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Hi Bill,I forgot to say, that was an interesting link you sent...thanks. :-)What I was saying was that my initial idea was wrong. From what I read, carbon monoxide would not be a good way to kill bugs & would be far more dangerous to humans than to the bugs.

Best wishesKrysOn 30 July 2011 17:03, Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:

 

Hi Krys

I never you thought you were disagreeing .Sorry if sounded like that . Carbon Monoxide would be a great way to kill a bug.

Please let me know of anything you find to kill this menacing bug .

God bless you ,

Bill.

On Sat Jul 30th, 2011 5:33 PM EDT Krys Brennand wrote:

>Hi Bill,

>I wasn't disagreeing with you over the carbon monoxide (CO) not killing

>mites. I was curious as to why it wouldn't kill mites, so I went & found a

>plausible reason why CO probably would not kill mites. Which is what I wrote

>about. I was sharing what I found out in case others might find it

>interesting.

>

>Carbon dioxide (CO2) is not poisonous in the same way as carbon monoxide &

>is much less dangerous. For instance one inhalationl of pretty much pure CO2

>while painful, is unlikely to do lasting damage to a mammal, whereas an

>inhalation of pretty much pure CO is likely to make a mammal seriously ill

>if not kill them.

>Regards

>Krys

>

>On 30 July 2011 14:27, Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Hi Krys

>>

>> I used the carbon Monoxide tube from my exhaust pipe for 2 hrs, I had it

>> resting in the liftgate hatch on a toyota station wagon , with the liftgate

>> closed , but slightly ajar to accomadate the 4-5'' tupe I had slipped over

>> my ehaust like they do at a muffler shop . I was killing 'water bugs in

>> florida , it didn't kill them . I gues the gas was not at a high enough

>> concentration .

>>

>> As for c02 it kills , but takes at least 1 hr to killa spider thet I tested

>> it on .

>>

>> Here is a great link in carbon dioxide or also known as c02

>>

>> http://wasg.iinet.net.au/Co2paper.html

>>

>> excerpt from link :

>>

>> Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is the body's regulator of the breathing function. It

>> is normally present in the air at a concentration of 0.03% by volume. Any

>> increase above this level will cause accelerated breathing and heart rate. A

>> concentration of 10% can cause respiratory paralysis and death within a few

>> minutes. In industry the maximum safe working level recommended for an 8

>> hour working day is 0.5% . ......

>>

>> More at : http://wasg.iinet.net.au/Co2paper.html

>>

>> God bless you ,

>>

>> Bill

>>

>> ps c02 didn not seem to kill the eggs , then the bugs returned , but I got

>> days & days of no bites whatso ever in the car , which I needed , I used my

>> car as a safty area , also as a chamber to gas papers & books . It was a

>> dream come true for tax time. I breathed c02 once by using the gas inside

>> the house while trying to gas my laptop in a fish tank , while I used the

>> laptop with a usb keyboard & wire tapped airtight around the wire & a lid on

>> the fish tank. I got a headache then horribly bad kidney pain that dropped

>> me to the ground like a sack of potatoes for 5 hrs . I hever got near the

>> gas again & aired my car for 6 hrs after gassing the car .

>> Leaks in the auto body reduces effectiveness , so I plug them with pieces

>> of .8 mil plastic jammed in holes or damaged weather stripping , I look for

>> leaks with a lighter , if co2 is leaking out a hole in the cars frame or

>> body the flame on the lighter floats above the lighter 1 inch like magic

>> The heat vent should be set to recirculate to keep car air tight.

>> I put everything in the car I can to gas , there is no after small or

>> residue & it reaches deep into computers , I stored my lap top in a 2.5 gal

>> ziplock which I filled with a 1/2'' hose hooked to an adapter threded on the

>> 20 lb rented tank from any welding supply . I filled bag slowy, by slowly

>> opening the valve , then zip tight & place in & 5 gal bucket with the lid

>> set loosely on top this kept bugs dyng as they crawled to the co2 bag, which

>> is a natural attractarant for mites & fleas & mosquitos This way when they

>> got in the bucket they would pass out & die cause the bucket was full of c02

>> since all ziplocks leak somewhat I did not have as good of results just

>> placing the bagged & gassed laptop in the corner open for bugs to swarm. .

