Re: Bird mites don't live on human beings

May 6, 2011

Welcome tsunsuchi,

I had read this about birdmites too but afraid info it is not accurate. And there are many types of birdmites too. I don't know where this information originated from, but the PCOs I had here said something similar. Inaccurate information and they aren't well informed most of them. Again, we don't know why so many more women get this over men, but some think it may be linked to hormones.

You don't need bird nests to have birdmites, although that is a common place to find them. Many got the mites from plenty of other sources, like their animals or a dead bird, or something like that. Freezing does not kill birdmites. Might slow them down, but doesn't kill them. Heat does kill them and some other things, but they are so tenacious and difficult to get rid of because they burrow. They are also quorum sensing so work as a group. There is so much written now about birdmites and getting to be more and more info available all the time. Do internet searches and read as much as possible. See if you can find a mite to have it identified if you can. I was never able to, even with good microscope and hand held microscope, but I keep looking even 3 + years later. Best of luck.

Bird mites don't live on human beings

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what to do anymore.I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help please? :(Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though, outside.

May 6, 2011

Hi Tsunsuchi,I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are very friendly & helpful.As others have said, what the exterminator told you is incorrect. " Bird Mites " is a collective name for a number types of mite which most often infest birds, often chickens. Each of the different type of mite have different behavioural patterns. There are several scientific papers demonstrating various types of mites infesting a number of different animals including humans. As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some people here have been bitten by mites a after leaving things for a year.

All the best,KrysOn 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...> wrote:

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what to do anymore.

I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help please?

Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though, outside.

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 7, 2011

>

> >

> > Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within

> > about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find

> > a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the

> > exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all

> > over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what

> > to do anymore.

> >

> > I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't

> > help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've

> > been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the

> > water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I

> > did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I

> > am just insane. Help please?

> >

> > Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though,

> > outside.

> >

>

> --

> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

I've never heard of their being more than one bird mite, that sounds silly. I

have talked to a lot of professionals and they tell me the same. Why are you

relying on things from the internet anyway since you're not a specialist in bird

mites?

May 7, 2011

Tsunsuchi,Personally, I am not relying on stuff I've read on the internet, but from things read from veterinary books & scientific papers. I am a poultry geneticist; it is, also, part of my job to know about things which affect poultry.

In UK we have D.gallinae (red poultry mite) & O.sylvarium. (Northern Fowl Mite) & K. mutans (scaly leg mite). In US there is also O.bursa (tropcial fowl mite). Krys

On 7 May 2011 12:02, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within

> > about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find

> > a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the

> > exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all

> > over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what

> > to do anymore.

> >

> > I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't

> > help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've

> > been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the

> > water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I

> > did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I

> > am just insane. Help please?

> >

> > Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though,

> > outside.

> >

>

> --

> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

I've never heard of their being more than one bird mite, that sounds silly. I have talked to a lot of professionals and they tell me the same. Why are you relying on things from the internet anyway since you're not a specialist in bird mites?

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 7, 2011

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within

> > > > about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't

> > find

> > > > a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the

> > > > exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations

> > all

> > > > over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know

> > what

> > > > to do anymore.

> > > >

> > > > I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor

> > won't

> > > > help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and

> > I've

> > > > been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into

> > the

> > > > water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four

> > days. I

> > > > did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells

> > me I

> > > > am just insane. Help please?

> > > >

> > > > Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here

> > though,

> > > > outside.

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > They shut the road through the woods

> > > Seventy years ago.

> > > Weather and rain have undone it again,

> > > And now you would never know

> > > There was once a road through the woods

> > > Before they planted the trees.

> > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > And the thin anemones.

> > > Only the keeper sees

> > > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > > And the badgers roll at ease,

> > > There was once a road through the woods.

> > >

> > > Yet, if you enter the woods

> > > Of a summer evening late,

> > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

> > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > > Because they see so few)

> > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > Steadily cantering through

> > > The misty solitudes,

> > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > The old lost road through the woods….

> > > But there is no road through the woods.

> > > *

> > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

> > >

> >

> > I've never heard of their being more than one bird mite, that sounds silly.

> > I have talked to a lot of professionals and they tell me the same. Why are

> > you relying on things from the internet anyway since you're not a specialist

> > in bird mites?

> >

>

> --

> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

Could you please scan pictures of the area in your veterinary book to here? I

would like some resources.

May 7, 2011

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within

> > > > > about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they

don't

> > > find

> > > > > a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the

> > > > > exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations

> > > all

> > > > > over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know

> > > what

> > > > > to do anymore.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor

> > > won't

> > > > > help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and

> > > I've

> > > > > been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into

> > > the

> > > > > water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four

> > > days. I

> > > > > did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells

> > > me I

> > > > > am just insane. Help please?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here

> > > though,

> > > > > outside.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > They shut the road through the woods

> > > > Seventy years ago.

> > > > Weather and rain have undone it again,

> > > > And now you would never know

> > > > There was once a road through the woods

> > > > Before they planted the trees.

> > > > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > > > And the thin anemones.

> > > > Only the keeper sees

> > > > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > > > And the badgers roll at ease,

> > > > There was once a road through the woods.

> > > >

> > > > Yet, if you enter the woods

> > > > Of a summer evening late,

> > > > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > > > Where the otter whistles his mate.

> > > > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > > > Because they see so few)

> > > > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > > > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > > > Steadily cantering through

> > > > The misty solitudes,

> > > > As though they perfectly knew

> > > > The old lost road through the woods….

> > > > But there is no road through the woods.

> > > > *

> > > > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

> > > >

> > >

> > > I've never heard of their being more than one bird mite, that sounds

silly.

> > > I have talked to a lot of professionals and they tell me the same. Why are

> > > you relying on things from the internet anyway since you're not a

specialist

> > > in bird mites?

> > >

> >

> > --

> > They shut the road through the woods

> > Seventy years ago.

> > Weather and rain have undone it again,

> > And now you would never know

> > There was once a road through the woods

> > Before they planted the trees.

> > It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> > And the thin anemones.

> > Only the keeper sees

> > That, where the ring-dove broods,

> > And the badgers roll at ease,

> > There was once a road through the woods.

> >

> > Yet, if you enter the woods

> > Of a summer evening late,

> > When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> > Where the otter whistles his mate.

> > (They fear not men in the woods,

> > Because they see so few)

> > You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> > And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> > Steadily cantering through

> > The misty solitudes,

> > As though they perfectly knew

> > The old lost road through the woods….

> > But there is no road through the woods.

> > *

> > The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

> >

>

> Could you please scan pictures of the area in your veterinary book to here? I

would like some resources.

>

Another thing. I live in Minnesota and I assumed it was only around areas in the

south?

May 7, 2011

Hi Krys,

I wanted to ask you, since you work with poultry and stuff, do you

happen to know of a mite that is visible to the naked eye and that

burrows into wood and can burrow into skin?

I contracted Morgellons from a very strange critter. I have been

searching online for over a year and still cannot figure out what it

was. I sent a sample to an entomologist, and it didn't help, all he

said was that it was a baby spider. But it was not a baby because

they were all of that size, they were tiny. When I tried to

photograph one of them, it would only show up as a brown spot on the

picture because of how small it was.

I found something that looks somewhat similar to what I had, though

I could be completely wrong. This is called ricinulei and it's also

an arthropod. Here's a picture I found online:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7

They look very similar to what I had, though it's been so long since

I last saw them, I cannot remember very minute details, plus they

were way too small. I was able to catch one of them by putting a pan

of hot water in the middle of my bedroom and then left it quiet for

a while. When I came back one of them had jumped into the hot water.

If you know anything, I'd appreciate any info.

Jess

On 5/6/2011 9:48 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

Hi Tsunsuchi,

I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are

very friendly & helpful.

As others have said, what the exterminator told you is

incorrect. "Bird Mites" is a collective name for a number

types of mite which most often infest birds, often

chickens. Each of the different type of mite have

different behavioural patterns. There are several

scientific papers demonstrating various types of mites

infesting a number of different animals including humans.

As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest

without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some

people here have been bitten by mites a after leaving

things for a year.

All the best,

Krys

On 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...>

wrote:

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending

their life cycle) within about three weeks

maybe. They can live without a host but if

they don't find a bird to feed off of after a

while, they do die. That is what the

exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I

type, I have sensations all over me, crawling

and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I

don't know what to do anymore.

