Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

August 7, 2009

Oh, that's great, Jim! Make the kid think--good for you. Very funny.

Winnie

Check out

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

August 7, 2009

I agree with you on all points.

The point it would make is that they won't sign it.

if they won't sign it, that should tell a parent no matter how uneducated they

may about vaccines that something is wrong.

One can ask them selves this question. Why are there guarantees on everything

from cars to toasters but not on vaccines?

If these people won't guarantee their vaccines to be safe and effective, why

take the shots?

If a dr. is not willing to sign that then he must know something. If he knows

the dangers and refuses to sign, why would any parent of any intelligence give

their child poisons that neither the maker or the seller wont guarantee?

Why should any reasonable person just trust a medical man and take his/her word

for it if they won't take responsibility.

Would you trust a car salesman or would you do your homework? Isn't the baby

more important than a car?

Jim

________________________________

From: Catala <yvonnecatala@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 5:00:39 PM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Sure this is a " nice " idea, but face it, is not realistic. I am sure no MD has

EVER signed either the short or " new " long Physician's Warranty of Vaccine

Safety form? I would be amazed to hear otherwise. I don't really see how that

Warranty form even serves a purpose other than to further destroy the

relationship between the parent and physician.

I think the problem lies with the fact that parents can be " forced " to sign a

form or vaccinate or are asked to leave the practice. This happened to me with

the first of our Pediatricians in Florida. He was the top ped in the area and

truly was an amazing ped. Very reasonable (with the exception of vaccine issue)

even recommending alternate care such as Chiropractic for ear infections, etc.

He even discovered my daughter's SPD on the first visit where others had missed

it. I chose to leave the practice, but my guess is many others who were maybe

new to the no-vaccine issues just signed it.

My next ped was " tolerant " but not supportive of the not vaccinating. He asked

every visit " just to check " but didn't pursue past my answer of " no thanks " . I

am sure if I had whipped out said Warranty form, it would have destroyed that

relationship and it would have made futures visits (if they didn't kick us out)

very uncomfortable. Not worth it - I was just happy he didn't force the vaccines

(he was the ONLY ped in the practice that didn't require them).

Just my input. While I am all for educating others including medical staff

regarding the vaccine issue - I don't believe that that type of form certainly

is going to sway anyone - just irritate them further beyond being able to look

with a rational eye at the other side...

C.

>

> Excellent idea.

>

> Even they admit possibility of vaccine caused disease, disability and death..

>

> Jim

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: sassykidsboutique <sassykidsboutique@ ...>

> Vaccinations

> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:35:26 AM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

> I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

>

August 7, 2009

Actually when your in a hospital, you have to sign a form for every drug or

treatment refused.

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 5:17:55 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

I agree. While it it totally logical to suggest it, in reality what's the point

of going to a doctor you've been alienated from? Do you really think they'll

sign it and then you'll have a rosy relationship? Or if they don't sign it, then

where are you left? Either tell them you're not comfortable signing it, change

the wording or get a new doc.

It shouldn't even be an issue. What other doctor recommendations do you have to

sign that you're declining their advice on? Stupid.

Winnie

Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate

> your baby

> >

> > I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty

> much getting themselves ready to blame you if your child were to

> get sick from or heaven forbid die from one of the diseases. I

> would like to see THEM sign a form that is the other way around.

> I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be killing your

> child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

> >

August 7, 2009

-Hi Amy!

I was lucky enough to do it with all my foster kids. The only one who

had any shots at all was the one I adopted. Even then, she only had 2, &

reacted to one of them. I guess the fact that it's assumed we all did

shots as foster parents in addition to the fact there were no laws in

place specifically forcing us to do them at the time, helped our

situation. I actually had one birthmother ask me NOT to vaccinate her

child. I seem to be good at flying under the radar.....don't ask, don't

tell, LOL! Good luck in September! :~)

-

> > >

> > > What do you think?

> > >

> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > > From: " Bokelly6@ " Bokelly6@

> > > jimokelly@

> > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> > > Subject: Check out

> > http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

> > >

> > > http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

August 7, 2009

public school, it was the exemption form that says you know vaccines are great

but refuse to take them.

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 5:42:12 PM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

The school? It's for doctors to give to their patients. What kind of school?

Winnie

Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

August 7, 2009

Hi Jim,

Well the flaw with your point is that it falls under the " preaching to the

choir " premise. I believe that only those people who are ALREADY not

vaccinating would have that form or even consider presenting it to a ped, so

then the only thing it will do is cause even more strife between the two

parties.

