Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 At times like this we have to kinda take a step back and perhaps just drop a little tiny hint. Ask the parents, how many shots did the baby get today? Then suggest perhaps only getting one at a time, or ask " have you thought about delaying them at all? " Ask a question or two that would make them think a little bit about the shot, what disease is that " supposed " to protect from? etc... just to get the parents thinking. So many parents don't even KNOW what shots the baby got, just that they got them.... making them really think about it might bring them to thinking a little more. If they happen to know exactly what shots the baby got, and are talking in an easy manner, you can perhaps steer the conversation further... I'm betting the parents don't like to see their own baby screaming and crying like that either - and the idea of delaying or one at time might apeal to them, and its easier to get that done than to totally talk them out of getting shots at all. Chelly Vaccinations From: spanishmiss430@... Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:03:48 +0000 Subject: So sad...just need to vent. Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. Melinda C. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI\ _PH_software:082009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Chelly, That's so true! I was one of those parents that didn't know what the shots were and I never knew that I had other options. No one has ever said anything like that to me. I wish someone did when I went thru that with my daughter. Good idea on the questions. I may try that the next time with friends who are not familiar with the vaxes. Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry So sad...just need to vent. Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. Melinda C. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=PID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI\ _PH_software:082009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I would be feeling the same way and although I would want to give my life long lecture on being a nurse and not vaccinating, I would have simply said: " Wow that sure is quite a mixture of who knows what ... if she had an allergic reaction how would you ever know what caused it? " A minute later follow up with " there is a better way you know. " This would give her some food for thought and then SHE would initiate a conversation giving YOU the opportunity to educate. We must keep on keeping on. KH > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Poor baby. I wish I had known too. The doctor just tells you that crying and fever are a normal reaction. Use Tylenol. It's horrible but when everyone you know does it too you don't really even think to question it. Thankfully when my daughter was 18 months one of my friends found out and told me. We both immediately decided to never vax again. I shudder to think of what would have happened with those 18 month shots considering that she was completely overloaded with mercury already as we found out years later. Could have been MUCH worse. My guess is full-blown autism. As it was daily migraines and gut disorders were the norm as well as allergies, ADD and I assume Aspergers since she fits the profile exactly if there's even such thing. I think it's all just toxicity and brain damage, call it what you want. Please warn your friends. Better to lose a friend and have a clean conscience. If they found out later that you knew and didn't tell them they'd be pretty upset too. Sharon > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 At 10:32 PM 8/14/2009, you wrote: >Poor baby. I wish I had known too. The doctor just tells you that >crying and fever are a normal reaction. Use Tylenol. It's horrible >but when everyone you know does it too you don't really even think >to question it. Thankfully when my daughter was 18 months one of my >friends found out and told me. We both immediately decided to never >vax again. I shudder to think of what would have happened with >those 18 month shots considering that she was completely overloaded >with mercury already as we found out years later. Could have been >MUCH worse. My guess is full-blown autism. As it was daily >migraines and gut disorders were the norm as well as allergies, ADD >and I assume Aspergers since she fits the profile exactly if there's >even such thing. I think it's all just toxicity and brain damage, >call it what you want. > >Please warn your friends. Better to lose a friend and have a clean >conscience. If they found out later that you knew and didn't tell >them they'd be pretty upset too. > >Sharon They cry for hours because of the vaccine-induced encephalitis - the varying degrees of the encephalitis range from: 1. irritability 2. intractable crying 3. seizures 4. hyperactivity 5. ADD/ADHD 6. autism 7. death (SIDS & other) And anything else in between - its because of the inflammation of their little brains. http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/May2002/MechEncephDamVax.htm http://www.trufax.org/vaccine/myelin.html (URL no longer works) Developmental Neurobiology Contraindicates Vaccine Paradigm ---------- <http://www.trufax.org/menu/bio.html>Return to Biological Manipulation Menu ---------- The Mechanism of Encephalitic Damage from Vaccines by Val Valerian The Myelin Sheath An important part of human brain development involves the process of myelination. A nerve is a conducting channel for electrochemical impulses. The nerve can only conduct pulses of energy that a succession of leaps along the fiber. Like insulation on an electric wire, the fatty coating of myelin helps keep the pulses confined. Brain Myelination Processes * At birth, relatively few pathways have myelin insulation, and the myelination process in the human brain continues from before birth until at least 20 years old. Up until the age of 10 or so, vast areas of the cortex are not yet myelinated, and up to the age of 20, large areas of the frontal lobes are not yet myelinated. [Ref: , The Nervous System, (Philadelphia: J.B. Lippincott, 1969), p.296.; Hart, Human Brain and Human Learning, (New York: Longman Inc., White Plains) Books for Educators, Oak Creek, CA),p.119] * * Myelination processes begin in the phylogenetically older parts of the brain, such as the brain stem, and then moves to the areas of the nervous system that have developed recently in humans, the prefrontal lobe and cortex. The processes spread through the nervous system in developmental stages which vary slightly in each individual. * * The prefrontal portions of the cerebrum have a profound influence on human behavior. [Hart, p.118] If an individual is injected with vaccines, most of which have adjuvants which include mercury and aluminum compounds and also include foreign proteins (many of them from other species in which the vaccines are grown) and biological organisms, unprotected nerves are impacted and alteration of neurological development impacts subsequent behavior and learning patterns to one degree or another. * * In 1947, Isaac Karlin suggested that stuttering was caused by " delay in the myelinization of the cortical areas in the brain concerned with speech. " In 1988, research by Dietrich and others using MRI imaging of the brains of infants and children from four days old to 36 months of age have found that those who were developmentally delayed had immature patterns of myelination. * * It has also been found that impairment of these processes can alter neural communication without necessarily causing severe CNS damage. So, these facts have been satisfactorily proven by science, but ignored and suppressed by mainstream medical establishment. Babies and children pay the price, and society pays the price when these individuals grow up and begin to exhibit aberrant behavior, affecting social structure, increasing crime and necessitating more authoritarian social control mechanisms. Vaccines, Neuroallergic Reaction and Brain Damage * The exact role of the allergic reaction in encephalitis was not completely understood until about 1935, with the discovery by Rivers of the phenomenon known as " experimental allergic encephalomyelitis, " or (EAE). Up until 1935, it was assumed that encephalitis was caused by some viral or bacterial infection of the nervous system, and a search began in the 1920's for some organism that might cause the problem. Rivers was able to produce brain inflammation in laboratory monkeys by injecting them repeatedly with extracts of sterile normal rabbit brain and spinal cord material, and this made it quite apparent that encephalitis was an allergic reaction. This explains the association of allergies and autoimmune states with prior cases of encephalitis. * * In 1922, the smallpox vaccination program caused an outbreak of encephalitis, with a secondary result of Guillain-Barre Syndrome, an ascending paralysis ending in death. For some reason, the fact that the vaccinations were directly connected was hidden from the public until 1942. In 1953 it was realized that some of the epidemic children's diseases, measles in particular, were demonstrating an increased propensity to attack the central nervous system. This indicated a growing allergic reaction in the population to both the diseases and the vaccinations for the diseases. In 1978, British researcher Bannister observed that the demyelinating diseases were getting more serious " because of some abnormal process of sensitization of the nervous system. " * I submit that the process of increased sensitivity was a normal occurrence - it could only be seen as abnormal if the connection between the vaccines and the sensitization process, which by then should have been obvious with the research conducted, was deliberately ignored. The fact of the matter is that it is a matter of record that it was known that vaccinations produced encephalitis since 1926. The sensitization of the population was being enhanced by vaccination programs. Someone had to know, since the connection was a matter of record. We can see that the association between post-encephalitic syndrome and either demyelination or incomplete myelination of the brain is pretty straight forward. In might be mentioned at this point that polio, or poliomyelitis, involves a breakdown of the myelin sheath, which causes paralysis. We also know that encephalitis, whether caused through disease or as a result of vaccination, can cause demyelination of the nerves, and that this has been known since the 1920's. Since the developmental neurobiology of the human brain has not changed, but the AMA statement has, we can only conclude that they are deliberately and knowingly, at the top levels connected in bed with the pharmaceutical companies, allowing brain damage to be continually perpetrated on the population in order to provide the basis for long-term medical profit treating subsequent medical and neuropsychological results. If so, why? For the answer to that, consult more of the menu choices on the main vaccine page. <http://www.web-stat.com/stats.shtml?sandymint> web-stat hit counter <http://www.web-stat.com/stats.shtml?sandymint> Web-Stat hit counter Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 9 & 10 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 This may sound harsh but if you speak up, those " own parents doing it to them " might begin to understand that they have been lied to by those