I don't have a big freezer, either. I have

random bites, the doctor won't help me,

nothing helps. I thought it might be because

of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately

and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into

the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed

my hair a lot within four days. I did find a

tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my

boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help

please?

Also, we have no bird's nests around either.

Crows fly around here though, outside.

--

They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 7, 2011

Jess

I had tiny spiders too, hundreds of them and it happened more than one year in a row, coming through my office sliding glass door which is now permanently sealed. I wish I had saved a fewer myself. That could have been vital information! Mine were very tiny and light in color, almost a tan.

Re: Bird mites don't live on human beings

Hi Krys,I wanted to ask you, since you work with poultry and stuff, do you happen to know of a mite that is visible to the naked eye and that burrows into wood and can burrow into skin? I contracted Morgellons from a very strange critter. I have been searching online for over a year and still cannot figure out what it was. I sent a sample to an entomologist, and it didn't help, all he said was that it was a baby spider. But it was not a baby because they were all of that size, they were tiny. When I tried to photograph one of them, it would only show up as a brown spot on the picture because of how small it was.I found something that looks somewhat similar to what I had, though I could be completely wrong. This is called ricinulei and it's also an arthropod. Here's a picture I found online: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7They look very similar to what I had, though it's been so long since I last saw them, I cannot remember very minute details, plus they were way too small. I was able to catch one of them by putting a pan of hot water in the middle of my bedroom and then left it quiet for a while. When I came back one of them had jumped into the hot water. If you know anything, I'd appreciate any info.JessOn 5/6/2011 9:48 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

Hi Tsunsuchi,I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are very friendly & helpful.As others have said, what the exterminator told you is incorrect. "Bird Mites" is a collective name for a number types of mite which most often infest birds, often chickens. Each of the different type of mite have different behavioural patterns. There are several scientific papers demonstrating various types of mites infesting a number of different animals including humans. As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some people here have been bitten by mites a after leaving things for a year. All the best,Krys

On 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...> wrote:

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what to do anymore.I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help please? :(Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though, outside.-- They shut the road through the woodsSeventy years ago.Weather and rain have undone it again,And now you would never knowThere was once a road through the woodsBefore they planted the trees.It is underneath the coppice and heath,And the thin anemones.Only the keeper seesThat, where the ring-dove broods,And the badgers roll at ease,There was once a road through the woods.Yet, if you enter the woodsOf a summer evening late,When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed poolsWhere the otter whistles his mate.(They fear not men in the woods,Because they see so few)You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,And the swish of a skirt in the dew,Steadily cantering throughThe misty solitudes,As though they perfectly knewThe old lost road through the woodsâ€¦.But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 7, 2011

Thank you, , how did you get rid of the spiders? Were they human parasites as well? Did they look anything at all like the picture I posted in the previous message? Here it is again: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7

The ones I had didn't seem to attack me until I tried to get rid of them. I thought there would be just a few of them in that piece of furniture, but there were a lot more than I ever imagined and they had all somehow burrowed into the wood.

I remember when I first saw them, I honestly thought they were a strange breed of a bedbug and something else, especially because there was a big comeback of bedbugs in NYC. They had this bedbug look about them, but they were not bedbugs, cause they had long, spider-like legs. When I went to a dermatologist in NY, I took a sample of them, and the nurse also told me they looked like bedbugs but weren't. I also think they may resemble ticks in a way. So they might be related to all four? They seem to be bloodsuckers like bedbugs, but look like ticks, mites and spiders... Or a mix of all of them.

They probably gave me some kind of infectious disease similar to Babesia or Bartonella. You said you were diagnosed with one of those, right? Or was it Lyme? Apparently these diseases are all related to protozoan parasites, so we probably have some kind of mix of them all. And Morgellons might be the genetically modified version? I can't wait to solve this mystery.

Can you tell me about Babesia and Bartonella, if you happen to know? I haven't had any symptoms of an infectious disease (except joint pain) but I read that some people remain asymptomatic to Babesia and Lyme. I had the lyme western blot and it came back negative.

Thanks,JessOn Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:27 PM, <Goldstein@...> wrote:

Jess

I had tiny spiders too, hundreds of them and it happened more than one year in a row, coming through my office sliding glass door which is now permanently sealed. I wish I had saved a fewer myself. That could have been vital information! Mine were very tiny and light in color, almost a tan.

