Re: Why paediatricians?

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I'm in the US and I use a GP, always have... even my mother used GP's.

Using ped's, I think, is relatively new.  It's not mandatory to use a

ped, but for some reason, parents are highly encouraged to use them.

I know in the hosptial when I'm asked who my child's " primary ped " is,

I always say, " Our's, and his, primary care doc is a GP and his name

is ___ "   I get funny looks sometimes, like I'm crazy for not using a

ped.  I don't really understand it either.

I CAN tell you peds are so high-pressure it's not even funny.  Maybe

it's been cultured by the AAP - and I believe it's all about vaccine

compliance.  My GP is very laid back about the whole thing - but he's

also not American, he was born in the Phllipenes.  That in itself give

a much different perspective of things.

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Sue <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Can someone answer a question for me?  Bear in mind I am English, and have

spent my whole life going to a General Practitioner if and when needed.

>

> Why do Americans use paediatricians?  In the UK a child would only see a

paediatrician in exceptional circumstances where specialist help was required. 

Is it mandatory to start a child's life with a paediatrician or is it a matter

of choice?  Seems to me that they are held in some sort of awe in the US, never

to be disobeyed - which can't possibly be good for their egos.

>

> Just curious...

[Guest guest]

AHA! What a great tip, the light bulb went off reading these comments about why go to the ped vs. the family doc! I never thought of going to the family doc instead...of course they would be under less pressure and continual indoctrination over the childhood vaccines. Actually ,I am now training my college age kids about vaccines and will add this tip to the list. They already know to move to a state where some kind of exemption exists. I pray by their time of being parents, that some states will still have them!

[Guest guest]

I haven’t gotten the funny looks because I haven’t

been asked, but we don’t even have a doctor… We moved where

we are at 2 years ago and I never even bothered and my son was just born…

Imagine that he survived 2 years without vaccines. He didn’t die of

some horrible disease. Healthy as a horse too. Anyhow,

pediatricians were the norm for my time, of course it was to make sure your

child had their shots. I guess pediatricians are used because they

specialize in children. I often wonder if it is because certain doctors

just don’t want to deal with children that is why they separated their

practice.

Who knows…

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Subject: Re: Why paediatricians?

Sue,

I'm in the US and I use a GP, always have... even my mother used GP's.

Using ped's, I think, is relatively new. It's not mandatory to use a

ped, but for some reason, parents are highly encouraged to use them.

I know in the hosptial when I'm asked who my child's " primary ped "

is,

I always say, " Our's, and his, primary care doc is a GP and his name

is ___ " I get funny looks sometimes, like I'm crazy for not using a

ped. I don't really understand it either.

I CAN tell you peds are so high-pressure it's not even funny. Maybe

it's been cultured by the AAP - and I believe it's all about vaccine

compliance. My GP is very laid back about the whole thing - but he's

also not American, he was born in the Phllipenes. That in itself give

a much different perspective of things.

[Guest guest]

It is interesting Sue. I’m in

the US,

but have never had a Pediatrician. We’ve always used a Family

practitioner, and never considered using a Pediatrician; but it wasn’t

really a conscious decision not to, it just never occurred to us that we needed

to because our Family practitioner takes care of our needs, whatever they might

be.

Oddly enough, ALL of my friends take their

children to a Pediatrician and ALL of my friends vaccinate their

children. Our Family practitioner doesn’t bat an eye with our

decision not to vaccinate. In fact, he hasn’t even brought it up

since our oldest was born (we now have three children). While pregnant

with our youngest, I told him that I wasn’t even going to be giving her

the Vitamin K shot, and he said to me “I’m comfortable with that, I

trust your decision”.

…the husband of a close friend of

mine is a Pediatrician in our community, and yes, he is ALL ego…

Chris

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Sue <mum2mishkabigpond>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Can someone answer a question for me? Bear in mind I am English, and

have spent my whole life going to a General Practitioner if and when needed.

>

> Why do Americans use paediatricians? In the UK a child

would only see a paediatrician in exceptional circumstances where specialist

help was required. Is it mandatory to start a child's life with a

paediatrician or is it a matter of choice? Seems to me that they are held

in some sort of awe in the US,

never to be disobeyed - which can't possibly be good for their egos.

>

> Just curious...