they trust, and you will save just that one baby from further injury. Please don't judge them, help to enlighten them. I have cried in public when I've heard THE scream, and believe me, it gives a big opportunity to tell parents the truth. I don't cry any more, but my heart jumps into my throat - difficult to speak, so prayer helps me find my voice. So much the better if there are lots of people present. I can't speak in public to an organised group, but I can find the courage in informal gatherings, even if my knees shake and my voice quavers. When her daughter had a reaction and she decided not to vaccinate again, a friend asked me why I hadn't told her about DS. I had known her for 10 years prior and EVERYONE knows why DH is the way he is! Even the people at the local gas station, greengrocer, dentist, doctor etc. (It's quite useful that DH tends to boom when he talks.) I had specifically been telling her since I knew she was pregnant, but she was so wrapped up in being an ap lactivist and a " yummy mummy " she never " heard " what I was saying. Had to suggest she start reading all the info I had given her. She had to wipe the dust off it! I am still trying to get through to her about nutrition - it breaks my heart to see a photo of her, " slung " baby being publicly bf in Mcs while she hoes into McD non-food!!!! This baby isn't vaxed and is very lucky his mother's body is filtering the garbage. He is still sick all the time though. Ear infections, gastroenteritis, bronchitis. Extended bf hasn't helped. Sooooo...sorry folks, that's my vent for the month. A friend is ill, not much time for vactivism for a while. Love, Mara spanishmiss wrote: > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Oh, I hope it didn't come off as trying to judge them. I was just so upset! This is a friend who I have talked to about vaccines at length - she knows exactly how we feel, why we don't do it, etc. She is on my facebook so she sees and even has commented on some of vaccine posts. So it's not like she's totally uninformed. And she truly felt awful last night and was very worried about the baby, so hopefully it will make her think twice. Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Mention that Tylenol is terrible to give after shots! 's shots just knocked her out all day at 2 months. the only shots she got " on time " .--however, I probably would never have given another shot again if she had screamed all day. maybe she should have!? I wish they'd do their research better on the gluthi.. whatever it is. I can't spell it and I can't say it.. the stuff that helps the body detox and that tylenol lowers. Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Yes, me too. I was so incredibly naive, that I thought kept getting " some sort of virus " everytime he went to the doctors for his shots! He was always sick afterwards. As I have said before, I don't dwell in guilt, but really, I had no idea that vaccines could cause this sort of damage. Ignorance IS NOT BLISS. I am a pretty open-minded person - I would have given consideration to the advice of someone warning me. But no one did. Not one single person. This was before I spent much time on the internet. It wasn't untill after he was severely injured did I say " oh GOD what do I do? How can I find out more to help him? " Then something told me to get on-line. And there I found hundreds of stories that un-folded exactly like mine. And I found out that giving Tylenol was one of the worse possible things I could do - it depletes glutathione, needed for detoxification. What I would do to have had that information THEN! New parents are so lucky that this information is available. I tell parents. If they don't listen, then that is up to them. But at least I did my part. Sylvia > > > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > > > Melinda C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Sylvia You wern't naive. you were lied to from every direction. Medical, Government and school. Remember your high school Biology book. No matter what grade anyone received they always left that class with one thought burned into their mind. VACCINES ARE SAFE AND PREVENT DISEASE. For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school policy books. Do not these omissions tell you that the allopaths are in charge of what your kids learn. It is the schools that are setting up the kids to be life long customers for the allopaths. Jim ________________________________ From: sylviapimentel <sylviapimentel@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:54:26 AM Subject: Re: So sad....just need to vent. Yes, me too. I was so incredibly naive, that I thought kept getting " some sort of virus " everytime he went to the doctors for his shots! He was always sick afterwards. As I have said before, I don't dwell in guilt, but really, I had no idea that vaccines could cause this sort of damage. Ignorance IS NOT BLISS. I am a pretty open-minded person - I would have given consideration to the advice of someone warning me. But no one did. Not one single person. This was before I spent much time on the internet. It wasn't untill after he was severely injured did I say " oh GOD what do I do? How can I find out more to help him? " Then something told me to get on-line. And there I found hundreds of stories that un-folded exactly like mine. And I found out that giving Tylenol was one of the worse possible things I could do - it depletes glutathione, needed for detoxification. What I would do to have had that information THEN! New parents are so lucky that this information is available. I tell parents. If they don't listen, then that is up to them. But at least I did my part. Sylvia > > > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > > > Melinda C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Right. We're told they must have picked up something in the waiting room from the germy kids or toys. They picked up something all right but in the doctor's office. I, likewise, never had one person say watch out for vaccines. You heard through the grapevine that maybe rare reactions occurred to strangers far away and the docs will say, oh I've never seen any reactions if you do happen to question them. But not one person ever warned me, either until my son was three. This was in 1993. I did not own a computer until 2000. I never heard of autism. I only found info in the form of Neil 's book in the waiting room of my naturopath--whom I went to, by the way, for treatment for my son's asthma after a homeopathic vet pointed out the vaccine connection. So I had to be alerted from a VET after the fact, not a PED beforehand. Winnie Re: So sad...just need to vent. Vaccinations > Yes, me too. I was so incredibly naive, that I thought > kept getting " some sort of virus " everytime he went to the > doctors for his shots! He was always sick afterwards. As I have > said before, I don't dwell in guilt, but really, I had no idea > that vaccines could cause this sort of damage. Ignorance IS NOT > BLISS. I am a pretty open-minded person - I would have given > consideration to the advice of someone warning me. But no one > did. Not one single person. This was before I spent much time on > the internet. It wasn't untill after he was severely injured did > I say " oh GOD what do I do? How can I find out more to help > him? " Then something told me to get on-line. And there I found > hundreds of stories that un-folded exactly like mine. > > And I found out that giving Tylenol was one of the worse > possible things I could do - it depletes glutathione, needed for > detoxification. > > What I would do to have had that information THEN! New parents > are so lucky that this information is available. I tell parents. > If they don't listen, then that is up to them. But at least I > did my part. > > Sylvia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Good to “hear” your posts again Maracuja, I’ve missed listening to you! Chris _____ From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of Maracuja Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:48 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: So sad...just need to vent. This may sound harsh but if you speak up, those " own parents doing it to them " might begin to understand that they have been lied to by those they trust, and you will save just that one baby from further injury. Please don't judge them, help to enlighten them. I have cried in public when I've heard THE scream, and believe me, it gives a big opportunity to tell parents the truth. I don't cry any more, but my heart jumps into my throat - difficult to speak, so prayer helps me find my voice. So much the better if there are lots of people present. I can't speak in public to an organised group, but I can find the courage in informal gatherings, even if my knees shake and my voice quavers. When her daughter had a reaction and she decided not to vaccinate again, a friend asked me why I hadn't told her about DS. I had known her for 10 years prior and EVERYONE knows why DH is the way he is! Even the people at the local gas station, greengrocer, dentist, doctor etc. (It's quite useful that DH tends to boom when he talks.) I had specifically been telling her since I knew she was pregnant, but she was so wrapped up in being an ap lactivist and a " yummy mummy " she never " heard " what I was saying. Had to suggest she start reading all the info I had given her. She had to wipe the dust off it! I am still trying to get through to her about nutrition - it breaks my heart to see a photo of her, " slung " baby being publicly bf in Mcs while she hoes into McD non-food!!!! This baby isn't vaxed and is very lucky his mother's body is filtering the garbage. He is still sick all the time though. Ear infections, gastroenteritis, bronchitis. Extended bf hasn't helped. Sooooo...sorry folks, that's my vent for the month. A friend is ill, not much time for vactivism for a while. Love, Mara spanishmiss wrote: > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 They confuse " common " with " normal. " Winnie Re: So sad...just need to vent. Vaccinations > Poor baby. I wish I had known too. The doctor just tells you > that crying and fever are a normal reaction. Use Tylenol. It's > horrible but when everyone you know does it too you don't really > even think to question it. Thankfully when my daughter was 18 > months one of my friends found out and told me. We both > immediately decided to never vax again. I shudder to think of > what would have happened with those 18 month shots considering > that she was completely overloaded with mercury already as we > found out years later. Could have been MUCH worse. My guess is > full-blown autism. As it was daily migraines and gut disorders > were the norm as well as allergies, ADD and I assume Aspergers > since she fits the profile exactly if there's even such thing. > I think it's all just toxicity and brain damage, call it what > you want. > > Please warn your friends. Better to lose a friend and have a > clean conscience. If they found out later that you knew and > didn't tell them they'd be pretty upset too. > > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I can't imagine if one of my friends knew and never told me... I would however feel like an idiot if my friend warned me and I never took it seriously. I think everyone knows how I feel...if they don't agree with it so be it, but they know they can always come to me and ask me anything...How many times have I gotton that phone call... what should I do my child has.... I'm just greatful that they feel like they can ask me. ________________________________ From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:00:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: So sad...just need to vent. They confuse " common " with " normal. " Winnie Re: So sad...just need to vent. Vaccinations > Poor baby. I wish I had known too. The doctor just tells you > that crying and fever are a normal reaction. Use Tylenol. It's > horrible but when everyone you know does it too you don't really > even think to question it. Thankfully when my daughter was 18 > months one of my friends found out and told me. We both > immediately decided to never vax again. I shudder to think of > what would have happened with those 18 month shots considering > that she was completely overloaded with mercury already as we > found out years later. Could have been MUCH worse. My guess is > full-blown autism. As it was daily migraines and gut disorders > were the norm as well as allergies, ADD and I assume Aspergers > since she fits the profile exactly if there's even such thing. > I think it's all just toxicity and brain damage, call it what > you want. > > Please warn your friends. Better to lose a friend and have a > clean conscience. If they found out later that you knew and > didn't tell them they'd be pretty upset too. > > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I hope so and that it is not too late Hopefully she will be calling you Sheri At 07:17 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote: >Oh, I hope it didn't come off as trying to judge them. I was just so >upset! This is a friend who I have talked to about vaccines at >length - she knows exactly how we feel, why we don't do it, etc. She >is on my facebook so she sees and even has commented on some of >vaccine posts. So it's not like she's totally uninformed. And she >truly felt awful last night and was very worried about the baby, so >hopefully it will make her think twice. > >Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 SO true Jim! This is exactly part of the reason I homeschool. We skipped the vaccine chapter completely in my son's biology class this year. I asked him what he knew about vaccines, he said they were poison, we moved on.......his teacher didn't even question it. I guess after getting to know me for the last year they've learned not to, lol. From what I remember we skipped quite a bit in that book. - > Remember your high school Biology book. No matter what grade anyone received they always left that class with one thought burned into their mind. > > VACCINES ARE SAFE AND PREVENT DISEASE. > > For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school policy books. > > Do not these omissions tell you that the allopaths are in charge of what your kids learn. > > It is the schools that are setting up the kids to be life long customers for the allopaths. > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Good for you. I went over that book page by page with my Granddaughter.. Jim ________________________________ From: kimberlyire <kimberlyire@...> Vaccinations Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:23:59 PM Subject: Re: So sad...just need to vent. SO true Jim! This is exactly part of the reason I homeschool. We skipped the vaccine chapter completely in my son's biology class this year. I asked him what he knew about vaccines, he said they were poison, we moved on.......his teacher didn't even question it. I guess after getting to know me for the last year they've learned not to, lol. From what I remember we skipped quite a bit in that book. - > Remember your high school Biology book. No matter what grade anyone received they always left that class with one thought burned into their mind. > > VACCINES ARE SAFE AND PREVENT DISEASE. > > For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school policy books. > > Do not these omissions tell you that the allopaths are in charge of what your kids learn. > > It is the schools that are setting up the kids to be life long customers for the allopaths. > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 And of course this would be pooh-poohed as a " normal " reaction. So sad...I agree with you. Lori ---- spanishmiss430 <spanishmiss430@...> wrote: > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > Melinda C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 " For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school policy books. " I consider myself fairly well educated and very involved in my children's lives. I never knew that there was a choice in vaxing until we started homeschooling child #5. I have never felt so stupid in my life. He had all his shots before I knew better. I wonder how much of his severe dyslexia is on account of what I did to him with the shots. I just could kick myself - really hard. This has really been a hard " pill to swallow " with all I have learned just since we started homeschooling 6 years ago, plus the vast amounts I am learning from all of you. Barb - Tx -- Re: So sad....just need to vent. Yes, me too. I was so incredibly naive, that I thought kept getting " some sort of virus " everytime he went to the doctors for his shots! He was always sick afterwards. As I have said before, I don't dwell in guilt, but really, I had no idea that vaccines could cause this sort of damage. Ignorance IS NOT BLISS. I am a pretty open-minded person - I would have given consideration to the advice of someone warning me. But no one did. Not one single person. This was before I spent much time on the internet. It wasn't untill after he was severely injured did I say " oh GOD what do I do? How can I find out more to help him? " Then something told me to get on-line. And there I found hundreds of stories that un-folded exactly like mine. And I found out that giving Tylenol was one of the worse possible things I could do - it depletes glutathione, needed for detoxification. What I would do to have had that information THEN! New parents are so lucky that this information is available. I tell parents. If they don't listen, then that is up to them. But at least I did my part. Sylvia > > > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > > > Melinda C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 and I also wonder if people think that vaccines are required for school, why they aren't out in the street protesting this violation of their rights. Sheri At 07:28 PM 8/15/2009, you wrote: > " For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into >the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the >no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school >policy books. " Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 9 & 10 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 My bil was teaching a " social " studies class years ago - more like propaganda, at a high school. When he got to the vaccines are safe & have saved the world dreck, all he said was, " You and your parents may or may not agree with that statement, " & an unvaccinated 14 year old stood up and educated that class on the vaccine menace. My bil was rapt. It spread - all he had to do was relate what his pupil had said, to other classes. He did it for years and got them to research the history, WITHOUT the internet. Some of those pupils do not vaccinate their children and they know what Jim knows! My bil is still teaching! Sow the seeds and never give up! Don't beat yourself up - it's unproductive and it can paralyse you with guilt. So many of us have been on that road. Have a hug! :-) Mara From: Barbara J. Paduh <txscrapper@...> Subject: Re: Re: So sad...just need to vent. Vaccinations Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 7:28 PM " For those of you that are mad and into helping others you need to get into the schools and start asking hard questions, like who's responsible for the no shots no school lie. And why aren't the exemptions posted in ALL school policy books. " I consider myself fairly well educated and very involved in my children's lives. I never knew that there was a choice in vaxing until we started homeschooling child #5. I have never felt so stupid in my life. He had all his shots before I knew better. I wonder how much of his severe dyslexia is on account of what I did to him with the shots. I just could kick myself - really hard. This has really been a hard " pill to swallow " with all I have learned just since we started homeschooling 6 years ago, plus the vast amounts I am learning from all of you. Barb - Tx -- Re: So sad....just need to vent. Yes, me too. I was so incredibly naive, that I thought kept getting " some sort of virus " everytime he went to the doctors for his shots! He was always sick afterwards. As I have said before, I don't dwell in guilt, but really, I had no idea that vaccines could cause this sort of damage. Ignorance IS NOT BLISS. I am a pretty open-minded person - I would have given consideration to the advice of someone warning me. But no one did. Not one single person. This was before I spent much time on the internet. It wasn't untill after he was severely injured did I say " oh GOD what do I do? How can I find out more to help him? " Then something told me to get on-line.. And there I found hundreds of stories that un-folded exactly like mine. And I found out that giving Tylenol was one of the worse possible things I could do - it depletes glutathione, needed for detoxification. What I would do to have had that information THEN! New parents are so lucky that this information is available. I tell parents. If they don't listen, then that is up to them. But at least I did my part. Sylvia > > > > Tonight we were at a party and one of my good friends was there with her two month old baby girl, who was screaming bloody murder and inconsolable. She had band aids all over her little legs, which were red and swollen and hot to the touch. She had her shots today...it just breaks my heart every time, no matter how many times I see it. How can anyone do that to their child? They left the party early to go buy baby tylenol. I almost cried right there in front of everyone. I can't stand all these babies being in pain, being injured, and their own parents doing it to them. > > > > Melinda C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 wonderful story Sheri At 10:33 PM 8/15/2009, you wrote: >My bil was teaching a " social " studies class years ago - more like >propaganda, at a high school. When he got to the vaccines are safe & >have saved the world dreck, all he said was, " You and your parents >may or may not agree with that statement, " & an unvaccinated 14 year >old stood up and educated that class on the vaccine menace. My bil >was rapt. It spread - all he had to do was relate what his pupil had >said, to other classes. He did it for years and got them to research >the history, WITHOUT the internet. Some of those pupils do not >vaccinate their children and they know what Jim knows! My bil is >still teaching! >Sow the seeds and never give up! >Don't beat yourself up - it's unproductive and it can paralyse you >with guilt. So many of us have been on that road. Have a hug! :-) > >Mara Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes start September 9 & 10 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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