Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

August 12, 2009

You should see pertussis in a child with asthma!

My son, fully vaccinated against pertussis, just had pertussis in Feb. He also

has asthma, most likely a side effect of the Dtap vaccine. He missed over two

weeks of school and did not sleep through the night for two months due to

coughing. Because of his vaccine induced asthma, his case was much worse than

any of his peers without asthma. We even had a trip to the ER because he was not

getting relief from his nebulized meds.

The Dtap vaccine did not prevent anything and probably made things worse by

causing his asthma.

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much info-

lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious, correct?

I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course

not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I

could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this

one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again I'd

feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel

horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids until

after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical

organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so

our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time in crowds, so this

baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

>

August 12, 2009

The NP at my peds office did say she had a case where an unvaccinated child died

of pertussis- she said this was a healthy, breastfed child from a healthy

family..., she also had a recent case of a whole family practically hospitalized

for it and all were fully vaccinated, I actually was almost ready to vaccinate

my baby for at least one shot when I went in but she convinced me not to!

> > >

> > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm

obviously NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not

100% comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much

info- lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble

with:

> > >

> > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious, correct?

I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course

not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I

could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this

one.......

> > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

> > >

> > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again I'd

feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel

horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

> > >

> > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids until

after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical

organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so

our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time in crowds, so this

baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

> > >

> >

>

August 12, 2009

I got my son over his asthma with my naturopath. She gave him an herbal

tincture, quercetin, a homeopathic med and we cut dairy, oranges and corn out of

his diet. The nebulizer did nothing.

Winnie

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Vaccinations

> You should see pertussis in a child with asthma!

>

> My son, fully vaccinated against pertussis, just had pertussis

> in Feb. He also has asthma, most likely a side effect of the

> Dtap vaccine. He missed over two weeks of school and did not

> sleep through the night for two months due to coughing. Because

> of his vaccine induced asthma, his case was much worse than any

> of his peers without asthma. We even had a trip to the ER

> because he was not getting relief from his nebulized meds.

>

> The Dtap vaccine did not prevent anything and probably made

> things worse by causing his asthma.

>

> >

> > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old,

> I'm obviously NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the

> same time I'm not 100% comfortable not giving him any and I need

> some more info- not too much info- lol, but just some good

> answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

> >

> > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is

> to prevent meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly

> and very serious, correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all

> types of bacterial meningitis and of course not the viral kind-

> but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

> Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby

> got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I

> need more insight into this one.......

> > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare,

> right?

> >

> > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out,

> I've looked online and seen videos of babies with this and it

> does freak me out, again I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this

> and I could have prevented it. I'd feel horrible if he got this

> got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really really

> bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

> >

> > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious

> diseases, so waiting until then to vaccinate makes no sense

> either. We breastfeed, delay solids until after 6.5 months,

> limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical organics

> with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the

> road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a

> lot, live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're

> out all the time in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated

> for 2 yrs........

> >

>

August 12, 2009

My dd had all the vaccines except the MMR when I finally started realizing I had

options, back then I was naive.. anyway, since age 1 she's had none, we go out

everywhere and she's far from isolated, she's homeschooled but we're in a large

coop, we go to the mall, disney, bday parties, church, pools, etc and she's yet

to have measles or mumps, never had rotavirus that I know of (they had taken

that off the market when she was a baby), she is also rarely sick too, she

hasn;t had a check up in years. We're also not super fanatical health nuts, I

buy half organic (meat, produce, etc) and half conventional, we eat bad stuff

sometimes (hotdogs, preservatives, etc) but try to eat whole foods as much as

possible, we do go to McD occasionally and stuff like that, we don't use only

natural cleaners, etc, it's all in balance. The other thing is that I just don't

want to be afraid to take my baby to DIsney because he's not vaccinated or not

to take him many places until he's 2. Although we've been out almost every day

since he was born because of my older child, we've been to bday parties with

him, Ollie Koalas, stores, museums, libraries, church, etc. Our lifestyle isn't

that we can keep him very isolated so that scares me some...

>

> Yep.. remember only hindsight is 20/20 but I have an 8 y.o. boy, never

> vaxxed. Hardly ever been to a doctor either. I don't think that is a

> " coincidence " either and it's not luck!

>

> Luck is walking along, looking down and seeing a $20 bill on the sidewalk.

>

> His good health is NOT luck and no we don't have the greatest diet on earth

> either but I try to avoid artificial crap

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

August 12, 2009

The full series of 4 shots is " needed " for protection (meaning some 40-80% AFTER

the series, depending on what you read). The first three are when the baby is 6

months old or younger. So, virtually no protection JUST RISK for babies.

Winnie

..

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

Vaccinations

> The NP at my peds office did say she had a case where an

> unvaccinated child died of pertussis- she said this was a

> healthy, breastfed child from a healthy family..., she also had

> a recent case of a whole family practically hospitalized for it

> and all were fully vaccinated, I actually was almost ready to

> vaccinate my baby for at least one shot when I went in but she

> convinced me not to!

>

> > > >

> > > > I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months

> old, I'm obviously NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but

> at the same time I'm not 100% comfortable not giving him any and

> I need some more info- not too much info- lol, but just some

> good answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

> > > >

> > > > 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine

> is to prevent meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be

> deadly and very serious, correct? I have read this doesn't

> prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course not the

> viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind,

> right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my

> baby got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine....

> so I need more insight into this one.......

> > > > HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also

> rare, right?

> > > >

> > > > 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me

> out, I've looked online and seen videos of babies with this and

> it does freak me out, again I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got

> this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel horrible if he got

> this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

> really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

> > > >

> > > > I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious

> diseases, so waiting until then to vaccinate makes no sense

> either. We breastfeed, delay solids until after 6.5 months,

> limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical organics

> with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the

> road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a

> lot, live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're

> out all the time in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated

> for 2 yrs........

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 12, 2009

That's how I used to feel, too. When I first read about the dangers of vaccines,

I wasn't comfortable vaccinating my daughter, but I was still afraid she might

get a disease that I thought could be prevented by a vaccine...

But then, the more I read on the subject, the more I realized that not only are

vaccines dangerous, but they are also completely useless. They don't protect

against anything and they weaken a person's immune system.

My two year old daughter is completely unvaxed, and she is one of the healthiest

children I know. My advice to you is to keep reading on the subject, because it

is important not to make a decision you might regret later. Remember that

vaccines can't be taken out once they are shot in your child's body. I know that

making choices as a parent is not always easy, and that's why it is very

important to get as much information as you can to make your decision.

:-)

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much info-

lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious, correct?

I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course

not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I

could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this

one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again I'd

feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel

horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids until

after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical

organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so

our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time in crowds, so this

baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

>

August 12, 2009

My neighbors don't vaccinate their kids. They have four: 8, 6, 4, and

2yo. Healthiest dang things I've EVER seen. They run around all day,

barefooted, on a rocky, dirty farm with animals, manure, animals,

insects, etc. You name it. I've NEVER seen the kids sick other than

the sniffles. The Dad said he wasn't vaccinated as a child either.

LOVELY family.

Just my $.02,

Bobbett

August 12, 2009

I can interject here. My father was a chiropractor. I was not vaccinated and

never had one issue that required a doctor. I only got a few colds and stomach

flu but that was maybe once a year and then my dad would adjust me and I was

better the next day.

That being said, my parents divorced when I was 11. My mother rushed me down to

the health department for my MMR, DPT and Polo vaccinations. Guess what? I

started getting ear infections shortly after and began to gain weight. I think

my thyroid was destroyed because this continued through out my early adult

years. I had heavy constipation and rectal bleeding. Then when I was 34 years

old I had my first child and was dx'd with thyroid cancer shortly after that (4

mos). I started vaccinating my children (because that was what the pediatrician

said I should do and all my friends did) but stopped my son at 5 and my daughter

at her 18 mos shots which were given to her at 2 1/2 because I was starting to

doubt my choices. I wish I had never done what I did to them and now I am

working hard to heal their guts and immune systems. We have spent a lot of

money on this. They are healthier now than when I vaccinated them. My son got

ear infections within 7 days of each vaccination. My daughter had many of them

too but her records aren't as easy to read as my Dr kept crappy records for her

and we were using more chiropractic for her than antibiotics by this time.

Neither child has had an ear infection since stopping the vaccinations - and the

trips to the pediatrician. We have them on thyroid medication and supplements

and they are sick only one time a year with a cold for about 2-3 days.

The problem I see with doing some and not all is explaining why you did that. I

have a struggle now with starting and then stopping. I have to explain over and

over why I changed my mind. I can tell them in a way that I was very sick

fighting cancer when I did this and when I began to get well I started

concentrating on more than my own health.

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

I absolutely agree with what you say Venita! Last night, I did a

webinar with Cyndi O'Meara

(http://avn.org.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=854

) who is one of my absolute heroes (heroines? LOL)

She is the daughter of a pharmacist who decided that drugs were too

toxic so he studied to become a chiropractor and he raised his family

in the chiropractic tradition. Cyndi is 49 years old and has never had

a vaccine. She has never had an antibiotic or any other pharmaceutical

drug. Neither have her children. Her 19 year old son broke a bone last

year and after all the essential oils and other remedies she was

giving him were not able to ease the pain enough for him to get some

sleep, she gave him one single panadol. It was the first time he got a

drug and it stopped the pain for over 13 hours! Because he did not

have a body that was so used to drugs they no longer work the way they

should.

Her family and its health status is what everyone wants - whether they

are for or against vaccination. The thing is - how many vaccinating

and drug-using families can say that their children are that healthy?

I don't know of any, sadly.

All the best,

Meryl

On 13/08/2009, at 10:59 AM, Venita Garner wrote:

> Yep.. remember only hindsight is 20/20 but I have an 8 y.o. boy, never

> vaxxed. Hardly ever been to a doctor either. I don't think that is a

> " coincidence " either and it's not luck!

>

> Luck is walking along, looking down and seeing a $20 bill on the

> sidewalk.

>

> His good health is NOT luck and no we don't have the greatest diet

> on earth

> either but I try to avoid artificial crap

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12,

> 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

> enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

August 12, 2009

Neil 's books are the reason why I stopped vaccinating my children.

My Chiro gave them to me to read.

Steph

Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much info-

lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious,

correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis

and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial

kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby

got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more

insight into this one.......

HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again

I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd

feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so

that really really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids

until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those

fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of

the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot,

live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time

in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

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Great thread. Thanks to all of you for reminding me why I chose not to vax

anymore. I'm having my baby boy this Fri. and feel confident in our decision.

How I wish I knew the dangers 6 yrs ago, could have prevented my older 2 from

all the illnesses they have endured. I too was very torn b/c although I feared

vaccine reactions I also thought my goodness what if this child gets very sick

with measles or whooping cough etc.., how will I live w/myself? Then I realized

they can still get sick with any disease b/c vaccines are not proved to work or

be safe and effective. I'm much more afraid of vax than of childhood disease. I

see everyday how children suffer and I want to scream on top of my lungs, " IT'S

FROM THE SHOTS " WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but these moms do not want to hear it.

My sister in law just called crying other day b/c her 1 yr old has yet another

double ear infection and extremely high fever. So what does she do tylenol and

antibiotics just more harm to his little body.

Anyway, good luck with your decision. You have to be 100% sure and you'll do

what feels right. Follow your instincts don't let any Dr. pressure or intimidate

you. Do your research, listen to these wonderful folks on here they are very

knowledgeable and have been there.

I'm so lucky to be here and know that we're all here for each other and fighting

for same thing!

Best of luck,

from NJ

mommy to Nicky 6, a 5, Baby due 8-14

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From: MariÃ¨ve <marieve333@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:19 pm

Subject: Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

That's how I used to feel, too. When I first read about the dangers of vaccines,

I wasn't comfortable vaccinating my daughter, but I was still afraid she might

get a disease that I thought could be prevented by a vaccine...

But then, the more I read on the subject, the more I realized that not only are

vaccines dangerous, but they are also completely useless. They don't protect

against anything and they weaken a person's immune system.

My two year old daughter is completely unvaxed, and she is one of the healthiest

children I know. My advice to you is to keep reading on the subject, because it

is important not to make a decision you might regret later. Remember that

vaccines can't be taken out once they are shot in your child's body. I know that

making choices as a parent is not always easy, and that's why it is very

important to get as much information as you can to make your decision.

:-)

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

comfortable not giving him any and I

need some more info- not too much info- lol, but just some good answers to some

questions I am having trouble with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious, correct?

I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course

not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I

could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this

one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again I'd

feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel

horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids until

after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical

organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so

our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we

're out all the time in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2

yrs........

>

August 12, 2009

I love his books, to the point, no fancy medical jargon that we can't

understand, just straight forward and understandable!

Chelly

> Vaccinations

> From: ladybugsandbees@...

> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:31:28 -0400

> Subject: Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

>

> Neil 's books are the reason why I stopped vaccinating my children.

> My Chiro gave them to me to read.

>

> Steph

>

> Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

> NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

> comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much info-

> lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

> meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious,

> correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis

> and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial

> kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby

> got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more

> insight into this one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

> online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again

> I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd

> feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so

> that really really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

> until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids

> until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those

> fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of

> the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot,

> live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the time

> in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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>

August 12, 2009

Best wishes on your new little bundle of joy. My baby boy will be 10

years old this year. I can hardly believe how fast that time has gone.

Re: Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

That's how I used to feel, too. When I first read about the dangers of

vaccines, I wasn't comfortable vaccinating my daughter, but I was still afraid

she might get a disease that I thought could be prevented by a vaccine...

But then, the more I read on the subject, the more I realized that not only

are vaccines dangerous, but they are also completely useless. They don't protect

against anything and they weaken a person's immune system.

My two year old daughter is completely unvaxed, and she is one of the

healthiest children I know. My advice to you is to keep reading on the subject,

because it is important not to make a decision you might regret later. Remember

that vaccines can't be taken out once they are shot in your child's body. I know

that making choices as a parent is not always easy, and that's why it is very

important to get as much information as you can to make your decision.

:-)

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm obviously

NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

comfortable not giving him any and I

need some more info- not too much info- lol, but just some good answers to

some questions I am having trouble with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious, correct?

I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial meningitis and of course

not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the bacterial kind, right?

Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I

could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more insight into this

one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again I'd

feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd feel

horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so that really

really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids until

after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those fanatical

organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle of the road, so

our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot, live in a fairly

big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we

're out all the time in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2

yrs........

>

August 12, 2009

Looking back, my dd did have all her vaccines up to a year and then I didn't do

the MMR and stopped any other boosters after that. Anyway she didn't seem like

she was hardly sick, she got her first cold at 8 months, that wasn't right after

a vaccine. She did get an ear infection/cold/virus at 17 months- again, not

right after a vaccine, and then I think she had a case of the flu around 22

months and hadn't had vaccines for awhile then. After that she just had maybe 2

colds a year, she did get a mild case of scarlet fever at age 3- just the rash

though, no other symptoms. Now since she turned 3 maybe when she would get a

cold she'd get a bad lingering cough with it. I'm not sure how often, maybe a

few times a year since, she had one in March when I was 8 months pregnant, then

she got it again just last month- but my baby didn't get sick at all from her

and we all cosleep, etc. I didn't take her out hardly at all the first year or

two, with him I take him out everywhere. He's been around people with colds and

didn't get it either, in fact I had a cold when he was born! Anyway my dd's had

a few stomach virus where she might throw up a couple times, have a fever off

and on, this might happen once a year or so, but it just doesn't to me seem like

she's sick that often because we haven't taken her to a dr in years and compared

to my friends kids who are in school they are forever on antibiotics, etc and

it's insane!

Anyway, so basically I don't think vaccines directly caused problems with my

daughter... now one thing she does have is Selective Mutism... she was high need

from birth though so I don't know... but she seems fine otherwise, healthwise,

etc. I just worry about boys being more vulnerable to vaccine reactions and I'm

just not convinced that they're safe enough, obviously, but I still can't let go

of the guilt for not getting any for him....

>

> > Yep.. remember only hindsight is 20/20 but I have an 8 y.o. boy, never

> > vaxxed. Hardly ever been to a doctor either. I don't think that is a

> > " coincidence " either and it's not luck!

> >

> > Luck is walking along, looking down and seeing a $20 bill on the

> > sidewalk.

> >

> > His good health is NOT luck and no we don't have the greatest diet

> > on earth

> > either but I try to avoid artificial crap

> >

> > Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12,

> > 10,

> > 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> > http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> > necessarily current pictures

> >

> > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

> > enough

> > to make them all yourself.

> >

August 12, 2009

Yes that is what my chiro said too. I was impressed with them. I need to

get my own copies so I can lend them to others.

Steph

Need help on deciding to selectively vaccinate....

>

> I need some answers the help me here, my baby is 4 months old, I'm

> obviously

> NOT comfortable vaccinating him at all, but at the same time I'm not 100%

> comfortable not giving him any and I need some more info- not too much

> info-

> lol, but just some good answers to some questions I am having trouble

> with:

>

> 1. PC- ok, so the main reason to possibly get this vaccine is to prevent

> meningitis- bacterial meningitis- which can be deadly and very serious,

> correct? I have read this doesn't prevent all types of bacterial

> meningitis

> and of course not the viral kind- but that's not as serious as the

> bacterial

> kind, right? Meningitis does freak me out, I would feel HORRIBLE if my

> baby

> got this and I could have prevented it with a vaccine.... so I need more

> insight into this one.......

> HIB is another meningitis one, right? But HIb is also rare, right?

>

> 2. Pertussis- This is something else that does freak me out, I've looked

> online and seen videos of babies with this and it does freak me out, again

> I'd feel HORRIBLE if my baby got this and I could have prevented it. I'd

> feel horrible if he got this got brain damage from the coughing fits, so

> that really really bothers me.... so I need more insight there too...

>

> I also agree that after age 2 these arent' as serious diseases, so waiting

> until then to vaccinate makes no sense either. We breastfeed, delay solids

> until after 6.5 months, limit chemicals although I'm not one of those

> fanatical organics with everything organic or chemical free, we're middle

> of

> the road, so our house does have some chemicals. Also we do go out a lot,

> live in a fairly big city, I have a 6 yr old also so we're out all the

> time

> in crowds, so this baby will not be isolated for 2 yrs........

>

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August 12, 2009

Once you learn more you will understand these things don't need to happen RIGHT

after a vaccine to have been caused by one.

Some side effects happen months or years later.

My two kids are seriously never sick - if they do get a snotty nose or something

it lasts a few hours! My son was sent home last year at lunch time because he

had a fever and was snotty. He was FINE that morning - and FINE by the next

morning. He did sleep all afternoon, but bounced right out of it. My daughter

does sometimes carry the snotty nose a couple of days, but it doesn't slow her

down one bit.

My son had one ear infection when he was around 3 or 4, and I didn't know about

it till the morning when his hair was all sticky and matted on that side when he

woke up - he never complained of pain at all, and slept that entire night

through. My daughter has never had an ear infection.

Keep reading folks stories here, and you'll get the general idea.

Chelly

Vaccinations

From: kristi3003@...

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:41:59 +0000