Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

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His books were my eye-opener, too.

Winnie

Re: Need help on deciding to

> selectively vaccinate....

> >

> > Neil 's books are the reason why I stopped vaccinating

> my children.

> > My Chiro gave them to me to read.

> >

> > Steph

[Guest guest]

Imagine the guilt you'd feel if you vaccinated and something terrible happened,

knowing what you know about vaccines.

Don't try to let go of the guilt you feel now, though. It part of the process to

work through it in " unlearning " the brainwashing we've all had growing up.

Winnie

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Vaccinations

> just worry about boys being more vulnerable to vaccine reactions

> and I'm just not convinced that they're safe enough, obviously,

> but I still can't let go of the guilt for not getting any for him....

[Guest guest]

Funny, my oldest (vaccinated until 18 months) was never snotty. I think it's

good for them to be--shows things are clearing out of them. He never had even a

clear, runny nose. He went straight to asthma where everything locked up. I was

so excited when he finally could blow his nose. He must have been around 10-11

years old.

Winnie

RE: Re: Need help on deciding to selectively

vaccinate....

vaccinations

>

> Once you learn more you will understand these things don't need

> to happen RIGHT after a vaccine to have been caused by one.

>

> Some side effects happen months or years later.

>

>

>

> My two kids are seriously never sick - if they do get a snotty

> nose or something it lasts a few hours! My son was sent home

> last year at lunch time because he had a fever and was snotty.

> He was FINE that morning - and FINE by the next morning. He did

> sleep all afternoon, but bounced right out of it. My daughter

> does sometimes carry the snotty nose a couple of days, but it

> doesn't slow her down one bit.

>

> My son had one ear infection when he was around 3 or 4, and I

> didn't know about it till the morning when his hair was all

> sticky and matted on that side when he woke up - he never

> complained of pain at all, and slept that entire night through.

> My daughter has never had an ear infection.

>

>

>

> Keep reading folks stories here, and you'll get the general idea.

>

> Chelly

[Guest guest]

Relieved, but scared. That's a good sign that you're doing the right thing. Good

for you!

Winnie

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Vaccinations

> THanks, I put them on hold at the library. I don't see the ped

> again until Oct anyway. At 2 months I KNEW I wasn't vaccinating

> yet but I was bothered by the guilt trip she'd give me. She's

> holistic but I still get that underlying guilt trip feeling from

> her. She's the only one in the city that will support not

> vaccinating though...

> I thought I'd make a final decision by the time he had his 4

> month check up, at first I was going to maybe do a shot at 6

> months, then I thought that'd be too late so I thought I'd do

> one at 4 months, but for the past month I've just been so back

> and forth with it, I read some Dr Sears book and the ROmm book,

> a few others I skimmed, but it didn't help..., then this past

> week I couldn't sleep because I was just so bothered by what to

> do, I'd pretty much decided that I needed to at least get him

> one just to be safe for him... but just looking at him being so

> happy was just killing me, then today for his 4 month checkup I

> saw the NP instead and she's antivax and she just told me not to

> do any right now, wait and think about it first. She was the one

> who saved him from getting one today..., I actually had an appt

> for my older one too since she's not had a check up since she

> was 2 I think, or 1, I can't remember, anyway, her dr had

> convinced me also to consider getting her the Dtap booster to

> protect the baby should she get a bad cough, but I called last

> week and cancelled the appt because I jsut can't give her

> anymore shots ever....! I'm just glad today I didn't do any, I

> walked out of that office totally relieved feeling, like a

> weight had been lifted. At the same time I'm still scared but

> better for now!

[Guest guest]

My oldest son never cried like that, and he's the one who ended up the sickest

from vaccines. My second one did, though. Both vaxed. I don't think it's normal

for a baby to cry excessively. There's always a reason.

Winnie

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Vaccinations

> With my dd I jsut didn't know, and didn't question. I remember

> her 2 month visit she got 4, I can't believe I did that now. UP

> until then she'd literally NEVER cried, never, and that visit

> she SCREAMED when they did the shots, she stopped right away

> when I nursed her but I felt horrible, I burst into tears. But I

> still did the 4 month, 6 month, etc thinking that's what she had

> to do. Now my son is different, he's very mellow but he CRIES!!!

> My dd was so so so quiet, my son is loud, he's a very happy baby

> but when he's hungry or bored or tired he cries so loud, not for

> long but I'm just not used to it and he does have some days he's

> just fussy, restless, not sure why, I haven't done a diet check

> to really see, but he just has his fussy days, otherdays he's

> fine. That bothered me though thinking that then how could I

> tell if he did get a vaccine reaction because he's fussy some

> days anyway... another thing that did bother me at his 2 month

> visit when I was discussing vaccine reactions with the dr, and

> one common reaction is crying for a few hrs or so. I asked his

> dr about this and she said that it's common, they do cry for a

> few hrs, that's very common, I even asked her if she was serious

> about that, HOURS?! She said yes, like it's just one of the side

> effects... that still sticks with me though, to me that's not a

> normal, MILD side effect.

[Guest guest]

You done good Chelly. My dad was dead by the time I had my children or

I would have asked him why he didn't want me vaxed. It took me some time to

get back into being treated by a chiropractor. It wasn't until I had

horrible headaches and my MD did and MRI and gave me brain numbing drugs

that I finally decided it was time to seek *better* help.

Steph

Need help on deciding to selectively

> > > vaccinate....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm

> > > obviously

> > > NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not

> > > 100%

> > > comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much

> > > info-

> > > lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble

> > > with:

> > >

> > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to

> > > prevent

> > > meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very

> > > serious,

> > > correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial

> > > meningitis

> > > and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the

> > > bacterial

> > > kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my

> > > baby

> > > got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need

> > > more

> > > insight into this one.......

> > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

> > >

> > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've

> > > looked

> > > online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out,

> > > again

> > > I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it.

> > > I'd

> > > feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits,

> > > so

> > > that really really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

> > >

> > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so

> > > waiting

> > > until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay

> > > solids

> > > until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those

> > > fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're

> > > middle

> > > of

> > > the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a

> > > lot,

> > > live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the

> > > time

> > > in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Turn it around on them and ask them if they believe that vaccines protect you

from disease. If they say " Yes " then say so you are OK then and it is you that

put my unvaxed child at risk.

Steph

Need help on deciding to selectively

vaccinate....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm

> > > > obviously

> > > > NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not

100%

> > > > comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much

> > > > info-

> > > > lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble

> > > > with:

> > > >

> > > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to

prevent

> > > > meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very

serious,

> > > > correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial

> > > > meningitis

> > > > and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the

> > > > bacterial

> > > > kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my

> > > > baby

> > > > got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need

more

> > > > insight into this one.......

> > > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've

looked

> > > > online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out,

again

> > > > I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it.

I'd

> > > > feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits,

so

> > > > that really really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

> > > >

> > > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so

waiting

> > > > until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay

solids

> > > > until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those

> > > > fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're

middle

> > > > of

> > > > the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a

lot,

> > > > live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the

> > > > time

> > > > in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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It's funny that unvaxed people are assumed to be riddled with every disease

known to man at all times, yet it's the vaxed ones who are the ones injected

with it!

Winnie

Need help on deciding to

> selectively vaccinate....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4

> months old, I'm

> > > > > obviously

> > > > > NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the

> same time I'm not 100%

> > > > > comfortable not giving him any and I need some more

> info- not too much

> > > > > info-

> > > > > lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am

> having trouble

> > > > > with:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this

> vaccine is to prevent

> > > > > meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly

> and very serious,

> > > > > correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of

> bacterial

> > > > > meningitis

> > > > > and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as

> serious as the

> > > > > bacterial

> > > > > kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would

> feel HORRIBLE if my

> > > > > baby

> > > > > got this and I could have prevented it with a

> vaccine.... so I need more

> > > > > insight into this one.......

> > > > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also

> rare, right?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak

> me out, I've looked

> > > > > online and seen videos of babies with this and it does

> freak me out, again

> > > > > I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have

> prevented it. I'd

> > > > > feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the

> coughing fits, so

> > > > > that really really bothers me.... so I need more

> insight there too...

