Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

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It may be Impossible to know what you have because there aren't tests for everything, and many of the tests are unreliable. On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Benton <sarahbenton48@...> wrote:

1400 mgs of olive leaf a day kills viruses. The Arm and Hammer Super Soda Wash is nearly 100 percent pure baking soda. The other kind is about 70%. As for the fungus, it depends on what kind you have. The Histoplasmosis is deadly as it can set up in any organ and eventually kill you. Knowing what you have is important.

From: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>Subject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufebird mites Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 7:12 PM

What are your thoughts on natural remedies for bacterial viruses?I have read that eating two cloves of garlic per day may help and also that eating yogurt (the "good" bacteria replacing the "bad") may be helpful?Have also read that putting a cup of apple cider vinegar in the the bath may help (already taking baking soda and epsom salt baths anyway > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > >> them using> >> > > > > > > > > primarily> >> > > > > > > > > > > these two products!> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> >> > > > > > > > > > >

>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --> >> > > > They shut the road through the woods> >> > > > Seventy years ago.> >> > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > > >

And now you would never know> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods> >> > > > Before they planted the trees.> >> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > > > And the thin anemones.> >> > > > Only the keeper sees> >> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods.> >> > > >> >> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > > > Of a summer evening late,> >> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > > > Because they see so

few)> >> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > > > Steadily cantering through> >> > > > The misty solitudes,> >> > > > As though they perfectly knew> >> > > > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > > > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > > > *> >> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> >> > They shut the road through the woods> >> > Seventy years ago.> >> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > And

now you would never know> >> > There was once a road through the woods> >> > Before they planted the trees.> >> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > And the thin anemones.> >> > Only the keeper sees> >> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > There was once a road through the woods.> >> >> >> > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > Of a summer evening late,> >> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > Because they see so few)> >> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > Steadily

cantering through> >> > The misty solitudes,> >> > As though they perfectly knew> >> > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > *> >> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- > >> They shut the road through the woods> >> Seventy years ago.> >> Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> And now you would never know> >> There was once a road through the woods> >> Before they planted the trees.> >> It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> And the thin anemones.> >> Only the keeper sees> >> That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> And the badgers roll at

ease,> >> There was once a road through the woods.> >>> >> Yet, if you enter the woods> >> Of a summer evening late,> >> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> (They fear not men in the woods,> >> Because they see so few)> >> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> Steadily cantering through> >> The misty solitudes,> >> As though they perfectly knew> >> The old lost road through the woods….> >> But there is no road through the woods.> >>> >> The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling> >> >>

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Voriconazole will kill the most nasty of fungus, When I'm done with Itraconazole I'm going on it to give it a try.AandrayaOn Aug 7, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Benton <sarahbenton48@...> wrote:

1400 mgs of olive leaf a day kills viruses. The Arm and Hammer Super Soda Wash is nearly 100 percent pure baking soda. The other kind is about 70%. As for the fungus, it depends on what kind you have. The Histoplasmosis is deadly as it can set up in any organ and eventually kill you. Knowing what you have is important.

From: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>Subject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufebird mites Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 7:12 PM

What are your thoughts on natural remedies for bacterial viruses?I have read that eating two cloves of garlic per day may help and also that eating yogurt (the "good" bacteria replacing the "bad") may be helpful?Have also read that putting a cup of apple cider vinegar in the the bath may help (already taking baking soda and epsom salt baths anyway > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > >> them using> >> > > > > > > > > primarily> >> > > > > > > > > > > these two products!> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> >> > > > > > > > > > >

>> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --> >> > > > They shut the road through the woods> >> > > > Seventy years ago.> >> > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > > >

And now you would never know> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods> >> > > > Before they planted the trees.> >> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > > > And the thin anemones.> >> > > > Only the keeper sees> >> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods.> >> > > >> >> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > > > Of a summer evening late,> >> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > > > Because they see so

few)> >> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > > > Steadily cantering through> >> > > > The misty solitudes,> >> > > > As though they perfectly knew> >> > > > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > > > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > > > *> >> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> >> > They shut the road through the woods> >> > Seventy years ago.> >> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > And

now you would never know> >> > There was once a road through the woods> >> > Before they planted the trees.> >> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > And the thin anemones.> >> > Only the keeper sees> >> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > There was once a road through the woods.> >> >> >> > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > Of a summer evening late,> >> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > Because they see so few)> >> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > Steadily

cantering through> >> > The misty solitudes,> >> > As though they perfectly knew> >> > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > *> >> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- > >> They shut the road through the woods> >> Seventy years ago.> >> Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> And now you would never know> >> There was once a road through the woods> >> Before they planted the trees.> >> It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> And the thin anemones.> >> Only the keeper sees> >> That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> And the badgers roll at

ease,> >> There was once a road through the woods.> >>> >> Yet, if you enter the woods> >> Of a summer evening late,> >> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> (They fear not men in the woods,> >> Because they see so few)> >> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> Steadily cantering through> >> The misty solitudes,> >> As though they perfectly knew> >> The old lost road through the woods….> >> But there is no road through the woods.> >>> >> The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling> >> >>

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You do what you think is best. We all have different combinations. You follow your instincts.

