU per day of tocopheryl acetate). But I had

> people who saw the piece run on THE TODAY SHOW and refuse mention of vitamins.

>

> Such pieces do have an effect. Abe may have felt the bad things said about

> him had no effect on the American people, but he did get shot in the head

> when all was said and done.

>

> Anglen Arizona DC

>

[Guest guest]

Steve, RE:

> Well the last 2-3 days have been seen

> increased numbers of new patients vs. the last 4-5 months.

We're all moving to Tillamook!

In fact, I'm looking for office space right next to your clinic!

I'm offering new patients FREE x-rays, FREE first exams, FREE first 6

treatments, FREE meals at Bertha's Breakfast Nook, and FREE deductibles.

HAHAHA!

--

Dr. Abrahamson

> From: " Steve " <dcfs@...>

> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 06:54:47 -0700

> < >

> Subject: PBS

>

> Hello one and all,

>

> I have written before to the list stating that for all the years I have been

> in practice I have never seen this type of attack hurt, as a matter of fact

> I have always increased in business. Well the last 2-3 days have been seen

> increased numbers of new patients vs. the last 4-5 months. Here in

> Tillamook we have been hit hard by the economy turndown and we are always

> very slow to recover. I saw 9-10 new patients in the last 3 days. I have

> had only one patient mention the program. She is a long term chiropractic

> patient (20 years+) and she said worse things about it the I have seen on

> this list " @#@** " . As a matter of fact her last words on the subject were

> " well here I am for a treatment " .

>

> I am not saying that I for one would like to see the show run over again,

> but I have never seen negative advertising like this hurt my practice. I

> don't really understand why because I would think it would scare the crap

> out of people who have never been before (a picture is worth a 1,000 words)

> but for some strange reason my office is always a little more busy. As I

> said in the past the only advertising that ever hurt my practice was the

> w/comp news 12-13 years ago. I had 15-20 patients over the next 2-3 days

> make comments or ask questions and many of them were very pointed. Not one

> of them was about chiropractic or treatment but instead was about money. I

> even had one who wanted a complete account printout. Of course there were

> no problems and it soon died down but I learned one very interesting thing

> and I believe put it very well. They don't seem to believe the

> negative crap they keep trying to throw at us about our treatments most

> likely because we have so many successes that those patients are telling so

> many positive things about us (hey basically our patients LOVE us because it

> works and we care). However (and I prob. shouldn't put this on the list

> because just like the Medicare issue there maybe some spy listening) if they

> ever really wanted to do damage our patients seems to listen more when they

> are told we are stealing money from them. Old chinese proverb " money talks

> bullcrap walks " .

>

> I also believe that hit it right on the nail with his quote from old

> ABE---Not many people in today's society watch the show on PBS if they watch

> PBS at all. So just keep giving great service and show your patients that

> you really care about them and this kind of mud will never stick and let's

> throw our support to our organizations and let them respond to this show.

>

> Take care one and all,

>

> Steve Kinne

>

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will

> be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her

> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok so now PBS is pushing vaccines with their promo messages!! My daughter

comes running to me and says " Mom, they said that the best way to stay

healthy is to get vaccinated, they're wrong! " Exactly!! UG! I do like PBS

but again, they're sponsors are Chuck E Cheese and McD also!

[Guest guest]

My kindergarten son and I watch Sid every morning before school, I was shocked,

half expected the kids to drop to the floor convulsing after the shots given by

grandma! haha. At his school here in Pasco it's " Just Say NO to Drugs " week AND

started H1N1 shots this week.

Ironic, isn't it?

>

> I know sid the science kid was airing a piece on vaccines today. I taped

> it....so glad your daughter was aware and said they are bad!

>

> Holly

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/26/2009 8:42:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> kristi3003@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Ok so now PBS is pushing vaccines with their promo messages!! My daughter

> comes running to me and says " Mom, they said that the best way to stay

> healthy is to get vaccinated, they're wrong! " Exactly!! UG! I do like PBS

> but again, they're sponsors are Chuck E Cheese and McD also!

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/2009 4:40:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jralph91@... writes:

I did get on the website so I could write a message to the creators but was unable to locate contact info.

I couldn't find anything either.... doesn't watch much tv, so I DVRed it so I could watch it. I would have been furious if she had watched this.

