Re: Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

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Dear Tim and Rob,Tim, I agree with most of what you are saying about bird mites, BUT, mites do carry Lyme disease and co-infections. Mites bite birds who are the largest carriers of Lyme disease now I believe, not just ticks and The #1 reason why Lyme disease is spreading exponentially all over the globe. This is how my husband and I got Lyme disease and co-infections. Many people who had bird mites or rodent mites do end up with Lyme disease and co-infections. Also thank you for the fine work you do. And thank you Rob for your great email. Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

Hi Rob,Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was dark and large enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.Regarding your questions: * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears, nostrils, etc. * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified. * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be their area of interest. * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that, but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts, etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process of writing about his ordeal. Thanks again and continued success here,Tim

>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still a little> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.> > > > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two years> since the "devils bugs" left me alone. I wrote this last year and have added> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to send.> But I am sending it anyway.> > > > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a neighbouring> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear blue sky> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young pigeons> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into refuse> bags. > > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my legs and> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by a> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner near a> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny "pin> head size bugs" on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest & private> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling> sensation all over my body. > > > > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly visit> for a cup of good old "English Tea" and a chat and said she had been bitten> by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her dog. On> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small bite> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens but> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a few bugs> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like tiny> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was horrified to> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant pots> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around. On> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the hairs> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with "Dettol"> disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they were back> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.> > > > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin store to> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up close I> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack of> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I found> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of these> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through site> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against these> EVIL little bugs.> > > > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil. I> have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up with a> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting point> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking on the> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really does> help.> > > > First on the list was to visit my local "Pets at Home" mega store which by> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on about> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just ask> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later I was> asked to describe the "bug" in detail, again he disappeared outback and> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from "outback" had> completed a course on animal parasites and my "bugs" are Bird Lice (mites)> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host after> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.> > > > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many Ideas> on the internet.> > > > Product List > > * "Livestock Louse Powder" covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer) > > * "Raid" Ant & Cockroach Killer by > > * 4 cans of "Arrid" Extra Dry ( Did not work for me) > > * "Maplin" 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better) > > * "Dettol" surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown> them) > > * Menthol crystals (Chemist) > > * "Vics" menthol rub > > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover > > * Latex gloves > > * Veruca socks > > * Lavender burning sticks > > * "Herbalife" Herbal Aloe products > > * Large Magnifying glass > > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to> stop BL crawling out) > > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive> attitude!> > Some of the above may be UK only.> > > > > > What I have done> > > > > > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call "BL" were only> present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to contain> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to feed> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts of my> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it was a> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body) > > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited so> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I showered,> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get bitten> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the Conditioner as I> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my shower> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to go out.> > > > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment including> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air tight bags> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid Ant & > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom (try> to do this in the same day if you have time)> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask myself> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in clear bags> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything thoroughly top> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over as did> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed under the> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance) I> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting boards,> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from the> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After reassembling> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful not to> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid about> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did> nothing to the BLs. > > > > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible. > > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin while> cleaning. > > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.> > > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this> may also help as my children did not get bites. > > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when not in> use. > > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope> using clear tape to trap some mites. > > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I> recommend a mask. > > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair) > > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even> walking around could spread them.> > > > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing was> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be aware> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can tell.> Keep doing the above until you see results.> > As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work. > > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting to> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my face> through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could see> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape. > > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil in my> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue oil> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it. > > > > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a large pot> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old found> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a few> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few weeks.> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL but> without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my bedroom)> > > > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead BL> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very sensitive> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to capture> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of sticking> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found black/blue> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of my> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see what was> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and some> yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the fibres> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day. (I> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get similar> results) > > > > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone but I> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel crawling is> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I believe> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which I will> now deal with.> > > > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps just one> person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them back to> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product strategy> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing winters> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull through.> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can quickly> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I hope> that the above products can take them out before they evolve. > > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake up> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less but I> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped. > > > > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely lost and> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but positive> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten there is> always a way if you are persistent.> > > > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that Satin is> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of ladies> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped the> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be close> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's satin> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not a> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be honest> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my wife> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals and> waterproofs so no big deal.> > > > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up furniture legs> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body ( vacuum> ceiling thoroughly)> > > > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the fight!> > _________________________________________________________> > > > Some questions I don't understand.> > > > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our> bodies? > > * Are we all infested with the same bug? > > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department,> WHO, Museum, etc???? > > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to> eradicate it, do rich people get affected? > > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but only> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV and PC> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found on my> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say you> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or stupid but> try them anyway.> > > > I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my doing)> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every weekend. I> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old). My 36> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was teaching me> about persistence in life.> > > > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant life.> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or touching your> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.> > > > I will try to answer any questions.> > > > Regards Rob> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ------------------------------------------------->

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Hi There are one or two scientfic papers naming bird mites as vectors for a few diseases. I have also read abstracts from papers on mosquitoes carrying Lymes.How lucky I am that, thus far, bird mites have not interested in bitng me (touch wood). It is strange how some poeple are affected & not others. I've had Northern Fowl Mites on my hands & arms several times. But, unfortunately, the mozzies love me.

KrysOn 23 May 2011 20:00, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

Dear Tim and Rob,Tim, I agree with most of what you are saying about bird mites, BUT, mites do carry Lyme disease and co-infections.  Mites bite birds who are the largest carriers of Lyme disease now I believe, not just ticks and The #1 reason why Lyme disease is spreading exponentially all over the globe.  This is how my husband and I got Lyme disease and co-infections.  Many people who had bird mites or rodent mites do end up with Lyme disease and co-infections. 

Also thank you for the fine work you do.  And thank you Rob for your great email.   Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

 

Hi Rob,Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was dark and large enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.

Regarding your questions:        * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears, nostrils, etc.

        * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified.        * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be their area of interest.

        * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that, but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts, etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process of writing about his ordeal.

       Thanks again and continued success here,Tim

 

>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still a little

> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.> > > > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two years> since the " devils bugs " left me alone. I wrote this last year and have added

> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to send.> But I am sending it anyway.> > > > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a neighbouring

> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear blue sky> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young pigeons> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into refuse

> bags. > > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my legs and> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by a> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner near a

> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny " pin> head size bugs " on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest & private

> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling> sensation all over my body. > > > > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly visit

> for a cup of good old " English Tea " and a chat and said she had been bitten> by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her dog. On> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small bite

> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens but> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a few bugs> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like tiny

> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was horrified to> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant pots> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around. On

> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the hairs> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with " Dettol " > disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they were back

> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.> > > > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin store to> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up close I

> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack of> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I found> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of these

> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through site> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against these> EVIL little bugs.> > > > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil. I

> have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up with a> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting point> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking on the

> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really does> help.> > > > First on the list was to visit my local " Pets at Home " mega store which by> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on about

> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just ask> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later I was> asked to describe the " bug " in detail, again he disappeared outback and

> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from " outback " had> completed a course on animal parasites and my " bugs " are Bird Lice (mites)> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host after

> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.> > > > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many Ideas> on the internet.>

> > > Product List > > * " Livestock Louse Powder " covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer) > > * " Raid " Ant & Cockroach Killer by

> > * 4 cans of " Arrid " Extra Dry ( Did not work for me) > > * " Maplin " 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better) > > * " Dettol " surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

> them) > > * Menthol crystals (Chemist) > > * " Vics " menthol rub > > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover > > * Latex gloves > > * Veruca socks

> > * Lavender burning sticks > > * " Herbalife " Herbal Aloe products > > * Large Magnifying glass > > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to

> stop BL crawling out) > > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive> attitude!> > Some of the above may be UK only.> > > > >

> What I have done> > > > > > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call " BL " were only> present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to contain

> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to feed> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts of my> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it was a

> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body) > > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited so> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I showered,

> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get bitten> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the Conditioner as I> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my shower

> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to go out.> > > > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment including> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air tight bags

> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid Ant & > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom (try> to do this in the same day if you have time)

> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask myself> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in clear bags

> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything thoroughly top> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over as did> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,

> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed under the> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance) I> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting boards,

> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from the> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After reassembling> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful not to

> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid about> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did> nothing to the BLs. > > > > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

> > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin while> cleaning. > > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

> > > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this> may also help as my children did not get bites. > > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when not in> use. > > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope> using clear tape to trap some mites.

> > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I> recommend a mask. > > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

> > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even> walking around could spread them.> > > > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing was

> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be aware> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can tell.> Keep doing the above until you see results.>

> As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work. > > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting to> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my face

> through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could see> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape. > > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil in my

> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue oil> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it. > > > > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a large pot

> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old found> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a few> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few weeks.

> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL but> without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my bedroom)

> > > > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead BL> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very sensitive> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to capture

> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of sticking> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found black/blue> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of my

> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see what was> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and some> yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the fibres

> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day. (I> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get similar> results) > > > > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone but I

> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel crawling is> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I believe

> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which I will> now deal with.> > > > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps just one

> person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them back to

> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product strategy> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing winters> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull through.

> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can quickly> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I hope> that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

> > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake up> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less but I> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

> > > > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely lost and> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but positive> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten there is

> always a way if you are persistent.> > > > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that Satin is> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of ladies

> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped the> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be close> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's satin

> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not a> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be honest> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my wife

> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals and> waterproofs so no big deal.> > > > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up furniture legs

> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body ( vacuum> ceiling thoroughly)> > > > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the fight!>

> _________________________________________________________> > > > Some questions I don't understand.> > > > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

> bodies? > > * Are we all infested with the same bug? > > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department,

> WHO, Museum, etc???? > > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to> eradicate it, do rich people get affected? > > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?

> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but only> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV and PC> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found on my

> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say you> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or stupid but> try them anyway.> > >

> I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my doing)

> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every weekend. I> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old). My 36

> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was teaching me> about persistence in life.> > > > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of

> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant life.> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or touching your

> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.> > > > I will try to answer any questions.> > > > Regards Rob> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ------------------------------------------------->

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

[Guest guest]

So true dear. I too believe that the mites vector Morgellons in many instances. The mites came first here. Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

Hi ,

Yes, you are corect, mites do carry pathogens and are documented as

transmitting disease to humans on occassion. I would hope the CDC had

the time to look more fully into them, but I know they would state that,

normally bird mites are not a threat to people, and so their priorities

will be to more contagious organisms, and vectors. I also feel that

Morgellons has been vectored from mites as many of those afflicted first

had to deal with some type of mite before the fibers and lesions

occured.

Tim

> >

> > Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still

a little

> > intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over

two years

> > since the "devils bugs" left me alone. I wrote this last year and

have added

> > and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to

send.

> > But I am sending it anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a

neighbouring

> > porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear

blue sky

> > I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young

pigeons

> > perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into

refuse

> > bags.

> >

> > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my

legs and

> > arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten

by a

> > mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom

corner near a

> > large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see

tiny "pin

> > head size bugs" on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue.

The

> > itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest &

private

> > area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling

> > sensation all over my body.

> >

> >

> >

> > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a

crawling

> > sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her

weekly visit

> > for a cup of good old "English Tea" and a chat and said she had been

bitten

> > by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her

dog. On

> > her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small

bite

> > similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens

but

> > could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a

few bugs

> > on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like

tiny

> > spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was

horrified to

> > find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant

pots

> > cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling

around. On

> > checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in

the hairs

> > and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with "Dettol"

> > disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they

were back

> > and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.

> >

> >

> >

> > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin

store to

> > buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them

up close I

> > turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack

of

> > information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I

found

> > them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of

these

> > nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through

site

> > after site collecting information I decided to start my battle

against these

> > EVIL little bugs.

> >

> >

> >

> > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against

evil. I

> > have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up

with a

> > life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting

point

> > for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking

on the

> > internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really

does

> > help.

> >

> >

> >

> > First on the list was to visit my local "Pets at Home" mega store

which by

> > luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on

about

> > (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would

just ask

> > someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes

later I was

> > asked to describe the "bug" in detail, again he disappeared outback

and

> > after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from

"outback" had

> > completed a course on animal parasites and my "bugs" are Bird Lice

(mites)

> > that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host

after

> > the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.

> >

> >

> >

> > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from

many Ideas

> > on the internet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Product List

> >

> > * "Livestock Louse Powder" covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small

> > animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)

> >

> > * "Raid" Ant & Cockroach Killer by

> >

> > * 4 cans of "Arrid" Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)

> >

> > * "Maplin" 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)

> >

> > * "Dettol" surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

> > them)

> >

> > * Menthol crystals (Chemist)

> >

> > * "Vics" menthol rub

> >

> > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover

> >

> > * Latex gloves

> >

> > * Veruca socks

> >

> > * Lavender burning sticks

> >

> > * "Herbalife" Herbal Aloe products

> >

> > * Large Magnifying glass

> >

> > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose

to

> > stop BL crawling out)

> >

> > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive

> > attitude!

> >

> > Some of the above may be UK only.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What I have done

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call "BL"

were only

> > present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to

contain

> > them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host

to feed

> > and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other

parts of my

> > apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it

was a

> > sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)

> >

> > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I

visited so

> > would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I

showered,

> > dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get

bitten

> > while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the

Conditioner as I

> > find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my

shower

> > also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to

go out.

> >

> >

> >

> > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment

including

> > placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air

tight bags

> > (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of

Raid Ant &

> > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the

bedroom (try

> > to do this in the same day if you have time)

> >

> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask

myself

> > why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.

> >

> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in

clear bags

> > to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything

thoroughly top

> > bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over

as did

> > the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed

walls,

> > ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed

under the

> > bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to

chance) I

> > then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting

boards,

> > window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from

the

> > floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After

reassembling

> > everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful

not to

> > soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray

Raid about

> > every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and

did

> > nothing to the BLs.

> >

> >

> >

> > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

> >

> > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics

> > smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin

while

> > cleaning.

> >

> > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

> >

> >

> > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel

this

> > may also help as my children did not get bites.

> >

> > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

> > down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when

not in

> > use.

> >

> > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand

microscope

> > using clear tape to trap some mites.

> >

> > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I

> > recommend a mask.

> >

> > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows.

Shaved

> > head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

> >

> > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even

> > walking around could spread them.

> >

> >

> >

> > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started

dieing was

> > one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be

aware

> > that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I

can tell.

> > Keep doing the above until you see results.

> >

> > As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.

> >

> > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while

attempting to

> > sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my

face

> > through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I

could see

> > under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.

> >

> > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil

in my

> > ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the

residue oil

> > in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.

> >

> >

> >

> > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a

large pot

> > plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old

found

> > two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a

few

> > dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few

weeks.

> >

> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the

BL but

> > without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching

the

> > spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my

bedroom)

> >

> >

> >

> > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead

BL

> > still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very

sensitive

> > to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to

capture

> > anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of

sticking

> > tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found

black/blue

> > fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows

of my

> > problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see

what was

> > on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red

and some

> > yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the

fibres

> > must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the

day. (I

> > have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get

similar

> > results)

> >

> >

> >

> > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone

but I

> > will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I

have

> > observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel

crawling is

> > near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I

believe

> > that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation

which I will

> > now deal with.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps

just one

> > person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them

back to

> > their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product

strategy

> > seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing

winters

> > would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull

through.

> > I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can

quickly

> > become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I

hope

> > that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

> >

> > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to

wake up

> > through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got

less but I

> > know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely

lost and

> > alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but

positive

> > thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten

there is

> > always a way if you are persistent.

> >

> >

> >

> > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that

Satin is

> > basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of

ladies

> > 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped

the

> > biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be

close

> > woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase)

Men's satin

> > underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so

not a

> > great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be

honest

> > when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my

wife

> > use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals

and

> > waterproofs so no big deal.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up

furniture legs

> > but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (

vacuum

> > ceiling thoroughly)

> >

> >

> >

> > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the

fight!

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> > Some questions I don't understand.

> >

> >

> >

> > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

> > bodies?

> >

> > * Are we all infested with the same bug?

> >

> > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal

> > account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

department,

> > WHO, Museum, etc????

> >

> > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

> > eradicate it, do rich people get affected?

> >

> > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into

this?

> >

> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but

only

> > find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV

and PC

> > screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found

on my

> > face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say

you

> > should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or

stupid but

> > try them anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my

doing)

> > in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every

weekend. I

> > live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have

a

> > daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years

old). My 36

> > year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was

teaching me

> > about persistence in life.

> >

> >

> >

> > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse

of

> > products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant

life.

> > READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.

> >

> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or

touching your

> > mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.

> >

> >

> >

> > I will try to answer any questions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

----------------------------------------------------------\

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> >

----------------------------------------------------------\

----

> > -------------------------------------------------

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mites were here first for us, too - then springtails and morgellons...........In packing up what little we are taking on our upcoming move I am SHOCKED to find the amount of dead bugs, black specs and fiber balls in all sorts of weird places.  I have cleaned this house every single day since this started.  Wow - I missed so many things.  Never thought to take pictures off the wall to dust or clean the china sitting in the cabinet (why on earth would these things get into the china cabinet - hiding, I guess).  Moral to the story - just when you think you've cleaned, start again.  Under furniture, on high to reach shelves, behind bookcases, etc..  Big lesson - thought I was doing a great job.  These things have too many places to sneak off to and they are smart - well, smarter than me, anyhow!

Hugs to all!On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:53 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

 

So true dear.  I too believe that the mites vector Morgellons in many instances.  The mites came first here.

Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

 

Hi ,

Yes, you are corect, mites do carry pathogens and are documented as

transmitting disease to humans on occassion. I would hope the CDC had

the time to look more fully into them, but I know they would state that,

normally bird mites are not a threat to people, and so their priorities

will be to more contagious organisms, and vectors. I also feel that

Morgellons has been vectored from mites as many of those afflicted first

had to deal with some type of mite before the fibers and lesions

occured.

Tim

> >

> > Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still

a little

> > intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over

two years

> > since the " devils bugs " left me alone. I wrote this last year and

have added

> > and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to

send.

> > But I am sending it anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a

neighbouring

> > porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear

blue sky

> > I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young

pigeons

> > perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into

refuse

> > bags.

> >

> > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my

legs and

> > arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten

by a

> > mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom

corner near a

> > large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see

tiny " pin

> > head size bugs " on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue.

The

> > itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest &

private

> > area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling

> > sensation all over my body.

> >

> >

> >

> > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a

crawling

> > sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her

weekly visit

> > for a cup of good old " English Tea " and a chat and said she had been

bitten

> > by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her

dog. On

> > her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small

bite

> > similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens

but

> > could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a

few bugs

> > on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like

tiny

> > spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was

horrified to

> > find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant

pots

> > cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling

around. On

> > checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in

the hairs

> > and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with " Dettol "

> > disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they

were back

> > and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.

> >

> >

> >

> > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin

store to

> > buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them

up close I

> > turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack

of

> > information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I

found

> > them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of

these

> > nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through

site

> > after site collecting information I decided to start my battle

against these

> > EVIL little bugs.

> >

> >

> >

> > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against

evil. I

> > have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up

with a

> > life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting

point

> > for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking

on the

> > internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really

does

> > help.

> >

> >

> >

> > First on the list was to visit my local " Pets at Home " mega store

which by

> > luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on

about

> > (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would

just ask

> > someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes

later I was

> > asked to describe the " bug " in detail, again he disappeared outback

and

> > after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from

" outback " had

> > completed a course on animal parasites and my " bugs " are Bird Lice

(mites)

> > that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host

after

> > the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.

> >

> >

> >

> > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from

many Ideas

> > on the internet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Product List

> >

> > * " Livestock Louse Powder " covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small

> > animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)

> >

> > * " Raid " Ant & Cockroach Killer by

> >

> > * 4 cans of " Arrid " Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)

> >

> > * " Maplin " 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)

> >

> > * " Dettol " surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

> > them)

> >

> > * Menthol crystals (Chemist)

> >

> > * " Vics " menthol rub

> >

> > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover

> >

> > * Latex gloves

> >

> > * Veruca socks

> >

> > * Lavender burning sticks

> >

> > * " Herbalife " Herbal Aloe products

> >

> > * Large Magnifying glass

> >

> > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose

to

> > stop BL crawling out)

> >

> > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive

> > attitude!

> >

> > Some of the above may be UK only.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What I have done

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call " BL "

were only

> > present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to

contain

> > them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host

to feed

> > and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other

parts of my

> > apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it

was a

> > sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)

> >

> > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I

visited so

> > would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I

showered,

> > dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get

bitten

> > while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the

Conditioner as I

> > find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my

shower

> > also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to

go out.

> >

> >

> >

> > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment

including

> > placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air

tight bags

> > (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of

Raid Ant &

> > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the

bedroom (try

> > to do this in the same day if you have time)

> >

> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask

myself

> > why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.

> >

> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in

clear bags

> > to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything

thoroughly top

> > bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over

as did

> > the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed

walls,

> > ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed

under the

> > bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to

chance) I

> > then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting

boards,

> > window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from

the

> > floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After

reassembling

> > everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful

not to

> > soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray

Raid about

> > every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and

did

> > nothing to the BLs.

> >

> >

> >

> > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

> >

> > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics

> > smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin

while

> > cleaning.

> >

> > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

> >

> >

> > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel

this

> > may also help as my children did not get bites.

> >

> > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

> > down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when

not in

> > use.

> >

> > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand

microscope

> > using clear tape to trap some mites.

> >

> > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I

> > recommend a mask.

> >

> > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows.

Shaved

> > head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

> >

> > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even

> > walking around could spread them.

> >

> >

> >

> > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started

dieing was

> > one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be

aware

> > that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I

can tell.

> > Keep doing the above until you see results.

> >

> > As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.

> >

> > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while

attempting to

> > sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my

face

> > through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I

could see

> > under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.

> >

> > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil

in my

> > ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the

residue oil

> > in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.

> >

> >

> >

> > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a

large pot

> > plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old

found

> > two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a

few

> > dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few

weeks.

> >

> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the

BL but

> > without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching

the

> > spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my

bedroom)

> >

> >

> >

> > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead

BL

> > still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very

sensitive

> > to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to

capture

> > anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of

sticking

> > tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found

black/blue

> > fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows

of my

> > problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see

what was

> > on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red

and some

> > yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the

fibres

> > must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the

day. (I

> > have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get

similar

> > results)

> >

> >

> >

> > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone

but I

> > will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I

have

> > observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel

crawling is

> > near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I

believe

> > that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation

which I will

> > now deal with.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps

just one

> > person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them

back to

> > their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product

strategy

> > seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing

winters

> > would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull

through.

> > I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can

quickly

> > become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I

hope

> > that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

> >

> > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to

wake up

> > through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got

less but I

> > know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely

lost and

> > alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but

positive

> > thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten

there is

> > always a way if you are persistent.

> >

> >

> >

> > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that

Satin is

> > basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of

ladies

> > 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped

the

> > biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be

close

> > woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase)

Men's satin

> > underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so

not a

> > great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be

honest

> > when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my

wife

> > use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals

and

> > waterproofs so no big deal.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up

furniture legs

> > but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (

vacuum

> > ceiling thoroughly)

> >

> >

> >

> > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the

fight!

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> > Some questions I don't understand.

> >

> >

> >

> > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

> > bodies?

> >

> > * Are we all infested with the same bug?

> >

> > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal

> > account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

department,

> > WHO, Museum, etc????

> >

> > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

> > eradicate it, do rich people get affected?

> >

> > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into

this?

> >

> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but

only

> > find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV

and PC

> > screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found

on my

> > face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say

you

> > should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or

stupid but

> > try them anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my

doing)

> > in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every

weekend. I

> > live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have

a

> > daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years

old). My 36

> > year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was

teaching me

> > about persistence in life.

> >

> >

> >

> > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse

of

> > products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant

life.

> > READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.

> >

> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or

touching your

> > mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.

> >

> >

> >

> > I will try to answer any questions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> > -------------------------------------------------

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tim

My questions are at last answered.

Thanks Rob

-----Original Message-----From: bird mites [mailto:bird mites ] On Behalf Of bird mites-owner Sent: 23 May 2011 23:30bird mites Subject: Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

Hi Rob,Glad to read some success stories now and then. It helps to motivate others who have not had much luck. I am glad you were able to see the mite that caused the problem for you, unfortunately some types of bird mites, specifically D. Gallinae, are much harder to see. You species was dark and large enough to view and most likely was the NFM variety.Regarding your questions: * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our bodies? Bird mites are body breathers through holes/vents in their exoskeletan and can live long periods in water, etc. They do not stay long internally, mainly at night and to lay eggs. Such as in the ears, nostrils, etc. * Are we all infested with the same bug? No, there are many species of parasitic mites which bother humans, some still unidentified. * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department, WHO, Museum, etc???? This time of year in the US, I know the CDC hears lots of complaints on this issue, however, because mites do not typically spread pathogens and cause disease, this would not be their area of interest. * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to eradicate it, do rich people get affected? It can sure seem like that, but when I hosted birdmites.org I heard from people from all walks of life who had to deal with this, including doctors, nurses, TV newshosts, etc. One dermatologist from SA who was afflicted felt that his colleagues were not fully educated on this issue and was in the process of writing about his ordeal. Thanks again and continued success here,Tim

>> Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still a little> intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.> > > > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over two years> since the "devils bugs" left me alone. I wrote this last year and have added> and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to send.> But I am sending it anyway.> > > > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a neighbouring> porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear blue sky> I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young pigeons> perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into refuse> bags. > > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my legs and> arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten by a> mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom corner near a> large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see tiny "pin> head size bugs" on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue. The> itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest & private> area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling> sensation all over my body. > > > > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a crawling> sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her weekly visit> for a cup of good old "English Tea" and a chat and said she had been bitten> by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her dog. On> her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small bite> similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens but> could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a few bugs> on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like tiny> spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was horrified to> find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant pots> cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling around. On> checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in the hairs> and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with "Dettol"> disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they were back> and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.> > > > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin store to> buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them up close I> turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack of> information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I found> them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of these> nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through site> after site collecting information I decided to start my battle against these> EVIL little bugs.> > > > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against evil. I> have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up with a> life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting point> for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking on the> internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really does> help.> > > > First on the list was to visit my local "Pets at Home" mega store which by> luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on about> (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would just ask> someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes later I was> asked to describe the "bug" in detail, again he disappeared outback and> after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from "outback" had> completed a course on animal parasites and my "bugs" are Bird Lice (mites)> that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host after> the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.> > > > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from many Ideas> on the internet.> > > > Product List > > * "Livestock Louse Powder" covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small> animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer) > > * "Raid" Ant & Cockroach Killer by > > * 4 cans of "Arrid" Extra Dry ( Did not work for me) > > * "Maplin" 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better) > > * "Dettol" surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown> them) > > * Menthol crystals (Chemist) > > * "Vics" menthol rub > > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover > > * Latex gloves > > * Veruca socks > > * Lavender burning sticks > > * "Herbalife" Herbal Aloe products > > * Large Magnifying glass > > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose to> stop BL crawling out) > > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive> attitude!> > Some of the above may be UK only.> > > > > > What I have done> > > > > > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call "BL" were only> present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to contain> them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host to feed> and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other parts of my> apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it was a> sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body) > > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I visited so> would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I showered,> dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get bitten> while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the Conditioner as I> find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my shower> also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to go out.> > > > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment including> placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air tight bags> (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of Raid Ant & > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the bedroom (try> to do this in the same day if you have time)> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask myself> why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in clear bags> to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything thoroughly top> bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over as did> the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed walls,> ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed under the> bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to chance) I> then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting boards,> window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from the> floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After reassembling> everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful not to> soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray Raid about> every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and did> nothing to the BLs. > > > > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible. > > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics> smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin while> cleaning. > > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.> > > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel this> may also help as my children did not get bites. > > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid> down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when not in> use. > > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand microscope> using clear tape to trap some mites. > > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I> recommend a mask. > > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows. Shaved> head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair) > > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even> walking around could spread them.> > > > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started dieing was> one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be aware> that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I can tell.> Keep doing the above until you see results.> > As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work. > > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while attempting to> sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my face> through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I could see> under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape. > > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil in my> ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the residue oil> in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it. > > > > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a large pot> plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old found> two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a few> dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few weeks.> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the BL but> without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching the> spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my bedroom)> > > > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead BL> still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very sensitive> to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to capture> anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of sticking> tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found black/blue> fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows of my> problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see what was> on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red and some> yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the fibres> must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the day. (I> have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get similar> results) > > > > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone but I> will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I have> observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel crawling is> near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I believe> that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation which I will> now deal with.> > > > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps just one> person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them back to> their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product strategy> seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing winters> would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull through.> I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can quickly> become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I hope> that the above products can take them out before they evolve. > > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to wake up> through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got less but I> know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped. > > > > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely lost and> alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but positive> thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten there is> always a way if you are persistent.> > > > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that Satin is> basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of ladies> 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped the> biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be close> woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase) Men's satin> underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so not a> great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be honest> when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my wife> use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals and> waterproofs so no big deal.> > > > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up furniture legs> but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body ( vacuum> ceiling thoroughly)> > > > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the fight!> > _________________________________________________________> > > > Some questions I don't understand.> > > > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our> bodies? > > * Are we all infested with the same bug? > > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal> account could we not send it to every University, Gov health department,> WHO, Museum, etc???? > > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to> eradicate it, do rich people get affected? > > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into this?> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but only> find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV and PC> screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found on my> face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say you> should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or stupid but> try them anyway.> > > > I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my doing)> in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every weekend. I> live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have a> daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years old). My 36> year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was teaching me> about persistence in life.> > > > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse of> products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant life.> READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or touching your> mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.> > > > I will try to answer any questions.> > > > Regards Rob> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------> ------------------------------------------------->

[Guest guest]

Good luck with the moving! WHere are you moving to, and are you bringing anything?HugsCeciliaFrom: zen morgie <zenmorgie@...>bird mites Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 10:14:19 PMSubject: Re: Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

Mites were here first for us, too - then springtails and morgellons...........In packing up what little we are taking on our upcoming move I am SHOCKED to find the amount of dead bugs, black specs and fiber balls in all sorts of weird places. I have cleaned this house every single day since this started. Wow - I missed so many things. Never thought to take pictures off the wall to dust or clean the china sitting in the cabinet (why on earth would these things get into the china cabinet - hiding, I guess). Moral to the story - just when you think you've cleaned, start again. Under furniture, on high to reach shelves, behind bookcases, etc.. Big lesson - thought I was doing a great job. These things have too many places to sneak off to and they are smart - well, smarter than me, anyhow!

Hugs to all!On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:53 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

So true dear. I too believe that the mites vector Morgellons in many instances. The mites came first here.

Re: Mites Eradicated...glad to hear!

Hi ,

Yes, you are corect, mites do carry pathogens and are documented as

transmitting disease to humans on occassion. I would hope the CDC had

the time to look more fully into them, but I know they would state that,

normally bird mites are not a threat to people, and so their priorities

will be to more contagious organisms, and vectors. I also feel that

Morgellons has been vectored from mites as many of those afflicted first

had to deal with some type of mite before the fibers and lesions

occured.

Tim

> >

> > Hi, If this is of no help I apologise as after two years I am still

a little

> > intimidated by this forum and not sure of the rules.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am still reading the group emails once a week and it's now over

two years

> > since the "devils bugs" left me alone. I wrote this last year and

have added

> > and changed it over the last year but thought it may be too long to

send.

> > But I am sending it anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I was oblivious to any problem a simple pigeon's nest in a

neighbouring

> > porch could cause. Standing in the beautiful sunshine with a clear

blue sky

> > I was watching a workman clear the nest, I felt sorry for the young

pigeons

> > perched on the roof with their home being destroyed and stuffed into

refuse

> > bags.

> >

> > Visiting a friend a few days later she remarked on me scratching my

legs and

> > arms which made her feel itchy. I could only say I had been bitten

by a

> > mosquito in the night. Sitting at my PC which is in my bedroom

corner near a

> > large box bay window overlooking the neighbours porch I could see

tiny "pin

> > head size bugs" on my pc screen which I cleaned off with a tissue.

The

> > itching continued and the bites were now on my legs,arms,chest &

private

> > area which seem to be while in bed but I was also feeling a crawling

> > sensation all over my body.

> >

> >

> >

> > While sitting at my PC the next day I was Itching and felt a

crawling

> > sensation on my skin. Later that day my best friend was on her

weekly visit

> > for a cup of good old "English Tea" and a chat and said she had been

bitten

> > by something to which I said she must have a flea on her from her

dog. On

> > her leaving I thought it strange and worrying that she had a small

bite

> > similar to my ones and hastily found my watch makers magnifying lens

but

> > could find no fleas on my sofa. On returning to my pc I could see a

few bugs

> > on the screen and took a closer look with my lens, they looked like

tiny

> > spider /bugs? Now I decided to check around the bedroom and was

horrified to

> > find my desktop PC ,laptop,printers,speakers,window sill box, plant

pots

> > cables,floor,walls,desk etc covered in tiny pin heads crawling

around. On

> > checking my arm that I rest on my sill box I had them crawling in

the hairs

> > and then found them on my chair. I sprayed everywhere with "Dettol"

> > disinfectant and wiped them up with kitchen roll. Hours later they

were back

> > and I was feeling that I must have an unhygienic home.

> >

> >

> >

> > I used clear tape to obtain a sample and drove to my local Maplin

store to

> > buy a 100x hand microscope for £6.00 (10$ US?). On seeing them

up close I

> > turned to the Internet for Identification and was amazed at the lack

of

> > information on this simple tiny bug. Four days of internet later I

found

> > them to be Bird mites/lice and that it is not easy to rid my home of

these

> > nasty little often invisible to the eye bugs .On trailing through

site

> > after site collecting information I decided to start my battle

against these

> > EVIL little bugs.

> >

> >

> >

> > After many sleepless nights I decided it would be a war against

evil. I

> > have been learning about positive thinking power and had signed up

with a

> > life coach for a ten week course so decided that's the best starting

point

> > for all challenges in life. Check out the power of positive thinking

on the

> > internet and get your mind positive, not easy at first but it really

does

> > help.

> >

> >

> >

> > First on the list was to visit my local "Pets at Home" mega store

which by

> > luck the first person I spoke to didn't have a clue what I was on

about

> > (negative) and thought the store could not help me, BUT he would

just ask

> > someone outback if they know anything about bugs. A few minutes

later I was

> > asked to describe the "bug" in detail, again he disappeared outback

and

> > after 3 minutes the answer was that our mysterious man from

"outback" had

> > completed a course on animal parasites and my "bugs" are Bird Lice

(mites)

> > that probably entered my home in their thousands looking for a host

after

> > the nest was removed. He directed me to the Livestock product area.

> >

> >

> >

> > I purchased the powder plus following which I had extracted from

many Ideas

> > on the internet.

> >

> >

> >

> > Product List

> >

> > * "Livestock Louse Powder" covering Cattle to Poultry etc to small

> > animals (IT WORKS) (UK manufacturer)

> >

> > * "Raid" Ant & Cockroach Killer by

> >

> > * 4 cans of "Arrid" Extra Dry ( Did not work for me)

> >

> > * "Maplin" 100x hand microscope (200x hand held would be better)

> >

> > * "Dettol" surface cleaner (It kills them or I think it may drown

> > them)

> >

> > * Menthol crystals (Chemist)

> >

> > * "Vics" menthol rub

> >

> > * Zip up mattress bedbug cover

> >

> > * Latex gloves

> >

> > * Veruca socks

> >

> > * Lavender burning sticks

> >

> > * "Herbalife" Herbal Aloe products

> >

> > * Large Magnifying glass

> >

> > * Vacuum cleaner bags (lots) (Don't forget to seal the vacuum hose

to

> > stop BL crawling out)

> >

> > * Oh and life coaching if you can afford it to get that positive

> > attitude!

> >

> > Some of the above may be UK only.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > What I have done

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thinking this out I realised that the lice/mites which I call "BL"

were only

> > present in my bedroom and mainly around my PC area so I wanted to

contain

> > them by using the bedroom for sitting/sleeping as they need a host

to feed

> > and may stay near to their host (ME) keeping them clear of other

parts of my

> > apartment (yes I let them feed on me to keep them in one area but it

was a

> > sacrifice worthwhile as they were already on my body)

> >

> > I had read that my car could become infested as could anyone I

visited so

> > would need to have clothing clear of BL to wear after showering. I

showered,

> > dressed and got out ASAP and have found this worked as I did not get

bitten

> > while I was out. I use Herbal Aloe Everyday Shampoo and the

Conditioner as I

> > find the Aloe products work for me. Using Herbal Aloe Gel after my

shower

> > also works on bites and seems to keep them off of me when ready to

go out.

> >

> >

> >

> > First was to vacuum and clean EVERY SINGLE part of my apartment

including

> > placing everything from shelves, ledges, floor and walls into air

tight bags

> > (vacuum suction storage bags from the £1 shop) with a spray of

Raid Ant &

> > Cockroach Killer in the bag before hand. Working my way to the

bedroom (try

> > to do this in the same day if you have time)

> >

> > I keep reading that most people find BL on or near their PC, I ask

myself

> > why? It must be to do with BL needing a host.

> >

> > Spray with raid and wipe off all pc/TV/phone cables and place in

clear bags

> > to minimize re-infection while cleaning. I cleaned everything

thoroughly top

> > bottom sides including nooks and crannies. My desk had BL all over

as did

> > the window area and I found they get under ledges so I vacuumed

walls,

> > ceiling and floor. Working through the room to the bed I vacuumed

under the

> > bed and all framework including the mattress (leave nothing to

chance) I

> > then sprinkled Louse powder and rubbed it in to the floor, skirting

boards,

> > window woodwork and into any cracks .I did not clean the powder from

the

> > floor knowing that many BL would have to crawl onto it. After

reassembling

> > everything I sprayed the Raid over everything but the bed. (Careful

not to

> > soak electrics) Do the above as often as possible but only spray

Raid about

> > every three days. Arrid just made a sticky mess of everything and

did

> > nothing to the BLs.

> >

> >

> >

> > * Wash bed sheets as often as possible.

> >

> > * I found that wearing the Veruca socks and Latex gloves with Vics

> > smeared around the openings stopped the BL crawling on to my skin

while

> > cleaning.

> >

> > * At night I burnt the Lavender sticks which I feel may have helped.

> >

> >

> > * I put the Menthol crystals in hot water in my bedroom and feel

this

> > may also help as my children did not get bites.

> >

> > * Don't leave the vacuum cleaner standing without spraying some Raid

> > down the pipe while turned on and sealing the opening with tape when

not in

> > use.

> >

> > * Check everything regularly with Magnifying glass and hand

microscope

> > using clear tape to trap some mites.

> >

> > * Breathing in any spray products are a serious health hazard so I

> > recommend a mask.

> >

> > * Guys, cut your head hair as short as work/social life allows.

Shaved

> > head is best. ( girls may look a little odd with no hair)

> >

> > * Be extra careful not to contaminate other parts of your home even

> > walking around could spread them.

> >

> >

> >

> > I found in the first few days that the only thing that started

dieing was

> > one of my house plants but then I was seeing less of the BL but be

aware

> > that the young ones may hatch out within a week or so as far as I

can tell.

> > Keep doing the above until you see results.

> >

> > As for being bitten at night I found certain things do work.

> >

> > On testing an Idea for the constant crawling feeling while

attempting to

> > sleep I kept several cuts of clear tape by my bed which I used on my

face

> > through the nights only to find that tiny loose hairs were all I

could see

> > under the microscope. I did pull BL off of my body with the tape.

> >

> > My doctor had told me a few years back to use Extra Virgin Olive Oil

in my

> > ears at night to loosen wax so I was going to try leaving the

residue oil

> > in my ears to stop or catch the BL but never got round to trying it.

> >

> >

> >

> > At one time I thought they were gone but found them on and under a

large pot

> > plant which on using the Raid killed them on contact. My 11 year old

found

> > two at the weekend and I have found one live in four days and then a

few

> > dead ones. I will keep the war going until I find none for a few

weeks.

> >

> > I have found some spiders around my pc area which may be eating the

BL but

> > without a lab to test this I can't be sure so rather than catching

the

> > spiders I am leaving them for now (not happy with spiders in my

bedroom)

> >

> >

> >

> > After two weeks my 11 year old has one bite but I can only find dead

BL

> > still. At one month I have realized that my face has become very

sensitive

> > to even a hair or speck. I decided to use clear tape on my face to

capture

> > anything that remotely feels crawly or itchy but after a week of

sticking

> > tape to a white paper sheet and using the microscope I only found

black/blue

> > fibres. I phoned a friend who I have not had contact with or knows

of my

> > problem and asked her to stick a piece of tape on her face and see

what was

> > on it, she was shocked to find black particles and black/blue, red

and some

> > yellow flat looking fibres on her face. I can only think that the

fibres

> > must be from clothing sticking to the face over the course of the

day. (I

> > have asked other friends to check their faces with tape and all get

similar

> > results)

> >

> >

> >

> > It's now 4 months since it all started and the BL seem to have gone

but I

> > will carry on checking and using my methods until I feel safe. I

have

> > observed myself in my home and found that the only place I feel

crawling is

> > near my PC and on walking to another room the sensation goes away. I

believe

> > that I have been left with the psychological crawling sensation

which I will

> > now deal with.

> >

> >

> >

> > Well that was probably very long and boring for you but if it helps

just one

> > person I'm happy. My worry was my kids being bitten or carrying them

back to

> > their mother's home but my showering, dressing and Aloe product

strategy

> > seems to have worked for them. The car is clear and our UK freezing

winters

> > would kill them anyway. My plant has seen better days but may pull

through.

> > I'm told that with fast breading insects and animals that they can

quickly

> > become immune to products from the natural process of evolution so I

hope

> > that the above products can take them out before they evolve.

> >

> > I have now had some full nights of sleep but find it hard not to

wake up

> > through the night to check around. The crawling sensation has got

less but I

> > know much of it is psychological. The biting has at last stopped.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Bird Mite/Lice are ruining people's lives and I felt completely

lost and

> > alone at night, desolate, abandoned and wanting to give up but

positive

> > thinking kept me going. Don't just hope but do, they can be beaten

there is

> > always a way if you are persistent.

> >

> >

> >

> > I read that satin clothing helped as BL like Cotton. I found that

Satin is

> > basically 100% Polyester so my friend (female) bough two pair of

ladies

> > 100%polyester leggings for me which were tight fitting, that stopped

the

> > biting on my legs, butt and privates altogether (the legging must be

close

> > woven which I checked with my magnifying glass before purchase)

Men's satin

> > underwear and nightclothes are available but are loose fitting so

not a

> > great option. I looked stupid but hey whatever it takes and to be

honest

> > when I was younger and used to go sea fishing in mid winter and my

wife

> > use to give me her tights (hose) to keep me warm under my thermals

and

> > waterproofs so no big deal.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vics menthol vapour rub seems to stop the BL from crawling up

furniture legs

> > but I think they may get on the ceiling and drop onto the body (

vacuum

> > ceiling thoroughly)

> >

> >

> >

> > Also eat good nutritious food and keep your body in shape for the

fight!

> >

> > _________________________________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> > Some questions I don't understand.

> >

> >

> >

> > * If the BL is air breathing how can it live in certain parts of our

> > bodies?

> >

> > * Are we all infested with the same bug?

> >

> > * If we all collected a sample on clear tape and write a personal

> > account could we not send it to every University, Gov health

department,

> > WHO, Museum, etc????

> >

> > * Why does it affect only us folk that do not have the funds to

> > eradicate it, do rich people get affected?

> >

> > * Why have we not got the World Health Organization looking into

this?

> >

> > May 10 2011. I still have crawling sensations and use clear tape but

only

> > find fibres and no bites. I have analyzed fibres in dust from my TV

and PC

> > screen and many other things and they appear to be the same as found

on my

> > face. Oh, and no I don't wear the leggings any more LOL. I would say

you

> > should think of any ideas outside the box that may sound odd or

stupid but

> > try them anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm a male, now 61, I split with my 32 year old second wife (not my

doing)

> > in 2006 and have two boys now 15 & 13 who stay with me every

weekend. I

> > live about 6 miles from London, England just in the suburbs. I have

a

> > daughter 39 and son 36 and 6 grandchildren (2 years to 15 years

old). My 36

> > year old son is now a life coach and his biggest help for me was

teaching me

> > about persistence in life.

> >

> >

> >

> > The above worked for me but I can not be responsible for any misuse

of

> > products that may have an adverse affect to human, animal or plant

life.

> > READ THE LABEL FIRST and decide for yourself.

> >

> > Thoroughly wash your hands before eating, smoking, drinking or

touching your

> > mouth, nose, eyes, ears or private parts.

> >

> >

> >

> > I will try to answer any questions.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

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