Love and light,

From: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>Subject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufebird mites Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 11:37 PM

Well I had mold in my bathroom (pretty severe) but I tested positive for higher than normal Bacteria...indicating a bacterial infection.So I was going to start treating that...Bad idea you think?Can't I do something about the mold spores? Sprayed Lysol throughout the house today...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > > > them using> > > > > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > They shut the road through the woods> > > > > Seventy years ago.> > > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > > > > And now you would never know> > > > > There was once a road through the woods> > > > > Before they planted the trees.> > > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > >

> > And the thin anemones.> > > > > Only the keeper sees> > > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > > > > And the badgers roll at ease,> > > > > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > >> > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > > > > Of a summer evening late,> > > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > > > > (They fear not men in the woods,> > > > > Because they see so few)> > > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > > > > Steadily cantering through> > > > > The misty solitudes,> > > > > As though they perfectly

knew> > > > > The old lost road through the woods….> > > > > But there is no road through the woods.> > > > > *> > > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >>

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Yes. I read about a boy who was on the Intraconazole for 3 months. They thought he was cured until he relapsed. Then they put him on the Voriconazale and that did the trick.

From: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>Subject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufebird mites Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 7:12 PM

What are your thoughts on natural remedies for bacterial viruses?I have read that eating two cloves of garlic per day may help and also that eating yogurt (the "good" bacteria replacing the "bad") may be helpful?Have also read that putting a cup of apple cider vinegar in the the bath may help (already taking baking soda and epsom salt baths anyway > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > >> them using> >> > > > > > > > > primarily> >> > > > > > > > > > > these two products!> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >

> > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > --> >> > > > They shut the road through the woods>

>> > > > Seventy years ago.> >> > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > > > And now you would never know> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods> >> > > > Before they planted the trees.> >> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > > > And the thin anemones.> >> > > > Only the keeper sees> >> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > > > There was once a road through the woods.> >> > > >> >> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > > > Of a summer evening late,> >> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > > > Where the

otter whistles his mate.> >> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > > > Because they see so few)> >> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > > > Steadily cantering through> >> > > > The misty solitudes,> >> > > > As though they perfectly knew> >> > > > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > > > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > > > *> >> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --> >> > They shut the road

through the woods> >> > Seventy years ago.> >> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> > And now you would never know> >> > There was once a road through the woods> >> > Before they planted the trees.> >> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> > And the thin anemones.> >> > Only the keeper sees> >> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> > And the badgers roll at ease,> >> > There was once a road through the woods.> >> >> >> > Yet, if you enter the woods> >> > Of a summer evening late,> >> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> > (They fear not men in the woods,> >> > Because they see so few)>

>> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> > Steadily cantering through> >> > The misty solitudes,> >> > As though they perfectly knew> >> > The old lost road through the woods….> >> > But there is no road through the woods.> >> > *> >> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- > >> They shut the road through the woods> >> Seventy years ago.> >> Weather and rain have undone it again,> >> And now you would never know> >> There was once a road through the woods> >> Before they planted the trees.> >> It is underneath the coppice and heath,> >> And the

thin anemones.> >> Only the keeper sees> >> That, where the ring-dove broods,> >> And the badgers roll at ease,> >> There was once a road through the woods.> >>> >> Yet, if you enter the woods> >> Of a summer evening late,> >> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> >> Where the otter whistles his mate.> >> (They fear not men in the woods,> >> Because they see so few)> >> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> >> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> >> Steadily cantering through> >> The misty solitudes,> >> As though they perfectly knew> >> The old lost road through the woods….> >> But there is no road through the woods.> >>> >> The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling>

>> >>

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I'm the, "I found it, I'll buy it" person. I don't do the intense research , Kajay and the others do. I pass this one to them.

Love and light,

From: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>Subject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufebird mites Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 12:54 AM

500 mg x 3?Is there anything special I should look for when choosing a brand?> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > > > >> them using> > > >> > > > > > > > > primarily> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > >> > > > They shut the road through the woods> > > >> > > > Seventy years ago.> > > >> > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > > >> > > > And now you would never know> > > >> > > > There was once a road through the woods> > > >> > > > Before they planted

the trees.> > > >> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > > >> > > > And the thin anemones.> > > >> > > > Only the keeper sees> > > >> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > > >> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,> > > >> > > > There was once a road through the woods.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > > >> > > > Of a summer evening late,> > > >> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > > >> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > > >> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,> > > >> > > > Because they see so few)> > >

>> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > > >> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > > >> > > > Steadily cantering through> > > >> > > > The misty solitudes,> > > >> > > > As though they perfectly knew> > > >> > > > The old lost road through the woods….> > > >> > > > But there is no road through the woods.> > > >> > > > *> > > >> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > --> > > >>