Re: Bird mites don't live on human beings

Hi Krys,I wanted to ask you, since you work with poultry and stuff, do you happen to know of a mite that is visible to the naked eye and that burrows into wood and can burrow into skin? I contracted Morgellons from a very strange critter. I have been searching online for over a year and still cannot figure out what it was. I sent a sample to an entomologist, and it didn't help, all he said was that it was a baby spider. But it was not a baby because they were all of that size, they were tiny. When I tried to photograph one of them, it would only show up as a brown spot on the picture because of how small it was.

I found something that looks somewhat similar to what I had, though I could be completely wrong. This is called ricinulei and it's also an arthropod. Here's a picture I found online: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7

They look very similar to what I had, though it's been so long since I last saw them, I cannot remember very minute details, plus they were way too small. I was able to catch one of them by putting a pan of hot water in the middle of my bedroom and then left it quiet for a while. When I came back one of them had jumped into the hot water.

If you know anything, I'd appreciate any info.JessOn 5/6/2011 9:48 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

Hi Tsunsuchi,I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are very friendly & helpful.As others have said, what the exterminator told you is incorrect. " Bird Mites " is a collective name for a number types of mite which most often infest birds, often chickens. Each of the different type of mite have different behavioural patterns. There are several scientific papers demonstrating various types of mites infesting a number of different animals including humans. As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some people here have been bitten by mites a after leaving things for a year.

All the best,Krys

On 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...> wrote:

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't find a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know what to do anymore.

I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days. I did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help please?

Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here though, outside.-- They shut the road through the woodsSeventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,And now you would never knowThere was once a road through the woodsBefore they planted the trees.It is underneath the coppice and heath,And the thin anemones.Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,And the badgers roll at ease,There was once a road through the woods.Yet, if you enter the woodsOf a summer evening late,When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.(They fear not men in the woods,Because they see so few)You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,And the swish of a skirt in the dew,Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,As though they perfectly knewThe old lost road through the woods….But there is no road through the woods. The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 7, 2011

Hi Jess,I don't know of any that would behave like that.Red Poultry Mite & Northern Fowl Mite are sort of spider shaped but do not burrow into skin. The Tropical Fowl mite is related to the Northern Fowl Mite. I think perhaps you wouldn't find that in New York.

Scaly Leg Mite burrows into skin under scales of leg. Earlier I forgot, the depluming mite, which is pretty rare......that burrows into the skin & is intensely itchy very itchy. Both of these are related & are very small & round. Do not look spider like.

In a US poultry book, I found there are a more mites, in US, which I did not know about, but apparently they're rare.. Sorry I don't know anymore than that.RegardsKrys

On 7 May 2011 15:02, jessnyc <helpnynow@...> wrote:

Hi Krys,

I wanted to ask you, since you work with poultry and stuff, do you

happen to know of a mite that is visible to the naked eye and that

burrows into wood and can burrow into skin?

I contracted Morgellons from a very strange critter. I have been

searching online for over a year and still cannot figure out what it

was. I sent a sample to an entomologist, and it didn't help, all he

said was that it was a baby spider. But it was not a baby because

they were all of that size, they were tiny. When I tried to

photograph one of them, it would only show up as a brown spot on the

picture because of how small it was.

I found something that looks somewhat similar to what I had, though

I could be completely wrong. This is called ricinulei and it's also

an arthropod. Here's a picture I found online:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7

They look very similar to what I had, though it's been so long since

I last saw them, I cannot remember very minute details, plus they

were way too small. I was able to catch one of them by putting a pan

of hot water in the middle of my bedroom and then left it quiet for

a while. When I came back one of them had jumped into the hot water.

If you know anything, I'd appreciate any info.

Jess

On 5/6/2011 9:48 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

Hi Tsunsuchi,

I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are

very friendly & helpful.

As others have said, what the exterminator told you is

incorrect. " Bird Mites " is a collective name for a number

types of mite which most often infest birds, often

chickens. Each of the different type of mite have

different behavioural patterns. There are several

scientific papers demonstrating various types of mites

infesting a number of different animals including humans.