[Guest guest]

I agree with you. Ever since my children were born the pediatricians were the only doctors who we were told our children needed to be seen by. That's been it. Thank Goodness we have choices and have been educating ourselves on what they are!

le

Vaccinations From: mum2mishka@...Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:40:15 +0800Subject: Why paediatricians?

Can someone answer a question for me? Bear in mind I am English, and have spent my whole life going to a General Practitioner if and when needed. Why do Americans use paediatricians? In the UK a child would only see a paediatrician in exceptional circumstances where specialist help was required. Is it mandatory to start a child's life with a paediatrician or is it a matter of choice? Seems to me that they are held in some sort of awe in the US, never to be disobeyed - which can't possibly be good for their egos.

Just curious...

Sue

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[Guest guest]

I think most people use a pediatrician because everyone else says it is the way it should be, without question. I am seeing this change a bit though over time.

[Guest guest]

One day was cooking a roast and she cut the end off. Her husband ask why did you cut the end off? replied that's what mom used to do.

Tom called her Mom and said cut off the end of the roast and when I asked her why, she said because you do it. So why do you do it? Mom said because my Mom did it.

So Tom called Grandma and said cuts off the end of the roast because her Mom did it and her Mom says she does it because you did it. Why did you do it?

Grama says-----because my pan was to small.

From: wings <wingsout@...>Vaccinations Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:25:17 AMSubject: Re: Why paediatricians?

I think most people use a pediatrician because everyone else says it is the way it should be, without question. I am seeing this change a bit though over time.

[Guest guest]

I think it is a requirement for a ped to have a large ego...

I was at a birthday party for the neighbor kids when my youngest son

was just born - I think he was about two weeks old at the time. My

neighbor introduced me to a man standing next to her, " This is my

neighbor, ... and this is . was born at home two

weeks ago - right across the street from me! " The lady standing next

to the man snickered and took a couple of steps back, like she knew

something was about to be said.... the man looked at me and said in a

very serious tone, " The only things that should be delivered at home

are newspapers and pizza. " The lady started giggling... later I found

out that was his wife. Not to be disuaded, I smiled sarcastically at

him and said, " Let me guess, you're a pediatrician! " He said " Yep,

that's exactly right. " So I said to him, " Oh, well you don't need to

worry, because my baby wasn't DELIVERED anywhere... he was BIRTHED at

home in a pool of warm water in my living room. " I went on to say,

" And that's probably the least of the beef you'd have with me if I

were to choose you for my child's doctor - which I don't think is

going to be an issue. " He asked me why and I stated, " Do you see that

very healthy, vibrant two-year-old running all over the place? "

(pointing to my son). He nodded and said, something like, " Yes, that

child looks very healthy and happy " . I said " Well, he's also my son,

born at home, and he's never been vaccinated - and neither has ,

and neither of them ever will. " He had something snide to say about

that, I can't remember what now, but my response was, " If you'd like

to debate that with me, I'd be happy to. Pick a vaccine, one vaccine

of your choice, and we'll debate it. " He didn't say anything so I

went on to try to coerce him into a debate. I said, " Let's make it

easier on you.... which vaccine have you read the entire package

insert for lately? " He didn't say anything. So I responded to the

silence by saying, " Well, if you haven't even read a package insert

then the debate would be quite unfair, because I have done a lot of

research above and beyond the package insert for every vaccine

currently on the childhood schedule. Maybe it's best that we agree to

disagree? " He gave me a look like I had three heads and moved across

the room from me... for the rest of the party I noticed that where

ever I was, he was on the other side of the room. LOL My neighbor

told me that when she invites them to parties at her place he always

asks if I'm going to be there... if the answer is yes, he always finds

an excuse for why he can't attend with his son.

Talk about taking a pin to his inflated ego! His wife, incidentally,

quit giggling and acting all holier than thou, and is civil to me when

we are at parties together. Several other parents at that party

approached me asking how I planned to get my kids into school if they

weren't vaccinated, so I had the opportunity to educate them on

exemptions... NONE of them knew their rights on exemptions and they

were completely surprised there was an option. I know two of the

ladies quit vaccinating after that, because I still see them every

once in awhile.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Valpiani <Valpiani@...> wrote:

>

>

> …the husband of a close friend of mine is a Pediatrician in our community, and

yes, he is ALL ego…

[Guest guest]

Wow! That's a great story. I'm keeping this one.

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Re: Why paediatricians?

I think it is a requirement for a ped to have a large ego...

I was at a birthday party for the neighbor kids when my youngest son

was just born - I think he was about two weeks old at the time. My

neighbor introduced me to a man standing next to her, " This is my

neighbor, ... and this is . was born at home two

weeks ago - right across the street from me! " The lady standing next

to the man snickered and took a couple of steps back, like she knew

something was about to be said.... the man looked at me and said in a

very serious tone, " The only things that should be delivered at home

are newspapers and pizza. " The lady started giggling... later I found

out that was his wife. Not to be disuaded, I smiled sarcastically at

him and said, " Let me guess, you're a pediatrician! " He said " Yep,

that's exactly right. " So I said to him, " Oh, well you don't need to

worry, because my baby wasn't DELIVERED anywhere... he was BIRTHED at

home in a pool of warm water in my living room. " I went on to say,

" And that's probably the least of the beef you'd have with me if I

were to choose you for my child's doctor - which I don't think is

going to be an issue. " He asked me why and I stated, " Do you see that

very healthy, vibrant two-year-old running all over the place? "

(pointing to my son). He nodded and said, something like, " Yes, that

child looks very healthy and happy " . I said " Well, he's also my son,

born at home, and he's never been vaccinated - and neither has ,

and neither of them ever will. " He had something snide to say about

that, I can't remember what now, but my response was, " If you'd like

to debate that with me, I'd be happy to. Pick a vaccine, one vaccine

of your choice, and we'll debate it. " He didn't say anything so I

went on to try to coerce him into a debate. I said, " Let's make it

easier on you.... which vaccine have you read the entire package

insert for lately? " He didn't say anything. So I responded to the

silence by saying, " Well, if you haven't even read a package insert

then the debate would be quite unfair, because I have done a lot of

research above and beyond the package insert for every vaccine

currently on the childhood schedule. Maybe it's best that we agree to

disagree? " He gave me a look like I had three heads and moved across

the room from me... for the rest of the party I noticed that where

ever I was, he was on the other side of the room. LOL My neighbor

told me that when she invites them to parties at her place he always

asks if I'm going to be there... if the answer is yes, he always finds

an excuse for why he can't attend with his son.

Talk about taking a pin to his inflated ego! His wife, incidentally,

quit giggling and acting all holier than thou, and is civil to me when

we are at parties together. Several other parents at that party

approached me asking how I planned to get my kids into school if they

weren't vaccinated, so I had the opportunity to educate them on

exemptions... NONE of them knew their rights on exemptions and they

were completely surprised there was an option. I know two of the

ladies quit vaccinating after that, because I still see them every

once in awhile.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Valpiani <Valpiani@...> wrote:

>

>

> …the husband of a close friend of mine is a Pediatrician in our community,

and yes, he is ALL ego…

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I feel they should only be used in special circomstances too. People choose

them I think because they want the best for their child and feel a specialist is

just that, but you are right about the peds getting big egos and this sort of " I

know what is best and you don't " attitude is what causes a lot of issues for

parents. We choose a GP too if and when the rare occasion comes that we need to

go in.

~

>

> Can someone answer a question for me? Bear in mind I am English, and have

> spent my whole life going to a General Practitioner if and when needed.

>

> Why do Americans use paediatricians? In the UK a child would only see a

> paediatrician in exceptional circumstances where specialist help was

> required. Is it mandatory to start a child's life with a paediatrician or

> is it a matter of choice? Seems to me that they are held in some sort of

> awe in the US, never to be disobeyed - which can't possibly be good for

> their egos.

>

> Just curious...

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Oh man.. some people just have all the fun@!!  I’m so with all that

conversation!! I love you already!

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12,

10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

I think it is a requirement for a ped to have a large ego...

I was at a birthday party for the neighbor kids when my youngest son

was just born -

[Guest guest]

I know for sure that in Germany babies are taken to peds too these days. When I

was a child, I only saw the ped for " serious " things, aka when I had mumps. And

he didn't do anything about it but saying you gotta get through it, it's just

mumps! Good old days..

For the US: we don't have a choice in our situation. We are military and our

child is only allowed to seen on base with their HMO which is for free. Children

under 3 have to see the ped. We cannot elect to see a family doc (and in the

military there isn't really a difference anyways, they are all pro-vaccine,

pro-circumcision, pro-cry-it-out and pro-formula and anti-breastfeeding). So I

guess some people's insurance doesn't leave them many options.

>

> AHA! What a great tip, the light bulb went off reading these comments about

> why go to the ped vs. the family doc! I never thought of going to the

> family doc instead...of course they would be under less pressure and

continual

> indoctrination over the childhood vaccines. Actually ,I am now training my

> college age kids about vaccines and will add this tip to the list. They

> already know to move to a state where some kind of exemption exists. I pray

> by their time of being parents, that some states will still have them!

>

[Guest guest]

Bravo ! My stones aren't quite as large as yours, but I'm getting there

> Vaccinations > From: trinnea@...> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:40:30 -0600> Subject: Re: Why paediatricians?> > I think it is a requirement for a ped to have a large ego...> > I was at a birthday party for the neighbor kids when my youngest son> was just born - I think he was about two weeks old at the time. My> neighbor introduced me to a man standing next to her, "This is my> neighbor, ... and this is . was born at home two> weeks ago - right across the street from me!" The lady standing next> to the man snickered and took a couple of steps back, like she knew> something was about to be said.... the man looked at me and said in a> very serious tone, "The only things that should be delivered at home> are newspapers and pizza." The lady started giggling... later I found> out that was his wife. Not to be disuaded, I smiled sarcastically at> him and said, "Let me guess, you're a pediatrician!" He said "Yep,> that's exactly right." So I said to him, "Oh, well you don't need to> worry, because my baby wasn't DELIVERED anywhere... he was BIRTHED at> home in a pool of warm water in my living room." I went on to say,> "And that's probably the least of the beef you'd have with me if I> were to choose you for my child's doctor - which I don't think is> going to be an issue." He asked me why and I stated, "Do you see that> very healthy, vibrant two-year-old running all over the place?"> (pointing to my son). He nodded and said, something like, "Yes, that> child looks very healthy and happy". I said "Well, he's also my son,> born at home, and he's never been vaccinated - and neither has ,> and neither of them ever will." He had something snide to say about> that, I can't remember what now, but my response was, "If you'd like> to debate that with me, I'd be happy to. Pick a vaccine, one vaccine> of your choice, and we'll debate it." He didn't say anything so I> went on to try to coerce him into a debate. I said, "Let's make it> easier on you.... which vaccine have you read the entire package> insert for lately?" He didn't say anything. So I responded to the> silence by saying, "Well, if you haven't even read a package insert> then the debate would be quite unfair, because I have done a lot of> research above and beyond the package insert for every vaccine> currently on the childhood schedule. Maybe it's best that we agree to> disagree?" He gave me a look like I had three heads and moved across> the room from me... for the rest of the party I noticed that where> ever I was, he was on the other side of the room. LOL My neighbor> told me that when she invites them to parties at her place he always> asks if I'm going to be there... if the answer is yes, he always finds> an excuse for why he can't attend with his son.> > Talk about taking a pin to his inflated ego! His wife, incidentally,> quit giggling and acting all holier than thou, and is civil to me when> we are at parties together. Several other parents at that party> approached me asking how I planned to get my kids into school if they> weren't vaccinated, so I had the opportunity to educate them on> exemptions... NONE of them knew their rights on exemptions and they> were completely surprised there was an option. I know two of the> ladies quit vaccinating after that, because I still see them every> once in awhile.> > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Valpiani <Valpiani@...> wrote:> >> > >> > …the husband of a close friend of mine is a Pediatrician in our community, and yes, he is ALL ego…> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

What a wimp--great story!

