Re: New to web site needing help!!

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Hello,Sorry to hear you have bird mites. I'm here to learn more to try to help mother (73) with her bird mite issues. I work with poultry (genetics), so I know a bit about bird mites, from that point of view, as part of my job.

If you have never seen a mite on your chickens the mite you are dealing with is most likely Dermanyssus gallinae, the red poultry mite. While D.gallinae is not, afaik, sited in any scientific journals as living in the sinus, from what I have read here & from what my mother has said, it must be a distinct possibility. D. gallinae is a biting mite thus does not burrow under the skin as such. According to vet books & scientific studies, they live for the most part off the host in small cracks & crevices in the environment, coming out to have a blood meal most usually at night.

I've attached a paper about their behaviour.

My first job after leaving school, was with the Ministry of Agriculture, as was (now DEFRA) working in pest infestation control, breeding rats. One thing which, I assume, must be as true for mites as for rodents is that any pesticide, indicated for the target species, may be work well in one region but, due to resistance, may not be very effective in another depending upon how often the target species in that area have been has been exposed to the pesticide. Thus, in the case of chemical pesticides, what has been very effective for one person will not necessarily be as effective for another.

I have attached a study in the effects of temp & humidity on D.gallinae. It would seem that they survive well over 100F (45C is well over 100F). I don;t think they would be found in direct sunlight, so perhaps it would kill them.

Many people here have found sulphur helpful against the mites, so LymDyp must be worth trying. While it is not indicated for poultry, I can see no reason not to give it a try.

What side effects have your animals had from ivermectin? You could probably use a product with moxydectin, which is related to the avermectins such as ivermectin, selamectin, eprinomectin etc. but is made from a different species of Streptomyces soil mite. I ve also recently read about what appears to be a product used as a systemic endectocide made from fermentation of a completely different soil bacteria the product being spinosad. Here is an abstract.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304401710003687I have Border Collies, it seems that border collies & aussies do not necessarily react to the avermecyins, in fact most dogs of this breed do not have the gene which causes the reaction. As the avermectins are probably the cheapest of the systemic endectocides, it might be worth having the blood test done on your aussie.

I think some people have had luck with Naylar though I don't know whether it is indicated as being an effective IGR against mites. Think the other ingredients in the can include synthetic pyrethroids. Presumably, if you use them you could give the car a good airing after use. I don't know anything about strontium & cancer, but found this if it is of any help.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/radionuclides/strontium.htmlThe IGR Etoxazole sold under the brand name TertraSan was developed to also be effective against mites. I was thinking of getting some for my mother; it is around $50 per container but maybe that is safer than your cans?

Good luck. 

On 2 August 2011 14:08, kammdann <aussierescue@...> wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

I am a registered vet tech who is looking for answers. I think I have finally figured out that I have a bird mite infestation. 1 1/2 yrs ago I fostered some guennie hens for a few days since there home was in danger of the wild fires. What a BIG MISTAKE!! They had not only lice but near as I can figure probibly bird mites as well since that is when the problem started. I have done skin scraping after skin scraping on horses cats dogs and my chicken with no results:( I have spent thousands treating using DE permethrin in the runs,frontline plus revolution,and bathing with various types of shampoo's homepathic/ herbal to chemicals:( I can never completly get rid of them so far they are at a dull roar now until another break. I do however live in the desert and am wondering if they live on the host under the skin or externally or both? Does extreem heat in the 100s kill them? how long can they live in direct sunlight as well as indirect areas in crevices.I do not have any carpet only tile and laminate floors. All of the animals bedding as well as the couch is in plastic bags (wrapped) so the covers can come off to be washed every 3 days and dried int he dryer. I have had them personally 7 times in my hair and body and now that I read this all that may be contributing to my sinus issues as well as my dog now has problems to. He was in remission from cancer and now his life is threatened by an unknown nasel issue, rhinitis that isnt an infection or fungal or immune mediated or allergies either. I am thinking that the mites have set up house keeping in his sinus area:( My questions are does lym dyp work on the animals? That is the one thing that I havent tried yet. If so can I use it on the birds as well? And how do I get rid of the mites in my sinuses as well as my dogs? I cannot use permethrin product on the dog since they are aussies and the cats also sleep with them so it would be toxic to them as well. Ivermectin isnt an option either on the dogs again herding breed. I used ivermectin on the cats as well as the birds but can no longer use it because of the side effects that have now happened. I have found some product that I had gotten years ago when I sold vet pharmacuitals for fleas . I Am wondering if the knock out product spray with nylar and tetrametharine/phenoxybenzle/methyl2(phenoxphenol ethoxl pyridine might work on the premis and car? I have a few cans of them. I hate to use chemicals but DE didnt works so well . Not only that it is hight in strontium which promotes certain types of cancers to. Any help would be great.

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

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Behavior of D.gallinae.pdf

effects of temperature & humidity on D.gallinae.pdf

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Hi, Kammdann!I can help you with the temperatures but only in Celsius (cause I live in Sweden) THe birdmites die in over 70 degrees for 10 minutes that is a result from a swedish researcher that specializes on birdmites, so I think it is correct. (he´s a vet)Good luck!CeciliaFrom: kammdann <aussierescue@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, August 2, 2011 9:08:46 PMSubject: New to web site needing help!!

Hello everyone,

I am a registered vet tech who is looking for answers. I think I have finally figured out that I have a bird mite infestation. 1 1/2 yrs ago I fostered some guennie hens for a few days since there home was in danger of the wild fires. What a BIG MISTAKE!! They had not only lice but near as I can figure probibly bird mites as well since that is when the problem started. I have done skin scraping after skin scraping on horses cats dogs and my chicken with no results:( I have spent thousands treating using DE permethrin in the runs,frontline plus revolution,and bathing with various types of shampoo's homepathic/ herbal to chemicals:( I can never completly get rid of them so far they are at a dull roar now until another break. I do however live in the desert and am wondering if they live on the host under the skin or externally or both? Does extreem heat in the 100s kill them? how long can they live in direct sunlight as well as indirect areas in crevices.I

do not have any carpet only tile and laminate floors. All of the animals bedding as well as the couch is in plastic bags (wrapped) so the covers can come off to be washed every 3 days and dried int he dryer. I have had them personally 7 times in my hair and body and now that I read this all that may be contributing to my sinus issues as well as my dog now has problems to. He was in remission from cancer and now his life is threatened by an unknown nasel issue, rhinitis that isnt an infection or fungal or immune mediated or allergies either. I am thinking that the mites have set up house keeping in his sinus area:( My questions are does lym dyp work on the animals? That is the one thing that I havent tried yet. If so can I use it on the birds as well? And how do I get rid of the mites in my sinuses as well as my dogs? I cannot use permethrin product on the dog since they are aussies and the cats also sleep with them so it would be toxic to them as

well. Ivermectin isnt an option either on the dogs again herding breed. I used ivermectin on the cats as well as the birds but can no longer use it because of the side effects that have now happened. I have found some product that I had gotten years ago when I sold vet pharmacuitals for fleas . I Am wondering if the knock out product spray with nylar and tetrametharine/phenoxybenzle/methyl2(phenoxphenol ethoxl pyridine might work on the premis and car? I have a few cans of them. I hate to use chemicals but DE didnt works so well . Not only that it is hight in strontium which promotes certain types of cancers to. Any help would be great.