Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

[Guest guest]

It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me, such as " If

my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended schedule, the

consequences may include contracting the disease, etc... " and " I know that

following the recommendations about vaccination may endanger... "

Winnie

Check out

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

>

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[Guest guest]

You know Winnie I have heard about this form. I'm thinking that if a parent were

to sign that and heaven forbid their  child died from a disease of anykind(which

would most likely be from allopathic treatment) that the government could

actually charge them with a crime and take them to court.

What do you think?

Jim

________________________________

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:45:32 PM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me, such as " If

my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended schedule, the

consequences may include contracting the disease, etc... " and " I know that

following the recommendations about vaccination may endanger... "

Winnie

Check out

> http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

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[Guest guest]

After I saw them taking that mom to court because she didn't give her

son the Chemo medicine... charging her with murder!!

These forms are admissions of guilt I think so they can make examples of

rebels.

Dawn

Jim O wrote:

>

>

> You know Winnie I have heard about this form. I'm thinking that if a

> parent were to sign that and heaven forbid their child died from a

> disease of anykind(which would most likely be from allopathic

> treatment) that the government could actually charge them with a crime

> and take them to court.

>

> What do you think?

>

> Jim

>

> ________________________________

> From: " wharrison@... <mailto:wharrison%40optonline.net> "

> <wharrison@... <mailto:wharrison%40optonline.net>>

> Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:45:32 PM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me,

> such as " If my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended

> schedule, the consequences may include contracting the disease,

> etc... " and " I know that following the recommendations about

> vaccination may endanger... "

>

> Winnie

> Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow! Reading between the lines - harrass the parents is what this says.

This is outrageous.

When our foster kids' doctor gave us the forms for the birth parents, I

found the alternative form. NO ONE said a thing about it and it has NO

admission of guilt. Fortunately, our adopted daughter doesn't even need a

form for her doctor (he's anti-vax). How many of those doctors can you

find? The state asked me why I have a different doctor for her & us - DUH!

Of course, I just said we had him first and he doesn't take medicaid!

This whole thing is going to get worse with people coming to your house

harrassing you.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

>

> What do you think?

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> From: " Bokelly6@... <Bokelly6%40aol.com> "

<Bokelly6@...<Bokelly6%40aol.com>

> >

> jimokelly@... <jimokelly%40>

> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> Subject: Check out

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

>

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think so too. There was a case a number of years ago in IN

where a child died,  and the parents because of their religion wouldn't take

conventional;

disease care.  The state charged them with murder.

________________________________

From: Dawn (Pendraig) <blaidd2@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:08:25 AM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

After I saw them taking that mom to court because she didn't give her

son the Chemo medicine... charging her with murder!!

These forms are admissions of guilt I think so they can make examples of

rebels.

Dawn

Jim O wrote:

>

>

> You know Winnie I have heard about this form. I'm thinking that if a

> parent were to sign that and heaven forbid their child died from a

> disease of anykind(which would most likely be from allopathic

> treatment) that the government could actually charge them with a crime

> and take them to court.

>

> What do you think?

>

> Jim

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: " wharrison@optonline .net <mailto:wharrison% 40optonline. net> "

> <wharrison@optonline .net <mailto:wharrison% 40optonline. net>>

> Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccination s%40groups. com>

> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:45:32 PM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me,

> such as " If my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended

> schedule, the consequences may include contracting the disease,

> etc... " and " I know that following the recommendations about

> vaccination may endanger... "

>

> Winnie

> Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize..org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

They handed my son that form at school yesterday. He just handed it back.

The person than handed him the regular form with his daughters name already

typed in. They never stop trying.

________________________________

From: Amy <designconceptsstudio@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 1:08:42 AM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

Wow! Reading between the lines - harrass the parents is what this says.

This is outrageous.

When our foster kids' doctor gave us the forms for the birth parents, I

found the alternative form. NO ONE said a thing about it and it has NO

admission of guilt. Fortunately, our adopted daughter doesn't even need a

form for her doctor (he's anti-vax). How many of those doctors can you

find? The state asked me why I have a different doctor for her & us - DUH!

Of course, I just said we had him first and he doesn't take medicaid!

This whole thing is going to get worse with people coming to your house

harrassing you.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>

> What do you think?

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> From: " Bokelly6aol (DOT) com <Bokelly6%40aol. com> " <Bokelly6aol (DOT)

com<Bokelly6%40aol. com>

> >

> jimokelly (DOT) com <jimokelly%40. com>

> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> Subject: Check out

> http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

>

> http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. It seems nowadays, you just can't take anything and sign it. You have

to READ it thoroughly first. And sometimes, it requires getting on the

computer to research it first.

I cannot imagine the state doing that - horrible - well, yes I can imagine,

what has happened to our country?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

>

> I think so too. There was a case a number of years ago in IN

>

> where a child died, and the parents because of their religion wouldn't

> take conventional;

> disease care. The state charged them with murder.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Dawn (Pendraig) <blaidd2@... <blaidd2%40pendraig.us>>

> Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40>

> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:08:25 AM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> After I saw them taking that mom to court because she didn't give her

> son the Chemo medicine... charging her with murder!!

>

> These forms are admissions of guilt I think so they can make examples of

> rebels.

>

> Dawn

>

> Jim O wrote:

> >

> >

> > You know Winnie I have heard about this form. I'm thinking that if a

> > parent were to sign that and heaven forbid their child died from a

> > disease of anykind(which would most likely be from allopathic

> > treatment) that the government could actually charge them with a crime

> > and take them to court.

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: " wharrison@optonline .net <mailto:wharrison%

<wharrison%25>40optonline. net> "

> > <wharrison@optonline .net <mailto:wharrison% <wharrison%25> 40optonline.

> net>>

> > Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccination s%40groups.

> com>

>

> > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 11:45:32 PM

> > Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

> >

> >

> > It's been around. I signed it BUT I changed the wording to suit me,

> > such as " If my child receives the vaccine according to the recommended

> > schedule, the consequences may include contracting the disease,

> > etc... " and " I know that following the recommendations about

> > vaccination may endanger... "

> >

> > Winnie

> > Check out

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize..org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

WOW! Amazing! I always come prepared with forms in hand. NO questions

asked. :-)

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

>

> They handed my son that form at school yesterday. He just handed it back.

> The person than handed him the regular form with his daughters name already

> typed in. They never stop trying.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Amy

<designconceptsstudio@...<designconceptsstudio%40gmail.com>

> >

> Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40>

> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 1:08:42 AM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> Wow! Reading between the lines - harrass the parents is what this says.

> This is outrageous.

>

> When our foster kids' doctor gave us the forms for the birth parents, I

> found the alternative form. NO ONE said a thing about it and it has NO

> admission of guilt. Fortunately, our adopted daughter doesn't even need a

> form for her doctor (he's anti-vax). How many of those doctors can you

> find? The state asked me why I have a different doctor for her & us - DUH!

> Of course, I just said we had him first and he doesn't take medicaid!

>

> This whole thing is going to get worse with people coming to your house

> harrassing you.

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " Bokelly6aol (DOT) com <Bokelly6%40aol. com> "

<Bokelly6@...<Bokelly6%40aol. com>

> > >

> > jimokelly (DOT) com <jimokelly%40. com>

> > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> > Subject: Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How did so many Americans get this brainwashed??????????

Our educators and medical staff are all so blind!

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

>

> They handed my son that form at school yesterday. He just handed it back.

> The person than handed him the regular form with his daughters name already

> typed in. They never stop trying.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Amy

<designconceptsstudio@...<designconceptsstudio%40gmail.com>

> >

> Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40>

> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 1:08:42 AM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> Wow! Reading between the lines - harrass the parents is what this says.

> This is outrageous.

>

> When our foster kids' doctor gave us the forms for the birth parents, I

> found the alternative form. NO ONE said a thing about it and it has NO

> admission of guilt. Fortunately, our adopted daughter doesn't even need a

> form for her doctor (he's anti-vax). How many of those doctors can you

> find? The state asked me why I have a different doctor for her & us - DUH!

> Of course, I just said we had him first and he doesn't take medicaid!

>

> This whole thing is going to get worse with people coming to your house

> harrassing you.

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " Bokelly6aol (DOT) com <Bokelly6%40aol. com> "

<Bokelly6@...<Bokelly6%40aol. com>

> > >

> > jimokelly (DOT) com <jimokelly%40. com>

> > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> > Subject: Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just today a mother and two children were in my diner.

The little girl (6 years old) had a band aid on her forehead. She said she fell

and needed two stitches.

I suggested to mom when she got home two take the band aid off and let the kid

get some air and sunshine on the cut.

The mom said so you know more about this than the doctor. I said well as a

matter of fact I do. I have been studying health for over 35 years since they

screwed my daughter up. She just said oh. I came back to the table and the 6

year old said, I believe the nurse not you. I said well I think you should

believe me not the nurse. ( Now this is all being said in a half serious and

half joking way. The little girl folded her arms and shook her head no.

I than said how is your sandwich? She said good.  I said well go ask your nurse.

Mom laughed.  I handled this in a fun way, but I couldn't believe kids were this

brainwashed at such a young age.

________________________________

From: Amy <designconceptsstudio@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 1:24:00 AM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

How did so many Americans get this brainwashed? ?????????

Our educators and medical staff are all so blind!

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>

> They handed my son that form at school yesterday. He just handed it back.

> The person than handed him the regular form with his daughters name already

> typed in. They never stop trying.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Amy <designconceptsstudi o@...<designconceptsstud

io%40gmail. com>

> >

> Vaccinations <Vaccinations% 40groups. com>

> Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 1:08:42 AM

> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

>

>

> Wow! Reading between the lines - harrass the parents is what this says.

> This is outrageous.

>

> When our foster kids' doctor gave us the forms for the birth parents, I

> found the alternative form. NO ONE said a thing about it and it has NO

> admission of guilt. Fortunately, our adopted daughter doesn't even need a

> form for her doctor (he's anti-vax). How many of those doctors can you

> find? The state asked me why I have a different doctor for her & us - DUH!

> Of course, I just said we had him first and he doesn't take medicaid!

>

> This whole thing is going to get worse with people coming to your house

> harrassing you.

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " Bokelly6aol (DOT) com <Bokelly6%40aol. com> " <Bokelly6aol (DOT)

com<Bokelly6%40aol.. com>

> > >

> > jimokelly (DOT) com <jimokelly%40. com>

> > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> > Subject: Check out

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > http://www.cispimmu nize.org/ pro/pdf/Refusalt oVaccinate. pdf

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways......

[Guest guest]

You can ask them to: http://www.vaclib.org/legal/accept.htm

I love the " newest, longest and best document is here: Physician's Warranty

of Vaccine Safety "

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/consent09.doc

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM, sassykidsboutique <

sassykidsboutique@...> wrote:

>

>

> I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

> themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

> forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form

> that is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may

> be killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways......

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent idea.

Even they admit possibility of vaccine caused disease, disability and death.

Jim

________________________________

From: sassykidsboutique <sassykidsboutique@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:35:26 AM

Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

[Guest guest]

Yet another reason I never take my children to the " doctor " . Not to

mention they're never sick....wonder why that is, LOL!

-

>

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> From: " Bokelly6@... " Bokelly6@...

> jimokelly@...

> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> Subject: Check out

http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

>

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A " I'll sign yours if you sign mine " thing.. I love it! vac lib already has

similar though, I'd put in a blurb about them coming to hold your hand, at

any time, day or night should an adverse reaction occur since they don't

consider fever an adverse reaction, or the swelling at injection site to be

serious.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

I wish I could do that with my foster kids....well, I did in the beginning

and I found myself in hot water. We noticed right away that the 2yr old boy

had a terrible immune system (lots of fevers and diarrhea) so we just gave

him probiotics and vitamins and even used an herbal antibiotic (on

rare occasions) because I knew the doctors would just LOAD HIM UP with

antibiotics (supressing his immune system further). NOW....one year later -

his immune system is doing VERY well. He has not been sick hardly at all

for 6+ months. He appears almost as healthy as the other kids.

I'm thankful I gave the kids that time to allow their little bodies to heal

themselves. So, I completely agree, Kim. I just HOPE & PRAY we get some

resolution this September in court in our favor and we can begin to make

some decisions for the kids without pressure from the system.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:27 PM, kimberlyire <kimberlyire@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Yet another reason I never take my children to the " doctor " . Not to

> mention they're never sick....wonder why that is, LOL!

>

> -

>

>

> >

> > What do you think?

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > From: " Bokelly6@... " Bokelly6@...

> > jimokelly@...

> > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:40:28 PM

> > Subject: Check out

> http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

> >

> > http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusaltoVaccinate.pdf

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I love it to! Once OR IF we adopt our foster kids, we will have them

on our insurance and go to our doctor (anti-vax). BUT, IF I'm forced to use

the medicaid for something, I will BRING MY FORMS for them to signs along

with my signed exemptions. If I'm harrassed for ANY reason, I'll whip out

the doctor's consent with a SMILE on my face! I think the whole discussion

will come to a hault at that moment. I might even ask them to attach that

to their file so if we have to return, they'll know that I need that signed

FIRST before I would do any vaccination. I don't think they'd ask again

after that.

BTW-I was told that yesterday - crying for 24 hrs straight, fever, large

lump for up to 2 months were NOT signs of an allergic reaction to the

vaccine! HUH? Then, what is? Honestly, since I had to do one -

polio (that they appeared to prove has no mercury/thimerosal), I just prayed

he would be protected from the other toxins. He seems to be doing okay so

far! I rubbed Arnica at the injection site when I got home. No fever or

crying so we'll see. Of course, if something did happen, they would say it

wasn't related.

There is a true story of a scientist who was at the Paluxy River, near Glen

Rose Texas, where dinosaur & man's footprints were found together. At the

time they were found, no one knew what this meant, but the scientist who

believed man could not have lived at the time of dinosaurs would NOT even

look at the footprints. He turned his back to it. Another scientist wanted

to talk to him about them and get his thoughts, but he was SO set in his

point of view, that he could not tolerate ANY other idea or potential. My

point is NOT to direct a debate about that, but that MOST people who are

pro-vaccine have that same attitude. They won't even look at the data to

even investigate the possibility. I'm not sure why, but when rooted in a

position, some are unwilling to look at other positions. BTW-that is NOT

the definition of science. Science is supposed to look at ALL the

evidence. But, today, what we have is something entirely different.

Amazingly (amoungst so many other things), the Bible mentions this:

1 6:20-21

" O , keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and

vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some

professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. "

science falsely so called. That is the world in which we live today. Most

of our " science " including vaccines is based on bad data or no data mixed

with political agenda driven by $$$.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>wrote:

>

>

> A " I'll sign yours if you sign mine " thing.. I love it! vac lib already has

> similar though, I'd put in a blurb about them coming to hold your hand, at

> any time, day or night should an adverse reaction occur since they don't

> consider fever an adverse reaction, or the swelling at injection site to be

> serious.

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

        Look em in the eye and Say

I                                                                               \

                                                                                \

                 I will sign yours if you will sign mine.

Certainly that's fair enough isn't it?

 

What a great counter.

I would love to see the look on their face and hear them stutter their lame

excuses.

Man I wish I had kids in school to pull that one off.

Everyone should give copies to every one you know, place copies on bulletin

boards.

carry a copy in your purse or pocket.

 

________________________________

From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:35:41 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

 

A " I'll sign yours if you sign mine " thing.. I love it! vac lib already has

similar though, I'd put in a blurb about them coming to hold your hand, at

any time, day or night should an adverse reaction occur since they don't

consider fever an adverse reaction, or the swelling at injection site to be

serious.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6. dotphoto. com <http://momof6. dotphoto. com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

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I LOVE how you turned the tables on them Winnie...that is slick.

This is encouragement for them to harass parents, and even though it states that

this form is NOT to be substituted for legal advice, it WILL be used as

evidence.

What I find most interesting is this: They specifically mention that the parent

has recieved the Vaccine Information Statement from the Centers for Disease

Control and Prevention. Yet does not mention the actual package insert, which

give much, much more information. I haven't done a side by side comparison, but

will when I have the opportunity. I'd venture to say that the CDC's papers sound

FAR less harmful than the package inserts.

Has anyone started a comment blitz to the AAP?? We really should, they aren't

giving both sides of the story by any means....and how can any parent have

" informed consent " without knowing ALL the information?!

Let the blitz begin!

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P.S. Thanks for sharing this! I don't post here often, but you all who are

active are very, very appreciated! :-D

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I see no overt conspiracy ....plan is a possibility though, going strictly by

what it says it wants docs to nag patients about vaxes. Which thankfully not

all docs will do. The ones who are wavering or not firm on their stance would

likely cave under the pressure. I think this goes to show even more about using

the downloadable vaccine refusal form.