Also, to your example, it is actually perfect for proving how illogical the form

is. It is not the salesperson who would provide you with a warranty, it is the

car manufacturer. If your car brakes failed leaving the showroom with your new

car and a family member was killed, would you sue the salesperson? NO,

Obviously a doctor is not going to put himself on the hook for a product made by

someone else which he is just paid to " sell " . For him to sign the form makes no

sense...

C.

who made the car and

> >

> > Excellent idea.

> >

> > Even they admit possibility of vaccine caused disease, disability and

death..

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: sassykidsboutique <sassykidsboutique@ ...>

> > Vaccinations

> > Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:35:26 AM

> > Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

> >

> > I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

> >

August 7, 2009

In a hospital maybe, but not for regular visits. I just came from a complete

assessment on my dad and have two pages of recommendations for everything from

the flu shot and anti-depressants to colonoscopies and urological evaluations.

No one asked for anything to be signed. And happily he's rejected almost all of

their advice. I am so stunned.

But, yes, once they've got you signed in somewhere, there's probably more

pressure to document their recommendations and have you sign to cover their

backsides.

Winnie

Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate

> > your baby

> > >

> > > I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty

> > much getting themselves ready to blame you if your child were

> to

> > get sick from or heaven forbid die from one of the diseases. I

> > would like to see THEM sign a form that is the other way

> around.

> > I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be killing your

> > child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

> > >

August 7, 2009

Hi

The point I was tying to get across is not that anybody would sign anything or a

case would ever get to court.

The main point is that folks should do their homework. They should investigate.

They should ask questions.

Today is different than when I was young. There were no groups like this. No

Internet. No books. No Nothing.

Now people have a chance to get all the facts if vaxing or thinking of vaxing.

There is no excuse for anyone just to trust their doctor once they hear adverse

conversations about vaccines.

Any one who hears or reads anti-vax info and blows it off has no one to blame

but their selves if something happens to their kid.

Make sense.

Jim

________________________________

From: Catala <yvonnecatala@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 7:38:52 PM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Hi Jim,

Well the flaw with your point is that it falls under the " preaching to the

choir " premise. I believe that only those people who are ALREADY not vaccinating

would have that form or even consider presenting it to a ped, so then the only

thing it will do is cause even more strife between the two parties.

Also, to your example, it is actually perfect for proving how illogical the form

is. It is not the salesperson who would provide you with a warranty, it is the

car manufacturer. If your car brakes failed leaving the showroom with your new

car and a family member was killed, would you sue the salesperson? NO, Obviously

a doctor is not going to put himself on the hook for a product made by someone

else which he is just paid to " sell " .. For him to sign the form makes no

sense...

C.

who made the car and

> >

> > Excellent idea.

> >

> > Even they admit possibility of vaccine caused disease, disability and

death..

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: sassykidsboutique <sassykidsboutique@ ...>

> > Vaccinations

> > Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:35:26 AM

> > Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

> >

> > I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

> >

August 7, 2009

Yes, I agree with you 100%. All I was saying that IMO - the form is kind of

well, pointless, and doesn't to me help the " cause " .

Happy weekend!

C.

> > >

> > > Excellent idea.

> > >

> > > Even they admit possibility of vaccine caused disease, disability and

death..

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > From: sassykidsboutique <sassykidsboutique@ ...>

> > > Vaccinations

> > > Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:35:26 AM

> > > Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

> > >

> > > I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

> > >

August 7, 2009

That was part of the exemption form? Weird. No school ever handed me one. Sounds

as if the school is making up its own laws.

Winnie

Check out

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

August 7, 2009

Yes this is the first year for it. It was a form that the school could send the

info to either state or other government agency.

My son just glanced at it and handed it back. I asked him to get me a copy.

When I get it I will let you know exactly what it is about.

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 8:51:05 PM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

That was part of the exemption form? Weird. No school ever handed me one. Sounds

as if the school is making up its own laws..

Winnie

Check out

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate.. pdf

> > >

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

August 7, 2009

Here's Connecticut's form, straight from the DPH website. It's what I use. No

mention of understanding vaccines are great:

(http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/infectious_diseases/pdf%20forms%20 & %20newsletters\

/religious_exemption_form.pdf).

I guess more parents are giving the schools and doctors a hard time.

Winnie

Check out

> > > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt

> oVaccinate.. pdf

> > > >

> > > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

August 7, 2009

Nothing would surprise me about being taken to court over not vaxing a child

In my area, they like to hang us out to dry. I have friends that have

very large families and do not VAX at all. They go to ONE pediatrician in

another city for tear of retribution. We do live in a free country and we

should be able to make our own minds up about what is best for our own

families. OK, off my soap box for a while.

-- Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me, such as

If my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended schedule, the

consequences may include contracting the disease, etc... " and " I know that

following the recommendations about vaccination may endanger... "

Winnie

Check out

> http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

August 8, 2009

That CT religious exemption form is wonderful! Clear, concise.

Why can't there be a form that easy that is available at the time of birth,

that can be handed to the ped and put in the file at the hospital??? And

no harassment allowed to follow, would be nice.

I assume nothing like this is in existence for the time of birth--a

religious exempt child at school age was once a newborn.....why is it acceptable

legally to avoid them at school age but such a hassle at birth?

August 8, 2009

Strangely, I was first given the form by the staff at the old peds practice I

went to many moons ago. She said this is what we give for the schools (!). I

then found that it was also online.

It is a shame that parents are led to believe that they have to vaccinate from

day one if they want their kids to get into school. We should be told that it's

the number of vaccines which are required and the schools don't care WHEN they

got them, just THAT they got them.

Of course, then parents would realize as time went by their toddlers were

healthy and they didn't actually need the vaccines--can't have that now, can

we??

And, you know, that's a good idea you have. Get an exemption form made up at

birth, give to the ped and say " do not pester me about this at each visit. "

Winnie

Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Vaccinations

> That CT religious exemption form is wonderful! Clear, concise.

> Why can't there be a form that easy that is available at the

> time of birth,

> that can be handed to the ped and put in the file at the

> hospital??? And

> no harassment allowed to follow, would be nice.

> I assume nothing like this is in existence for the time of birth-

> -a

> religious exempt child at school age was once a newborn.....why

> is it acceptable

> legally to avoid them at school age but such a hassle at birth?

>

August 8, 2009

Just came from my vaccination awareness protest.

About 23 or 24 people showed up. I had solid commitments from 32.lol

I had four no shots no school not true signs.

Several people came over for info.

One lady across the street with her baby stroller yelled out " my baby is not

vaccinated..

I picked up four more people for my mailing list.

Only one person in a car flicked us off.

My real surprise was there were over 20 cars who blasted their horns and gave

a thumbs up.

There were also five seniors with signs for health care.

I avoided them for obvious reasons.

One came up to me and said " can I ask you a question " I said no you may not.

Since I interrupted his plan of attack, I followed up with, what you and I

learned in our 4th grade science class and then reinforced in biology class that

the teachers as well as our parents learned from their teachers and parents is

simply not true. I said there is more then just these statements that were

forced on us. He said what statements still recovering from my straight out no

to his question.

I said Jenner and Salk wiped out polio and smallpox. Vaccines prevent disease

and drugs help to cure.

I said it would take me two or three hours to explain why none of that is true.

Then I said I have no intention of arguing with anyone here today, but if you

are really interested I will be happy to give you some info. He said fine. I

gave him a DVD of Dr. Tenpenny, and said you have heard your doctors side of the

story, now you can hear another doctors side, and then you can truly make an

informed opinion.

He thanked me and promised to watch it and share with others. I have no idea if

he was a doctor or not, but for those of you who know me, the last thing I

wanted to do was get into a debate on his disease care.

All in all I would say it was worth the time and preparation. Several said lets

do it again.

The event took place at 10:30. I didn't want to be late so I woke up at 6:30 and

was afraid to go back to sleep.

Need to get a couple hours of sleep, but have to go to work.

Have a Jim Dandy day

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:57:08 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Strangely, I was first given the form by the staff at the old peds practice I

went to many moons ago. She said this is what we give for the schools (!). I

then found that it was also online.

It is a shame that parents are led to believe that they have to vaccinate from

day one if they want their kids to get into school. We should be told that it's

the number of vaccines which are required and the schools don't care WHEN they

got them, just THAT they got them.

Of course, then parents would realize as time went by their toddlers were

healthy and they didn't actually need the vaccines--can' t have that now, can

we??

And, you know, that's a good idea you have. Get an exemption form made up at

birth, give to the ped and say " do not pester me about this at each visit. "

Winnie

Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Vaccinations

> That CT religious exemption form is wonderful! Clear, concise.

> Why can't there be a form that easy that is available at the

> time of birth,

> that can be handed to the ped and put in the file at the

> hospital??? And

> no harassment allowed to follow, would be nice.

> I assume nothing like this is in existence for the time of birth-

> -a

> religious exempt child at school age was once a newborn..... why

> is it acceptable

> legally to avoid them at school age but such a hassle at birth?

>

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