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I took a borax bath in 1 cup per bath tub , soaked for 30 mins , rinsed &

draied tub , then refilled & added 2 tbls coconut oil form the grocers next to

the olive oil & all crawling stopped for 2 years now , iHad crawling for 3

years at leastt before that nite Praise God .

Also baking soda puffed on surface stops all bugs & makes them go

God bless you ,

Bill

ps Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent 1 cup per gallon detsroys this bug

very well . 1 cup of it in the bath heals lesions fast

On Mon May 23rd, 2011 3:24 PM EDT hate_mites2 wrote:

>Hi Rob,

>Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate

>others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the

>mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird

>mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was

>dark and large enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.

>

>Regarding your questions:

> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of

>our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their

>exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay

>long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears,

>nostrils, etc.

> * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many

>species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified.

> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a

>personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

>department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the

>CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do

>not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be

>their area of interest.

> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

>eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that,

>but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of

>life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts,

>etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his

>colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process

>of writing about his ordeal.

>

>Thanks again and continued success here,

>Tim

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still a

>little

>> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.

>>

>>

>>

>> I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two

>years

>> since the " devils bugs " left me alone. I wrote this last year and have

>added

>> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to

>send.

>> But I am sending it anyway.

>>

>>

>>

>> I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a

>neighbouring

>> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear

>blue sky

>> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young

>pigeons

>> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into

>refuse

>> bags.

>>

>> Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my

>legs and

>> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by

>a

>> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner

>near a

>> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny

> " pin

>> head size bugs " on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The

>> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest &

>private

>> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling

>> sensation all over my body.

>>

>>

>>

>> While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling

>> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly

>visit

>> for a cup of good old " English Tea " and a chat and said she had

>been bitten

>> by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her dog.

>On

>> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small

>bite

>> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens

>but

>> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a

>few bugs

>> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like

>tiny

>> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was

>horrified to

>> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant

>pots

>> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around.

>On

>> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the

>hairs

>> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with " Dettol "

>> disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they

>were back

>> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.

>>

>>

>>

>> I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin

>store to

>> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up

>close I

>> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack

>of

>> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I

>found

>> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of

>these

>> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through

>site

>> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against

>these

>> EVIL little bugs.

>>

>>

>>

>> After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil.

>I

>> have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up

>with a

>> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting

>point

>> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking

>on the

>> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really

>does

>> help.

>>

>>

>>

>> First on the list was to visit my local " Pets at Home " mega store

>which by

>> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on

>about

>> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just

>ask

>> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later

>I was

>> asked to describe the " bug " in detail, again he disappeared outback

>and

>> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from " outback "

>had

>> completed a course on animal parasites and my " bugs " are Bird Lice

>(mites)

>> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host

>after

>> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.

>>

>>

>>

>> I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many

>Ideas

>> on the internet.

>>

>>

>>

>> Product List

>>

>> * " Livestock Louse Powder " covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small

>> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)

>>

>> * " Raid " Ant & Cockroach Killer by

>>

>> * 4 cans of " Arrid " Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)

>>

>> * " Maplin " 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)

>>

>> * " Dettol " surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

>> them)

>>

>> * Menthol crystals (Chemist)

>>

>> * " Vics " menthol rub

>>

>> * Zip up mattress bedbug cover

>>

>> * Latex gloves

>>

>> * Veruca socks

>>

>> * Lavender burning sticks

>>

>> * " Herbalife " Herbal Aloe products

>>

>> * Large Magnifying glass

>>

>> * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to

>> stop BL crawling out)

>>

>> * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive

>> attitude!

>>

>> Some of the above may be UK only.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> What I have done

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call " BL "

>were only

>> present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to

>contain

>> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to

>feed

>> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts

>of my

>> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it

>was a

>> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)

>>

>> I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited

>so

>> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I

>showered,

>> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get

>bitten

>> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the

>Conditioner as I

>> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my

>shower

>> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to go

>out.

>>

>>

>>

>> First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment

>including

>> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air

>tight bags

>> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid

>Ant &

>> Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom

>(try

>> to do this in the same day if you have time)

>>

>> I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask

>myself

>> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.

>>

>> Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in

>clear bags

>> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything

>thoroughly top

>> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over as

>did

>> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,

>> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed

>under the

>> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance)

>I

>> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting

>boards,

>> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from

>the

>> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After

>reassembling

>> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful

>not to

>> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid

>about

>> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did

>> nothing to the BLs.

>>

>>

>>

>> * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

>>

>> * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics

>> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin

>while

>> cleaning.

>>

>> * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

>>

>>

>> * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this

>> may also help as my children did not get bites.

>>

>> * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

>> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when

>not in

>> use.

>>

>> * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope

>> using clear tape to trap some mites.

>>

>> * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I

>> recommend a mask.

>>

>> * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved

>> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

>>

>> * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even

>> walking around could spread them.

>>

>>

>>

>> I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing

>was

>> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be

>aware

>> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can

>tell.

>> Keep doing the above until you see results.

>>

>> As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.

>>

>> On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting

>to

>> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my

>face

>> through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could

>see

>> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.

>>

>> My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil

>in my

>> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue

>oil

>> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.

>>

>>

>>

>> At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a

>large pot

>> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old

>found

>> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a

>few

>> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few

>weeks.

>>

>> I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL

>but

>> without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the

>> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my

>bedroom)

>>

>>

>>

>> After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead

>BL

>> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very

>sensitive

>> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to

>capture

>> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of

>sticking

>> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found

>black/blue

>> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of

>my

>> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see

>what was

>> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and

>some

>> yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the

>fibres

>> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day.

>(I

>> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get

>similar

>> results)

>>

>>

>>

>> It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have

>gone but I

>> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have

>> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel

>crawling is

>> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I

>believe

>> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which

>I will

>> now deal with.

>>

>>

>>

>> Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps

>just one

>> person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them

>back to

>> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product

>strategy

>> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing

>winters

>> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull

>through.

>> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can

>quickly

>> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I

>hope

>> that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

>>

>> I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake

>up

>> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less

>but I

>> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

>>

>>

>>

>> The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt

>completely lost and

>> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but

>positive

>> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten

>there is

>> always a way if you are persistent.

>>

>>

>>

>> I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that

>Satin is

>> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of

>ladies

>> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped

>the

>> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be

>close

>> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's

>satin

>> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not

>a

>> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be

>honest

>> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my

>wife

>> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals

>and

>> waterproofs so no big deal.

>>

>>

>>

>> Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up

>furniture legs

>> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (

>vacuum

>> ceiling thoroughly)

>>

>>

>>

>> Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the

>fight!

>>

>> _________________________________________________________

>>

>>

>>

>> Some questions I don't understand.

>>

>>

>>

>> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

>> bodies?

>>

>> * Are we all infested with the same bug?

>>

>> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal

>> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

>department,

>> WHO, Museum, etc????

>>

>> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

>> eradicate it, do rich people get affected?

>>

>> * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?

>>

>> May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but

>only

>> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV

>and PC

>> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found

>on my

>> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say

>you

>> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or stupid

>but

>> try them anyway.

>>

>>

>>

>> I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my

>doing)

>> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every

>weekend. I

>> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a

>> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old).

>My 36

>> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was

>teaching me

>> about persistence in life.

>>

>>

>>

>> The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of

>> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant

>life.

>> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.

>>

>> Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or

>touching your

>> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.

>>

>>

>>

>> I will try to answer any questions.

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards Rob

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Did you get any burning when you did this - I tried it once and my whole body turned red and swollen for two day, especially my legs.

From: Doe <doe1769@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:16 PMSubject: Re: Re: Mites Eradicated...thanks for sharing!

Hi I took a borax bath in 1 cup per bath tub , soaked for 30 mins , rinsed & draied tub , then refilled & added 2 tbls coconut oil form the grocers next to the olive oil & all crawling stopped for 2 years now , iHad crawling for 3 years at leastt before that nite Praise God . Also baking soda puffed on surface stops all bugs & makes them go God bless you , Billps Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent 1 cup per gallon detsroys this bug very well . 1 cup of it in the bath heals lesions fastOn Mon May 23rd, 2011 3:24 PM EDT hate_mites2 wrote:>Hi Rob,>Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate>others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the>mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird>mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was>dark and large

enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.>>Regarding your questions:> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of>our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their>exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay>long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears,>nostrils, etc.> * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many>species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified.> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a>personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health>department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the>CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do>not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be>their area of

interest.> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to>eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that,>but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of>life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts,>etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his>colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process>of writing about his ordeal.>>Thanks again and continued success here,>Tim>>>>>>>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still

a>little>> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.>>>>>>>> I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two>years>> since the "devils bugs" left me alone. I wrote this last year and have>added>> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to>send.>> But I am sending it anyway.>>>>>>>> I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a>neighbouring>> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear>blue sky>> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young>pigeons>> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into>refuse>> bags.>>>> Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching

my>legs and>> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by>a>> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner>near a>> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny>"pin>> head size bugs" on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The>> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest & >private>> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling>> sensation all over my body.>>>>>>>> While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling>> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly>visit>> for a cup of good old "English Tea" and a chat and said she had>been bitten>> by something to which I said she must have a

flea on her from her dog.>On>> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small>bite>> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens>but>> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a>few bugs>> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like>tiny>> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was>horrified to>> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant>pots>> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around.>On>> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the>hairs>> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with "Dettol">> disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they>were

back>> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.>>>>>>>> I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin>store to>> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up>close I>> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack>of>> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I>found>> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of>these>> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through>site>> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against>these>> EVIL little bugs.>>>>>>>> After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil.>I>> have been learning about positive

thinking power and had signed up>with a>> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting>point>> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking>on the>> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really>does>> help.>>>>>>>> First on the list was to visit my local "Pets at Home" mega store>which by>> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on>about>> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just>ask>> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later>I was>> asked to describe the "bug" in detail, again he disappeared outback>and>> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from "outback">had>> completed a

course on animal parasites and my "bugs" are Bird Lice>(mites)>> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host>after>> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.>>>>>>>> I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many>Ideas>> on the internet.>>>>>>>> Product List>>>> * "Livestock Louse Powder" covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small>> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)>>>> * "Raid" Ant & Cockroach Killer by >>>> * 4 cans of "Arrid" Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)>>>> * "Maplin" 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)>>>> * "Dettol" surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown>>

them)>>>> * Menthol crystals (Chemist)>>>> * "Vics" menthol rub>>>> * Zip up mattress bedbug cover>>>> * Latex gloves>>>> * Veruca socks>>>> * Lavender burning sticks>>>> * "Herbalife" Herbal Aloe products>>>> * Large Magnifying glass>>>> * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to>> stop BL crawling out)>>>> * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive>> attitude!>>>> Some of the above may be UK only.>>>>>>>>>>>> What I have done>>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call "BL">were only>> present in my

bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to>contain>> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to>feed>> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts>of my>> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it>was a>> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)>>>> I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited>so>> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I>showered,>> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get>bitten>> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the>Conditioner as I>> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my>shower>> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me

when ready to go>out.>>>>>>>> First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment>including>> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air>tight bags>> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid>Ant & >> Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom>(try>> to do this in the same day if you have time)>>>> I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask>myself>> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.>>>> Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in>clear bags>> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything>thoroughly top>> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over

as>did>> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,>> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed>under the>> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance)>I>> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting>boards,>> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from>the>> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After>reassembling>> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful>not to>> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid>about>> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did>> nothing to the BLs.>>>>>>>> * Wash bed sheets as often as

possible.>>>> * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics>> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin>while>> cleaning.>>>> * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.>>>>>> * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this>> may also help as my children did not get bites.>>>> * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid>> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when>not in>> use.>>>> * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope>> using clear tape to trap some mites.>>>> * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I>> recommend a mask.>>>>

* Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved>> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)>>>> * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even>> walking around could spread them.>>>>>>>> I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing>was>> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be>aware>> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can>tell.>> Keep doing the above until you see results.>>>> As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.>>>> On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting>to>> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my>face>> through the nights

only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could>see>> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.>>>> My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil>in my>> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue>oil>> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.>>>>>>>> At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a>large pot>> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old>found>> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a>few>> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few>weeks.>>>> I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL>but>> without a lab to

test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the>> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my>bedroom)>>>>>>>> After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead>BL>> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very>sensitive>> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to>capture>> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of>sticking>> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found>black/blue>> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of>my>> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see>what was>> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and>some>> yellow flat looking

fibres on her face. I can only think that the>fibres>> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day.>(I>> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get>similar>> results)>>>>>>>> It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have>gone but I>> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have>> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel>crawling is>> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I>believe>> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which>I will>> now deal with.>>>>>>>> Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps>just one>> person I'm happy. My worry

was my kids being bitten or carrying them>back to>> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product>strategy>> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing>winters>> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull>through.>> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can>quickly>> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I>hope>> that the above products can take them out before they evolve.>>>> I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake>up>> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less>but I>> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.>>>>>>>> The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's

lives and I felt>completely lost and>> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but>positive>> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten>there is>> always a way if you are persistent.>>>>>>>> I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that>Satin is>> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of>ladies>> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped>the>> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be>close>> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's>satin>> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not>a>> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to

be>honest>> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my>wife>> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals>and>> waterproofs so no big deal.>>>>>>>> Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up>furniture legs>> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (>vacuum>> ceiling thoroughly)>>>>>>>> Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the>fight!>>>> _________________________________________________________>>>>>>>> Some questions I don't understand.>>>>>>>> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our>> bodies?>>>> * Are we all

infested with the same bug?>>>> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal>> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health>department,>> WHO, Museum, etc????>>>> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to>> eradicate it, do rich people get affected?>>>> * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?>>>> May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but>only>> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV>and PC>> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found>on my>> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say>you>> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or

stupid>but>> try them anyway.>>>>>>>> I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my>doing)>> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every>weekend. I>> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a>> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old).>My 36>> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was>teaching me>> about persistence in life.>>>>>>>> The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of>> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant>life.>> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.>>>> Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or>touching

your>> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.>>>>>>>> I will try to answer any questions.>>>>>>>> Regards Rob>>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------\>---->>>----------------------------------------------------------\>---->> ------------------------------------------------->>>

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Hi Doris

Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent is rough on the open sores like soap is

in an open cut . , but the 2nd bath the next day didn't burn at all since the

1st bath closed up the sores , after that I never felt a thing . Also a & h is

great for the hair to stop scalp itches . I makes the hair a littl dry so I bung

my head in the tubw/ 2 tbls cococnut oil & leave it on over nite & that softens

the hair & kills even move bugs .. ..

God bl.ess you Doris ,

Bill

On Tue May 24th, 2011 10:10 AM EDT Doris Kennedy wrote:

>Did you get any burning when you did this - I tried it once and my whole body

>turned red and swollen for two day, especially my legs.

>

>

>

>

>________________________________

>From: Doe <doe1769@...>

>bird mites

>Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 11:37:16 PM

>Subject: Re: Re: Mites Eradicated...thanks for sharing!

>

>Hi

>

>I took a borax bath in 1 cup per bath tub , soaked for 30 mins , rinsed &

draied

>tub , then refilled & added 2 tbls coconut oil form the grocers next to the

>olive oil & all crawling stopped for 2 years now , iHad crawling for 3 years at

>leastt before that nite Praise God .

>

>Also baking soda puffed on surface stops all bugs & makes them go

>

>God bless you ,

>

>Bill

>

>ps Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent 1 cup per gallon detsroys this bug

>very well . 1 cup of it in the bath heals lesions fast

>

>On Mon May 23rd, 2011 3:24 PM EDT hate_mites2 wrote:

>

>>Hi Rob,

>>Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate

>>others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the

>>mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird

>>mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was

>>dark and large enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.

>>

>>Regarding your questions:

>> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of

>>our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their

>>exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay

>>long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears,

>>nostrils, etc.

>> * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many

>>species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified.

>> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a

>>personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

>>department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the

>>CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do

>>not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be

>>their area of interest.

>> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

>>eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that,

>>but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of

>>life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts,

>>etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his

>>colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process

>>of writing about his ordeal.

>>

>>Thanks again and continued success here,

>>Tim

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still a

>>little

>>> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two

>>years

>>> since the " devils bugs " left me alone. I wrote this last year and have

>>added

>>> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to

>>send.

>>> But I am sending it anyway.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a

>>neighbouring

>>> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear

>>blue sky

>>> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young

>>pigeons

>>> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into

>>refuse

>>> bags.

>>>

>>> Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my

>>legs and

>>> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by

>>a

>>> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner

>>near a

>>> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny

>> " pin

>>> head size bugs " on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The

>>> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest &

>>private

>>> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling

>>> sensation all over my body.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling

>>> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly

>>visit

>>> for a cup of good old " English Tea " and a chat and said she had

>>been bitten

>>> by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her dog.

>>On

>>> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small

>>bite

>>> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens

>>but

>>> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a

>>few bugs

>>> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like

>>tiny

>>> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was

>>horrified to

>>> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant

>>pots

>>> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around.

>>On

>>> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the

>>hairs

>>> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with " Dettol "

>>> disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they

>>were back

>>> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin

>>store to

>>> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up

>>close I

>>> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack

>>of

>>> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I

>>found

>>> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of

>>these

>>> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through

>>site

>>> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against

>>these

>>> EVIL little bugs.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil.

>>I

>>> have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up

>>with a

>>> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting

>>point

>>> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking

>>on the

>>> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really

>>does

>>> help.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> First on the list was to visit my local " Pets at Home " mega store

>>which by

>>> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on

>>about

>>> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just

>>ask

>>> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later

>>I was

>>> asked to describe the " bug " in detail, again he disappeared outback

>>and

>>> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from " outback "

>>had

>>> completed a course on animal parasites and my " bugs " are Bird Lice

>>(mites)

>>> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host

>>after

>>> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many

>>Ideas

>>> on the internet.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Product List

>>>

>>> * " Livestock Louse Powder " covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small

>>> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)

>>>

>>> * " Raid " Ant & Cockroach Killer by

>>>

>>> * 4 cans of " Arrid " Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)

>>>

>>> * " Maplin " 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)

>>>

>>> * " Dettol " surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

>>> them)

>>>

>>> * Menthol crystals (Chemist)

>>>

>>> * " Vics " menthol rub

>>>

>>> * Zip up mattress bedbug cover

>>>

>>> * Latex gloves

>>>

>>> * Veruca socks

>>>

>>> * Lavender burning sticks

>>>

>>> * " Herbalife " Herbal Aloe products

>>>

>>> * Large Magnifying glass

>>>

>>> * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to

>>> stop BL crawling out)

>>>

>>> * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive

>>> attitude!

>>>

>>> Some of the above may be UK only.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> What I have done

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call " BL "

>>were only

>>> present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to

>>contain

>>> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to

>>feed

>>> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts

>>of my

>>> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it

>>was a

>>> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)

>>>

>>> I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited

>>so

>>> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I

>>showered,

>>> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get

>>bitten

>>> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the

>>Conditioner as I

>>> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my

>>shower

>>> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to go

>>out.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment

>>including

>>> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air

>>tight bags

>>> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid

>>Ant &

>>> Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom

>>(try

>>> to do this in the same day if you have time)

>>>

>>> I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask

>>myself

>>> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.

>>>

>>> Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in

>>clear bags

>>> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything

>>thoroughly top

>>> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over as

>>did

>>> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,

>>> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed

>>under the

>>> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance)

>>I

>>> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting

>>boards,

>>> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from

>>the

>>> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After

>>reassembling

>>> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful

>>not to

>>> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid

>>about

>>> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did

>>> nothing to the BLs.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

>>>

>>> * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics

>>> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin

>>while

>>> cleaning.

>>>

>>> * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

>>>

>>>

>>> * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this

>>> may also help as my children did not get bites.

>>>

>>> * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

>>> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when

>>not in

>>> use.

>>>

>>> * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope

>>> using clear tape to trap some mites.

>>>

>>> * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I

>>> recommend a mask.

>>>

>>> * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved

>>> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

>>>

>>> * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even

>>> walking around could spread them.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing

>>was

>>> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be

>>aware

>>> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can

>>tell.

>>> Keep doing the above until you see results.

>>>

>>> As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.

>>>

>>> On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting

>>to

>>> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my

>>face

>>> through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could

>>see

>>> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.

>>>

>>> My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil

>>in my

>>> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue

>>oil

>>> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a

>>large pot

>>> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old

>>found

>>> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a

>>few

>>> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few

>>weeks.

>>>

>>> I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL

>>but

>>> without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the

>>> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my

>>bedroom)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead

>>BL

>>> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very

>>sensitive

>>> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to

>>capture

>>> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of

>>sticking

>>> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found

>>black/blue

>>> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of

>>my

>>> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see

>>what was

>>> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and

>>some

>>> yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the

>>fibres

>>> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day.

>>(I

>>> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get

>>similar

>>> results)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have

>>gone but I

>>> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have

>>> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel

>>crawling is

>>> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I

>>believe

>>> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which

>>I will

>>> now deal with.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps

>>just one

>>> person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them

>>back to

>>> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product

>>strategy

>>> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing

>>winters

>>> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull

>>through.

>>> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can

>>quickly

>>> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I

>>hope

>>> that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

>>>

>>> I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake

>>up

>>> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less

>>but I

>>> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt

>>completely lost and

>>> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but

>>positive

>>> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten

>>there is

>>> always a way if you are persistent.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that

>>Satin is

>>> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of

>>ladies

>>> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped

>>the

>>> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be

>>close

>>> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's

>>satin

>>> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not

>>a

>>> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be

>>honest

>>> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my

>>wife

>>> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals

>>and

>>> waterproofs so no big deal.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up

>>furniture legs

>>> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (

>>vacuum

>>> ceiling thoroughly)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the

>>fight!

>>>

>>> _________________________________________________________

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Some questions I don't understand.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

>>> bodies?

>>>

>>> * Are we all infested with the same bug?

>>>

>>> * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal

>>> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

>>department,

>>> WHO, Museum, etc????

>>>

>>> * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

>>> eradicate it, do rich people get affected?

>>>

>>> * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?

>>>

>>> May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but

>>only

>>> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV

>>and PC

>>> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found

>>on my

>>> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say

>>you

>>> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or stupid

>>but

>>> try them anyway.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my

>>doing)

>>> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every

>>weekend. I

>>> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a

>>> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old).

>>My 36

>>> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was

>>teaching me

>>> about persistence in life.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of

>>> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant

>>life.

>>> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.

>>>

>>> Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or

>>touching your

>>> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I will try to answer any questions.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Regards Rob

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>----------------------------------------------------------\

>>----

>>>

>>----------------------------------------------------------\

>>----

>>> -------------------------------------------------

>>>

>>

>

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