Winnie Re: Why paediatricians?Vaccinations > I think it is a requirement for a ped to have a large ego...> > I was at a birthday party for the neighbor kids when my youngest son> was just born - I think he was about two weeks old at the time. My> neighbor introduced me to a man standing next to her, "This is my> neighbor, ... and this is . was born at home two> weeks ago - right across the street from me!" The lady standing next> to the man snickered and took a couple of steps back, like she knew> something was about to be said.... the man looked at me and said > in a> very serious tone, "The only things that should be delivered at home> are newspapers and pizza." The lady started giggling... later I found> out that was his wife. Not to be disuaded, I smiled > sarcastically at> him and said, "Let me guess, you're a pediatrician!" He said "Yep,> that's exactly right." So I said to him, "Oh, well you don't > need to> worry, because my baby wasn't DELIVERED anywhere... he was > BIRTHED at> home in a pool of warm water in my living room." I went on to say,> "And that's probably the least of the beef you'd have with me if I> were to choose you for my child's doctor - which I don't think is> going to be an issue." He asked me why and I stated, "Do you > see that> very healthy, vibrant two-year-old running all over the place?"> (pointing to my son). He nodded and said, something like, "Yes, that> child looks very healthy and happy". I said "Well, he's also my son,> born at home, and he's never been vaccinated - and neither has ,> and neither of them ever will." He had something snide to say about> that, I can't remember what now, but my response was, "If you'd like> to debate that with me, I'd be happy to. Pick a vaccine, one vaccine> of your choice, and we'll debate it." He didn't say anything so I> went on to try to coerce him into a debate. I said, "Let's make it> easier on you.... which vaccine have you read the entire package> insert for lately?" He didn't say anything. So I responded to the> silence by saying, "Well, if you haven't even read a package insert> then the debate would be quite unfair, because I have done a lot of> research above and beyond the package insert for every vaccine> currently on the childhood schedule. Maybe it's best that we > agree to> disagree?" He gave me a look like I had three heads and moved across> the room from me... for the rest of the party I noticed that where> ever I was, he was on the other side of the room. LOL My neighbor> told me that when she invites them to parties at her place he always> asks if I'm going to be there... if the answer is yes, he always finds> an excuse for why he can't attend with his son.> > Talk about taking a pin to his inflated ego! His wife, incidentally,> quit giggling and acting all holier than thou, and is civil to > me when> we are at parties together. Several other parents at that party> approached me asking how I planned to get my kids into school if they> weren't vaccinated, so I had the opportunity to educate them on> exemptions... NONE of them knew their rights on exemptions and they> were completely surprised there was an option. I know two of the> ladies quit vaccinating after that, because I still see them every> once in awhile.> > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Valpiani > wrote:> >> > >> > …the husband of a close friend of mine is a Pediatrician in > our community, and yes, he is ALL ego…> > > ------------------------------------> >

[Guest guest]

I wasn't always there, but now I want to plaster a sign on my forehead

that says " If you're a doctor, just ASK me about vaccines! " ... I used

to not say much, but after all the hours I've put into research,

taking Sheri's classes, the info on this list, all the books I've

read, the people I've chosen to surround myself with, etc. I just have

the knowledge *right there*.  That was my goal, after being called " A

fool " and some other not-so-nice names by my old GP of 15+ years when

I told him my decision not to vax my first baby.  I didn't like

feeling backed into a corner and vowed never again... Now I do the

backing and most doctors don't know what hit them! 

Actually, more recently instead of getting my dander up, I use the

opportunity to educate my doctors.  It's been refreshing to see that

some doctors are actually willing to hear what I have to say.  I wish

I could just do what I used to do and not even bother, but with my

youngest son's health problems, I've been forced into the allopathic

world much, much more than I ever wanted to be. I decided there's a

reason for everything, so I just keep plugging and trying to educate.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Valpiani <Valpiani@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Bravo !  My stones aren't quite as large as yours, but I'm getting there

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

I worked in a general practitioner's office when I had my first son and the doc

was a good friend and my personal doctor. He didn't offer vaccines at his

office because it wasn't cost effective. The vaccines have an experiation date

so doctors feel the pressure to use them up or take the loss. Vaccines were

never an issue with him. I was really sad when he moved , but I learned to

seek out a family practitioner where the pressure on their pockets isn't so

extreme.

>

> I think most people use a pediatrician because everyone else says it is the

way it should be, without question. I am seeing this change a bit though over

time.

>

[Guest guest]

In March I took my grandson to a Ped, who also is the Chief of Staff at our small town hospital. That was the first time I met him, and was not expecting to get into a debate about vaccinations. They seem to always bring them up even though he was there for strep throat, which the doctor confirmed he had. It came up that Chase was vaccine free, and had an exemption so we got into a debate, me using my grandson who regressed into autism. I don't remember all the points I used with him, but when it was done he seemed quite shook up and unsure of himself. He said something that surprised me though. He brought up his own son who is a friend of my grandson. He said that he is sure his son's diabetes was not caused by vaccinations. I assume that the thought had crossed his mind or he wouldn't have brought this up. Interesting. My grandson, who is very bright, told me he thought I won that debate.

C.

[Guest guest]

Nice job. See, if there's a personal connection people are more likely to be open to vaccine problmes. You bet it crossed his mind about vaccines and diabetes. He was trying to reassure himself.

