Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Oh, then it wasn't Obama on the campaign trail talking about the fact that HE was going to give us national healthcare if you voted for him. He may not be writing it, but he has a level of involvement because we wouldn't be on this course with congress if he wasn't in office. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Pixeleen <wannagirl43215@...> wrote: > > > BTW- it's not 'Obama's healthcare plan'. The authors of the bill are on > the first page of the text and he is not one of them. He has nothing to do > with this. HE's asking the senate to concoct a healthcare bill, and they're > doing it. He has NOTHING to do with it. He merely approves or disapproves > in the end, with no input whatsoever into the writing of the bill. > > Hollie > > http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/ > http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html > My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Amen Trish! On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Trish Chapman <twotheark@...>wrote: > > > The main problem is see with the proposed health care reform is that it > gives the goverment a lot of vague authority but no limitations. No matter > what they say their intentions are now, those intentions can quickly > change. > And they will. It seems that to do what they are proposing without limiting > > care and withholding care from those less " valuable " it will simply cost > too > much. They are going to have to make cuts in health care. They are not > going to just " visit " door to door to counsel people about health care > because they care so much about us. Giving anyone that much authority is > just plain asking for trouble. They will abuse it. Just like in land > when they threatened parents with fines and jail time if they didn't > vaccinate their kids. They could have told the parents to fill out the > exemption forms or get the vaccines, but they didn't say that. They had the > > police there to " encourage " vaccines. The schools are supposed to be > teaching. They aren't even doing their primary job well, but yet they have > time and money to be in the vaccine business. The government needs to start > > limiting the drug companies, not us. > > Trish > > Re: Re: Has anyone read this? > > Here it is, the actual wording from the bill regarding Advance Care > Planning > Consultations, it is NOT called end of life counseling, which I, myself > have > referred to it as: > > ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation > 6 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the > 7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between > the > individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance > care planning, > 10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has > 11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such > 12 consultation shall include the following: > > 13 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Sara, Hitler was LOVED by the people. Don't forget that. He even claimed himself to be a Christian in some of his speeches. I've READ his speeches and I've read materials from the Nuremberg Trials. What we have been taught about him is the results of his reign, but we are never taught how he did it. You don't know if he was hateful or not. Some of his words:* “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”* German army belt buckle which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as *“God With Us”.* ** Doesn't sound like a man on a mission to kill people, does it? Just look at the crowds of people who LOVED Hitler! He got elected promising “Change.” The radio and everywhere on the streets “With our Fuhrer to lead us, we can do it! We can change the world!” Here's what this holocaust survivor said about that time: * " Where had they vanished to while under nationalized health care? It became an open secret. The elderly and sick began to disappear from hospitals feet first as “mercy killing” became the policy. Children with disabilities and those who had Down syndrome were euthanized. People whispered, “Maybe it is better for them now. Put them out of misery. They are no longer suffering. And, of course, their death is better for the treasury of our nation. Our taxes no longer must be spent to care for such a burden.” And so murder was called mercy.* ** *The government took over private business. Industry and health care were “nationalized.” (NA-ZI means National Socialist Party) The businesses of all Jews were seized. (Perhaps you remember our story in Berlin on Krystalnacht in the book Munich Signature)The world and God’s word were turned upside down. Hitler promised the people economic Change?* ** *I have experienced the signs of the politics of Death in my youth. I see them again now.* ** We have learned NOTHING from Hitler, because we have not studied how he rose to power & what he said to the people and what he believed and how he implemented it. <http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/holocaust-survivor-warns-of-obam\ a-becoming-the-next-hitler/> Obama has not expressed hate (you are right), but he certainly has a lot of ties to people who speak hate! If you dismiss those, there is nothing I can do about that. But, a person can be defined by the company they keep. Let's keep in mind, I don't like Bush either. I could give you a list from the Bush years that certainly trouble me as well. I'm not playing right vs. left. Sara, Americans need to wake up to the fact that both sides are taking our freedoms - one by one. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sara <sassygirl1218@...> wrote: > OMG! They are not trying to kill anyone! The end of life counseling is > NOT mandatory it is OPTIONAL. The bill says that if a patient wants it, > they will pay for a half hour counseling session with their doctor to make > sure that what they want at the end of their lives is what they get. It is > OPTIONAL for EVERYONE who wants it, not just old people. Obama is not > trying to kill off granny for pete's sake! > > I understand that not everyone is keen on offering people a government > OPTION when it comes to health care, I mean, I know that many think that > health care is a priviledge, I see it as a right. But, if you have issues > with the bill, READ IT YOURSELF and take issue with things that are in the > actual bill and not what some side with an agenda wants you to think you > should take issue with. Or listen to what all sides say about the bill then > READ THOSE SECTIONS YOURSELF! > > As for the Hitler comparisons, for crying outloud! Hitler was a hateful > man who brought his hate to his office. He used psychological means to > convince Germans that the Jews were what was wrong with the country. Obama > has never expressed hate toward any group of people. If anyone has tried to > accomplish getting us to hate any group of people, it would have been Bush & > Co. trying to encite hate and fear in us toward Iraqis and Muslims! > > Hitler has been dead for many years, we have learned a lot from him about > how not to be, but why oh why does his name come up when anyone wants to > make us fear any leader? Aye, aye aye > > > > ---- Amy <designconceptsstudio@...> wrote: > > ============= > Wow! People should ask themselves how any country of people can > eventually > be OK with killing off others as they did in Nazi Germany??? What started > it? The didn't just round up the Jews one day - a lot happened before that > to prepare people for this. And these were people just like us. We are no > different - EXCEPT we have the internet where information is more > available. What are we going to do differently? > > Thanks for posting this!!! Has anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? > http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm > > This lists the 10 Guides (commandments) #1: *Maintain humanity under > 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.* > How does one do that when the world's population is 6.7 billion now? I > heard that Bill Clinton said we need to reduce the population by 1 billion. > > > Vaccines, genetic engineered seeds, government run healthcare, auto & > banking - it's all tied together and none of it is to " help " people. It is > designed clearly to " hurt " and " control " . > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Maracuja <howdurdago@...> wrote: > > > > > > > This was sent to me from a friend who recently had > > treatment in Ca. > > > > You know, there are times when I have seen that snopes is not accurate. > > And this is one. > > > > I > > have read the Bill, various links, and the link provided to the blog > > with interest. One glaring sentence in the blog jumped out and it made > > me cringe. > > > > " ... and one of the most shocking things I found in this bill - and there > > were many - is on page 425 where the Congress would make it mandatory, > > absolutely > > required, that every five years people in Medicare have a required > > counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner. > > How to decline nutrition, how to decline being hydrated, how to go into > > hospice care... " > > > > At the end of this quote the blogger goes on to state..... " Um, no. " > > > > I > > am here to state, " Um, yes. " And I will tell you why. My recent visit > > to the State of California, especially the hospital, was very > > enlightening. I have heard that California is the first to implement > > these healthcare changes. I don't know what the policy is in other > > states, so I cannot say this for sure. However, I was in California. > > I was in the hospital there, and what I witnessed was very disturbing. > > > > First > > of all, when I was admitted into the hospital, they thought that there > > was something seriously wrong with me. Much more serious than a > > pulmonary infection and asthma. For one thing, I was put on the floor > > for lung cancer patients. While there, I observed many interactions > > between doctors and patients and as I felt better, I was able to walk > > around and personally visit with the patients there. > > > > One of > > the big changes coming to our country is facilitated deaths which are > > to be done under the guise of hospice care. No, let me rephrase that. > > The truth is that facilitated deaths are already here. I know for a > > fact that it is being implemented in the State of California. > > > > Take > > a look at the portion of the quoted text that is in bold. This is one > > of the ways that they are doing it. By withholding nourishment. In a > > conversation with one of the patients daughter's, hospice care came > > up. Her mother happened to be my roommate. Under professional advice, > > it was recommended that she put her mother in hospice. There are two > > blessings in this particular situation. The first is that the daughter > > elected to care for the mother at home. The second is that she had the > > freedom to be able to remove her from the " hospice " situation. > > > > Her major complaint was that she was instructed > > not to give her mother food or liquids unless she specifically asked > > for them. And you know, I guess not knowing better and trusting that > > these people knew what they were talking about, she complied. After > > day 4 of very little to no nourishment, yes, her mother was dying. She > > took one look at her and saw the drastic change, the graying skin, and > > became overcome with panic. After finding it necessary to remove her > > from hospice, she called an ambulance to have her brought to the > > hospital. The problem was dehydration. Once hydrated, she started > > eating normally and regained normal skin color. > > > > Through the > > hospital curtain, I witnessed a conversation between the daughter and > > her mother's doctor where the daughter described what had transpired > > during hospice and the doctor's reply was to state that older patients > > are put into hospice earlier than needed and that " hospice tends to > > facilitate death. " Then he said....... " Your mom still has a lot of > > life left in her. " Well, there is still honesty in the medical > > profession. Some still do have a heart. > > > > I > > am afraid that the proposals in this Bill are not only about to happen > > but that they are already occurring in some parts of the country. > > > > Either > > the blogger referenced in the prior post is grossly misinformed or she > > is purposely deceiving the public. And this is mainstream medicine's > > and mainstream media's main tactic. To slyly deceive the public. > > > > At this time more than ever we need common sense. > > > > > > > > From: Goss <natmedrocks@... <natmedrocks%40.au > >> > > Subject: Has anyone read this? > > Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40> > > Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 8:10 PM > > > > > > I received > > this from the US > > today > > > > > > > > Hear this > > interview at this link: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > > > > > > > PLEASE READ ALL. > > THIS IS SCAREY. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't believe this, then > > google Betsy McCaughey and find > > her article in the Wall Street Journal. > > I'm about ready to march on Washington > > .. How about you? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we ready to allow this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Betsy McCaughey > > (pronounced McCoy) who is the former Lt. Gov. of New York and is > devoting > > her life right now to telling the truth about Obama and his health-care > > bill. I went to the site and listened to the audio from his show with > > Betsy and she had read page 425 and 426 of the bill and (sit down) > > it states that all Social Security recipients will be required to report > > for > > counseling every 5 years where they will be encouraged to learn about > > and consider for themselves assisted suicide, refusal of advanced care, > > refusal > > of nutrition, encouragement of hospice care only with certain conditions > > and on > > and on. If a person is identified to have a serious > > illness such as cancer, > > heart disease and so on, then they will have to report > > every year for counseling about how to end their lives the quickest and > > cheapest way. Also, SS members and seriously ill folks will be forbidden > > to pay more out of their own pockets for extra treatments. > > > > > > > > I copied all > > this down and wrote down the web address as http://tinyurl.com/mcmq6h > > .. Also look at www.Defendyourhealthcare.com<http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com/> > <http://www.defendyourhealthcare.com/> > > > > for more info. I am not dreaming this, this was on national radio > > yesterday.. > > > > > > > > Please spread > > the word. I just called Senator Hutchison's office and talked to the > > person there and asked her if they were aware of this and they said yes, > > they > > knew about it and people were calling all day long. May the Lord in > > Heaven help us ! > > > > - G'mother of 4 - Qld > > Australia > > > > ____________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Access 7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. > > Show me how: http://au.mobile./mail > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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