> > > > >

> > > > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious

> diseases, so waiting

> > > > > until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We

> breastfeed, delay solids

> > > > > until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm

> not one of those

> > > > > fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical

> free, we're middle

> > > > > of

> > > > > the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also

> we do go out a lot,

> > > > > live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so

> we're out all the

> > > > > time

> > > > > in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2

> yrs........ > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________________

> > > > > Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync.

> > > > >

>

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes it is a twisted logic isn't it?

Steph

Need help on deciding to

> selectively vaccinate....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4

> months old, I'm

> > > > > obviously

> > > > > NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the

> same time I'm not 100%

> > > > > comfortable not giving him any and I need some more

> info- not too much

> > > > > info-

> > > > > lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am

> having trouble

> > > > > with:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this

> vaccine is to prevent

> > > > > meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly

> and very serious,

> > > > > correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of

> bacterial

> > > > > meningitis

> > > > > and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as

> serious as the

> > > > > bacterial

> > > > > kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would

> feel HORRIBLE if my

> > > > > baby

> > > > > got this and I could have prevented it with a

> vaccine.... so I need more

> > > > > insight into this one.......

> > > > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also

> rare, right?

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak

> me out, I've looked

> > > > > online and seen videos of babies with this and it does

> freak me out, again

> > > > > I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have

> prevented it. I'd

> > > > > feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the

> coughing fits, so

> > > > > that really really bothers me.... so I need more

> insight there too...

> > > > >

> > > > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious

> diseases, so waiting

> > > > > until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We

> breastfeed, delay solids

> > > > > until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm

> not one of those

> > > > > fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical

> free, we're middle

> > > > > of

> > > > > the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also

> we do go out a lot,

> > > > > live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so

> we're out all the

> > > > > time

> > > > > in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2

> yrs........ > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________________

> > > > > Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync.

> > > > >

>

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> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry about your dad, you can't take responsibility for things you had no

control over. My mother died from cancer as well, I was living with her alone

at the time, my siblings had moved to my Dad. I was taken away to live with my

dad just three days before she died and I have felt guilty for years and years!

I worry too, about the health of the nation in general, so many people on

disability and its not going to get better, in fact I think it will get worse

and worse, so many kids with autism and learning disabilities etc.

We might have to start a dating service for our kids when they are old enough!

(sad but true I think)

Chelly

> Vaccinations

> From: ladybugsandbees@...

> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:39:35 -0400

> Subject: Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

>

> My children were adjusted 5 days after birth. They continue to receive

> adjustments because I believe it is very good for their neurological

> development. My dad would have loved my children. My son is very much like

> him - both in intelligence, personality and health (unfortunately). My

> father became a paranoid schizophrenic and lost everything. He then got

> colon cancer and died. I have been reading the Gut and Psychology Syndrome

> book after hearing Dr. Mc Bride speak at the WAP conference in San Francisco

> last Nov. So many things she discusses - including schizophrenia related to

> what I know about my dad. I believe we could have saved him. It hurts to

> know but makes me more determined that when I have my ND I will help as many

> as I can. He had a mouth full of mercury too - which I had all removed and

> chelated. He was vaxed as a child so I can't help but wonder. Although

> back in the 1940's they didn't do the HUGE list of vaccines we do now.

>

> It makes me wonder where we are headed with all this. Our healthcare system

> is already a mess with very sick people. If we force people to vaccinate,

> take away good foods and give them drugs it will only get worse. I keep

> saying pretty soon my children will be the only ones (and families like

> mine) that will be able to work to support all these people. It's mind

> boggling.

>

> Steph

>

>

> Re: Need help on deciding to selectively

> > vaccinate....

> >

> > You done good Chelly. My dad was dead by the time I had my children or

> > I would have asked him why he didn't want me vaxed. It took me some time

> > to

> > get back into being treated by a chiropractor. It wasn't until I had

> > horrible headaches and my MD did and MRI and gave me brain numbing drugs

> > that I finally decided it was time to seek *better* help.

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very true. I just wish I could have known so that he could be here now. But

there must have been a reason this happened this way.

I laughed on the dating but it is in a way true. Need to keep that " gene pool "

good. I can see how my husband's and mine have created a mess for my children.

It didn't help my son that I had cancer while pregnant with him or my daughter

that I had had two rounds of radiation before getting pregnant with her. My body

was so depleted by that point. We do the best we can with what we are given.

Steph

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively

> > vaccinate....

> >

> > You done good Chelly. My dad was dead by the time I had my children or

> > I would have asked him why he didn't want me vaxed. It took me some time

> > to

> > get back into being treated by a chiropractor. It wasn't until I had

> > horrible headaches and my MD did and MRI and gave me brain numbing drugs

> > that I finally decided it was time to seek *better* help.

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

None of us are perfect so its ok. I just try to keep things better than

average, and thats good enough for us. We avoid junk foods as much as possible,

but I don't totally OUTLAW it, my kids see other kids eating fries and burgers,

and its ok once in a while (in my opinion) my kids have never had soda drinks,

and I'm thrilled with that little bit. My son tried Sparkling applecider

before, and he cried he hated it so much, he won't go NEAR a sparkling drink.

(he was given the applecider on Thanksgiving the day I was in labor at home with

his sister, he wanted to go to his grandparents house so off he went. They did

me a favor with that applecider, I would have said no! LOL)

I think we probably all did things during our pregnancy that wasn't the best

possible thing to do. I had a few ultrasounds with my son, he was breech and

the doctor wanted to check him a bit too much. With my daughter I knew better

on that front, but before I even knew I was pregnant, I went out with friends

and had a few drinks!!! (I was horrified with myself, but it didn't seem to do

any harm)

Chelly

Vaccinations

From: ladybugsandbees@...

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:06:00 -0400

Subject: Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Very true. I just wish I could have known so that he could be here now. But

there must have been a reason this happened this way.

I laughed on the dating but it is in a way true. Need to keep that " gene pool "

good. I can see how my husband's and mine have created a mess for my children.

It didn't help my son that I had cancer while pregnant with him or my daughter

that I had had two rounds of radiation before getting pregnant with her. My body

was so depleted by that point. We do the best we can with what we are given.

Steph

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively

> > vaccinate....

> >

> > You done good Chelly. My dad was dead by the time I had my children or

> > I would have asked him why he didn't want me vaxed. It took me some time

> > to

> > get back into being treated by a chiropractor. It wasn't until I had

> > horrible headaches and my MD did and MRI and gave me brain numbing drugs

> > that I finally decided it was time to seek *better* help.

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:58 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote:

>I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm

>obviously NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same

>time I'm not 100% comfortable not giving him any and I need some

>more info- not too much info- lol, but just some good answers to

>some questions I am having trouble with:

>

>1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to

>prevent meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and

>very serious, correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types

>of bacterial meningitis and of course not the viral kind- but that's

>not as serious as the bacterial kind, right? Meningitis does freak

>me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have

>prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this one.......

>HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

Yes, meningitis freaks everyone out. But it is very rare and even

rarer in unvaccinated.

It requires tons of reading.

No vaccine gives immunity is #1 - so if that is the case there is not

question of what to do

All vaccines carry harm

I will send some info on the meningitis vaccines - there are several

>2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've

>looked online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak

>me out, again I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have

>prevented it. I'd feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from

>the coughing fits, so that really really bothers me.... so I need

>more insight there too...

Again the pertussis vaccine does not prevent anything and according

to their literature the baby is not protected until the first series

is completed (usually at about 6 months). After 6 months pertussis

is not that problematic anyway. Under 6 months it is more

challenging because their airways are so tiny and the secretions

thick. But we know many here who go through pertussis just fine,

especially those unvaccinated and also there is homeopathic help.

>I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so

>waiting until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We

>breastfeed, delay solids until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals

>although I'm not one of those fanatical organics with everything

>organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so our house

>does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

>big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time in

>crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

You have done a great job. Really encourage you to not mess it up

now with vaccines.

I also have a classes that go through all of this in a methodical way

because it takes huge amounts of hours/years to research all of this

Welcome

Sheri

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