Winnie Re: Why paediatricians?Vaccinations > In March I took my grandson to a Ped, who also is the Chief of > Staff at our small town hospital. That was the first time I met > him, and was not expecting to get into a debate about > vaccinations. They seem to always bring them up even though he > was there for strep throat, which the doctor confirmed he had. > It came up that Chase was vaccine free, and had an exemption so > we got into a debate, me using my grandson who regressed into > autism. I don't remember all the points I used with him, but > when it was done he seemed quite shook up and unsure of himself. > He said something that surprised me though. He brought up his > own son who is a friend of my grandson. He said that he is sure > his son's diabetes was not caused by vaccinations. I assume that > the thought had crossed his mind or he wouldn't have brought > this up. Interesting. My grandson, who is very bright, told me > he thought I won that debate.> > C.>

[Guest guest]

There’s a thought they’re “real” dr’s

for children since they’re specialized in children’s health,

supposedly. Mom still has fits that I never took Christian to a “real”

doctor, not “just” a family doctor. When we had david she again was

on this beat

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12,

10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

In my experience in 29 Palms, CA aboard the Marine Base this is SO not

completely true...but I think they are one of the few b/c their hospital is one

of those exclusive " mother-baby friendly " ones that you have to pay a large sum

of money to be on this special list...no nursery, one room for LDR & P, no pacis

or formula available for babies after birth, indifference towards circ, they

have an awesome LC on staff and the nurses actually have a heart when they hear

a baby cry!

But I'd say MOST are not so wonderful.

~Kristi

>

(and in the military there isn't really a difference anyways, they are all

pro-vaccine, pro-circumcision, pro-cry-it-out and pro-formula and

anti-breastfeeding).

[Guest guest]

I'm new here. Can you folks guide me to some really excellent sites that PROVE the BADS about vaccinations?Bill

[Guest guest]

I went to a pediatrician as an infant and child - born in 1950

My mom was a peds RN in the hospital after graduating in 1948 and in

the pediatirican's office - 2 peds.

I also worked there in high school - 3 peds by that time

And worked there a little while going to nursing school

I then worked peds in hospital 1971 - 1974 and then for the same 3

doctor peds practice 1974 - 1978 (made up of my ped when I was a baby

and 2 others). Later they added a 4th. One of the busiest practices in town.

I assume most went to peds with their children - it just seemed to be

how it was in my town and how I learned it was in school

But who knows for sure

I never saw them being the way peds are now

they were loving and caring towards kids

and of course far fewer vaccines.

I stopped working for peds in 1978

I did not see them as egocentric

Probably make the least money of any doctors, at that time.

Vaccines weren't a huge issue but then no one was refusing back then,

that I remember.

And there weren't a lot of them.

I think something changed with peds, probably in the 80's.

But I lost track of them over the years, especially as I became

involved with more holistic things and vaccine dangers.

One of the peds wrote to me a few years ago, by email, when he

retired - asking about my life and my tours. He also was a friend

while I worked for him those 4 years in the 70's

I didn't mention the vaccine stuff, but if he went to my webpages he

would have seen it

I wrote back to him and he never answered me. I've written several

times again, but still no answer. I think that tells me how he had changed.

Sheri

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email

courses - next classes start October 28 & 29

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

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Welcome, Bill! I don't know if any sites can prove that, but here are a couple you can read through and see if you're convinced one way or another, or if you want to learn even more first:

This is for the manufacturer's vaccine package inserts. You can read up on the ingredients, studies and side effects: (http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/)

Here are a few info-packed sites:

(http://www.nvic.org/)

(http://vaccineinfo.net/)

(http://www.thinktwice.com/)

But it's not just websites that are informative. Some must read books are:

1-Vaccines: Are They Really Safe & Effective? by Neil Z.

2- Kirby's Evidence of Harm Evidence of Harm : Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical Controversy

3-A Shot in the Dark by L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher

4-The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice by Randall Neustaedter

5-Vaccination, Social Violence, and Criminality: The Medical Assault on the American Brain by Coulter

6-The Virus and the Vaccine: The True Story of a Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus, Contaminated Polio Vaccine, and the Millions of Americans Exposed by Debbie Bookchin and Jim Schumacher

7-How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor by S. Mendelsohn, M.D.

That should keep you busy for awhile. Please ask any questions along the way.

Winnie

Re: Why paediatricians?Vaccinations > I'm new here. Can you folks guide me to some really excellent > sites that> PROVE the BADS about vaccinations?> Bill>