Lori

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Sure this is a " nice " idea, but face it, is not realistic. I am sure no MD has

EVER signed either the short or " new " long Physician's Warranty of Vaccine

Safety form? I would be amazed to hear otherwise. I don't really see how that

Warranty form even serves a purpose other than to further destroy the

relationship between the parent and physician.

I think the problem lies with the fact that parents can be " forced " to sign a

form or vaccinate or are asked to leave the practice. This happened to me with

the first of our Pediatricians in Florida. He was the top ped in the area and

truly was an amazing ped. Very reasonable (with the exception of vaccine issue)

even recommending alternate care such as Chiropractic for ear infections, etc.

He even discovered my daughter's SPD on the first visit where others had missed

it. I chose to leave the practice, but my guess is many others who were maybe

new to the no-vaccine issues just signed it.

My next ped was " tolerant " but not supportive of the not vaccinating. He asked

every visit " just to check " but didn't pursue past my answer of " no thanks " . I

am sure if I had whipped out said Warranty form, it would have destroyed that

relationship and it would have made futures visits (if they didn't kick us out)

very uncomfortable. Not worth it - I was just happy he didn't force the

vaccines (he was the ONLY ped in the practice that didn't require them).

Just my input. While I am all for educating others including medical staff

regarding the vaccine issue - I don't believe that that type of form certainly

is going to sway anyone - just irritate them further beyond being able to look

with a rational eye at the other side...

C.

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> Vaccinations

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> Subject: Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

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> I would NEVER sign that form. It sounds like they are pretty much getting

themselves ready to blame you if your child were to get sick from or heaven

forbid die from one of the diseases. I would like to see THEM sign a form that

is the other way around. I know that by recommending this vaccine I may be

killing your child and I choose to recommend it anyways..... .

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I agree. While it it totally logical to suggest it, in reality what's the point

of going to a doctor you've been alienated from? Do you really think they'll

sign it and then you'll have a rosy relationship? Or if they don't sign it, then

where are you left? Either tell them you're not comfortable signing it, change

the wording or get a new doc.

It shouldn't even be an issue. What other doctor recommendations do you have to

sign that you're declining their advice on? Stupid.

Winnie

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> much getting themselves ready to blame you if your child were to

> get sick from or heaven forbid die from one of the diseases. I

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[Guest guest]

It helps that the doc is an acquaintance outside of her practice. For each kid I

wouldn't remember what I wrote so I'd have to make it up each time. She said

write what you want. I look forward to seeing what you come up with this time.

Good thought on the package insert. The last time I allowed my children to be

vaccinated, I got them tetanus boosters on the advice of my naturopath, brain

not working with new baby, I suppose! I had the doc special order tetanus only

vaccines, but they didn't get them from the company I asked for. So, I had them

reorder them. I thought afterwards to ask for the insert to make sure of the

company (should have done it first) and they gave me a photocopy of the DT's. I

said it was supposed to be just tetanus but they claimed they couldn't find an

insert for that, even though they just opened the package.I'm sure they gave

them a combo one of some kind, lazy jerks.

And, yes, the VIS's from the CDC are their interpretation of the vaccine's

effects.

Winnie

Re: Plan or conspiracy to vaccinate your baby

Vaccinations

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> I LOVE how you turned the tables on them Winnie...that is slick.

>

> This is encouragement for them to harass parents, and even

> though it states that this form is NOT to be substituted for

> legal advice, it WILL be used as evidence.

>

> What I find most interesting is this: They specifically mention

> that the parent has recieved the Vaccine Information Statement

> from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Yet does

> not mention the actual package insert, which give much, much

> more information. I haven't done a side by side comparison, but

> will when I have the opportunity. I'd venture to say that the

> CDC's papers sound FAR less harmful than the package inserts.

>

> Has anyone started a comment blitz to the AAP?? We really

> should, they aren't giving both sides of the story by any

> means....and how can any parent have " informed consent " without

> knowing ALL the information?!

>

> Let the blitz begin!

>

> ~

>

> P.S. Thanks for sharing this! I don't post here often, but you

> all who are active are very, very appreciated! :-D

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[Guest guest]

I think they could do it anyway, if they were so inclined.

Winnie

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[Guest guest]

The school? It's for doctors to give to their patients. What kind of school?

Winnie

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