is flower of sulfur the same as MSM?

[Guest guest]

Hi!Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?C

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Been to 3 different pharmacies here in Germany and they did not know what flower

of sulfur is. Then i asked for the lye soap and they asked me about the ph as

there are different ones and i just do not know.

I am getting desperate with my scalp and hair, i just can't get them out there,

tried tea tree oil, sulfur 8 conditioner, selsun blue shampoo, dr. bronner's

magic shampoo peppermint did no magic at all. All these remedies only work

temporarily.

Any other suggestions ? Wish i'd still lived in the States ...

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> Hi!

> Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?

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> C

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[Guest guest]

The pH of homemade soap is an important indicator that the soap is safe to use,

but not for the reason most people think! Many people believe that a soap with a

lower pH is more " mild " , but without expensive lab equipment, soap testing is

just not accurate enough to give us the precise pH. Instead, we use testing to

check that our soaps are within the normal pH of soap, from 7 to 10. This

assures us that there is no free lye remaining in the soap (lye has a pH of 14)

and that the soap is safe to use.

This is critical. Free lye in soap is just as caustic and painful as the lye

water we used to make the soap, and nobody wants to discover that their soap is

" lye heavy " in the middle of a shower!

The pH scale is organized so that 7 (the pH of water) is " neutral " . Values less

than 7 indicate acids (the lower the number, the more acidic the item) and

values higher than 7 indicate bases (the higher than number, the more basic the

item.)

As a quick point of reference:

pH 0 - hydrochloric acid

pH 2 - lemon juice

pH 7 - water

pH 9 - baking soda

ph 10 - milk of magnesia

ph 14 - lye!

You want your soap to have a pH between 7-10. This is the range that is

considered safe to use.

Above 10 indicates that your soap is harsh, and may have " free lye " (lye that

didn't react with your oils, and can burn you if you use the soap!)

You might end up with free lye if you made an error measuring your ingredients

(for example, if you used too much lye, or not enough oil), or if you used a

recipe that did not calculate the amount of lye correctly.

Soap Testing: Three Ways to Check Your Soap's pH

1. The Traditional " Tongue Test "

Soap makers will just barely tap the tip of their tongue to a fresh bar of soap.

An electric zing, as if touching your tongue to a battery, indicates lye-heavy

soap that is not safe to use. (The only problem is, who wants to risk lye burns

on their tongue? Not me!)

2. pH Test Strips

Soap makers who value their tongues have turned to pH testing strips. The strip

can detect the pH of a drop of water placed on fresh soap. Unfortunately,

because of the way soap interacts with water, the readings are not highly

accurate. The test strips can make your soap appear to have a lower pH than it

really does.

3. Phenolphthalein

This leaves us with one last method: phenolphthalein (pronounced as

" FEE-nol-THAL-een " ). Phenolphthalein is a liquid that can be applied, one drop

at a time, to soap. It turns pink when it touches a base. The darker the shade

of pink, the higher the pH reading. You won't get an exact pH value, but you

will be able to tell, quickly and easily, how far along the pH scale your soap

is.

To use phenolphthalein, wait until your soap has completely cured (6-8 weeks for

cold-process soap). Cut a bar of soap, and place a drop or two of

phenolphthalein on the cut edge (so that you are testing the " inside " of the

bar). Wait for the color of the drops to stabilize, and see what you have.

If it's clear or light pink, your soap is safe to use. If it's darker, proceed

with caution! The darkest shades indicate that the soap is dangerously heavy in

lye, and should not be used, though you may be able to save it using rebatching,

if you're feeling brave.

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Aggi Try asking the pharmacist about brimstone sulfur, or yellow sulfur. This

may be for cosmetic use only and not ingestion. You might also check with a

garden center.

Testing the pH of your soap is an easy way to be sure that your soap is safe to

use, and doesn't contain any extra lye. The pH scale shows the strength of an

acid or base. Soap with a high pH (above 10) is likely to be too harsh, or

lye-heavy, for use. So the higher the pH the stronger the soap, do not use

anything over 10.

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Aggi I believe Penn herbs delivers to Germany?

http://www.pennherb.com/ordering_info#foreign

http://www.pennherb.com/scan/co=yes/sf=category/se=Herbs/sf=description/se=Sulfu\

r.html

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Hi Marie,

Thank you so much for educating me, very interesting !

You sound like a good chemist or pharmacist yourself :-)

Will go back and ask for brimstone or yellow sulfur though.

If they don't have it probably order at Penn Herbs.

Still can't get my head around this is happening to me and to all of us here.

Almost 2 years now. Think i must have been a bad person in my previous life...

Hope you're still making progress taking the MMS. Guess i am not

desperate enough for trying it - yet. The MSM and DE internally is helping a

lot. Still getting bothered by the mites, but they do not bite as hard anymore.

Eating garlic in my dinner also helps to some extend.

Healing hugs,

Aggi

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Aggi This is hard to wrap your head around. You are sane this exist. I have made

progress and feel like the worst is behind me. The MMS was a large part but many

things come into play. The insecticides, the soap, laundry, yard treatment all

important. The MMS using topically should not be a great concern, ingestion is

the controversy.

For the money MMS cannot be beat.

And no I am not a pharmacist, I am now just a retired farmer and loving it:)

Healing hugs back

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Aggi, the flower of sulpher is also called "sublimed" here...

Re: is flower of sulfur the same as MSM?

Hi Marie, Thank you so much for educating me, very interesting !You sound like a good chemist or pharmacist yourself :-)Will go back and ask for brimstone or yellow sulfur though.If they don't have it probably order at Penn Herbs.Still can't get my head around this is happening to me and to all of us here. Almost 2 years now. Think i must have been a bad person in my previous life...Hope you're still making progress taking the MMS. Guess i am notdesperate enough for trying it - yet. The MSM and DE internally is helping a lot. Still getting bothered by the mites, but they do not bite as hard anymore. Eating garlic in my dinner also helps to some extend.Healing hugs,Aggi > > > >> > > > Hi!> > > > Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?> > > > > > > > C> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi Aggi

I used sulfur for 3 years . It is soothing & is a good helper to stop the itch

.. It has a horrible smell & will not wash out of clothes , or the dryer. I

haven't used a dryer in 5 years , I boil my clothes & wash them in Arm & Hammer

Powdered Laundry Detergent then hang & dry in a 'clean' .area ( room coated with

1 cup borax , & 1 cup Arm & Hammer Powdered Laundry Detergent & 1 gal water on

everyrthing.

Will they allow sulfur to be mailed into germany ? . It is very rarely sold at

paharmacies where I live In Michigan. After calling many pharmacies I did find a

one that would mix sulfur in petroleum jelly , the called it precipatated

sulfur , it heals cuts sell and is pretty mild, it does make the skin dry ,so I

would have to stop using it after 7-10 days & give my skin a break.

Th borax & peroxide worked much faster & better. & n also the Arm & Hammer

Powdered Laundry Detergent 1 cup per bath was amazing for the skin hair & eyes

, I soaked for 30 mins in the tub.It & still use 3 teasp & 1 cup of water every

5-10 days if I get a bite. It is he best for the scalp. So is msm 4 100 mg tabs

& 3 oz of water , mix & dump on head & leave it on to dry , it is invisible & no

smell or burn.

Order sublimed flowers of sulfur made by Humco from www.americarx.com

mix in an opaque or clear small dishwashing soap bottle

1 teasp coconut oil (or any oil )

1 teasp sulfur ( then shake well )

7-9 teasp of sulfur , shake hard for 20 seconds .

Apply top of head to toe & leave on.

, Supposedly there is a scentless sulfur , I didn't notice much difference

when I mixed it :

here is an old post about sulfur

OLD POST PASTED :

Message -----From: healinghopebird mites@...: Wednesday,

September 15, 2010 11:58 AMSubject: Re: How to get rid of the

sulfur smell?Judy I believe the Humco is technical grade?Product FeaturesSulfur

Powder Sublimed Features Flowers of sulfur For technical use only.Humco Sulfur

Sublimed Powder used in prescription compounding skin preparations not for

personal

use.http://www.amazon.com/Sulfur-Powder-Sublimed-Oz-Pack/dp/B0013ND5AKThe sulfur

from Penn Herbs is odorless and pharmaceutical grade.The body uses Sulphur to

maintain bone and joint health as well. It's involved in the production of

collagen, the principal protein of tendons and cartilage. Use Nature's

Wonderland Sulfur with confidence. Our pure, USP grade Sulphur means it meets

the United States Pharmacopoeia's standard of high quality. Our Sulfur is an

odorless, lime-colored, very fine powder. COMMON NAMES: Brimstone, Flowers of

Sulphur,

Sulphur.http://www.pennherb.com/cgi-bin/herbstore.cgi/herb?;Sulphur--- In

bird mites , " Judy Reynolds " <jreynolds009@...> wrote:>>

Jess,>> I haven't posted in quite sometime, but this is something I can

personally testify to. I also tried the Humco sublimed flowers of sulphur

powder. I applied about a teaspoon of the powder mixed in with ordinary body

lotion. This odor permeated my clothes and dryer and I finally threw out the

articles that I wore while using it because washing them over and over didn't

remove the odor. I also cleaned out the dryer and I didn't ...

......

Aggi here ios another post about a premade sulfur Vaseline ( petroleum jelly )

OLD PASTED POST :

per jenny at safetouse board :walmart as " 'De La Cruz Pomada De Azufre' Acne

Medication, "

You can find this at Wal-Mart, CVS etc: Brand name 'De La Cruz Pomada De

Azufre' Acne Medication, Sulfur Ointment

ANOTHER 2 OLD PASTED POST

Message -----From: healinghopebird mites@...: Wednesday,

September 15, 2010 11:58 AMSubject: Re: How to get rid of the

sulfur smell?Judy I believe the Humco is technical grade?Product FeaturesSulfur

Powder Sublimed Features Flowers of sulfur For technical use only.Humco Sulfur

Sublimed Powder used in prescription compounding skin preparations not for

personal

use.http://www.amazon.com/Sulfur-Powder-Sublimed-Oz-Pack/dp/B0013ND5AKThe sulfur

from Penn Herbs is odorless and pharmaceutical grade.The body uses Sulphur to

maintain bone and joint health as well. It's involved in the production of

collagen, the principal protein of tendons and cartilage. Use Nature's

Wonderland Sulfur with confidence. Our pure, USP grade Sulphur means it meets

the United States Pharmacopoeia's standard of high quality. Our Sulfur is an

odorless, lime-colored, very fine powder. COMMON NAMES: Brimstone, Flowers of

Sulphur,

Sulphur.http://www.pennherb.com/cgi-bin/herbstore.cgi/herb?;Sulphur--- In

bird mites , " Judy Reynolds " <jreynolds009@...> wrote:>>

Jess,>> I haven't posted in quite sometime, but this is something I can

personally testify to. I also tried the Humco sublimed flowers of sulphur

powder. I applied about a teaspoon of the powder mixed in with ordinary body

lotion. This odor permeated my clothes and dryer and I finally threw out the

articles that I wore while using it because washing them over and over didn't

remove the odor. I also cleaned out the dryer and I didn't ...

4. from topix

http://www.topix.net/forum/health/scabies/TNGRSBCC7I74IR67C/p10#lastPost

I'm finally cured! Or at least, I'm 99.9% sure. I haven't had new bumps in

weeks, and I hardly itch at all anymore. After I used Ivermectin 2 times, with

Permethrin, I started using Sulfur mixed with lotion every few days. It seemed

to work better than anything else. I'm still keeping up on the cleaning, and I'm

still using the sulfur for a little while more until I'm completely sure all of

the scabies are gone. All of the spots where my skin was starting to turn purple

from all of the burrows is healing up, and my skin's almost back to normal. I

saw the quickest and best results right after I started using sulfur. For any

one who hasn't tried sulfur yet and nothing else seems to work, I suggest you

get some right away. Thanks for all of the help everyone, I don't think I would

have ever gotten rid of this if I hadn't found this forum.

more at :

http://www.topix.net/forum/health/scabies/TNGRSBCC7I74IR67C/p10#lastPost

God bless you Aggi

Bill

ps here is ause of sulfur I have been meaning to try potash & sulfur

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4944939.html

Where the active ingredients are to be administered in the form of a

suspension/solution, i.e. in a lotion, one suitable

lotion is white lotion NF, which has the following formula:

______________________________________

Zinc Sulfate 40.0 g Sulfurated Potash 40.0 g Purified Water, a sufficient

quantity to make 1000.0 g

______________________________________

22.

From: Kajay109 <kajay109@...>

Subj: Re: called in a bird for friend Myra

n our hunting lease

Try here

sulfurated potash ingrown hair

http://www.bing.com/search?q=sulfurated+potash+ingrown+

ir & src=IE-SearchB

x & Form=IE8SRC sulfurated potash

http://www.bing.com/search?q=sulfurated+potash & src=IE-SearchBox & Form=IE8SRC

remedy ingrown hair

http://www.bing.com/search?q=remedy+ingrown+hair & src=IE-SearchBox & Form=IE8SRC

( 2a. Synonyms include hepar sulfuris, Liver of sulfur, sulfurated potash,

sulfurated potassa.

2b.

Sulfurated Potash for sale

Price - $39.50

The Science Company 95 Lincoln Street, Denver, CO 80203-3922

Visit retail store weekdays 9am-5:30pm; Sat 10am-2pm (Mtn. Time). Closed Sunday,

Holidays.

Phone Toll Free: 1-800-372-6726 Phone Denver Local: 303-777-3777 FAX:

303-777-3331

2010 The Science Company

3.

Definition of SULFURATED POTASH

: a mixture composed principally of sulfurated potassium compounds that is used

in treating skin diseases—called also liver of sulfur

3.

How to make Sulfurated Potash

4. Other uses :

sulfurated lime solution

noun

Definition of SULFURATED LIME SOLUTION

: an orange-colored solution containing sulfides of calcium made by boiling a

mixture of hydrated lime and sublimed sulfur in water and applied externally as

a topical antiseptic and scabicide—called also Vleminckx' lotion, Vleminckx'

solution

link:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/sulfurated

5. Uses in metal patina application

Liver of Sulfur. I see so much mis-info on the Etsy Forums.

" Sulfurated potash (Liver of Sulfur) is a poorly defined mixture of potassium

sulfide, potassium polysulfide, potassium thiosulfate, and probably potassium

bisulfide. Synonyms include hepar sulfuris, Liver of sulfur, sulfurated potash,

sulfurated potassa. Liver of sulfur is mainly used in metalworking to form a

patina, turning copper alloys brown or black. "

When you purchase Liver of Sulfur (LOS) you will receive a container of small

yellow rocks. You will dissolve a small (dime size) piece in plain hot tap

water, swirl or stir (I use a bamboo skewer) until dissolved and then submerge

your metal piece to produce the black 'oxidized' surface finish that is seen so

much on Etsy.

My jar (pic on right) is three weeks old. I made a LOS solution- and keep it

tightly capped under the kitchen sink. When I need to patina a piece, I will

fill the sink with the hottest tap water, place the jewelry piece in the LOS,

close

the lid and put the jar in the sink full of water. I check the piece of jewelry

every five minutes until the desired color is achieved. If left in to long, you

will have black flakes- which can be removed with a light brushing with an old

toothbrush. Rinse your jewelry well and Dry thoroughly. Now you can leave

completely dark, or polish the raised areas for a contrast of light and dark.

If your client is allergic to eggs, there is the potential for a reaction to a

LOS patina piece.

Have a wonderful, creative day.

peace~

Posted by Tango K at 7/02/2009 09:16:00 AM

Labels: jewelry, liver of sulfur, los, patina, tang

6.

Why you should make your own soap

Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:00 AM GMT

Author: Townsend

...., and master soapmakers closely guarded their formulas. The average household

made their own soap, and what a perilous and messy process it was! Wood Ash

would be saved and combined with water to extract out the Potassium Hydroxide,

or " Potash. " Then it was filtered through a special Barrel with hole drilled in

the bottom, with a layer of gravel ...

More at :

http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Potash

bye again ,

Bill

On Wed Apr 13th, 2011 2:05 PM EDT Aggi wrote:

>Hi there,

>

>Been to 3 different pharmacies here in Germany and they did not know what

flower of sulfur is. Then i asked for the lye soap and they asked me about the

ph as there are different ones and i just do not know.

>

>I am getting desperate with my scalp and hair, i just can't get them out there,

tried tea tree oil, sulfur 8 conditioner, selsun blue shampoo, dr. bronner's

magic shampoo peppermint did no magic at all. All these remedies only work

temporarily.

>

>Any other suggestions ? Wish i'd still lived in the States ...

>

>

>

>>

>> Hi!

>> Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?

>>

>> C

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill If you want sulfur with little odor buy USP grade, also safe for ingestion.

http://www.pennherb.com/301.html

You no doubt recognize Sulfur as a common ingredient in many over-the-counter

preparations for skin blemishes. However, this amazing mineral does more than

promote skin health! The body uses Sulphur to maintain bone and joint health as

well. It's involved in the production of collagen, the principal protein of

tendons and cartilage. Use Nature's Wonderland Sulfur with confidence. Our pure,

USP grade Sulphur means it meets the United States Pharmacopoeia's standard of

high quality. Our Sulfur is an odorless, lime-colored, very fine powder. COMMON

NAMES: Brimstone, Flowers of Sulphur, Sulfur, Sulphur.

Other Uses: Itchy skin; dandruff; helps facilitate removal of toxins from body.

Suggested directions: To make ointment: Combine 1- 4 oz Sulphur powder, 6 oz

Cocoa Butter and 1 oz Beeswax; heat together in covered pot on low heat for 3

hours; cool and use.

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> >> Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bill,

Many thanks for your mail. Had missed it and am just reading it now.

I agree with you on the sulfur, it seems to be the only clue with those mites. I

have meanwhile been able to purchase a sulfur soap bar plus a sulfur bath in the

pharmacy. Flower of sulfur or lye i couldn't get hold of, asked in different

pharmacies.

Arm & Hammer and Borax is also not available in Germany.

I just had a first dip in the sulfur bath and yes, it dries out pretty much, but

the mites are leaving me alone tonight, although it is late at night where

they're usually most active.

I'd probably try to order online at Penn Herbs next, coz i prefer the odourless

quality, but will first see how it works with the sulfur products i have just

got.

Taking the MSM and DE internally is still helping a lot.

You seem to be quite a mite expert Bill. How long have you been fighting these

horrible bugs and where did you get them from?

I am so grateful for all the nice and helpful people on this forum, including

you.

God bless you too

Aggi

> >>

> >> Hi!

> >> Just wanted to know if flower of sulfur is the same as MSM?

> >>

> >> C

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[Guest guest]

Hi aggi

Yes sulfur is a help , I am not sure the odorles is so odorless , I still smell

sufur .

The peroxide water borax mix is far mor effective , but the mix is harder on

te kidneys.

I have had this bug since oct 2005 . It is gone now ..

Praise God ,

Bill

On Wed Apr 27th, 2011 5:47 PM EDT Aggi wrote:

>Hi Bill,

>

>Many thanks for your mail. Had missed it and am just reading it now.

>I agree with you on the sulfur, it seems to be the only clue with those mites.

I have meanwhile been able to purchase a sulfur soap bar plus a sulfur bath in

the pharmacy. Flower of sulfur or lye i couldn't get hold of, asked in different

pharmacies.

>Arm & Hammer and Borax is also not available in Germany.

>I just had a first dip in the sulfur bath and yes, it dries out pretty much,

but the mites are leaving me alone tonight, although it is late at night where

they're usually most active.

>I'd probably try to order online at Penn Herbs next, coz i prefer the odourless

quality, but will first see how it works with the sulfur products i have just

got.

>Taking the MSM and DE internally is still helping a lot.

>You seem to be quite a mite expert Bill. How long have you been fighting these

horrible bugs and where did you get them from?

>

>I am so grateful for all the nice and helpful people on this forum, including

you.

>

>God bless you too

>Aggi

>

>

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