> They shut the road through the woods> > > >> > Seventy years ago.> > > >> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > > >> > And now you would never know> > > >> > There was once a road through the woods> > > >> > Before they planted the trees.> > > >> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > > >> > And the thin anemones.> > > >> > Only the keeper sees> > > >> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > > >> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > > >> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > >> >> > > >> > Yet, if you enter the woods> > > >> > Of a summer evening late,> > > >> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed

pools> > > >> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > > >> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > > >> > Because they see so few)> > > >> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > > >> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > > >> > Steadily cantering through> > > >> > The misty solitudes,> > > >> > As though they perfectly knew> > > >> > The old lost road through the woods….> > > >> > But there is no road through the woods.> > > >> > *> > > >> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> > > >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >

>> They shut the road through the woods> > > >> Seventy years ago.> > > >> Weather and rain have undone it again,> > > >> And now you would never know> > > >> There was once a road through the woods> > > >> Before they planted the trees.> > > >> It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > > >> And the thin anemones.> > > >> Only the keeper sees> > > >> That, where the ring-dove broods,> > > >> And the badgers roll at ease,> > > >> There was once a road through the woods.> > > >>> > > >> Yet, if you enter the woods> > > >> Of a summer evening late,> > > >> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > > >> Where the otter whistles his

mate.> > > >> (They fear not men in the woods,> > > >> Because they see so few)> > > >> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > > >> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > > >> Steadily cantering through> > > >> The misty solitudes,> > > >> As though they perfectly knew> > > >> The old lost road through the woods….> > > >> But there is no road through the woods.> > > >>> > > >> The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Yes, I do think fungus is a part of the problem, but not all of it. On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:10 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: One thing is sticking out in my memory. My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out. Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem? If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods > > Seventy years ago. > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > And now you would never know > > There was once a road through the woods > > Before they planted the trees. > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > And the thin anemones. > > Only the keeper sees > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > Of a summer evening late, > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > Because they see so few) > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > Steadily cantering through > > The misty solitudes, > > As though they perfectly knew > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > But there is no road through the woods. > > * > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > >

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Diatomecios earth powder/kisel plwder put at all floor boards and cracks is a good help for the environment.KRCeciliaFrom: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 12:45 AMSubject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

Is there anything I can do to get rid of them environmentally?

Anything natural I can do to help the internal issue?

I bought garlic and yogurt today

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> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > > And the thin anemones.

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> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

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> > > > Because they see so few)

> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > > Steadily cantering through

> > > > The misty solitudes,

> > > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > > The old lost road through the woods….

> > > > But there is no road through the woods.

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> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

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Hi!If you tested posotive for bacteria, find out what kind of bacteria, so you know how to treat it!KRCeciliaFrom: s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 1:37 AMSubject: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

Well I had mold in my bathroom (pretty severe) but I tested positive for higher than normal Bacteria...indicating a bacterial infection.

So I was going to start treating that...

Bad idea you think?

Can't I do something about the mold spores? Sprayed Lysol throughout the house today...

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> > > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,

> > > > > And now you would never know

> > > > > There was once a road through the woods

> > > > > Before they planted the trees.

> > > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > > > And the thin anemones.

> > > > > Only the keeper sees

> > > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > > > > And the badgers roll at ease,

> > > > > There was once a road through the woods.

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> > > > > Of a summer evening late,

> > > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

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> > > > > Because they see so few)

> > > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > > > Steadily cantering through

> > > > > The misty solitudes,

> > > > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > > > The old lost road through the woods….

> > > > > But there is no road through the woods.

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I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly.

Love and light,

One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the

dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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Yes, for most people fungus is a part of it and as Krys said, bird mites do carry bacterias and fungi. It is also my belief and not Krys's idea, that most insects today have been exposed to other toxins through chemtrails (aerospraying) in the form of agrobacterium, and heavy metals, and this has been pretty well substantiated. Occasionally a simple case of infestation of bird mites happens, but it is somewhat rare now compared to in the past. What we have now are many types of biting insects that are highly infected. I also agree with Aandraya that most of us have already been exposed or carry pre-existing bacteria, fungi, viruses, heavy metals toxicity which makes us more prone to an allergic reaction to the bites of bird mites, bed bugs (who now carry MRSA), and other avenues of transmission.In the case of disposing of a nest I still say, apart from wearing gloves to get rid of the nest, liberal spraying first - this may be hard if the nest is in a tree, but because you Jay already have mites most likely, I would take more precautions than was described by Mel, that is, just wearing gloves. Sandy from this forum got rid of a nest and they crawled up onto her immediately upon disturbing of the nest. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:40:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

Yes, I do think fungus is a part of the problem, but not all of it. On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:10 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: One thing is sticking out in my memory. My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out. Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem? If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods > > Seventy years ago. > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > And now you would never know > > There was once a road through the woods > > Before they planted the trees. > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > And the thin anemones. > > Only the keeper sees > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > Of a summer evening late, > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > Because they see so few) > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > Steadily cantering through > > The misty solitudes, > > As though they perfectly knew > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > But there is no road through the woods. > > * > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > >

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Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly.

Love and light,

One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the

dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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Whatever we can do to remove moisture from the house is good; I can see why people initially use papertowels and disposable sheets (Kajay). Everything we had went into plastic bags for the first year after washing and drying and in my case, pressing with steam press. I'm realizing that the pressing helped to get rid of the molds that got on the clothing too or histoplasmosis, or Herpes viruses. Borax was a necessity and still use it along with Arm and Hammer detergent unscented. Everything is dried on "high" in dryer and high in washer. I did buy satin (inexpensive) sheets and pillow cases but they generate heat in the body and slip around on the bed as if in a vat of butter - so many things didn't quite work out and I tossed, but we all keep (or kept) trying to see what works. One day, maybe through someone like Kajay, there will be a magazine or book or journal outlining the best of the best procedures, products and techniques to fit multiple situations for most people with multiple bugs and various organisms. I am praying for that.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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LInda-What do you think the little pills on the fabric are- fungus or insects? I could never get my head around that. I do know that something was attaching to the fibers in my clothing and taking it into my skin.I think being in the sun this summer is helping to eradicate the fungus in my skin. Soon I'm going to do a trial run of Voriconazole instead of Itraconazole, see if I can hit this stuff in a big way.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Whatever we can do to remove moisture from the house is good; I can see why people initially use papertowels and disposable sheets (Kajay). Everything we had went into plastic bags for the first year after washing and drying and in my case, pressing with steam press. I'm realizing that the pressing helped to get rid of the molds that got on the clothing too or histoplasmosis, or Herpes viruses. Borax was a necessity and still use it along with Arm and Hammer detergent unscented. Everything is dried on "high" in dryer and high in washer. I did buy satin (inexpensive) sheets and pillow cases but they generate heat in the body and slip around on the bed as if in a vat of butter - so many things didn't quite work out and I tossed, but we all keep (or kept) trying to see what works. One day, maybe through someone like Kajay, there will be a magazine or book or journal outlining the best of the best procedures, products and techniques to fit multiple situations for most people with multiple bugs and various organisms. I am praying for that.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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, I found a paper the other day researching bacteria carried by red poultry mite (Dermanyssus gallinae), it also discusses the possibilty of bacteria being endosymbionts. I'll put it in a new thread in case you find it of interest. I've also found a paper on endosymbionts of ticks, which has already been demonstrated.

KrysOn 8 August 2011 09:45, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Yes, for most people fungus is a part of it and as Krys said, bird mites do carry bacterias and fungi.  It is also my belief and not Krys's idea, that most insects today have been exposed to other toxins through chemtrails (aerospraying) in the form of agrobacterium, and heavy metals, and this has been pretty well substantiated.  Occasionally a simple case of infestation of bird mites happens, but it is somewhat rare now compared to in the past.  What we have now are many types of biting insects that are highly infected.  I also agree with Aandraya that most of us have already been exposed or carry pre-existing bacteria, fungi, viruses, heavy metals toxicity which makes us more prone to an allergic reaction to the bites of bird mites, bed bugs (who now carry MRSA), and other avenues of transmission.

In the case of disposing of a nest I still say, apart from wearing gloves to get rid of the nest, liberal spraying first - this may be hard if the nest is in a tree, but because you Jay already have mites most likely, I would take more precautions than was described by Mel, that is, just wearing gloves.  Sandy from this forum got rid of a nest and they crawled up onto her immediately upon disturbing of the nest. 

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:40:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

 

Yes, I do think fungus is a part of the problem, but not all of it.  On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:10 PM, s.jay8383 wrote:   One thing is sticking out in my memory.

My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.

Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem? If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using

> > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods

> > Seventy years ago. > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > And now you would never know > > There was once a road through the woods > > Before they planted the trees.

> > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > And the thin anemones. > > Only the keeper sees > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > There was once a road through the woods.

> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > Of a summer evening late, > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > Because they see so few) > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > Steadily cantering through > > The misty solitudes,

> > As though they perfectly knew > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > But there is no road through the woods. > > * > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

> > >

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

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Everyone is exposed to bacteria, viruses, fungal spores etc every day of our lives, it is natural. In most cases it is not a problem. Either they are harmess, or our immune system takes care of it, or, in some cases, pathogens can be crowded out by beneficial or neutral microbes. There are many microbes which people come in contact with on a regular basis which have little or no effect on most people, but which can cause serious problems if they get out of hand for some reason.

KrysOn 8 August 2011 09:45, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Yes, for most people fungus is a part of it and as Krys said, bird mites do carry bacterias and fungi.  It is also my belief and not Krys's idea, that most insects today have been exposed to other toxins through chemtrails (aerospraying) in the form of agrobacterium, and heavy metals, and this has been pretty well substantiated.  Occasionally a simple case of infestation of bird mites happens, but it is somewhat rare now compared to in the past.  What we have now are many types of biting insects that are highly infected.  I also agree with Aandraya that most of us have already been exposed or carry pre-existing bacteria, fungi, viruses, heavy metals toxicity which makes us more prone to an allergic reaction to the bites of bird mites, bed bugs (who now carry MRSA), and other avenues of transmission.

In the case of disposing of a nest I still say, apart from wearing gloves to get rid of the nest, liberal spraying first - this may be hard if the nest is in a tree, but because you Jay already have mites most likely, I would take more precautions than was described by Mel, that is, just wearing gloves.  Sandy from this forum got rid of a nest and they crawled up onto her immediately upon disturbing of the nest. 

From: " Aandraya Da Silva " <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:40:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

 

Yes, I do think fungus is a part of the problem, but not all of it.  On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:10 PM, s.jay8383 wrote:   One thing is sticking out in my memory.

My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.

Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem? If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using

> > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods

> > Seventy years ago. > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > And now you would never know > > There was once a road through the woods > > Before they planted the trees.

> > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > And the thin anemones. > > Only the keeper sees > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > There was once a road through the woods.

> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > Of a summer evening late, > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > Because they see so few) > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > Steadily cantering through > > The misty solitudes,

> > As though they perfectly knew > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > But there is no road through the woods. > > * > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

> > >

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

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Allicin is an effective antimicrobial. The source does matter. I've used Dr. Zhang's allicin- hepapro.com, it's killer, 2 caps 3 x a day. Also, Biopure makes a good Allicin product. What state do you live in, I may know of practitioners in your area that are familiar with this stuff. A regular doctor or ID doctor will think you're crazy.Aandraya On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:26 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: Do I need a specialist? Problem is that I don't have health insurance and cannot afford it Do you think taking the olive leaf extract (as well as 2 cloves of garlic per day) is the next best thing? Can you advise as to any other natural remedies that may fight all "bad" bacterias? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate > > > > them using > > > > > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > They shut the road through the woods > > > > > > Seventy years ago. > > > > > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > > > > > And now you would never know > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods > > > > > > Before they planted the trees. > > > > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > > > > > And the thin anemones. > > > > > > Only the keeper sees > > > > > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > > > > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > > > > > Of a summer evening late, > > > > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > > > > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > > > > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > > > > > Because they see so few) > > > > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > > > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > > > > > Steadily cantering through > > > > > > The misty solitudes, > > > > > > As though they perfectly knew > > > > > > The old lost road through the woodsÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦. > > > > > > But there is no road through the woods. > > > > > > * > > > > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Until you address your internal issues it will be hard to eradicate the mites/insects, etc.On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:37 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: Hi , Thanks for the counter opinion. Still unsure if I want to mess with it - mostly because it is 20 feet in the air and cannot be reached with a ladder. So I would have to get a telescoping pole and knock at it. If I could get a cleaner grab at it I would probably cover up and attempt it after spraying it. What will happen to it this winter? Will the mites inside it (if that is indeed the source) die and will the nest get destroyed by the weather you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using > > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > They shut the road through the woods > > > Seventy years ago. > > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > > And now you would never know > > > There was once a road through the woods > > > Before they planted the trees. > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > > And the thin anemones. > > > Only the keeper sees > > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > > Of a summer evening late, > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > > Because they see so few) > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > > Steadily cantering through > > > The misty solitudes, > > > As though they perfectly knew > > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > > But there is no road through the woods. > > > * > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > > > > >

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The pills are very potent, it's the chemical in garlic- allicin they extract and Dr. Zhang's is concentrated. He is out near you- New York I think. My doctor said he knew few people who could do 2 caps 3 x a day, but I believe long term on that stuff would take care of infections. Olive leaf is a good antimicrobial, I don't think it would be enough to hit what we're dealing with though. Diet is key. I'm on the Paleo diet- no sugar, grains, starchy vegetables, or dairy. Only meat, certain veggies and fruit(no bananas). No alcohol, caffeine, or sugar, and nothing with preservatives. Only whole foods.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: You don't think crushing garlic cloves will work? Or are the pills more concentrated / potent? I'm in CT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to > > eliminate > > > > > > them using > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > They shut the road through the woods > > > > > > > > Seventy years ago. > > > > > > > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > > > > > > > And now you would never know > > > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods > > > > > > > > Before they planted the trees. > > > > > > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > > > > > > > And the thin anemones. > > > > > > > > Only the keeper sees > > > > > > > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > > > > > > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > > > > > > > Of a summer evening late, > > > > > > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > > > > > > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > > > > > > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > > > > > > > Because they see so few) > > > > > > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > > > > > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > > > > > > > Steadily cantering through > > > > > > > > The misty solitudes, > > > > > > > > As though they perfectly knew > > > > > > > > The old lost road through the woodsÃÆ'¢â‚à > > ‚¬Ã‚¦. > > > > > > > > But there is no road through the woods. > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Aandraya,I wish I knew the answer to that. I don't know what the fibers are, but they are PROFUSE. I've heard that the fibers are 1) alive, 2) some sort of plastic or silicone, 3) unidentifiable material... I don't what to believe. One Morgellons doctor did believe that the fibers were living entities. I looked at many of them under scope and had hundreds of photos, but that doctor looked at them under 2000x power and my scope only went to 1000x. He said he could actually see sexual organs... I can't remember his name right off, but recently passed away I believe. I thought I saw growth in the fibers when I looked at the same slides months later, but I never saw any babies popping out of the fibers in the emersion oil. I've heard other people say they feel the fibers are being sucked into the skin and I saw that happen on my skin a few times. Black fiber on hand disappeared into the skin while I was watching it and it happened again on the opposite hand. So you are correct, this does happen. I cut some of those little pills off my underwear with a little device--I told you already about that. Still do it. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 10:27:54 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

LInda-What do you think the little pills on the fabric are- fungus or insects? I could never get my head around that. I do know that something was attaching to the fibers in my clothing and taking it into my skin.I think being in the sun this summer is helping to eradicate the fungus in my skin. Soon I'm going to do a trial run of Voriconazole instead of Itraconazole, see if I can hit this stuff in a big way.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Whatever we can do to remove moisture from the house is good; I can see why people initially use papertowels and disposable sheets (Kajay). Everything we had went into plastic bags for the first year after washing and drying and in my case, pressing with steam press. I'm realizing that the pressing helped to get rid of the molds that got on the clothing too or histoplasmosis, or Herpes viruses. Borax was a necessity and still use it along with Arm and Hammer detergent unscented. Everything is dried on "high" in dryer and high in washer. I did buy satin (inexpensive) sheets and pillow cases but they generate heat in the body and slip around on the bed as if in a vat of butter - so many things didn't quite work out and I tossed, but we all keep (or kept) trying to see what works. One day, maybe through someone like Kajay, there will be a magazine or book or journal outlining the best of the best procedures, products and techniques to fit multiple situations for most people with multiple bugs and various organisms. I am praying for that.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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I had biopsies done of my lesions and the stuff coming out of my skin. A pathologist found nano-particles of silicone, the same stuff he found in patients with leaking breast implants! I think this is just one piece of the toxins in me.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: Aandraya,I wish I knew the answer to that. I don't know what the fibers are, but they are PROFUSE. I've heard that the fibers are 1) alive, 2) some sort of plastic or silicone, 3) unidentifiable material... I don't what to believe. One Morgellons doctor did believe that the fibers were living entities. I looked at many of them under scope and had hundreds of photos, but that doctor looked at them under 2000x power and my scope only went to 1000x. He said he could actually see sexual organs... I can't remember his name right off, but recently passed away I believe. I thought I saw growth in the fibers when I looked at the same slides months later, but I never saw any babies popping out of the fibers in the emersion oil. I've heard other people say they feel the fibers are being sucked into the skin and I saw that happen on my skin a few times. Black fiber on hand disappeared into the skin while I was watching it and it happened again on the opposite hand. So you are correct, this does happen. I cut some of those little pills off my underwear with a little device--I told you already about that. Still do it. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 10:27:54 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe LInda-What do you think the little pills on the fabric are- fungus or insects? I could never get my head around that. I do know that something was attaching to the fibers in my clothing and taking it into my skin.I think being in the sun this summer is helping to eradicate the fungus in my skin. Soon I'm going to do a trial run of Voriconazole instead of Itraconazole, see if I can hit this stuff in a big way.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Whatever we can do to remove moisture from the house is good; I can see why people initially use papertowels and disposable sheets (Kajay). Everything we had went into plastic bags for the first year after washing and drying and in my case, pressing with steam press. I'm realizing that the pressing helped to get rid of the molds that got on the clothing too or histoplasmosis, or Herpes viruses. Borax was a necessity and still use it along with Arm and Hammer detergent unscented. Everything is dried on "high" in dryer and high in washer. I did buy satin (inexpensive) sheets and pillow cases but they generate heat in the body and slip around on the bed as if in a vat of butter - so many things didn't quite work out and I tossed, but we all keep (or kept) trying to see what works. One day, maybe through someone like Kajay, there will be a magazine or book or journal outlining the best of the best procedures, products and techniques to fit multiple situations for most people with multiple bugs and various organisms. I am praying for that.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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I believe that Aandraya. When you think about how much stuff in our environment is plastic or silicone, that we microwave, that we drink out of, it would not surprise me that this is silicone. L.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 12:46:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

I had biopsies done of my lesions and the stuff coming out of my skin. A pathologist found nano-particles of silicone, the same stuff he found in patients with leaking breast implants! I think this is just one piece of the toxins in me.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Goldstein@... wrote: Aandraya,I wish I knew the answer to that. I don't know what the fibers are, but they are PROFUSE. I've heard that the fibers are 1) alive, 2) some sort of plastic or silicone, 3) unidentifiable material... I don't what to believe. One Morgellons doctor did believe that the fibers were living entities. I looked at many of them under scope and had hundreds of photos, but that doctor looked at them under 2000x power and my scope only went to 1000x. He said he could actually see sexual organs... I can't remember his name right off, but recently passed away I believe. I thought I saw growth in the fibers when I looked at the same slides months later, but I never saw any babies popping out of the fibers in the emersion oil. I've heard other people say they feel the fibers are being sucked into the skin and I saw that happen on my skin a few times. Black fiber on hand disappeared into the skin while I was watching it and it happened again on the opposite hand. So you are correct, this does happen. I cut some of those little pills off my underwear with a little device--I told you already about that. Still do it. From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 10:27:54 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe LInda-What do you think the little pills on the fabric are- fungus or insects? I could never get my head around that. I do know that something was attaching to the fibers in my clothing and taking it into my skin.I think being in the sun this summer is helping to eradicate the fungus in my skin. Soon I'm going to do a trial run of Voriconazole instead of Itraconazole, see if I can hit this stuff in a big way.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Whatever we can do to remove moisture from the house is good; I can see why people initially use papertowels and disposable sheets (Kajay). Everything we had went into plastic bags for the first year after washing and drying and in my case, pressing with steam press. I'm realizing that the pressing helped to get rid of the molds that got on the clothing too or histoplasmosis, or Herpes viruses. Borax was a necessity and still use it along with Arm and Hammer detergent unscented. Everything is dried on "high" in dryer and high in washer. I did buy satin (inexpensive) sheets and pillow cases but they generate heat in the body and slip around on the bed as if in a vat of butter - so many things didn't quite work out and I tossed, but we all keep (or kept) trying to see what works. One day, maybe through someone like Kajay, there will be a magazine or book or journal outlining the best of the best procedures, products and techniques to fit multiple situations for most people with multiple bugs and various organisms. I am praying for that.From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 8:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I agree, those are good ideas. When I was in the midst of this I used paper towels only to dry myself after a shower. I got rid of or put in plastic bags all things made of fabric or paper. I covered my bed with plastic and used a nylon shower curtain for a cover, even found a nylon/polyester pillow cover. Wash everything after wearing it once with the hottest water possible and Dr. Bonner's peppermint soap and Borax and dry everything on high heat in the dryer.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Goldstein@... wrote: Those are fantastic ideas. We use utility towels for showers or baths which are slightly larger than a hand towel and they are thin (Target). Those are washed and dried the same day - we keep the fan on in the bathroom for 1/2 hour at least to get all moisture out. All these ideas help to keep the rest of the house freer from molds. I dry sinks out too and try not to leave too much water in the shower on the walls and wipe off with towel after I've finished with it. Thanks .From: " Benton" <sarahbenton48@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 5:27:12 AMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe I bought a rack from Walmart and immediately hang my wet towel on it when done. I wash 6 towels at a time in the dryer, but none of them grow mold as they have time to dry out quickly. I replace my shower liner every 2 weeks with the cheap ones they sell for $2.50. I bought a small hand squeeze from Lowes and keep it in my bathroom. After a shower, I squeeze the bottom of the tub with 2 swipes so it will dry quickly. I bought a cheap suction soap dish from the dollar store, and stick it on the side of my tube to hold the curtain out when I am finished so the curtain doesn't fold and can dry quickly. Love and light, One thing is sticking out in my memory.My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem?If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > these two products!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > -- > > They shut the road through the woods> > Seventy years ago.> > Weather and rain have undone it again,> > And now you would never know> > There was once a road through the woods> > Before they planted the trees.> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,> > And the thin anemones.> > Only the keeper sees> > That, where the ring-dove broods,> > And the badgers roll at ease,> > There was once a road through the woods.> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods> > Of a summer evening late,> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools> > Where the otter whistles his mate.> > (They fear not men in the woods,> > Because they see so few)> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,> > Steadily cantering through> > The misty solitudes,> > As though they perfectly knew> > The old lost road through the woods….> > But there is no road through the woods.> > *> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling> >>

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You could do both, and yes I think that allicin is much more potent, but you have to take it at therapeutic doses and you will smell like garlic.AandrayaOn Aug 8, 2011, at 4:17 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: So you would suggest the allicin above the olive leaf extract? Would taking both be redundant you think or would they perhaps serve different purposes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to > > > > eliminate > > > > > > > > them using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > primarily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely > > appreciated... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > They shut the road through the woods > > > > > > > > > > Seventy years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > > > > > > > > > And now you would never know > > > > > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods > > > > > > > > > > Before they planted the trees. > > > > > > > > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > > > > > > > > > And the thin anemones. > > > > > > > > > > Only the keeper sees > > > > > > > > > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > > > > > > > > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > > > > > > > > > There was once a road through the woods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > > > > > > > > > Of a summer evening late, > > > > > > > > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > > > > > > > > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > > > > > > > > > (They fear not men in the woods, > > > > > > > > > > Because they see so few) > > > > > > > > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > > > > > > > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > > > > > > > > > Steadily cantering through > > > > > > > > > > The misty solitudes, > > > > > > > > > > As though they perfectly knew > > > > > > > > > > The old lost road through the woodsÃÆ'¢âââ > > ‚¬Å¡Ã > > > > ‚¬Ã‚¦. > > > > > > > > > > But there is no road through the woods. > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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S.Jay - you have gotten awesome advice.  I have been on vacation otherwise I would have weighed in earlier.  I had all the symptoms you described.  We did have birdmites (identified via clemson university) however we also had bacterial, viral and fungal infections that came along with the mites.  I used to have the black specs and white rice grains non-stop.  I could get out of the shower, rub my stomach with lotion and " produce " them out of my skin.  It was a crazy ride.  Here's a few ideas for you - there is an awesome little microscope at radio shack for like $12 - it works great - it is a little handheld thing and it is sold near their small gadgets and travel stuff.  Get it so you can see what is coming out of you and/or getting on you.  Use the Vics vapor rub on your nose, around your hairline, where ever you experience the worst of the crawling sensations at night - it really seems to stop them.  Head to your nearest free clinic or maybe even pay for a one time visit to urgent care - don't mention any bugs but tell them a scenario in which they would likely prescribe an anti-fungal and/or anti-bacterial (I was exposed to someone with impetigo, I have re-occuring skin issues, whatever you can come up with).  I know this is an expensive option but the sooner you are on this stuff the better.  Iron your clothing for now before wearing it if you get the biting feeling when you put on your clothing and use the tape rollers to do your sheets and your fabric materials each day.  Also, get something on your carpets asap (borax, roach proufe, etc).  We used a TON of chemicals (I am embarressed to admit this but in the beginning we were so desperate and just kept thinking there would be a simple fix to it all).  Of everything we used, Delta Dust in the wall voids, electrical sockets, floor cracks, etc.  was the best for our problem.  Use the swifer mop all the time.  Do a search on this site for car remedies.  Our situation improved a ton once we moved.  But, it caused great financial hardship.  Perhaps had we accepted our situation more quickly and fought it with a more multifacted approach from the get-go we might have been able to salvage our home.  I'll never know, I guess. 

Just keep asking questions and asking for support.  This is a great group.  On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:34 PM, s.jay8383 <s.jay8383@...> wrote:

 

I would like to see this as well please

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> > > > Before they planted the trees.

> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > > And the thin anemones.

> > > > Only the keeper sees

> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,

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> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods

> > > > Of a summer evening late,

> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > > > Because they see so few)

> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > > Steadily cantering through

> > > > The misty solitudes,

> > > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > > The old lost road through the woods….

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> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

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> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

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I can't wait to read that paper Krys. Thanks for you for your patience and perseverance. Jay, I do believe in the idea that we become marked as we become primary host so extra caution is needed in removal of a nest by you. There are long poles available at plant nurseries used for pruning tall trees--you might be able to purchase one or rent one--I'd wear a hazmat suit myself to dispose of it. Sent from my iPodOn Aug 8, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

, I found a paper the other day researching bacteria carried by red poultry mite (Dermanyssus gallinae), it also discusses the possibilty of bacteria being endosymbionts. I'll put it in a new thread in case you find it of interest. I've also found a paper on endosymbionts of ticks, which has already been demonstrated.

KrysOn 8 August 2011 09:45, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Yes, for most people fungus is a part of it and as Krys said, bird mites do carry bacterias and fungi. It is also my belief and not Krys's idea, that most insects today have been exposed to other toxins through chemtrails (aerospraying) in the form of agrobacterium, and heavy metals, and this has been pretty well substantiated. Occasionally a simple case of infestation of bird mites happens, but it is somewhat rare now compared to in the past. What we have now are many types of biting insects that are highly infected. I also agree with Aandraya that most of us have already been exposed or carry pre-existing bacteria, fungi, viruses, heavy metals toxicity which makes us more prone to an allergic reaction to the bites of bird mites, bed bugs (who now carry MRSA), and other avenues of transmission.

In the case of disposing of a nest I still say, apart from wearing gloves to get rid of the nest, liberal spraying first - this may be hard if the nest is in a tree, but because you Jay already have mites most likely, I would take more precautions than was described by Mel, that is, just wearing gloves. Sandy from this forum got rid of a nest and they crawled up onto her immediately upon disturbing of the nest.

From: "Aandraya Da Silva" <aandraya@...>bird mites

Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 10:40:34 PMSubject: Re: Re: Anyone had success with Tempo SC Ultra and/or Roach Prufe

Yes, I do think fungus is a part of the problem, but not all of it. On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:10 PM, s.jay8383 wrote: One thing is sticking out in my memory.

My ex left a wet towel hanging in the shower when I was gone. When I came back from traveling the shower curtain liners were covered with mold. I was so exhausted I slept in my bedroom that night before changing them out.

Do you think that fungus could have initiated the problem? If so, how do I eradicate the airborne spores? It has been a while... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita had said that she was able to eliminate them using

> > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > these two products! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any experiences sincerely appreciated... > > > > > > > > > >

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> > Seventy years ago. > > Weather and rain have undone it again, > > And now you would never know > > There was once a road through the woods > > Before they planted the trees.

> > It is underneath the coppice and heath, > > And the thin anemones. > > Only the keeper sees > > That, where the ring-dove broods, > > And the badgers roll at ease, > > There was once a road through the woods.

> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods > > Of a summer evening late, > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools > > Where the otter whistles his mate. > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > Because they see so few) > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew, > > Steadily cantering through > > The misty solitudes,

> > As though they perfectly knew > > The old lost road through the woods…. > > But there is no road through the woods. > > * > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

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-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling