Re: How to diagnose?

May 1, 2011

Maybe she has Morgellons? I have Morgellons and I only had a "mite"

temporarily. Morgellons came after the mite. The mite might have

passed on Morgellons. Either that or it broke my skin barrier for

Morgellons to take over. Not sure what exactly happened.

Morgellons is like nothing you've seen before. It feels as if a very

tiny, nearly microscopic pin is entering your skin every five

seconds. It is so thin that it doesn't really hurt (although at

times it does--they might come in different sizes) but it definitely

activates your skin receptors so that you know something's going on.

Every time I feel that strange prickle/crawling on my skin, I locate

the specific spot where it comes from, and a lot of times I will

find a tiny blood spot. If I rub alcohol or any moisturizer in the

area, a tiny fiber will emerge from the spot where the prickle came.

The fiber appears lifeless, and they all seem to look exactly the

same. I've seen those little tiny holes they make just about

everywhere in my body. I once found a hole in the inside of my lower

eyelid, following a pricking sensation. I saw it clear as day, a

HOLE in my eyelid after the prickle. So they will go everywhere.

They get in your eyes, nose, ears, etc.

These things are very VERY hard to spot because they look exactly

like the dust particles you see around your home and just about

everywhere. Anyone would think you're nuts if you tell them that's

what's attacking you, so you probably don't want to tell any doctor

about this. But that's what it is.

I also suspect that these things can communicate, and if there's

many of them, they can get together and build things. When I had a

mite infestation, I saw "mites" made of fiber. From what I read in a

Morgellons website, the Morgellons fibers can pick up DNA of things

they come in contact with and then assemble them. I'm serious I saw

this happen. I saw them do things that are just out of this world.

Here's the quote from the site about this: "Preliminary research

indicates that Morgellons is a nano-machine, capable of creating

hideous new life forms based upon the DNA it comes in contact with.

These creatures create incredible pain and suffering in it’s

victims; symptoms include chronic fatigue, depression, surface

lesions with multi colored fibers growing out of them and a complete

compromise of the body’s immune system, allowing various infections

to reek havoc upon the victim. But what is the ultimate purpose of

Morgellons? These self-replicating devices have abilities not yet

known by scientists."

We don't have answers yet. She might want to get a lint roller and

start cleaning things around her, including her own skin. The fibers

get on the lint roller and then you can dump them. I don't know yet

of any other way to get them, except cleaning like crazy and washing

all your belongings all the time. But the ones in the air.. no clue

how to get rid of them.

Good luck

Jess

On 5/1/2011 8:16 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her

parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what

it is she needs to kill.

I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae &

O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt

with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably

easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've

read that there is a possibility of human infestation by

some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have

recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I

had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem

likely they would all be removed from the environment in

the same way.

I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation

for the following reasons: She has never found a mite.

The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the

naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood,

but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though

live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do

they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things.

I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to

be a common tread of infestations.

How does one diagnose which parasite?

Thanks

Krys

--

I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea

and the sky,

And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white

sail's shaking,

And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey

dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the

running tide

Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls

crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy

life,

To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's

like a whetted knife;

And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing

fellow-rover,

And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's

over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

May 1, 2011

Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My "lesions" are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had.

If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the "older" mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections.

I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here.

If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it.

There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her.

How to diagnose?

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite?ThanksKrys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tideIs a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield

May 1, 2011

I had the same type of phenomenon as Jess. It seems far out, but I don't believe it is.

Re: How to diagnose?

Maybe she has Morgellons? I have Morgellons and I only had a "mite" temporarily. Morgellons came after the mite. The mite might have passed on Morgellons. Either that or it broke my skin barrier for Morgellons to take over. Not sure what exactly happened.Morgellons is like nothing you've seen before. It feels as if a very tiny, nearly microscopic pin is entering your skin every five seconds. It is so thin that it doesn't really hurt (although at times it does--they might come in different sizes) but it definitely activates your skin receptors so that you know something's going on. Every time I feel that strange prickle/crawling on my skin, I locate the specific spot where it comes from, and a lot of times I will find a tiny blood spot. If I rub alcohol or any moisturizer in the area, a tiny fiber will emerge from the spot where the prickle came. The fiber appears lifeless, and they all seem to look exactly the same. I've seen those little tiny holes they make just about everywhere in my body. I once found a hole in the inside of my lower eyelid, following a pricking sensation. I saw it clear as day, a HOLE in my eyelid after the prickle. So they will go everywhere. They get in your eyes, nose, ears, etc. These things are very VERY hard to spot because they look exactly like the dust particles you see around your home and just about everywhere. Anyone would think you're nuts if you tell them that's what's attacking you, so you probably don't want to tell any doctor about this. But that's what it is. I also suspect that these things can communicate, and if there's many of them, they can get together and build things. When I had a mite infestation, I saw "mites" made of fiber. From what I read in a Morgellons website, the Morgellons fibers can pick up DNA of things they come in contact with and then assemble them. I'm serious I saw this happen. I saw them do things that are just out of this world. Here's the quote from the site about this: "Preliminary research indicates that Morgellons is a nano-machine, capable of creating hideous new life forms based upon the DNA it comes in contact with. These creatures create incredible pain and suffering in itâ€™s victims; symptoms include chronic fatigue, depression, surface lesions with multi colored fibers growing out of them and a complete compromise of the bodyâ€™s immune system, allowing various infections to reek havoc upon the victim. But what is the ultimate purpose of Morgellons? These self-replicating devices have abilities not yet known by scientists."We don't have answers yet. She might want to get a lint roller and start cleaning things around her, including her own skin. The fibers get on the lint roller and then you can dump them. I don't know yet of any other way to get them, except cleaning like crazy and washing all your belongings all the time. But the ones in the air.. no clue how to get rid of them.Good luckJessOn 5/1/2011 8:16 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite?ThanksKrys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tideIs a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield

May 2, 2011

Hi Krys

Ths bug is tuff but not as tuff a you & no where near as tough a God , ask Him

to help , He will

Here is post thet explans all about bugs mits , worms etc. It has almost all the

info in it to kill any predator bug . Think like a hospital thinks & hit it &

don't let up hitting it till you don't feel it & then keep hitting it for 6

weeks after your last symptom

Mites and farmer tricks

link

bird mites/message/10634

I don't know where you people are from, whether it be city, or too far north to

know this, but " mites " are nothing new, and there is nothing " foreign about

them.

I was raised, and still live in Louisiana, which is called, " semi-tropical. " I

was raised on a farm/ranch. There are so many different types of mites, that

bite, that I will not begin to try to list many; I will give a few examples.

Warm blooded animals get lice; plants get lice; they are not the same type of

lice. the " lice " that infest your turnip green patch, will not bite you because

it suddenly " got warmer " in the US. The mites and lice that infest your chicken

house, will not be satisfied with sucking on turnip greens; but they will crawl

all over a human and give you the " itch " for many days after you have gotten

rid of the mites. There are " redbugs, " picked up from walking through grass,

brush, or sometimes dirt. They will burrow under your skin and make you want to

take a wire brush and shed your won hide off. There are seed ticks that will

cover you from brushing against the wrong tree limb, or infest your living room

when you buy that " real " tree at Christmas. The " Mange " in dogs, or as we

humans dislike having to call it, " Scabies, " that will infest you and all your

pets. There are hog lice, chiken mites, Sarcopic mange, ring worm, ( & scores of

other funguses from cattle and horses and dogs), that humans can get. There is

the " creeping crud, " a fungus, that sometimes does not show to the naked eye for

months, but will make you claw until you bleed, usually starting at the

ankles and working up; it lives in the soil. While we back woods, country people

may call all these vermin and varmints funny names, and we may seem

stupid to some, we know these critters you are talking about; they were here in

the US long before you went overseas. It is just as possible that you caught it

from your Georgia tent mate when he returned from leave, as it is that you

caught it in Iraq, or some other " hot " place.

We have put a couple of cap fulls of pine oil or bleach in our bath water for

years; we have cleaned our houses with pine oil for hundreds of years. We have

dabbed pine oil, turpintine, and sometimes if desperate enough, coal oil, on

redbugs, (and various other critters that attached themselves to us), to kill

them for hundreds of years. We have coated ourselves in various kinds of fats,

mud, and paste to keep them off, and to kill them when they decided to live on

us anyway. We have bathed in baking soda, salt and epsoms salt to keep from

itching; smeared paste from mustard, baking soda and tobacco to help. We have

taken the " skin " from egg shells and pit on bad bites, to draw the " itch " out.

We have chewed on the sulphur ends of hard matches, and made a paste out

of " flowers of sulfur; " which bugs hate the smell of, and it keeps the bites

from getting infected. One of the bad things about itchy bites, it all that

scratching and hot, blooding flesh, attracts even more critters.

As for borax; you can buy " 20 Mule Team " borax powder; it's been around longer

than any of us. We wash with it, neutralize orors with it, remove stains with

it, etc. Most of all, down here, we have been rubbing it on our meat in our

smoke houses for ages; flies won't even light on it. we just wash it off when

we take it out to eat. I heard in the eighties, that they were " blowing "

recycled, chipped up, news papers into the walls of old historical homes to

insulate them. Guess what they were soaking the news paper in prior to drying

and chopping it up? That's right...Borax. Not only does it kill bugs, repel

bugs, repel rodents and prevent them from chewing and nesting in the paper

insulation, but it makes the paper fire retardent. You can make your on roach

and ant bait with it by mixing it with flour and sugar, or just corn syrup and

Borax. You can use it like carpet fresh, and you can wash your walls and floors

and counters with it; use it as a paste for scrubbing; just don't rinse it too

well, and you will see a lessening of itchy critters. And for people that want

their clothes clean, but do not like fragrance fumes, etc., it's the best for

your laundry.

If the varmints are eating your ankles up, mix some borax with your lotion or

vaseline; it will repel them and has antibiotic properties

Summary :

Borax$3.99

Mustard 2.00

skin of egg $1.99 haven't tried that one yet

coaltar shampoo 5.99

pinesol $4.00

bleach .69

sulphur $12.00 www.Americarx.com

baking soda $1.00

tobacco $4.00

fats .01 off a steak

mud $.00

and make s paste

Pretty cheap ! And they work

God bless you ,

Bill

On Sun May 1st, 2011 9:16 PM EDT Krys Brennand wrote:

>It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need

>to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill.

>

>I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt

>with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these

>being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

>

>But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a

>possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons &

>have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had,

>previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all

>be removed from the environment in the same way.

>

>I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following

>reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are

>visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood,

>but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have

>more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or

>white crystal things.

>

>I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of

>infestations.

>

>How does one diagnose which parasite?

>

>Thanks

>Krys

>

>--

>I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

>And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

>And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

>And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

>I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

>Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

>And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

>And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

>I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

>To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

>And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

>And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

>

>*Sea Fever* - Masefield

May 2, 2011

Thanks for your thoughts. Strangely enough, the black dots are not mites; I have forwarded a photo she sent me this morning in a separate post. When she first described the symptoms they could have fitted the bird mite D.gallinae but when all the dots turned out to be fibrous I started to wonder (I had never heard of Morgellons at that time).

Apparently these black dot things are absolutely everywhere. Another really bizarre thing is that one of her dogs seems to be bothered in the same way. Before I got my mother to get a digital microscope, she had taken some of these black dots down to the vet for ID, as the " mite " problem seemed to have started from one of the dogs when a puppy. The vet had said these dots were fibrous & dismissed them. A couple of months ago one of the dogs had a bleeding ear; my mother took her to the vet's. The vet took a swap to for examination under a microscope & was flabbergasted to find the fibrous dots in amongst the blood; nothing else, no mites just blood & fibrous dots. Weird.

I don't want to suggest, to my mother that these things could be Morgellons, she is so depressed & upset by it all it would upset her too much; bird mites seems more tangible somehow. I am familiar with mites affecting poultry through my work in poultry genetics. D.gallinae is notoriously difficult to eradicate. If she thinks they're mites she may be more hopeful that I can help her get rid of them.

I notice the Lyme's connection with Morgellons. I've read Lyme's is on the increase in Europe. I may suggest Mother asks for a Lyme's test. There are ticks on the common where my mother walks the dogs; I have no idea what type of ticks. I have only once seen a tick in UK, not like Minnesota where there are masses.

That MMS sounds really useful & there are other things, like Lysol & Lye soap, I can buy over here (US) & post out to UK which sound good. Please have a look at the pics I posted of the black dots magnified & let me knw what you think.

Thanks & best wishes,Krys

On 1 May 2011 22:56, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites, right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became Morgellons. My " lesions " are very tiny scab-like things, not the large lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a mite either, although we believe that was what we have had.

If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site. There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x. Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed. Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the " older " mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections.

I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here, she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here.

If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you find a doctor here for her. Think about it.

There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her.

How to diagnose?

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way.

I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things.

I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite?ThanksKrys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tideIs a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 2, 2011

Hi Krys. Sorry to hear about your mother. My mom has this and is 72, a very

young 72. She had it before me and possibly gave it to us. She rarely listens to

the things i've said have worked for me, or she wants immediate results and

gives up. I give her the things i use and she doesn't use them but cries when

she sees the critters under her skin and feels them biting her back. I hope your

mom is more receptive to getting help.

The photo does look like the lint balls i saw when i first got this in Dec. 2010

and i do believe it's connected to bird mites. After the lint balls i started

seeing hairs which looked like an eyelash and now i occasionally see a single

fiber strand. Since then i've read all the great suggestions here and tried as

many as i could.

I'm at a place now where i'm comfortable 85% of the time and can walk

comfortably thru my home. It took a lot of work and sticking to protocols to get

here but the things suggested do work and i hope to one day say i'm free too. I

feel i'm getting real close to that day. If only i could get rid of the floating

white things. At least i don't have so many now.

I treat this as an insect/fungal/bacterial thing. I treat my environment and my

body on the surface and internally. I didn't stop getting bites until i took a

combination of MSM and food grade diatomaceous earth. No bites but still the

crawlies. But even they have diminished greatly. I also take anti parasitic

supplements cloves, black walnut hulls. an anti bacterial, olive leaf extract,

and zinc to help boost the immune system. I also try to eat veggies and fruits

along with alkaline things. I drink baking soda water, lemon juice water, and

apple cider vinegar water daily to help increase my alkalinity.

I've had good results with sulfur soap. I use the Grisi brand which is used to

treat acne and is 10% sulfur. I also like Dr. Bronner's peppermint and lavender

soaps.

The baths are very important. I never had lesions or itching but black specks

and lots of fibers coming from the skin. Once a week i'll take the combo bath

Bill mentioned. When i was at my worst, i put a few drops of tea tree oil or

eucalyptus oil in the bath water along with a little Dawn. I like the orange

antibacterial Dawn. When i did get a little red spot, i'd add sea salt to my

water which i felt was more healing than Epsom salts. My skin is pretty much

clear of everything now except the lingering original black spots.

My best friend in the beginning was a lint roller. Then i discovered Kleen Green

and i still use that now when i feel crawling and it stops it immediately. It's

not a repellent but it kills the critters on the spot.

Tell your mother to make sure she sprays the ceilings and walls. Those suckers

love to drop down. That was the cause of the constant crawling i used to have in

my hair and face.

Like it's been stated, we can win the war against them. It's hard not to get

discouraged when you don't know what to do or you feel you've made progress and

they return with a vengeance but sticking to a protocol and trusting in God to

help us through it, will help us succeed.

Good luck and blessings...

>

> It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need

> to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill.

>

> I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt

> with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these

> being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

>

> But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a

> possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons &

> have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had,

> previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all

> be removed from the environment in the same way.

>

> I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following

> reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are

> visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood,

> but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have

> more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or

> white crystal things.

>

> I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of

> infestations.

>

> How does one diagnose which parasite?

>

> Thanks

> Krys

>

> --

> I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

> And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

> And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

> And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

> I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

> Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

> And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

> And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

> I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

> To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;

> And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

> And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

>

> *Sea Fever* - Masefield

>

May 3, 2011

Perhaps springtials, not mites. I have had both and springtails the last to rid

of. And yes lyme comes into play with this, whether co-infection or the reason

for the parasite infestation who knows?

http://www.headlice.org/news/2005/august/tiny_bugs_wreak_havoc.htm

http://www.askahealer.com/miracle-mineral-supplement.htm

http://collembolareferences.blogspot.com/

>

> >

> > Does your mother have fibers? She has black specks that are not mites,

> > right? If those specks are coiled up fibers, then she has Morgellons, which

> > often time does start from mites. The one defining symptoms for Morgellons

> > are the fibers which may, or may not, be coming from her body. I think Jess

> > wrote you about her experience with Morgellons which fits with my experience

> > as well. What started as a mite infestation we believe, then became

> > Morgellons. My " lesions " are very tiny scab-like things, not the large

> > lesions you sometimes see on some Morgellons websites. We never found a

> > mite either, although we believe that was what we have had.

> >

> > If she can use the MMS (available on many websites), take orally and with

> > baths she will do better. Also, if she has mites in the house she should be

> > doing environmental treatments as well. I used ammonia and water sprayed

> > all over the house which helped to kill mites. This is a standard treatment

> > on birdmites.org. I did EVERYTHING that was recommended on that site.

> > There was not a single thing I did not try. She sounds like a healthy

> > person and hopefully has the energy to start implementing some of these

> > recommendations. Mites love to hide in clothing near the body, so

> > everything should be ironed on a steam iron. The iron kills mites. I

> > purchased a steam press to do larger amounts of clothing. It is like

> > something they use on a larger scale at dry cleaner. We also used ammonia

> > in our wash water and Borax with the Arm and Hammer Laundry detergent. If

> > you can't find the last two things you could advise that she use 1 cup of

> > ammonia in each load of wash and wash OFTEN. Never wear anything 2x.

> > Everything should get washed. What does cannot be washed should be tossed.

> > Mites, as you most likely know, reproduce rapidly. These are not ordinary

> > mites and I think they are birdmites, but genetically not like the " older "

> > mites. These carry Lyme disease and co-infections. I have both of these

> > but not everyone gets Lyme or co-infections.

> >

> > I saw a Lyme literate doctor (most doctors, most likely in UK too) are not

> > Lyme literate, so if you could fly your mom to the US to see a doctor here,

> > she could start getting treatment if she has Lyme Disease. There are tests

> > for co-infections, such as Bartonella and Babesia, but those tests are NOT

> > reliable. Most LLD's diagnose symptoms for co-infections and treat patients

> > for those specific symptoms. That is how it is done here.

> >

> > If you decide to fly your mom to the US I do have a good doctor, but she is

> > on the West coast, not where you are. Some of us may be able to help you

> > find a doctor here for her. Think about it.

> >

> > There are so many things to try... and am sure she has already started, but

> > don't let her lose sight of the fact that the doctors know nothing about

> > this, so she is flying solo. If she is computer literate she should follow

> > things on this site, or you could continue doing it for her.

> >

> > How to diagnose?

> >

> > It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need

> > to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill.

> >

> > I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt

> > with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these

> > being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

> >

> > But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a

> > possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons &

> > have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had,

> > previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all

> > be removed from the environment in the same way.

> >

> > I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following

> > reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are

> > visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood,

> > but they don't burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have

> > more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or

> > white crystal things.

> >

> > I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of

> > infestations.

> >

> > How does one diagnose which parasite?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Krys

> >

> > --

> > I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,

> > And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

> > And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,

> > And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.

> > I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

> > Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;

> > And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,

> > And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.

> > I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,

> > To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted

> > knife;

> > And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,

> > And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

> >

> > *Sea Fever* - Masefield

> >

>

> --

> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

May 3, 2011

The University of Georgia identified my samples as Rove Bettle.

From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>Subject: How to diagnose?"bird mites" <bird mites >Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:16 AM

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae). But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way. I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't

burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations. How does one diagnose which parasite?ThanksKrys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tideIs a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.I must go down to the seas again, to the

vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over. Sea Fever - Masefield

May 3, 2011

, your mother sounds similar to mine. Very active & independent, though she is in a poor emotional state due to this parasite. Just this morning a consultant dermatologist told her she had delusional parasitosis (DP). This does not seem logical as I cannot imagine dogs imagining blood & fibres in their ear nor would it explain the occasional bite(?) experienced by my stepfather. So she will try another hospital.

Healinghope, I had wondered about collembola after reading the paperabout collembola being found in skin scrapes of 18 out of 20 people dignosed with DP. The symptoms described sound exactly like my mothers but then they sound like other people's who make no mention of collembola. I also read of the possibility of collembola feeding on possible fungus on the skin rather than being a direct parasite. There seems to be a bit of a link to humidity & possibility of fungus/mould etc. running through a few people's descriptions.

Has anyone tried anti fungal treatments to see at happens? And what, if anything, happened?, I'd never heard of rove beetles before but upon looking them up, I see they feed on small ivertebrates, some feeding on parasites. Were the rove beetles you found actually biting you, or were they there as opportunistic feeders living off the parasites which were biting you?

I shall send my mother some things from over here & hope she tries them for long enough to work. I've been suggesting she gets flowers of sulphur, borax & lint rollers as I know they're available in UK.

Has anyone used zinc & castor oil cream?Thanks KrysOn 3 May 2011 16:08, Benton <sarahbenton48@...> wrote:

The University of Georgia identified my samples as Rove Bettle.

From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>Subject: How to diagnose?

" bird mites " <bird mites >Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:16 AM

It seems to me, if I am to help my mother get rid of her parasites, I need to know how to diagnose precisely what it is she needs to kill. I am familiar with how the bird mites D.gallinae & O.sylvarium are dealt with in poultry houses. I've dealt with O.sylvarium, in poultry, (these being considerably easier to eradicate than D.gallinae).

But, since researching, apart from various mites, I've read that there is a possibility of human infestation by some type of Collembola, & Morgellons & have recently read of people being bitten by thrips (which I had, previously, only related to plants). It does not seem likely they would all be removed from the environment in the same way.

I am not convinced my mother has a bird mite infestation for the following reasons: She has never found a mite. The bird mites, mentioned above, are visible with the naked eye. Bird mites, at least in chickens, suck blood, but they don't

burrow into the skin on chickens (though live chickens have more delicate skin than humans), nor do they leave black fibrous specks or white crystal things. I, also, notice the black specks & white bits seem to be a common tread of infestations.

How does one diagnose which parasite?ThanksKrys-- I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,

And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking,And a grey mist on the sea's face and a grey dawn breaking.I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide

Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.I must go down to the seas again, to the

vagrant gypsy life,To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a whetted knife;And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

Sea Fever - Masefield

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 3, 2011

Hi Krys,My husband was on antifungals for months for various fungi of feet & hand. It sure worked for that. It seems to help a bit. Not a cure by any means. Never tried castor oil cream or zinc. Has any one tried castor oil? Sent from my iPodOn May 3, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

, your mother sounds similar to mine. Very active & independent, though she is in a poor emotional state due to this parasite. Just this morning a consultant dermatologist told her she had delusional parasitosis (DP). This does not seem logical as I cannot imagine dogs imagining blood & fibres in their ear nor would it explain the occasional bite(?) experienced by my stepfather. So she will try another hospital.

Healinghope, I had wondered about collembola after reading the paperabout collembola being found in skin scrapes of 18 out of 20 people dignosed with DP. The symptoms described sound exactly like my mothers but then they sound like other people's who make no mention of collembola. I also read of the possibility of collembola feeding on possible fungus on the skin rather than being a direct parasite. There seems to be a bit of a link to humidity & possibility of fungus/mould etc. running through a few people's descriptions.

Has anyone tried anti fungal treatments to see at happens? And what, if anything, happened?, I'd never heard of rove beetles before but upon looking them up, I see they feed on small ivertebrates, some feeding on parasites. Were the rove beetles you found actually biting you, or were they there as opportunistic feeders living off the parasites which were biting you?

I shall send my mother some things from over here & hope she tries them for long enough to work. I've been suggesting she gets flowers of sulphur, borax & lint rollers as I know they're available in UK.

Has anyone used zinc & castor oil cream?Thanks KrysOn 3 May 2011 16:08, Benton <sarahbenton48@...> wrote:

The University of Georgia identified my samples as Rove Bettle.

From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>Subject: How to diagnose?

"bird mites" <bird mites >Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 1:16 AM