As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest

without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some

people here have been bitten by mites a after leaving

things for a year.

All the best,

Krys

On 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...>

wrote:

Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending

their life cycle) within about three weeks

maybe. They can live without a host but if

they don't find a bird to feed off of after a

while, they do die. That is what the

exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I

type, I have sensations all over me, crawling

and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I

don't know what to do anymore.

I don't have a big freezer, either. I have

random bites, the doctor won't help me,

nothing helps. I thought it might be because

of dry skin and I've been bathing often lately

and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into

the water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed

my hair a lot within four days. I did find a

tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my

boyfriend tells me I am just insane. Help

please?

Also, we have no bird's nests around either.

Crows fly around here though, outside.

--

They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

-- They shut the road through the woods

Seventy years ago.

Weather and rain have undone it again,

And now you would never know

There was once a road through the woods

Before they planted the trees.

It is underneath the coppice and heath,

And the thin anemones.

Only the keeper sees

That, where the ring-dove broods,

And the badgers roll at ease,

There was once a road through the woods.

Yet, if you enter the woods

Of a summer evening late,

When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

Where the otter whistles his mate.

(They fear not men in the woods,

Because they see so few)

You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

Steadily cantering through

The misty solitudes,

As though they perfectly knew

The old lost road through the woods….

But there is no road through the woods.

The Way Through the Woods - Rudyard Kipling

May 8, 2011

Thank you for the info, Krys.

I would think that NYC could have just about any mite or strange

critter even if it doesn't naturally occur there. There's an

unbelievable amount of foreign people coming in and out of NY, so if

the critter is a parasite, it could've been brought from abroad and

spread quickly. They also explain the return of bedbugs due to

international travel.

I have another question, if maybe by chance you happen to know: Do you

know what kind of mites are present in pigeons? I remember when I was

little, my parents always told me to stay away from pigeons because

they had what in Spanish we call " gorupos " . Haven't found what that is

in English, but one time I remember staring at a pigeon from close to

see if I would see one of those things, and I was horrified to see

within the feathers a horrid spider-like critter. I don't think that's

a regular birdmite because it was big enough to be seen without

magnification, aren't birdmites all nearly microscopic?

Any idea of what that might have been?

Thank you!

On 5/8/11, Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...> wrote:

> Hi Jess,

> I don't know of any that would behave like that.

>

> Red Poultry Mite & Northern Fowl Mite are sort of spider shaped but do not

> burrow into skin.

> The Tropical Fowl mite is related to the Northern Fowl Mite. I think perhaps

> you wouldn't find that in New York.

>

> Scaly Leg Mite burrows into skin under scales of leg. Earlier I forgot, the

> depluming mite, which is pretty rare......that burrows into the skin & is

> intensely itchy very itchy. Both of these are related & are very small &

> round. Do not look spider like.

>

> In a US poultry book, I found there are a more mites, in US, which I did not

> know about, but apparently they're rare..

>

> Sorry I don't know anymore than that.

>

> Regards

> Krys

>

> On 7 May 2011 15:02, jessnyc <helpnynow@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi Krys,

>>

>> I wanted to ask you, since you work with poultry and stuff, do you happen

>> to know of a mite that is visible to the naked eye and that burrows into

>> wood and can burrow into skin?

>>

>> I contracted Morgellons from a very strange critter. I have been searching

>> online for over a year and still cannot figure out what it was. I sent a

>> sample to an entomologist, and it didn't help, all he said was that it was

>> a

>> baby spider. But it was not a baby because they were all of that size,

>> they

>> were tiny. When I tried to photograph one of them, it would only show up

>> as

>> a brown spot on the picture because of how small it was.

>>

>> I found something that looks somewhat similar to what I had, though I

>> could

>> be completely wrong. This is called ricinulei and it's also an arthropod.

>> Here's a picture I found online:

>> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=154ztkh & s=7

>> They look very similar to what I had, though it's been so long since I

>> last

>> saw them, I cannot remember very minute details, plus they were way too

>> small. I was able to catch one of them by putting a pan of hot water in

>> the

>> middle of my bedroom and then left it quiet for a while. When I came back

>> one of them had jumped into the hot water.

>>

>> If you know anything, I'd appreciate any info.