Holly

[Guest guest]

I did not know that Sid was going to be talking about this and my son was watching it while I was doing stuff around the house. He comes running to me and saying Sid got a vaccination to stay healthy and why has he not had a shot. He told us all about why is was important to get vaccinated. Just goes to show you how easy it is to brainwash a child. I was shocked that they would have such a topic! What's next evolution???I did get on the website so I could write a message to the creators but was unable to locate contact info. I am also very disgusted with this brainwashing. Jill From: jennameez

<thompson@...>Subject: Re: PBSVaccinations Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:19 PM

We started watching the show before we knew what it was going to be about. Seems they are trying to get kids to think that if their parents really love them they will have them vaccinated. We turned it off right away because I dont want my kids heads filled with lies.

, SD

>

> I know sid the science kid was airing a piece on vaccines today. I taped

> it....so glad your daughter was aware and said they are bad!

>

> Holly

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/26/2009 8:42:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> kristi3003@. .. writes:

>

>

>

>

> Ok so now PBS is pushing vaccines with their promo messages!! My daughter

> comes running to me and says "Mom, they said that the best way to stay

> healthy is to get vaccinated, they're wrong!" Exactly!! UG! I do like PBS

> but again, they're sponsors are Chuck E Cheese and McD also!

>

[Guest guest]

SO, SO Glad we no longer watch TV!!!Can't remember who said it but, if you stare at the monster long enough, you become the monster!Toni Mom to Cyrus, Darius, Remi Rose & WillowSent from my iPhoneNmidaughterseyes@...On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Jill Ralph <jralph91@...> wrote:

I did not know that Sid was going to be talking about this and my son was watching it while I was doing stuff around the house. He comes running to me and saying Sid got a vaccination to stay healthy and why has he not had a shot. He told us all about why is was important to get vaccinated. Just goes to show you how easy it is to brainwash a child. I was shocked that they would have such a topic! What's next evolution???I did get on the website so I could write a message to the creators but was unable to locate contact info. I am also very disgusted with this brainwashing. Jill From: jennameez

<thompsonbjbus (DOT) net>Subject: Re: PBSVaccinations Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:19 PM

We started watching the show before we knew what it was going to be about. Seems they are trying to get kids to think that if their parents really love them they will have them vaccinated. We turned it off right away because I dont want my kids heads filled with lies.

, SD

>

> I know sid the science kid was airing a piece on vaccines today. I taped

> it....so glad your daughter was aware and said they are bad!

>

> Holly

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/26/2009 8:42:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> kristi3003@. .. writes:

>

>

>

>

> Ok so now PBS is pushing vaccines with their promo messages!! My daughter

> comes running to me and says "Mom, they said that the best way to stay

> healthy is to get vaccinated, they're wrong!" Exactly!! UG! I do like PBS

> but again, they're sponsors are Chuck E Cheese and McD also!

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I don't know. They're going to hear things you disagree with soon enough. It might as well be with you right there so you can gasp loudly and say "Oh, no! I hope Sid's okay! Don't his parents know that the shot can make him sick? I would never do that to you. We don't vaccinate our family. It's too bad others do these things that WE know are bad."

Winnie Re: Re: PBSVaccinations > > In a message dated 11/12/2009 4:40:35 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > jralph91@... writes:> > I did get on the website so I could write a message to the > creators but > was unable to locate contact info.> > > I couldn't find anything either.... doesn't watch much tv, > so I DVRed > it so I could watch it. I would have been furious if she had > watched this.> > Holly>

[Guest guest]

AND hopefully enough of these situations occur so you can have the experience I did today with my 10 year old. He came home from school complaining how a girl in his class is so scared of the swine flu it's ridiculous and even the head of school is really weird about it because he overheard her talking about catching germs in school. He shook his head in disgust, then asked me if I was an official homepathic doctor. I said no. So, he said Oh, but you're a vaccine expert, right? and I said Yes. He nodded in approval and that was that. They learn from hearing both sides, too.

Winnie Re: Re: PBS> Vaccinations > > > > > In a message dated 11/12/2009 4:40:35 P.M. Eastern Standard > > Time, > > jralph91@... writes:> > > > I did get on the website so I could write a message to the > > creators but > > was unable to locate contact info.> > > > > > I couldn't find anything either.... doesn't watch much > tv, > > so I DVRed > > it so I could watch it. I would have been furious if she had > > watched this.> > > > Holly> > >

[Guest guest]

I found info. Sent info to the list for replies and feedback.

I got a generic response back saying it was showing the science

behind the vaccines and that every parent had to OK the vaccines and this can

give discussion on vaccines and if you support /oppose.

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