Re: Bacteria associated with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

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Fantastic article Krys. Article said it was the 1st paper of its kind on bacterial composition of D. Gallinae. The samples were taken from 12 diffferent farms in Brittany, France. I took a few interesting notes:1. The samples were taken from conventional, non-organic farms and the authors said another study of interest would be to study the bacteria from other regions (maybe even outside the country of France) and specifically from organic farms to see how they differ in terms of bacterias, etc. 2. A healthy farm has normal flora... but an unhealthy farm (maybe more sick animals), has more bacterias of a variety of types, perhaps more that are truly pathogenic.3. There were varying bands from different farms indicating community diversity in mite populations which was a sign of differences between various poultry farms; bacterias were obtained from soil, plants, water and air and transmitted to mites or chickens.4. Bacterias were grouped into 4 categories: 24 Saprophytes, 16 opportunistic pathogens, 4 strict pathogens and 5 arthropod symbionts. 5. Strict pathogens included almost uniformly: A. viridans (100%), A. urenaequi, P multocida, E rhusiopalliae. Almost all mites had 100% of those listed. I don't know if any of these "pathogens" spread disease that many victims (human) mite sufferers have had... But, PERHAPS, if one has already existing illness, toxins from heavy metals, immune dysfunction, these pathogens could pull a person down further into illness or perhaps create an allergic response. Hey, if the chickens are getting sick, why wouldn't human beings?Anyway, the article was incredible and thank you for sharing this valuable 1st article of this sort. It is important for a number of obvious reasons, one of which is, are these bacteria being encouraged by the type of farm practices, chemicals used, etc.Obviously this microbiological study only accounted for bacterias and not fungi or parasites. That would be further study. Now I'm going to see what I can find about the strict pathogens listed by the authors and read up on those. !!! Wow.From: "Krys Brennand" <krys109uk@...>"bird mites" <bird mites >Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:31:58 AMSubject: Bacteria associated with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

[Attachment(s) from Krys Brennand included below]

There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one

scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are looking into it.

Krys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

[Guest guest]

, thanks so much for your assumption of the article. With that, even I was

able to understand it :-)

Big hug,

Aggi

P.S. I am going to send you the pics you have asked me for :-)

>

> Fantastic article Krys. Article said it was the 1st paper of its kind on

bacterial composition of D. Gallinae. The samples were taken from 12 diffferent

farms in Brittany, France. I took a few interesting notes:

>

>

> 1. The samples were taken from conventional, non-organic farms and the authors

said another study of interest would be to study the bacteria from other regions

(maybe even outside the country of France) and specifically from organic farms

to see how they differ in terms of bacterias, etc.

>

>

> 2. A healthy farm has normal flora... but an unhealthy farm (maybe more sick

animals), has more bacterias of a variety of types, perhaps more that are truly

pathogenic.

>

>

> 3. There were varying bands from different farms indicating community

diversity in mite populations which was a sign of differences between various

poultry farms; bacterias were obtained from soil, plants, water and air and

transmitted to mites or chickens.

>

>

> 4. Bacterias were grouped into 4 categories: 24 Saprophytes, 16 opportunistic

pathogens, 4 strict pathogens and 5 arthropod symbionts.

>

>

> 5. Strict pathogens included almost uniformly: A. viridans (100%), A.

urenaequi, P multocida, E rhusiopalliae. Almost all mites had 100% of those

listed. I don't know if any of these " pathogens " spread disease that many

victims (human) mite sufferers have had... But, PERHAPS, if one has already

existing illness, toxins from heavy metals, immune dysfunction, these pathogens

could pull a person down further into illness or perhaps create an allergic

response. Hey, if the chickens are getting sick, why wouldn't human beings?

>

>

> Anyway, the article was incredible and thank you for sharing this valuable 1st

article of this sort. It is important for a number of obvious reasons, one of

which is, are these bacteria being encouraged by the type of farm practices,

chemicals used, etc.

>

>

> Obviously this microbiological study only accounted for bacterias and not

fungi or parasites. That would be further study. Now I'm going to see what I can

find about the strict pathogens listed by the authors and read up on those.

>

>

> !!! Wow.

>

> Bacteria associated with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

>

>

>

>

> [ Attachment(s) from Krys Brennand included below]

>

>

>

> There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one

scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the

bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are

looking into it.

> Krys

> --

> I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

> And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

> And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

> And a grey mist on the sea 's face and a grey dawn breaking.

> I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

> Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

> And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

> And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea -gulls crying.

> I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

> To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

> And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

> And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

>

> Sea Fever - Masefield

>

[Guest guest]

, thanks so much for your assumption of the article. With that, even I was

able to understand it :-)

Big hug,

Aggi

P.S. I am going to send you the pics you have asked me for :-)

>

> Fantastic article Krys. Article said it was the 1st paper of its kind on

bacterial composition of D. Gallinae. The samples were taken from 12 diffferent

farms in Brittany, France. I took a few interesting notes:

>

>

> 1. The samples were taken from conventional, non-organic farms and the authors

said another study of interest would be to study the bacteria from other regions

(maybe even outside the country of France) and specifically from organic farms

to see how they differ in terms of bacterias, etc.

>

>

> 2. A healthy farm has normal flora... but an unhealthy farm (maybe more sick

animals), has more bacterias of a variety of types, perhaps more that are truly

pathogenic.

>

>

> 3. There were varying bands from different farms indicating community

diversity in mite populations which was a sign of differences between various

poultry farms; bacterias were obtained from soil, plants, water and air and

transmitted to mites or chickens.

>

>

> 4. Bacterias were grouped into 4 categories: 24 Saprophytes, 16 opportunistic

pathogens, 4 strict pathogens and 5 arthropod symbionts.

>

>

> 5. Strict pathogens included almost uniformly: A. viridans (100%), A.

urenaequi, P multocida, E rhusiopalliae. Almost all mites had 100% of those

listed. I don't know if any of these " pathogens " spread disease that many

victims (human) mite sufferers have had... But, PERHAPS, if one has already

existing illness, toxins from heavy metals, immune dysfunction, these pathogens

could pull a person down further into illness or perhaps create an allergic

response. Hey, if the chickens are getting sick, why wouldn't human beings?

>

>

> Anyway, the article was incredible and thank you for sharing this valuable 1st

article of this sort. It is important for a number of obvious reasons, one of

which is, are these bacteria being encouraged by the type of farm practices,

chemicals used, etc.

>

>

> Obviously this microbiological study only accounted for bacterias and not

fungi or parasites. That would be further study. Now I'm going to see what I can

find about the strict pathogens listed by the authors and read up on those.

>

>

> !!! Wow.

>

> Bacteria associated with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

>

>

>

>

> [ Attachment(s) from Krys Brennand included below]

>

>

>

> There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one

scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the

bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are

looking into it.

> Krys

> --

> I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

> And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

> And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

> And a grey mist on the sea 's face and a grey dawn breaking.

> I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

> Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

> And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

> And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea -gulls crying.

> I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

> To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

> And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

> And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

>

> Sea Fever - Masefield

>

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INteresting KRys!We had both staph-bacterias (and still have) and Klebsiella bacteria recieved probably from the mites...KRCeciliaFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites <bird mites >Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:31 PMSubject: Bacteria associated

with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one

scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are looking into it.

Krys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

[Guest guest]

INteresting KRys!We had both staph-bacterias (and still have) and Klebsiella bacteria recieved probably from the mites...KRCeciliaFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites <bird mites >Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:31 PMSubject: Bacteria associated

with red bird mites [1 Attachment]

There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one

scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are looking into it.

Krys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

[Guest guest]

Finally got to read Kry's article. Wow! I am glad they are finally looking into such things. Thaks Krys.

Love and light,

From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>Subject: Bacteria associated with red bird mites [1 Attachment]"bird mites" <bird mites >Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 6:31 PM

There is quite a lot of pretty technical stuff in this paper, but if one scrolls down there is a list of bacteria found. I don't know whether any of the bacteria found are endosymbionts of the mite but it is interesting that they are looking into it.Krys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tideIs a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way

where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield