Re: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to come up with doable suggestions

[Guest guest]

My heart goes out to you and your family Cecilia. Please look at the files

section of the site to see if there is any info there that is useful to you in

your situation. Also, the check-out birdmites.org website for treatment

strategies. I seem to have a different type of bird mite than most people on

this site and what has worked for many people has not worked for us and so I

want you to try things that worked for most folks even if it didn't work for us.

The things that have worked for us are limited and in many ways very complex.

Here are the main things for us:

Laundry: At least 1 cup of either bleach (for whites) or ammonia (for darks)

per load on the highest setting possible with an extra long rinse cycle. Let

the clothes soak for a little while if possible (not absolutely needed though)

in the washer. Never mix bleach and ammonia. Iron EVERYTHING possible just

before you wear it. Keep all dirty laundry in sealed plastic bags or in tubs

with double sided carpet tape around each one to caught escaping mites. Only

wear clothes 1 time and then put them in dirty bins as soon as you take them

off. Wear a ' house uniform' of a white comfortable shirt, pants, or other

white clothes that are cheap and easy to wash. Buy 3-4 sets of these clothes to

wear whenever you will be home for awhile and need to take off your street

clothes due to ANY crawling sensations. Buy the cheapest stuff you can and let

it get ruined by 100000000 washing. Many people like polyester slick materials

for clothing because mites seem to like cotton best and it feels good on

irritated skin. Cotton is good to though cuz it can be ironed on high heat.

Our laundry was pretty good with the above suggestions. But was never 100%

wonderful until we found BioKleen Plus enzymes. So see if they sell anything

natural with enzymes and perhaps oxy boosters where you are at a natural

products store. Perhaps it will be as good as BioKleen Plus. The regular

biokleen detergent did NOT work to get mite out of our clothes.You will likey

need something strong.

We used borax and arm & hammer because it works for everyone else for laundry

and the house. But we had no luck with it, even with soaking. We even sprayed

it and left it on all surfaces of our house and had no luck with it there

either. We took a full week of 'vacation' from work to do this and when it made

no difference in the mite activity in the house I felt devastated.But this

worked well for Bill and other so we had to try it.

For the environment:

-Vacuum: Your vacuum MUST have a HEPA filter. Otherwise the mites will be

distributed throughout the house as you vacuum. We changed our bag daily or

else we sealed it with tape and sealed it in a plastic bag in the freezer. We

sprayed the inside and outside of the vacuum with WHITE vinegar and peroxide

(one on top the other) inside and out 1 time a week.

-Swifter dust: We like these better than the vacuum and use them as frequently

as we can on all surfaces we have time to rub down.

-Extra large 10 " EVERCARE tape rollers with the extra long handle. We buy

refill rolls online by the carton. They are worth their huge price tag for us.

We tape our bed (the thick plastic it is well sealed with) every time we change

the sheets. We have found our very best mite specimens on this type of tape when

searching with the microscope. Unfortunately, the entomologist only want mites

in alcohol. But the taped ones look good to us. They are completely clear and

so tiny they are not seen with the naked eye unless filled with blood. When we

feel prickling, we tape all around us and ourselves.

-I put sulfur dust (Bonide) dissolved in water with a sprayer in all the cracks

and crevices at the floor boards and it dries to a chalky consistency.... but it

is not okay to breath in so I use very very little of it and wipe away any

visible yellow dust outside the crack that is extra that could get air-born over

time. We had a thick coat of DE down over everything and a thick coat of Roach

Prufe down over everything for about 3-6 months and each of them had no

noticeable effect on the mite activity. However, these product helped so many

other people os much that I still take 1 tablespoon of DE (foodgrade) in my

breakfast drink daily, now I add a tsp of sulfur to the drink too. Yes, I am

crazy I think. But nothing has worked for us like sulfur...

-The house: The best things we did for our house is to get rid of everything we

own that we absolutely did not need. We put everything we did need on plastic

tables in plastic bins with 2-way carpet tape around them. We live like zen

Monks.We dress in only things that can be washes and abused by 100,000's of

washings.

Internal stuff: We strongly think that mites were thriving in our digestive

tract. That is why the Happy Tummy intestinal cleanse we do the first 10 days

of each month is so important for us. It is horrible to think that they maybe

in your urinary tract!!! Perhaps do something to clean out the urinary tract

such as non-sweetened cranberry juice???? I don;t know anything about this

stuff. Do sulfa based antibiotic clear urinary infections... perhaps this is an

option...??? All these drugs can cause other problems though with fungal growth

etc... so a good probiotic would be wise, etc.. if you go that route.

I've gotta go to work now. I will write you more about our 'internal protocol'

later. I know many other people did not benefit from an internal protocol, but

we have very much.

You and your 1 year old and everyone else suffering for this on this site are in

my prayer. we will help each other through it. We all seem to have different

mites and so different solutions are needed.

z3

>

> Dear Zoe!

> If I should soak the wash, in what do I soak it and for how long?

> How much bleach would you put in one machine of wash?

> Is it white vinegar? Should I spray on all surfaces in the house? (would take

a

> week...)

> No BilKleem detergent, no orange oil cleaner or steri fab...

> I think I´ve gotten the awful mites internally. My urinary tract was crawling

> the other night and now I have a problem there. Also my 1 year old daughter.

> She´s got bad blood values, but no bacterias in the urine samples, but very

red

> and irritated and sick...

> I´m really scared of this now.

> Thanks for caring and I understand you have a lot of work to do. I hardly have

> time to be here either, but I just have to come forward.

> Warm regards

> Cecilia

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:30:16 AM

> Subject: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to come up

> with doable suggestions

>

>

> Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few suggestions

below..

> but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or probably

Monday

> cuz my schedule is nutty right now.

>

>

> YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as best we

can

> too.

>

> 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it EVERYWHERE

you

> can, then wipe the surface dry.

>

> 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the base. get

> plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with the H2O2 and

> the vinegar system first).

>

>

> 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them in them in

> the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white linens now cuz

> even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a lot of

> ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and Hammer and

> borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems, so it

> probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things then.

>

> 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus detergent? A

> strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?

>

> z3

>

[Guest guest]

Sue was a HUGE help to us Cecelia and she helped Lynn and others as well.

THANKS SUE!

> >

> > Dear Zoe!

> > If I should soak the wash, in what do I soak it and for how long?

> > How much bleach would you put in one machine of wash?

> > Is it white vinegar? Should I spray on all surfaces in the house?

> (would take a

> > week...)

> > No BilKleem detergent, no orange oil cleaner or steri fab...

> > I think I´ve gotten the awful mites internally. My urinary tract

> was crawling

> > the other night and now I have a problem there. Also my 1 year old

> daughter.

> > She´s got bad blood values, but no bacterias in the urine samples,

> but very red

> > and irritated and sick...

> > I´m really scared of this now.

> > Thanks for caring and I understand you have a lot of work to do. I

> hardly have

> > time to be here either, but I just have to come forward.

> > Warm regards

> > Cecilia

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Zoe zoe_z3@

> > bird mites

> > Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:30:16 AM

> > Subject: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to

> come up

> > with doable suggestions

> >

> >

> > Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few

> suggestions below..

> > but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or

> probably Monday

> > cuz my schedule is nutty right now.

> >

> >

> > YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as

> best we can

> > too.

> >

> > 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it

> EVERYWHERE you

> > can, then wipe the surface dry.

> >

> > 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the

> base. get

> > plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with the

> H2O2 and

> > the vinegar system first).

> >

> >

> > 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them in

> them in

> > the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white linens

> now cuz

> > even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a

> lot of

> > ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and

> Hammer and

> > borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems, so

> it

> > probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things

> then.

> >

> > 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus

> detergent? A

> > strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?

> >

> > z3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yikes! The charges really seem off for what might amount to 15 pounds or so. You might want to contact drugstore.com's international customer care department to double-check the rates. Their email is toward the bottom of this page http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215 . My business uses international carriers & I've never encountered rates like that. Willing to look into sending what you want directly from me to you if you don't find a reasonable rate from customer service or another supplier. Send a private message to me if you'd like to explore that, including your city & postal code so I can get a quote.

Try searching "orange oil cleaner sweden". The one below turned up on that search. When I have time later I'll google more.

Here's what looks very similar to the Orange Plus out of the United Kingdom - http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_Friendly_Concentrated_Orange_Mate_500ml.html

Best wishes, Sue

> >> > Dear Zoe!> > If I should soak the wash, in what do I soak it and for how long?> > How much bleach would you put in one machine of wash?> > Is it white vinegar? Should I spray on all surfaces in the house? (would take a > >> > week...)> > No BilKleem detergent, no orange oil cleaner or steri fab...> > I think I´ve gotten the awful mites internally. My urinary tract was crawling > > > the other night and now I have a problem there. Also my 1 year old daughter. > > She´s got bad blood values, but no bacterias in the urine samples, but very > >red > >> > and irritated and sick...> > I´m really scared of this now. > > Thanks for caring and I understand you have a lot of work to do. I hardly have > > > time to be here either, but I just have to come forward.> > Warm regards> > Cecilia> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Zoe zoe_z3@> > bird mites > > Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:30:16 AM> > Subject: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to come up > > with doable suggestions> > > > > > Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few suggestions below.. > >> > but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or probably Monday > >> > cuz my schedule is nutty right now. > > > > > > YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as best we can > > > too.> > > > 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it EVERYWHERE you > >> > can, then wipe the surface dry.> > > > 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the base. get > > plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with the H2O2 and > > > the vinegar system first). > > > > > > 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them in them in > > the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white linens now cuz > > even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a lot of > > ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and Hammer and > > borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems, so it > > probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things then.> > > > 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus detergent? A > > strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?> > > > z3> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue ,

Way to go ,

I will paypal half the money th ship the poor lady some borax, I hope she mixes

it with

16 oz peroxide

32 ox of water

2 tbls of borax

because then it is so very effective & kills all bites when applied top of head

to toe & left on till the next shower. ) did it 19 days. , then I had to stop

because it effects my kidneys . Then I switches to arm & hammer powdered laundry

soap bath 1 cup & it stopped the deep ones from bothering me.

God bless you Sue , keep up the good work ,

Bill,

ps send me your paypal email & I will pay for half of her shipping

pss sorry about the typos, I am on a cell phone typing this

, shipping to sweden is probally $50.00 .

Do you think the orane claer worj better the borax ?

I ued norax in the beginning & did not get intant result sso I quit , & use

dish soap , it was instaan at killing tthe bug . Once I had it reduced in ninber

& weak then I stared using epsom , it stopped it better , now I use borax & it

keeps them down to weak & few bugs, iMop with arm & hammer powdered laundry soap

1 cup per gallon weekly.

I used desolvit orange cleaner inthe beginning & it helped , but nothing like a

flood of dawn dish spap on every thing, 1 cup Dawn per 5 cups of water . But

what a mess dawn was though . , I cleaned it up though eventually , I would of

been easier to heat treat a way cheaper .

On Fri Dec 10th, 2010 10:54 AM EST vaseagull wrote:

>

>Yikes! The charges really seem off for what might amount to 15 pounds

>or so. You might want to contact drugstore.com's international customer

>care department to double-check the rates. Their email is toward the

>bottom of this page

>http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215

><http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215> . My

>business uses international carriers & I've never encountered rates like

>that. Willing to look into sending what you want directly from me to you

>if you don't find a reasonable rate from customer service or another

>supplier. Send a private message to me if you'd like to explore that,

>including your city & postal code so I can get a quote.

>

>Try searching " orange oil cleaner sweden " . The one below turned up on

>that search. When I have time later I'll google more.

>

>Here's what looks very similar to the Orange Plus out of the United

>Kingdom -

>http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_F\

>riendly_Concentrated_Orange_Mate_500ml.html

><http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_\

>Friendly_Concentrated_Orange_Mate_500ml.html>

>

>Best wishes, Sue

>

>

>

>> >

>> > Dear Zoe!

>> > If I should soak the wash, in what do I soak it and for how long?

>> > How much bleach would you put in one machine of wash?

>> > Is it white vinegar? Should I spray on all surfaces in the house?

>(would take a

>> >

>> > week...)

>> > No BilKleem detergent, no orange oil cleaner or steri fab...

>> > I think I´ve gotten the awful mites internally. My urinary

>tract was crawling

>>

>> > the other night and now I have a problem there. Also my 1 year old

>daughter.

>> > She´s got bad blood values, but no bacterias in the urine

>samples, but very

>> >red

>> >

>> > and irritated and sick...

>> > I´m really scared of this now.

>> > Thanks for caring and I understand you have a lot of work to do. I

>hardly have

>>

>> > time to be here either, but I just have to come forward.

>> > Warm regards

>> > Cecilia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> > From: Zoe zoe_z3@

>> > bird mites

>> > Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:30:16 AM

>> > Subject: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to

>come up

>> > with doable suggestions

>> >

>> >

>> > Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few

>suggestions below..

>> >

>> > but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or

>probably Monday

>> >

>> > cuz my schedule is nutty right now.

>> >

>> >

>> > YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as

>best we can

>>

>> > too.

>> >

>> > 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it

>EVERYWHERE you

>> >

>> > can, then wipe the surface dry.

>> >

>> > 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the

>base. get

>> > plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with

>the H2O2 and

>>

>> > the vinegar system first).

>> >

>> >

>> > 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them

>in them in

>> > the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white

>linens now cuz

>> > even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a

>lot of

>> > ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and

>Hammer and

>> > borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems,

>so it

>> > probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things

>then.

>> >

>> > 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus

>detergent? A

>> > strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?

>> >

>> > z3

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue and ,I was going to send Cecelia some Cedarcide lotion and a few oz of Diatomecious Earth if she wants them. If you want to combine my stuff with yours it might lower the shipping costs overall and I would share the shipping charges with you. Write me at my personal email address.

>

>Yikes! The charges really seem off for what might amount to 15 pounds

>or so. You might want to contact drugstore.com's international customer

>care department to double-check the rates. Their email is toward the

>bottom of this page

>http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215

><http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215> . My

>business uses international carriers & I've never encountered rates like

>that. Willing to look into sending what you want directly from me to you

>if you don't find a reasonable rate from customer service or another

>supplier. Send a private message to me if you'd like to explore that,

>including your city & postal code so I can get a quote.

>

>Try searching "orange oil cleaner sweden". The one below turned up on

>that search. When I have time later I'll google more.

>

>Here's what looks very similar to the Orange Plus out of the United

>Kingdom -

>http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_F\

>riendly_Concentrated_Orange_Mate_500ml.html

><http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_\

>Friendly_Concentrated_Orange_Mate_500ml.html>

>

>Best wishes, Sue

>

>

>

>> >

>> > Dear Zoe!

>> > If I should soak the wash, in what do I soak it and for how long?

>> > How much bleach would you put in one machine of wash?

>> > Is it white vinegar? Should I spray on all surfaces in the house?

>(would take a

>> >

>> > week...)

>> > No BilKleem detergent, no orange oil cleaner or steri fab...

>> > I think I´ve gotten the awful mites internally. My urinary

>tract was crawling

>>

>> > the other night and now I have a problem there. Also my 1 year old

>daughter.

>> > She´s got bad blood values, but no bacterias in the urine

>samples, but very

>> >red

>> >

>> > and irritated and sick...

>> > I´m really scared of this now.

>> > Thanks for caring and I understand you have a lot of work to do. I

>hardly have

>>

>> > time to be here either, but I just have to come forward.

>> > Warm regards

>> > Cecilia

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > ________________________________

>> > From: Zoe zoe_z3@

>> > bird mites

>> > Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:30:16 AM

>> > Subject: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to

>come up

>> > with doable suggestions

>> >

>> >

>> > Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few

>suggestions below..

>> >

>> > but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or

>probably Monday

>> >

>> > cuz my schedule is nutty right now.

>> >

>> >

>> > YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as

>best we can

>>

>> > too.

>> >

>> > 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it

>EVERYWHERE you

>> >

>> > can, then wipe the surface dry.

>> >

>> > 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the

>base. get

>> > plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with

>the H2O2 and

>>

>> > the vinegar system first).

>> >

>> >

>> > 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them

>in them in

>> > the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white

>linens now cuz

>> > even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a

>lot of

>> > ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and

>Hammer and

>> > borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems,

>so it

>> > probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things

>then.

>> >

>> > 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus

>detergent? A

>> > strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?

>> >

>> > z3

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really wonder what they will charge you for shipping. Sent a package to Germany today which was less than 2 lbs (12" x 9" x 1" dimension... they wanted $30 to ship it Express). Much less expensive to send flat rate, but I knew it would not get there by Christmas from experience. I do not know what they open in customs and what they do not open.

cecelia please hang in there, We will try to>come up>> > with doable suggestions>> >>> >>> > Can you stay anywhere else for a little while? I have a few>suggestions below..>> >>> > but I have many more. I can't write much to you until Sunday or>probably Monday>> >>> > cuz my schedule is nutty right now.>> >>> >>> > YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS. All of us on this site will help you as>best we can>>>> > too.>> >>> > 1) Try spraying first vinegar and then hydrogen peroxide over it>EVERYWHERE you>> >>> > can, then wipe the surface dry.>> >>> > 2) Get the beds off the floor and put 2-way tape carpet around the>base. get>> > plastic crock shoes and put them on after shower (spray them with>the H2O2 and>>>> > the vinegar system first).>> >>> >>> > 3) Get in bed naked with clean sheets. BLEACH the heck out of them>in them in>> > the washer to get them mite-free if needed. We have only white>linens now cuz>> > even the bioKleen plus is very strong and takes out colors. Or use a>lot of>> > ammonia in your wash if you do not want to use bleach... Arm and>Hammer and>> > borax did not work for us. But it works for everyone else it seems,>so it>> > probably would work for you... but I think you have to soak things>then.>> >>> > 4) Do they sell Steri-fab where you are? BilKleem premiun plus>detergent? A>> > strong orange oil cleaner? Swifter dusters?>> >>> > z3>> >>>>>

[Guest guest]

You´re just so nice helping!CeciliaFrom: Doe <doe1769@...>bird mites Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 7:03:55 AMSubject: Re: Re: cecelia please hang in there, We will try to come up with doable suggestions

Hi Sue ,

Way to go ,

I will paypal half the money th ship the poor lady some borax, I hope she mixes it with

16 oz peroxide

32 ox of water

2 tbls of borax

because then it is so very effective & kills all bites when applied top of head to toe & left on till the next shower. ) did it 19 days. , then I had to stop because it effects my kidneys . Then I switches to arm & hammer powdered laundry soap bath 1 cup & it stopped the deep ones from bothering me.

God bless you Sue , keep up the good work ,

Bill,

ps send me your paypal email & I will pay for half of her shipping

pss sorry about the typos, I am on a cell phone typing this

, shipping to sweden is probally $50.00 .

Do you think the orane claer worj better the borax ?

I ued norax in the beginning & did not get intant result sso I quit , & use dish soap , it was instaan at killing tthe bug . Once I had it reduced in ninber & weak then I stared using epsom , it stopped it better , now I use borax & it keeps them down to weak & few bugs, iMop with arm & hammer powdered laundry soap 1 cup per gallon weekly.

I used desolvit orange cleaner inthe beginning & it helped , but nothing like a flood of dawn dish spap on every thing, 1 cup Dawn per 5 cups of water . But what a mess dawn was though . , I cleaned it up though eventually , I would of been easier to heat treat a way cheaper .

On Fri Dec 10th, 2010 10:54 AM EST vaseagull wrote:

>

>Yikes! The charges really seem off for what might amount to 15 pounds

>or so. You might want to contact drugstore.com's international customer

>care department to double-check the rates. Their email is toward the

>bottom of this page

>http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215

><http://drugstore.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1215> . My

>business uses international carriers & I've never encountered rates like

>that. Willing to look into sending what you want directly from me to you

>if you don't find a reasonable rate from customer service or another

>supplier. Send a private message to me if you'd like to explore that,

>including your city & postal code so I can get a quote.

>

>Try searching "orange oil cleaner sweden". The one below turned up on

>that search. When I have time later I'll google more.

>

>Here's what looks very similar to the Orange Plus out of the United

>Kingdom -

>http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/830590_Earth_F, Cecilia Borg

>wrote:

>>

>> Thanks for suggestion, I went straight in to order but the shipping

>costs for

>> borax and detergent + orange cleaner was 350 dollars!! So not

>possible.

>> I´ll have to try another way.

>>

>> Cecilia

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: vaseagull sue@...

>> bird mites

>> Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 3:33:08 PM

>> Subject: Re: cecelia please hang in there, We will try

>to come

>> up with doable suggestions

>>

>>

>> If you go to www.drugstore.com near the top right of the page you'll

>see

>> "international". Click that & you get a dropdown menu of countries the

>site will

>> ship to, including Sweden. The site carries many products you can

>locate with

>> the search box, including:

>> BioKleen Premium Plus Laundry Detergent

>>

>http://www.drugstore.com/qxp94854/biokleen/premium_plus_all_temperature_

>>

>http://www.drugstore.com/qxp152330/swiffer/sweeper_dry_sweeping_refills. |

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