Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Hi, Kajay!What is the F-5 yu´re getting such success with?CFrom: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 7:15:49 PMSubject: thanks, Krys Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajayFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My "lesions" are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the "older" mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 It is an experimental product - pretty expensive - but it is helping me.kajayFrom: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 3:41:15 PMSubject: Re: thanks, Krys Hi, Kajay!What is the F-5 yu´re getting such success with?CFrom: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 7:15:49 PMSubject: thanks, Krys Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajayFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My "lesions" are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the "older" mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Kayjay,Thanks for your response. I hope I don't make too much of a pain of myself trying to reinvent the wheel. I know what you mean in that you are the person being affected. In my mother's case she is the only person affected. She finds it so distressing & humiliated being treated like a nutter by doctors & consultants, being told she has delusional parasitosis & they'll take her to the psychiatrist where they can all sit & talk about it. And, here I am 4000 miles away trying to be able to " do something " to help her. I am a very logical person & I know,beyond a shadow of a doubt that my mother is not imagining what is happening to her; it would not be possible for her to imagine material thngs into being. I have the, possibly naive, idea that if I can prove to the doctors that something really is up & my mother is not imagining things, then perhaps they'll " do something " for her, after all patients health & welfare is supposed to be their job. So I sit here researching this & that, gathering stuff from peer reviewed journals to make a case, because I don't know what else I can do. Thanks for telling me what helps you control your environment. I am going to try to get some Tweetmint over to my Mother, please will you tell me the active ingredients in the dust mite control & insect growth inhibitor? My mother is having some success with Lysol, Borax, neem & lavender but that is only helping, it doesn't seem to be the whole answer. I don't even know, precisely what my mother has. Maybe, I'm looking at things the worng way; I always feel the need to understand what I am dealing with.All the bestKrys On 29 May 2011 12:15, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajay From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AM Subject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My " lesions " are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the " older " mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2011 Report Share Posted May 29, 2011 Hi!Where do you get hold of it? Is it harmful to other parts of your health? If we have gotten our bites back I will be willing to try... But of course not on my children.CFrom: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 11:23:42 PMSubject: Re: thanks, Krys It is an experimental product - pretty expensive - but it is helping me.kajayFrom: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 3:41:15 PMSubject: Re: thanks, Krys Hi, Kajay!What is the F-5 yu´re getting such success with?CFrom: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 7:15:49 PMSubject: thanks, Krys Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajayFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My "lesions" are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the "older" mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 Hi, Krys!I just wanted to say that having a son like you must be such a great support for your mother!CFrom: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:39:14 AMSubject: Re: thanks, Krys Kayjay,Thanks for your response. I hope I don't make too much of a pain of myself trying to reinvent the wheel. I know what you mean in that you are the person being affected. In my mother's case she is the only person affected. She finds it so distressing & humiliated being treated like a nutter by doctors & consultants, being told she has delusional parasitosis & they'll take her to the psychiatrist where they can all sit & talk about it. And, here I am 4000 miles away trying to be able to "do something" to help her. I am a very logical person & I know,beyond a shadow of a doubt that my mother is not imagining what is happening to her; it would not be possible for her to imagine material thngs into being. I have the, possibly naive, idea that if I can prove to the doctors that something really is up & my mother is not imagining things, then perhaps they'll "do something" for her, after all patients health & welfare is supposed to be their job. So I sit here researching this & that, gathering stuff from peer reviewed journals to make a case, because I don't know what else I can do. Thanks for telling me what helps you control your environment. I am going to try to get some Tweetmint over to my Mother, please will you tell me the active ingredients in the dust mite control & insect growth inhibitor? My mother is having some success with Lysol, Borax, neem & lavender but that is only helping, it doesn't seem to be the whole answer. I don't even know, precisely what my mother has. Maybe, I'm looking at things the worng way; I always feel the need to understand what I am dealing with.All the bestKrys On 29 May 2011 12:15, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajay From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AM Subject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My "lesions" are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the "older" mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2011 Report Share Posted May 30, 2011 That's kind of you to say so Cecilia, but in reality, I don't think anyone could leave their parents to cope alone when they are so close to dispair. I have a science background & hope to be able to make a case so someone in the medical profession will take my mother seriously. KrysOn 30 May 2011 01:06, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote: Hi, Krys!I just wanted to say that having a son like you must be such a great support for your mother! C From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 1:39:14 AMSubject: Re: thanks, Krys Kayjay,Thanks for your response. I hope I don't make too much of a pain of myself trying to reinvent the wheel. I know what you mean in that you are the person being affected. In my mother's case she is the only person affected. She finds it so distressing & humiliated being treated like a nutter by doctors & consultants, being told she has delusional parasitosis & they'll take her to the psychiatrist where they can all sit & talk about it. And, here I am 4000 miles away trying to be able to " do something " to help her. I am a very logical person & I know,beyond a shadow of a doubt that my mother is not imagining what is happening to her; it would not be possible for her to imagine material thngs into being. I have the, possibly naive, idea that if I can prove to the doctors that something really is up & my mother is not imagining things, then perhaps they'll " do something " for her, after all patients health & welfare is supposed to be their job. So I sit here researching this & that, gathering stuff from peer reviewed journals to make a case, because I don't know what else I can do. Thanks for telling me what helps you control your environment. I am going to try to get some Tweetmint over to my Mother, please will you tell me the active ingredients in the dust mite control & insect growth inhibitor? My mother is having some success with Lysol, Borax, neem & lavender but that is only helping, it doesn't seem to be the whole answer. I don't even know, precisely what my mother has. Maybe, I'm looking at things the worng way; I always feel the need to understand what I am dealing with.All the bestKrys On 29 May 2011 12:15, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Thanks re ivermectin, Krys. Been that route more than once, though I am sending you a hug for your thoughtfulness in sharing that. As for tests, I have performed my own. I need no physician's confirmation of what I already know, of what I was forced to learn how to investigate because my experience with this and with doctors has been fruitless. Also, this has been a long long uphill battle for me. It was many years before I stopped bombing my house with lethal sprays and realized that I was the only person it was happening to. By that time, it was too late for anything available at the time. I have spent roughly $750K on medications and preparations and protocols and tests, but the bottom line is, they own me. They are not just under my skin. They are in my blood, urine, organs. I like to believe the F-5 is getting rid of them, but I am not certain. However, I see enough signs that it is working, without harming me at least in the short run, to continue using it.For example, I am experiencing some phenomena that are new, that are common to F-5 users, and that seem to me to indicate that the critters are leaving my body in droves (thousands of tiny bloody exit wounds are one example, I find the evidence on my clothing even if the wound has dried too much to notice it as such on the skin itself. I have also found small gray cannonballs, aka black slime mold, both in my tear ducts and around my gold wedding ring. There is much more, but mainly there is the fact that from the first full day of treatment in March, I have not had a single lesion, only those tiny exit wounds, and before the F-5, I was getting one very bloody lesion on the top of my forearm every single day. Sometimes two. I will keep all of you posted. Thank you for your prayers and you certainly have mine. Let's all outlive these things.Hugs to you, again, Krys for caring. (((Krys)))kajay From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> bird mites Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 10:57:39 AM Subject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long Hello Kayjay,Do you have internal mites? That ought to be traceable by a doctor. I found the full paper, of which an abstract is at the bottom of the Birdmites.org research page. http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v9/i7/1621.htm This demonstrates that one ought to be able to prove the presence of internal mites by testing levels of immunoglobulin E (IgE). Levels of IgE can only mean a limited number of things, also, immunoglobulins (antibodies) tend to be specific to one particular antigen (foreign microorganism). So, for instance, antibodies with receptor sites for microoranism a, only join to microorganism a similarly antibodies for microorganism b, only join to microorganism b. A rise in IgE levels tend to be a response to allergies & this includes internal parasites. An IgE test ought to be able to prove precisely what your body is reacting to. So, with his test, your doctor ought to believe you. A prescription for something such as ivermectin ought to clear internal mites. KrysOn 29 May 2011 01:39, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Ladybugs are good from some pests but they can become a problem in themselves. Yes, the ant thing worked. My little brother came up with that. Blew our minds!! Thank you, , I know it will take me a long long time since I have such a deep infestation in my body. I'm not worried about my home. Once I clear them out of my body, then I will tackle it - for the umpteenth and hopefully last time. At this point, I really believe they are toast. Woo hoo!kajay From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:23:16 PMSubject: Re: Last 2 standing - but not for long You mean purposely bring ants to kill other ants? Then you're still left with the smaller ants, no? When I had an infestation of an unidentified mite/critter, I recall infesting someone else's home. At some point, when I returned to that home, there were lots of mites around, and one time I came across a mite being cornered by a bunch of ants. I loved ants ever since. I've also heard ladybugs are good for pests. On 5/3/2011 8:04 PM, goldstein wrote: Great to hear from you Katyjill! I so hope you are done with them soon too. Sent from my iPod On May 3, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Kajay109 <kajay109@...> wrote: Have any of you ever brought black ants - also known as sugar ants - into your yard to get rid of big red army ants? Those little sugar ants kick tail and take names. The Morgellons likewise kicked out all the freeloaders who jumped on or in me once the birdmites, my initial infestation, created a hospitable environment in my body for blood suckers in general. The black shiny weevils (I call them my sock critters) have been the only thing tough enough to hold onto their turf. I never find fiber critters in my socks - though they were everywhere else. Those little needle nose rascals are, however, gradually losing their foithold now From: Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...>; <bird mites >; Subject: Re: How to diagnose? Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 3:56:56 AM Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My " lesions " are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had. If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the " older " mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections. I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here. If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it. There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her. How to diagnose? It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite? Thanks Krys -- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking. I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying, And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying. I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife; And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling -- They shut the road through the woods Seventy years ago. Weather and rain have undone it again, And now you would never know There was once a road through the woods Before they planted the trees. It is underneath the coppice and heath, And the thin anemones. Only the keeper sees That, where the ring-dove broods, And the badgers roll at ease, There was once a road through the woods. Yet, if you enter the woods Of a summer evening late, When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools Where the otter whistles his mate. (They fear not men in the woods, Because they see so few) You will hear the beat of a horse's feet, And the swish of a skirt in the dew, Steadily cantering through The misty solitudes, As though they perfectly knew The old lost road through the woods…. But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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