>>

>> Jess

>>

>> On 5/6/2011 9:48 PM, Krys Brennand wrote:

>>

>> Hi Tsunsuchi,

>>

>> I am sorry to hear you have mites. The people here are very friendly &

>> helpful.

>>

>> As others have said, what the exterminator told you is incorrect. " Bird

>> Mites " is a collective name for a number types of mite which most often

>> infest birds, often chickens. Each of the different type of mite have

>> different behavioural patterns. There are several scientific papers

>> demonstrating various types of mites infesting a number of different

>> animals

>> including humans. As far as I know the mite which can survive the longest

>> without feeding is D.gallinae the red poultry mite. Some people here have

>> been bitten by mites a after leaving things for a year.

>>

>> All the best,

>> Krys

>>

>> On 6 May 2011 19:03, tsunsushi <tsunsushi@...> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Bird mites are typically going to die (Ending their life cycle) within

>>> about three weeks maybe. They can live without a host but if they don't

>>> find

>>> a bird to feed off of after a while, they do die. That is what the

>>> exterminator told me but I am skeptical. As I type, I have sensations all

>>> over me, crawling and I am so so tired but I can't sleep. I don't know

>>> what

>>> to do anymore.

>>>

>>> I don't have a big freezer, either. I have random bites, the doctor won't

>>> help me, nothing helps. I thought it might be because of dry skin and

>>> I've

>>> been bathing often lately and when I bathe, my hair dye comes out into

>>> the

>>> water, and I also bathed a bunch and dyed my hair a lot within four days.

>>> I

>>> did find a tiny red bug on my back with antenna and my boyfriend tells me

>>> I

>>> am just insane. Help please?

>>>

>>> Also, we have no bird's nests around either. Crows fly around here

>>> though,

>>> outside.

>>>

>>

>> --

>> They shut the road through the woods

>> Seventy years ago.

>> Weather and rain have undone it again,

>> And now you would never know

>> There was once a road through the woods

>> Before they planted the trees.

>> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

>> And the thin anemones.

>> Only the keeper sees

>> That, where the ring-dove broods,

>> And the badgers roll at ease,

>> There was once a road through the woods.

>>

>> Yet, if you enter the woods

>> Of a summer evening late,

>> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

>> Where the otter whistles his mate.

>> (They fear not men in the woods,

>> Because they see so few)

>> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

>> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

>> Steadily cantering through

>> The misty solitudes,

>> As though they perfectly knew

>> The old lost road through the woods….

>> But there is no road through the woods.

>> *

>> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>>

>

> --

> They shut the road through the woods

> Seventy years ago.

> Weather and rain have undone it again,

> And now you would never know

> There was once a road through the woods

> Before they planted the trees.

> It is underneath the coppice and heath,

> And the thin anemones.

> Only the keeper sees

> That, where the ring-dove broods,

> And the badgers roll at ease,

> There was once a road through the woods.

>

> Yet, if you enter the woods

> Of a summer evening late,

> When the night-air cools on the trout-ringed pools

> Where the otter whistles his mate.

> (They fear not men in the woods,

> Because they see so few)

> You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,

> And the swish of a skirt in the dew,

> Steadily cantering through

> The misty solitudes,

> As though they perfectly knew

> The old lost road through the woods….

> But there is no road through the woods.

> *

> The Way Through the Woods* - Rudyard Kipling

>

May 8, 2011

The surface mites such as Red Poultry Mite, Northern Fowl Mite & , I believe, Tropical Fowl Mite are definitely visible with the naked eye, but I don't think one could see them as much more than a moving dot without the aid of a microscope (well I can't). One can usually see evidence of the burrowing types of mite rather than seeing the mites themselves, even as adults they are <.5mm.

I'm sorry, I don't know about pigeons & I don't speak Spanish. Maybe you could ask someone who speaks Spanish what the word means?I expect you've seen loads of photos, but this has some interesting pics.

http://cal.vet.upenn.edu/projects/paralab/labs/lab9.htmhttp://cal.vet.upenn.edu/projects/parasit06/website/lab9.htm

This site as some good photos & gives a good indication of size.http://waynesword.palomar.edu/redmite7a.htmBest wishesKrys

On 8 May 2011 01:00, NY <helpnynow@...> wrote: