ESP Marketing Practices: Unethical

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Ok, I got curious why new members often get attacked here so I did some serious

digging. I'm bumping this thread for the benefit of newbies and/or impartial

readers who may be wondering why discussions on this board so often appear

artificial and manipulated in nature.

My personal comments follow the thread originally posted by Danterises:

'It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange for positive

reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products instead of $.

Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I don't know

exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and troll-like

activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum about this and

she said,

" Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally emailing our members

harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them with lawsuits if they

discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her plenty of opportunities

but she was more interested in controlling the flow of the forum with her many

trolls than letting her products simply speak for themselves. "

So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so crazy and bent out

of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad about esp don't be

surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all defensive and start

accusing you of everything under the sun.'

I would add to Dante's the thread the following observation: ESP oil (by T.

Springstead) isn't the only thing they subversively tout. I checked out

Springstead, her brother, Mr. Common Sense, and the Healing Grapevine. They all

push the same protocol because they all work with each other to sell

Springstead's products and protocols that serve their agenda – the same one they

push here and if you stray from their agenda they will attack you with every

dirty trick in the book. Including, but not limited to, sending viruses to your

personal computer or threatening email of a legal nature. That's right!

Springstead will personally threaten you with legal action if you dare talk

about her products in an unbiased fashion on internet forums. Most forums have

thrown her a*s out but her cult members still have a stronghold here at

birdmites. This last tidbit appears courtesy a seasoned bird mite warrior who

gave me a head's up on the nasty mechanism behind the Springstead machine.

Her cult members post as if their very income depends on it. They frequently

give themselves away and take ownership of the following products, which just

happen to fall in line Springstead's MO:

- ESP (go figure, she owns the freaking company)

- ANU Water (go figure, she's marketing it on her website now and using it in

her crap)

The other one I'm still working on. They get extremely bent of shape if any

disparaging remarks are made about " earth friendly, I dribble it on my privates

everyday " Orange Plus.

Insight of Note: In addition to subversively leading discussion in favor of

their primary product, ESP, they frequently tout products that either don't work

and/or are in direct competition to ESP (like dr bronners, orange plus).

Products that are a threat to ESP are routinely attacked – these include Jim

Humble's products, competing skin care manufacturers like *DSP, and serious

orange cleaners like Green Terpene. I am now told they react to Roache Prufe

like vampires to garlic.

*Note: Assuming Marc Newman's DSP products have been around longer than

Springstead's snake oil, it is my contention she ripped off Newman's company

name. You have to admit – ESP sounds an awful lot like DSP. Difference is Newman

is a serious researcher who doesn't make a career out of terrorizing sufferers.

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WOW. I mean, I already knew about Trisha Springstead. Someone even found worms

in her ESP body balm. Can you imagine? That's disgusting beyond words. $60 for a

jar of oil that grows live, wriggling worms. She sent in some stupid lawyer and

threatened and everyone on that forum with a lawsuit just for talking

about it. She would have needed working, paid trolls there to have seen the

conversation in the first place. How pathetic. I have seen her trolls here at

this forum too. They are here big time.

Now what blows me away is that Healing Grapevine is even advertising her

products because they seem nice otherwise. They are going to turn off a lot of

sufferers by affiliating with her.

I didn't know Trisha is brother to Mr. Common Sense. I've read his site on and

off, more off than on. He is egotistical and he seems mean toward animals. I

don't know if you heard but he poses under a different name at Topix and is

super mean to people there. It's really sad that people like him and his sister

mess up so many lives. I am personally so sick of people like this taking

advantage of other people's suffering, like I heard somebody else here say it's

time to get angry! Not just angry against the things infesting our bodies and

environments but the people who are somehow getting a power trip off all this.

When I see these people like this I don't think it's just about money with them,

they like the power. They revel in the power and they enjoy all the attention

they get off being some kind of expert even if they are not. They get off on

being some kind of guru. It's like a cult. Kim

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> > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange

for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them

with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves. "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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this is so sad gosh if it's true I know people have problems with different marketing practices my friend was telling me some awful things about a line of products I don't want to mention...best to make Your own for safety I think From: kimstat90 <no_reply >bird mites Sent:

Sat, December 4, 2010 12:40:59 AMSubject: Re: ESP Marketing Practices: Unethical

WOW. I mean, I already knew about Trisha Springstead. Someone even found worms in her ESP body balm. Can you imagine? That's disgusting beyond words. $60 for a jar of oil that grows live, wriggling worms. She sent in some stupid lawyer and threatened and everyone on that forum with a lawsuit just for talking about it. She would have needed working, paid trolls there to have seen the conversation in the first place. How pathetic. I have seen her trolls here at this forum too. They are here big time.

Now what blows me away is that Healing Grapevine is even advertising her products because they seem nice otherwise. They are going to turn off a lot of sufferers by affiliating with her.

I didn't know Trisha is brother to Mr. Common Sense. I've read his site on and off, more off than on. He is egotistical and he seems mean toward animals. I don't know if you heard but he poses under a different name at Topix and is super mean to people there. It's really sad that people like him and his sister mess up so many lives. I am personally so sick of people like this taking advantage of other people's suffering, like I heard somebody else here say it's time to get angry! Not just angry against the things infesting our bodies and environments but the people who are somehow getting a power trip off all this. When I see these people like this I don't think it's just about money with them, they like the power. They revel in the power and they enjoy all the attention they get off being some kind of expert even if they are not. They get off on being some kind of guru. It's like a cult. Kim

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange

for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them

with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves."

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Oh yes I agree. If you wouldn't mind I'd like to hear which product was

talking about so I can possibly avoid it. Us consumers need to help each other.

Kim

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in

exchange

> for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in

products

> instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works.

I

> don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

> troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

> about this and she said,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

> emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening

them

> with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

> plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

> the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

> themselves. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

> crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

> about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

> defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

>

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It was a line of coconut oil products but can't remember the brand name.. very strong smelling but the oil it self in these lotions was rancid...She couldn't get a refund and has been raging about it....so let me call Her and find out brand name...From: kimstat90 <no_reply >bird mites Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 1:34:32

AMSubject: Re: ESP Marketing Practices: Unethical

Oh yes I agree. If you wouldn't mind I'd like to hear which product was talking about so I can possibly avoid it. Us consumers need to help each other. Kim

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange

> for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

> instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

> don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

> troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

> about this and she said,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

> emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them

> with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

> plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

> the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

> themselves."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

> crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

> about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

> defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

>

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Thanks Rose! when you found what used please let us know. Kim

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in

> >exchange

> > for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in

> products

> > instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program

works.

> I

> > don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

> > troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

> > about this and she said,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

> > emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening

> them

> > with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave

her

> > plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow

of

> > the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

> > themselves. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get

so

> > crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything

bad

> > about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

> > defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

> > > > > > > > > >

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> >

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