>> This cleared my laptop for use for & few hrs till more would hatch, I then

>> would re-gas it, daily when not in use after 60 days they were gone , I

>> haven't gassed it in 4 months now , (it used to be a bug

>> infested laptop. )

>>

>> pss , co2 is poison in concentrated state , just like essence oils are to

>> strong to apply to the skin directly

>>

>> psss The Lord is a Man war he has become our salvation .

>>

>>

>> On Sat Jul 30th, 2011 9:16 AM EDT Krys Brennand wrote:

>>

>> >Hi Bill,

>> >Oh yes, I hadn't thought about it being dirty from exhaust.

>> >

>> >I am surprised the carbon monoxide doesn't kill mites.....it is very

>> >poisonous, whereas carbon dioxide is not particularly poisonous per se.

>> >

>> >Carbon monoxide is highly poisonous because it binds to the iron atoms in

>> >the blood's haemoglobin which would normally transport oxygen (O2). Carbon

>> >dioxide does not bind to the iron atoms in the blood but kills mostly by

>> >suffocation.

>> >

>> >I became rather curious as to why CO wouldn't kill mites. I only write

>> this

>> >because I find this sort of thing interesting & maybe someone else will

>> find

>> >it interesting too. I had never thought about the circulatory system in

>> >mites; I couldn't find the relevant info about acarids but from what I can

>> >find insects do not have haemoglobin in their blood (nor are their

>> >circulatory systems anything like ours)....which could be why CO may not

>> >poison them, whereas CO2 is heavier than normal air & would fill any

>> >container from the bottom up, thus sufforcating life forms that would need

>> >oxygen.

>> >

>> >Regards

>> >Krys

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >On 29 July 2011 22:27, Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:

>> >

>> >> **

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi Krys

>> >>

>> >> The co2 works on live bugs , eggs stil hatch , that where the baking

>> soda

>> >> dries them to a crisp .

>> >> When I used the exhaust pipe for gassing the car was very dirty from the

>> >> exhasut & the bug s were still crawling all over.

>> >>

>> >> Shan says :

>> >>

>> >> Menthol Crystals & Diffuser - Menthol is used against mites by

>> beekeepers,

>> >> and some people who have gotten rid of these things claim that this is

>> the

>> >> key. We just found out about it and started using it on our latest

>> flare-up

>> >> (caused by re-infesting ourselves) and it made a very noticible

>> difference

>> >> within hours of starting it. You just put the crystals (a concentrated

>> >> derivitive of peppermint) on a diffuser (a small heater), or on a piece

>> of

>> >> paper on a cup warmer (like the kind used to keep a coffee mug warm),

>> and

>> >> let them melt and then evaporate into the air. The resulting odor will

>> give

>> >> you the clearest sinuses you ve ever had and hopefully dehydrate the

>> >> insects. It smell like Vicks VaporRub (which incidentally, is said to be

>> a

>> >> good personal deterent to help you sleep).You can get a pound of

>> crystals

>> >> for about $30, and the site also sells diffusers (though their model

>> doesn t

>> >> put out nearly as much vapor as our cup warmer does, I d get a couple

>> >> of these so you can do multiple rooms at once). This is the product you

>> are

>> >> most likely to skip because it seems unfamiliar and odd. Don t. Save

>> >> yourself the headache of living with the problem for longer then you

>> (cont)

>> >>

>> >> http://www.shanspirations.org/?p=112

>> >>

>> >> 2nd reference from shan

>> >>

>> >> Later addition: Menthol crystals are the absolute best thing weve found

>> for

>> >> treating your car. Put them under the heaters and they ll melt when the

>> car

>> >> is running. Or get an aromatherapy diffuser for use with a tea light,

>> add

>> >> the menthol crystals, and leave it in the car for a couple hours.

>> Menthol

>> >> doesn t work overnight. But if you use it everyday for a week, the

>> results

>> >> are tremendous.

>> >> XTREME Cleen - This is a carpet and laundry cleaner from a company

>> called

>> >> DermaTechRx. I can t vouch for the company, but I can tell you that this

>> >> product makes a world of difference. We injection cleaned our carpets

>> and

>> >> cars (using a rented Rug Doctor, which despite its name does not heat

>> the

>> >> water at all and never uses steam) and wow, what a difference. The

>> biting

>> >> came to an end, and thanks to the Nylar didn t come back (until our

>> >> re-infestation). We use Ammonia and Borax (1 cup and 1/2 cup per load)

>> for

>> >> our laundry every day, but we use this once a week to ensure that

>> everything

>> >> is completely clean.This company sells a lot of stuff, we tried a bunch

>> of

>> >> it and only found two of them to be really effective, this is one of the

>> >> effective ones. You get 1/2 gallon for $70.

>> >> TKO Cleaner (later addition - this stuff is awesome) - We buy it here.

>> It

>> >> is such a versatile, good cleaner that we continued to use it long after

>> the

>> >> bugs were gone for all our general cleaning at home.

>> >> Products to Clean Your Skin - One of the hardest parts in the early days

>> of

>> >> this infestation was that no matter how much we showered we would feel

>> >> biting and crawling just after getting out. Washing didn t seem to help

>> much

>> >> even though we were taking three or more showers a day. Here are

>> products we

>> >> have found to be helpful with this problem. There are no magic bullets

>> here,

>> >> just products that help. You can expect to get out of the shower and

>> feel

>> >> clean and bite / crawling free for a while when using these products.

>> These

>> >> are products you will need to order, I will cover products you can buy

>> >> locally later on.This is the far harder of the two stages, and I m not

>> going

>> >> to go into too much detail. Hopefully if you act quickly the things

>> >> suggested below combined with treating your environment may take care of

>> the

>> >> problem. If not, you may want to consider joining the group

>> >> Finding1Cure to explore the many options for treating the skin problems.

>> You

>> >> ll have to weed through a lot, much of which may not apply to your

>> >> situation, but you may find something truly helpful.

>> >> Rejuvinating Body Wash - This is the other product from DermaTechRx that

>> we

>> >> found helpful (we ordered a big pack of stuff and only two of them stood

>> out

>> >> as being particularly effective). It is a solution of benzalkonium

>> chloride

>> >> (a common and very safe bactricide). There is probably a cheaper

>> alternative

>> >> somewhere (the company seems to target people with this problem, selling

>> >> products with common ingredients for much more then the normal price),

>> but

>> >> this was what we found early on and it helps. You can get it here at 1

>> >> gallon for $120. You may wish to skip this one as Selsun Blue is only

>> $90

>> >> per gallon and seems to be equally effective, though smellier.We found

>> out

>> >> about this product through a web search.

>> >> Kleen Free - An enzyme cleaner that is sold for this problem. We tried

>> >> using it on our house and it wasn t very effective at getting rid of the

>> >> bugs in our environment, however it has been a nice relief for bathing

>> and

>> >> spraying down our bodies. In fact, we still use this nearly every day

>> after

>> >> getting out of the shower or when we start to feel the crawling

>> sensation.

>> >> We keep a spray bottle of 8 to 1 dilution (water to cleaner) to apply

>> and

>> >> then let it air-dry on our skin. It works very nicely for this. Also,

>> >> bathing in it brings a lot of relief, however it is quite costly and at

>> one

>> >> cup per bath is a very expensive way to treat yourself.

>> >>

>> >> Shans stuff menthol-crystals-16-oz $30.00

>> >>

>> >> http://www.wildroots.com/menthol-crystals-16-oz-p-2462.html

>> >>

>> >> God bless you ,

>> >>

>> >> Bill

>> >> ps I used Menthol Crystals 1 teasp in a tn can with a cndle under it ,

>> they

>> >> make the bug come out run for their lives , thus thru the powder of 25%

>> flea

>> >> powder & 75 % DE , then the bug dies : )

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Fri Jul 29th, 2011 6:58 PM EDT Krys Brennand wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >Bill's CO2 idea has given me the idea that rigging up a hosepipe from

>> the

>> >> >exhaust into through the window & leaving the car running for an hour

>> or

>> >> so

>> >> >would fill the car with CO which, presumably, would also kill the

>> mites.

>> >> >However, it is possible the CO2 might be more effective as it is

>> heavier

>> >> >than air & would thus be more at carpet level.

>> >> >Regards

>> >> >Krys

>> >> >

>> >> >On 29 July 2011 17:17, Doe <doe1769@...> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> **

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Hi This help cars ,see ' drench seats part ' ps ozone was used by the

>> >> >> golfnut' for his clothes & closet , it helped him Holly also use

>> ozone

>> >> in

>> >> >> the car & she said it is best ,she tried many many things that didn't

>> >> work

>> >> >> ozone machine size unknown , ask her please ! at:

>> >> hollyjane11@... you , Bill

>> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> ps I also used c02 , 20 lb rented from the welding store for $5 per

>> >> month &

>> >> >> $12'73 to fill , place in car awqay from house , open valve , shut

>> door

>> >> ,

>> >> >> leave in for 8 hrs , hold breath , open doors & walk upwind , air for

>> 5

>> >> hrs

>> >> >> . It is deally to all life forms including humans , causes kidney

>> >> failure in

>> >> >> high percentages

>> >> >>

>> >> >> ----Forwarded Message----

>> >> >> From: doe1769@...

>> >> >> bird mites

>> >> >> Sent: Sun Jul 24th, 2011 9:25 AM EDT

>> >> >> Subject: Re: I think I found a CURE .... Sandy - don't

>> >> lose

>> >> >> hope

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Hi

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Here is the net site Rita recommended for buying 2.5% benzoyl

>> peroxide

>> >> acne

>> >> >> treatment

>> >> >>

>> >> >> http://www.danielkern.com/category-s/22.htmThis

>> >> >>

>> >> >> here is an excerpt from the net site

>> >> >>

>> >> >> '' 8 oz. Treatment Price $16.52 [LINK]

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I made this 2.5% benzoyl peroxide acne treatment to be gel based so

>> it

>> >> goes

>> >> >> on clear and spreads easily. It's also pharmaceutical grade, pH

>> >> balanced,

>> >> >> fragrance free, and dye free. It won't " clump up " with moisturizers,

>> and

>> >> >> won't turn white when you perspire. I created it especially for the

>> >> Acne.org

>> >> >> Regimen. Studies show that 2.5% benzoyl peroxide works as well as 10%

>> >> >> solutions, without the excessive dryness and irritation. [LINK]

>> >> >> 16 oz. Treatment Price $32.03 [LINK] ''

>> >> >>

>> >> >> God bless you ,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Bill

>> >> >>

>> >> >> ps please let me know how it works , Rita was cured by it after 5

>> years

>> >> of

>> >> >> many many chemicals. She now only uses 2 tbls coconut oil & 24 oz of

>> >> water (

>> >> >> aprox amount ) applied to her skin as a protector the she said makes

>> >> them

>> >> >> not be able to da any more then nibble , then leave .

>> >> >> Rita said if she does pick up a bug she uses the benzoyl peroxide

>> acne

>> >> >> treatment right away & she is fine . I do the excat same thing with

>> the

>> >> >> peroxide & borax mix & it works great . I only use the coconut oil

>> mix

>> >> once

>> >> >> per month or so , it is very very helpful.

>> >> >> In the environment baking soda has stopped them , I powed weekly the

>> >> whole

>> >> >> house then use a big dollar stor feather duster to dust off the

>> tables &

>> >> >> dashboarrd , bugs hate dry alkaline powder & leave . I haven washed

>> my

>> >> cay

>> >> >> seats in 2 months . They are about due for a drenching 1 cup borax &

>> 1

>> >> cup

>> >> >> spic n span & e gal of water , wet vac & dry with hair dryer left on

>> for

>> >> >> 12-24 hrs . The seats come out so clean Bugs hate dried borax , &

>> spic &

>> >> >> span smothers bugs .

>> >> >>

>> >> >> On Sat Jul 23rd, 2011 10:40 PM EDT Goldstein@... wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >That truly is miraculous Bill. Can you give a website for the BP

>> again?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > I think I should be looking for a

>> Morgellons

>> >> Doc

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I am so afraid to say this.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I have tried over and over all the treatments on here.

>> >> >> >>I saw new Dr the other day he was very good. He did blood tests

>> some

>> >> were

>> >> >> even

>> >> >> >>for syphlis.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Only thing low was white count.

>> >> >> >>I see black specks all over the house and husband has put all kinds

>> of

>> >> >> dust out

>> >> >> >>in the yard, I have fogged over and over.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>My hair has these small fine wads commint out and these have

>> something

>> >> >> that is

>> >> >> >>very prickly in them.

>> >> >> >>I just had some deep lesions on my face that were almost like

>> little

>> >> >> water

>> >> >> >>blisters under them. If my skin heals then later I will have a

>> place

>> >> open

>> >> >> up

>> >> >> >>sometimes again.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Yesterday I got some pure food grade orange oil very strong.

>> >> >> >>I have bought this before but had to be careful it can really burn.

>> >> >> >>I diluted it and put in my hair after washing and this is when some

>> >> >> things will

>> >> >> >>roll down on the ends and I have to be careful because I feel like

>> >> these

>> >> >> are

>> >> >> >>what causes the other bad places.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>So I put this in my hair and would run my fingers through the

>> strands

>> >> a

>> >> >> few

>> >> >> >>strands at a time, I had been doing the same when I rinse it with

>> >> >> vinegar.

>> >> >> >>This is when the hair comes out. It is like downey.

>> >> >> >>I can't tell if anything is in it because it is wadded up.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I had cut it so short a year ago it was almost shaved.

>> >> >> >>now the back is not even 3 inches.

>> >> >> >>There is usually more of these prickly things at the base of my

>> neck I

>> >> >> think

>> >> >> >>because when I stand up they go that way.

>> >> >> >>I have had new places on my arms and stomach.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I used to not have anything visable and that was why the Drs said I

>> >> was

>> >> >> >>delusional.

>> >> >> >>THis new Dr gave me a sulpur antibiotic.

>> >> >> >>He did parasite tests plus my own MD had done some different ones.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Can anyone send me the name of a good Dr I will travel.

>> >> >> >>I like this one but unless this is some other type of skin diorder

>> I

>> >> >> don't think

>> >> >> >>he can help.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I have nothing left to live for I am house bound and afraid to go

>> out

>> >> >> plus I

>> >> >> >>would not want anyone to see me.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>I feel this is the end for me.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Sorry to be so negative but after two years and so many things I

>> don't

>> >> >> have much

>> >> >> >>encouragment.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>Sandy

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >--

>> >> >They shut the road through the woods

>> >> >Seventy years ago.

>> >> >Weather and rain have undone it again,

>> >> >And now you would never know

>> >> >There was once a road through the woods

>> >> >Before they planted the trees.

>> >> >It is underneath the coppice and heath,

>> >> >And the thin anemones.

>> >> >Only the keeper sees

>> >> >That, where the ring-dove broods,

>> >> >And the badgers roll at ease,

>> >> >There was once a road through the woods.

>> >> >

>> >> >Yet, if you enter the woods

>> >> >Of a summer evening late,

>> >> >When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

>> >> >Where the otter whistles his mate.

>> >> >(They fear not men in the woods,

>> >> >Because they see so few)

>> >> >You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

>> >> >And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

>> >> >Steadily cantering through

>> >> >The misty solitudes,

>> >> >As though they perfectly knew

>> >> >The old lost road through the woods….

>> >> >But there is no road through the woods.

>> >> >*

>> >> >The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >--

>> >They shut the road through the woods

>> >Seventy years ago.

>> >Weather and rain have undone it again,

>> >And now you would never know

>> >There was once a road through the woods

>> >Before they planted the trees.

>> >It is underneath the coppice and heath,

>> >And the thin anemones.

>> >Only the keeper sees

>> >That, where the ring-dove broods,

>> >And the badgers roll at ease,

>> >There was once a road through the woods.

>> >

>> >Yet, if you enter the woods

>> >Of a summer evening late,

>> >When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

>> >Where the otter whistles his mate.

>> >(They fear not men in the woods,

>> >Because they see so few)

>> >You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

>> >And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

>> >Steadily cantering through

>> >The misty solitudes,

>> >As though they perfectly knew

>> >The old lost road through the woods….

>> >But there is no road through the woods.

>> >*

>> >The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>--

>They shut the road through the woods

>Seventy years ago.

>Weather and rain have undone it again,

>And now you would never know

>There was once a road through the woods

>Before they planted the trees.

>It is underneath the coppice and heath,

>And the thin anemones.

>Only the keeper sees

>That, where the ring-dove broods,

>And the badgers roll at ease,

>There was once a road through the woods.

>

>Yet, if you enter the woods

>Of a summer evening late,

>When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

>Where the otter whistles his mate.

>(They fear not men in the woods,

>Because they see so few)

>You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

>And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

>Steadily cantering through

>The misty solitudes,

>As though they perfectly knew

>The old lost road through the woods….

>But there is no road through the woods.

>*

>The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling