Guest guest Posted September 24, 2000 Report Share Posted September 24, 2000 Jule, Will absolutely miss you and your wisdom this evening! I certainly hope you are proud as well to have raised two independent children, looking towards a bright future! Perhaps one of these days you can share with us what your older children experienced having a younger brother with OCD. Perhaps I have missed it in the past, but I know siblings are always a major issue when one child in the family is so much needier. Why Wisconsin? Where is Beloit? (Feel free to answer off post, or not at all) It's great you are not pushing your exhaustion, and know enough on how to take care of yourself and regain your strength, which you undoubtedly need. Great to hear Aiden is still doing well-- from the volume on this list and others lately, I think you have a great chance of succeeding-- this time of year seems to have set most of our children off, understandably, so his doing well is a good sign I hope. Soon Ellen/NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 If I take a phen-free in the morning the caffiene wears off after lunch and I want to nap. do you take something in the morning, or even coffee? coffee apparently takes 6 hours to leave your system. in NZ > hi guys, > > i'm in week 8 of my challenge and some days i feel ok, energy wise, > but other days i'm exchausted. it usually kicks in around 1 or 2 in > the afternoon, and then i have more energy by 7 or 8 in the evening. > this has happened to me in the past and i can't figure out if it's > health related or not. i have borderline low thyroid, so i take > medication to regulate it. in the past i've also had low iron. i'm > planning on going back to have my blood tested again to see if > anything is out of whack. do you think it's possible to push too > hard during a workout and in turn cause exhaustion? any one else out > there experiencing this? > > kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 sometimes i drink 1 cup of coffee in the morning. in the afternoon, when i'm feeling really tired i usually drink a diet soda or iced tea. > > hi guys, > > > > i'm in week 8 of my challenge and some days i feel ok, energy > wise, > > but other days i'm exchausted. it usually kicks in around 1 or 2 > in > > the afternoon, and then i have more energy by 7 or 8 in the > evening. > > this has happened to me in the past and i can't figure out if it's > > health related or not. i have borderline low thyroid, so i take > > medication to regulate it. in the past i've also had low iron. i'm > > planning on going back to have my blood tested again to see if > > anything is out of whack. do you think it's possible to push too > > hard during a workout and in turn cause exhaustion? any one else > out > > there experiencing this? > > > > kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Add a protein to Meal 6. As far as being beat today, I say, sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. Maybe today's just your day to be the bug. Is it near your cycle? I feel like hybernating near mine. No, not staying at home eating Pringles like normal people, sleeping in a cave until the next season hybernating. I drag my butt in and usually feel better. Did this just start? Is it ongoing? Or is today just special? > Hi, I'm new. I just started week 4 of BFL and am feeling great and > seeing real changes. There are just two things I don't understand: > > 1) The scale is going up and not down and yet I am seeing changes in > my body shape. That drives me crazy! I know all about muscle > weighing more than fat but for some reason it really irks me! > > 2) Today I feel absolutely exhausted...really drained. I am supposed > to go to the gym now and I'm struggling with getting out of the > chair right now. I did a good lower body workout yesterday, and I > did everything I was supposed to afterwards: drank water, took my > Myoplex shake, took HMB and L-Glutamine etc. Why am I so tired? > Obviously I am not recovering well from my lower body days. Maybe > I'm not eating enough. This is what I ate yesterday (and on most > days): > > Meal 1: 2 scrambled eggs with one yolk and small bowl of oatmeal > Meal 2: Myoplex shake > Meal 3: Chicken, salad and small ammount of brown rice > Meal 4: A few nuts and a protein shake > Meal 5: Myoplex bar > Meal 6: bowl of bran cereal > > I don't feel hungry and it's a challenge to get all the meals down. > I'm trying to do things by the letter but why am I so exhausted? I > have to admit I have no idea what calories I'm consuming as anything > to do with numbers makes me run screaming from the room! I'd rather > do the size of your fist type of measurement. On top of food I take > the following supplements everyday: > > Creatine (Phosphagen HP) > Evening Primrose Oil > Flaxseed Oil > Cod Liver Oil > Multivitamin > Biotin > L-Glutamine > HMB > Calcium and Magnesium > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > Add a protein to Meal 6. As far as being beat today, I say, sometimes > you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. Maybe today's just your > day to be the bug. Is it near your cycle? I feel like hybernating near > mine. No, not staying at home eating Pringles like normal people, > sleeping in a cave until the next season hybernating. I drag my butt in > and usually feel better. Did this just start? Is it ongoing? Or is today > just special? > Hi, thanks for replying. I've just finished my cycle and so I know it's not that. I'm definitely the bug rather than the wondshield just before each cycle, but I plan for it, and actually last week I still worked out even though I felt tired. This is a different tired.....more like an exhaustion. I have had it before and I know it's connected to a particularly heavy workout so I'm sure its recovery related. I make sure to drink an extra protein shake before bed when I do lower body workouts and I forgot to do that yesterday so maybe that's it. What protein do you suggest i eat with meal 6? I work nights and so that meal is at about 5am when I'm at work and cereal is really the only thing I feel like eating about then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Something simple I would think, like some scrambled whites and a whole egg or a little low fat Canadian bacon or cottage cheese? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > Something simple I would think, like some scrambled whites and a whole egg > or a little low fat Canadian bacon or cottage cheese? Thanks. I'll try the cottage cheese or a protein shake. I don't think I can face eggs at 5am! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 How many hours of sleep are you getting per night and how high-quality is it? Sleep is probably the most critical component of workout recovery. Often when people start training hard, they go from getting by on 5-7 hours of sleep a night to suddenly needing 8-10 hours. Also, your meals are high in processed foods and seriously lacking in fruits and vegetables. That could be one reason your numbers are creeping up. You may have already seen it, but check out the lean out or swell up menus: http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html The shakes, bars, rice, and cereal are sort of tipping you in the " swell up " direction. Try eating fruits and vegetables at every meal instead of only one meal, and if at all possible, replace some of the shakes and bars with whole food protein sources like chicken, turkey, tuna, lean ground beef, veggie burgers, cottage cheese, eggs, etc. They'll have a much bigger impact on your metabolism (thermic effect of food) and when combined with the fresh fruits and veggies they should cause you to lose any extra water weight you're hanging onto. Might give you a nice energy boost too. Your last three meals would definitely make me fall asleep sitting up. They're pretty unbalanced and not enough real food. There's no carb portion in meal 4, I'm always starving an hour or two after eating a bar, and there's no protein portion in meal 6. Anyway, just some thoughts. :-) Hopefully, it will give you some things to try. That " hit by a truck " feeling is no fun. Ooh, also make sure you're drinking all your water and then some. Creatine can be dehydrating and dehydration can also give you that wiped out, achy, exhausted feeling. On 7/18/05, Rockgurl <rockgurl1967@...> wrote: > Hi, I'm new. I just started week 4 of BFL and am feeling great and > seeing real changes. There are just two things I don't understand: > > 1) The scale is going up and not down and yet I am seeing changes in > my body shape. That drives me crazy! I know all about muscle > weighing more than fat but for some reason it really irks me! > > 2) Today I feel absolutely exhausted...really drained. I am supposed > to go to the gym now and I'm struggling with getting out of the > chair right now. I did a good lower body workout yesterday, and I > did everything I was supposed to afterwards: drank water, took my > Myoplex shake, took HMB and L-Glutamine etc. Why am I so tired? > Obviously I am not recovering well from my lower body days. Maybe > I'm not eating enough. This is what I ate yesterday (and on most > days): > > Meal 1: 2 scrambled eggs with one yolk and small bowl of oatmeal > Meal 2: Myoplex shake > Meal 3: Chicken, salad and small ammount of brown rice > Meal 4: A few nuts and a protein shake > Meal 5: Myoplex bar > Meal 6: bowl of bran cereal > > I don't feel hungry and it's a challenge to get all the meals down. > I'm trying to do things by the letter but why am I so exhausted? I > have to admit I have no idea what calories I'm consuming as anything > to do with numbers makes me run screaming from the room! I'd rather > do the size of your fist type of measurement. On top of food I take > the following supplements everyday: > > Creatine (Phosphagen HP) > Evening Primrose Oil > Flaxseed Oil > Cod Liver Oil > Multivitamin > Biotin > L-Glutamine > HMB > Calcium and Magnesium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > How many hours of sleep are you getting per night and how high- quality > is it? Sleep is probably the most critical component of workout > recovery. Often when people start training hard, they go from getting > by on 5-7 hours of sleep a night to suddenly needing 8-10 hours. > > Also, your meals are high in processed foods and seriously lacking in > fruits and vegetables. That could be one reason your numbers are > creeping up. You may have already seen it, but check out the lean out > or swell up menus: > > http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html > > The shakes, bars, rice, and cereal are sort of tipping you in the > " swell up " direction. Try eating fruits and vegetables at every meal > instead of only one meal, and if at all possible, replace some of the > shakes and bars with whole food protein sources like chicken, turkey, > tuna, lean ground beef, veggie burgers, cottage cheese, eggs, etc. > They'll have a much bigger impact on your metabolism (thermic effect > of food) and when combined with the fresh fruits and veggies they > should cause you to lose any extra water weight you're hanging onto. > Might give you a nice energy boost too. Your last three meals would > definitely make me fall asleep sitting up. They're pretty unbalanced > and not enough real food. There's no carb portion in meal 4, I'm > always starving an hour or two after eating a bar, and there's no > protein portion in meal 6. > > Anyway, just some thoughts. :-) Hopefully, it will give you some > things to try. That " hit by a truck " feeling is no fun. Ooh, also make > sure you're drinking all your water and then some. Creatine can be > dehydrating and dehydration can also give you that wiped out, achy, > exhausted feeling. > > > Hi , thanks for replying. I do actually eat more fruit and vegetables than my list implied. I eat fruit everyday...usually lots of berries (blueberries, strawberries and raspberries, some mango etc) and on my days off from work I make vegetables like broccoli and asparagus. When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from work for another 2 hours. In order to fit the gym in I need to get up even earlier so I tend to average about 6 hours sleep a day. There's no way I can change that because of my shift pattern. I sleep right through the day because I'm exhausted from work but I always feel icky when I wake up just because it's not natural to sleep during the day. I'm an ICU nurse and most nights are crazy, and we don't actually get a proper break so I have to fit food in quickly and conveniently or I won't get to eat, hence the shakes and bars. I will definitely plan to eat more chicken and fish with vegetables on my days off though. You're right....looking at it in black and white I can see where I'm lacking. I do drink a lot of water, and I make a real effort to keep up with that, and we have a water cooler at work which helps to keep up. Thanks very much for the link....I will go check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > How many hours of sleep are you getting per night and how high- quality > is it? Sleep is probably the most critical component of workout > recovery. Often when people start training hard, they go from getting > by on 5-7 hours of sleep a night to suddenly needing 8-10 hours. > > Also, your meals are high in processed foods and seriously lacking in > fruits and vegetables. That could be one reason your numbers are > creeping up. You may have already seen it, but check out the lean out > or swell up menus: > > http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html > > The shakes, bars, rice, and cereal are sort of tipping you in the > " swell up " direction. Try eating fruits and vegetables at every meal > instead of only one meal, and if at all possible, replace some of the > shakes and bars with whole food protein sources like chicken, turkey, > tuna, lean ground beef, veggie burgers, cottage cheese, eggs, etc. > They'll have a much bigger impact on your metabolism (thermic effect > of food) and when combined with the fresh fruits and veggies they > should cause you to lose any extra water weight you're hanging onto. > Might give you a nice energy boost too. Your last three meals would > definitely make me fall asleep sitting up. They're pretty unbalanced > and not enough real food. There's no carb portion in meal 4, I'm > always starving an hour or two after eating a bar, and there's no > protein portion in meal 6. > > Anyway, just some thoughts. :-) Hopefully, it will give you some > things to try. That " hit by a truck " feeling is no fun. Ooh, also make > sure you're drinking all your water and then some. Creatine can be > dehydrating and dehydration can also give you that wiped out, achy, > exhausted feeling. > > > Hi , thanks for replying. I do actually eat more fruit and vegetables than my list implied. I eat fruit everyday...usually lots of berries (blueberries, strawberries and raspberries, some mango etc) and on my days off from work I make vegetables like broccoli and asparagus. When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from work for another 2 hours. In order to fit the gym in I need to get up even earlier so I tend to average about 6 hours sleep a day. There's no way I can change that because of my shift pattern. I sleep right through the day because I'm exhausted from work but I always feel icky when I wake up just because it's not natural to sleep during the day. I'm an ICU nurse and most nights are crazy, and we don't actually get a proper break so I have to fit food in quickly and conveniently or I won't get to eat, hence the shakes and bars. I will definitely plan to eat more chicken and fish with vegetables on my days off though. You're right....looking at it in black and white I can see where I'm lacking. I do drink a lot of water, and I make a real effort to keep up with that, and we have a water cooler at work which helps to keep up. Thanks very much for the link....I will go check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > > > http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html > Hey , I just spent the last half an hour reading your website from cover to cover (well, I would have done had it got any covers but never mind...) What a great site! Thank you! I'm glad you were obsessive- compulsive enough to take pictures of your food because now I actually have some idea of what I should be eating! Besides....you're as funny as hell and I'm sure I lost weight laughing at all your comments. Your dogs are adorable too. You look absolutely fabulous and you're an inspiration, especially as I'm the same age as you, and if you can do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 I also work some crazy shifts. Sometimes 3pm to 3am. Sometimes 11am to 11pm. I haven't done overnights in a few years but those were always hardest in terms of getting enough sleep and recovering from workouts. I still have poster board taped over my bedroom windows to block out the sun. :-) That used to be my big thing, scurrying home before the sunlight hit me. Once the sunshine hit my eyeballs, my brain was AWAKE and I'd toss and turn for the rest of the day. Anyway, hang in there. You're doing great for the shift you're on and all the meals you have to pack. I've found that string cheese, dried apricots, turkey jerky, baby carrots, and grapes are also foods that can be eaten while standing and running. Glad you got a kick out of the site. I have fun with it. On 7/19/05, Rockgurl <rockgurl1967@...> wrote: > > > How many hours of sleep are you getting per night and how high- > quality > > is it? Sleep is probably the most critical component of workout > > recovery. Often when people start training hard, they go from > getting > > by on 5-7 hours of sleep a night to suddenly needing 8-10 hours. > > > > Also, your meals are high in processed foods and seriously lacking > in > > fruits and vegetables. That could be one reason your numbers are > > creeping up. You may have already seen it, but check out the lean > out > > or swell up menus: > > > > http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html > > > > The shakes, bars, rice, and cereal are sort of tipping you in the > > " swell up " direction. Try eating fruits and vegetables at every > meal > > instead of only one meal, and if at all possible, replace some of > the > > shakes and bars with whole food protein sources like chicken, > turkey, > > tuna, lean ground beef, veggie burgers, cottage cheese, eggs, etc. > > They'll have a much bigger impact on your metabolism (thermic > effect > > of food) and when combined with the fresh fruits and veggies they > > should cause you to lose any extra water weight you're hanging > onto. > > Might give you a nice energy boost too. Your last three meals would > > definitely make me fall asleep sitting up. They're pretty > unbalanced > > and not enough real food. There's no carb portion in meal 4, I'm > > always starving an hour or two after eating a bar, and there's no > > protein portion in meal 6. > > > > Anyway, just some thoughts. :-) Hopefully, it will give you some > > things to try. That " hit by a truck " feeling is no fun. Ooh, also > make > > sure you're drinking all your water and then some. Creatine can be > > dehydrating and dehydration can also give you that wiped out, achy, > > exhausted feeling. > > > > > > > > Hi , thanks for replying. I do actually eat more fruit and > vegetables than my list implied. I eat fruit everyday...usually lots > of berries (blueberries, strawberries and raspberries, some mango > etc) and on my days off from work I make vegetables like broccoli > and asparagus. When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from work > for another 2 hours. In order to fit the gym in I need to get up > even earlier so I tend to average about 6 hours sleep a day. There's > no way I can change that because of my shift pattern. I sleep right > through the day because I'm exhausted from work but I always feel > icky when I wake up just because it's not natural to sleep during > the day. I'm an ICU nurse and most nights are crazy, and we don't > actually get a proper break so I have to fit food in quickly and > conveniently or I won't get to eat, hence the shakes and bars. > > I will definitely plan to eat more chicken and fish with vegetables > on my days off though. You're right....looking at it in black and > white I can see where I'm lacking. I do drink a lot of water, and I > make a real effort to keep up with that, and we have a water cooler > at work which helps to keep up. Thanks very much for the link....I > will go check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 > When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from work > for another 2 hours. Sounds like you have a real time/planning challenge with your job and commute. We could all use more " portable real-food " options. Here are some that come to mind that would last a day in a fanny pack or pocket; 1) fresh broccoli in a baggie 2) Kashi GoLean cereal 3) Raw almonds 4) A few dried cherries or apricots 5) Raw Pepita (pumpkin) seeds 6) Raw carrot (scrubbed) 7) Small apple 8) Beef jerky 9) Rye Krisp crackers Short list, sorry...I hope others can help with this. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 You know, I was given a book that I have used to death because it not only helped me address this issue but also helped me think about combining foods differently. It's called The BodyArt Cookbook by Mein. I don't think it's being published anymore, so you'd have to haunt the used book stores for it. She is a burn-the-water kind of girl so everything is very simple. She even has a section of meal ideas called " When it's to hot to cook. " She started doing BFL eons ago and has become a bodybuilding competitor since then. All of her meals are balanced protein and carbs and include all of the nutritional details. It's awesome, if you can find it. DeDe > > When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from work > > for another 2 hours. > > Sounds like you have a real time/planning challenge with your job and > commute. > We could all use more " portable real-food " options. > Here are some that come to mind that would last a day in a fanny pack > or pocket; > > 1) fresh broccoli in a baggie > 2) Kashi GoLean cereal > 3) Raw almonds > 4) A few dried cherries or apricots > 5) Raw Pepita (pumpkin) seeds > 6) Raw carrot (scrubbed) > 7) Small apple > 8) Beef jerky > 9) Rye Krisp crackers > > Short list, sorry...I hope others can help with this. > > M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 I found this website that says a volume 2 of the cookbook will be out July 21st....I hope its true, bc I would like to check it out! http://www.bodyartcookbook.com/ > > > When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > > > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and from > work > > > for another 2 hours. > > > > Sounds like you have a real time/planning challenge with your job > and > > commute. > > We could all use more " portable real-food " options. > > Here are some that come to mind that would last a day in a fanny > pack > > or pocket; > > > > 1) fresh broccoli in a baggie > > 2) Kashi GoLean cereal > > 3) Raw almonds > > 4) A few dried cherries or apricots > > 5) Raw Pepita (pumpkin) seeds > > 6) Raw carrot (scrubbed) > > 7) Small apple > > 8) Beef jerky > > 9) Rye Krisp crackers > > > > Short list, sorry...I hope others can help with this. > > > > M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 OMG!!! I'm so totally going to pre-order the new one. Thank you for sharing this! XOXOXOX > > > > When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > > > > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and > from > > work > > > > for another 2 hours. > > > > > > Sounds like you have a real time/planning challenge with your > job > > and > > > commute. > > > We could all use more " portable real-food " options. > > > Here are some that come to mind that would last a day in a fanny > > pack > > > or pocket; > > > > > > 1) fresh broccoli in a baggie > > > 2) Kashi GoLean cereal > > > 3) Raw almonds > > > 4) A few dried cherries or apricots > > > 5) Raw Pepita (pumpkin) seeds > > > 6) Raw carrot (scrubbed) > > > 7) Small apple > > > 8) Beef jerky > > > 9) Rye Krisp crackers > > > > > > Short list, sorry...I hope others can help with this. > > > > > > M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 OMG!!! I'm so totally going to pre-order the new one. Thank you for sharing this! XOXOXOX > > > > When I'm working I don't have time to prepare much > > > > food because I work 12 hour night shifts and travel to and > from > > work > > > > for another 2 hours. > > > > > > Sounds like you have a real time/planning challenge with your > job > > and > > > commute. > > > We could all use more " portable real-food " options. > > > Here are some that come to mind that would last a day in a fanny > > pack > > > or pocket; > > > > > > 1) fresh broccoli in a baggie > > > 2) Kashi GoLean cereal > > > 3) Raw almonds > > > 4) A few dried cherries or apricots > > > 5) Raw Pepita (pumpkin) seeds > > > 6) Raw carrot (scrubbed) > > > 7) Small apple > > > 8) Beef jerky > > > 9) Rye Krisp crackers > > > > > > Short list, sorry...I hope others can help with this. > > > > > > M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 > You know, I was given a book that I have used to death because it > not only helped me address this issue but also helped me think about > combining foods differently. It's called The BodyArt Cookbook by > Mein. I don't think it's being published anymore, so you'd > have to haunt the used book stores for it. > > She is a burn-the-water kind of girl so everything is very simple. > She even has a section of meal ideas called " When it's to hot to > cook. " She started doing BFL eons ago and has become a bodybuilding > competitor since then. All of her meals are balanced protein and > carbs and include all of the nutritional details. > > It's awesome, if you can find it. > > DeDe > > Thanks DeDe...I'll look for it on Ebay. I can always use ideas when it comes to food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 > You know, I was given a book that I have used to death because it > not only helped me address this issue but also helped me think about > combining foods differently. It's called The BodyArt Cookbook by > Mein. I don't think it's being published anymore, so you'd > have to haunt the used book stores for it. > > She is a burn-the-water kind of girl so everything is very simple. > She even has a section of meal ideas called " When it's to hot to > cook. " She started doing BFL eons ago and has become a bodybuilding > competitor since then. All of her meals are balanced protein and > carbs and include all of the nutritional details. > > It's awesome, if you can find it. > > DeDe > > Thanks DeDe...I'll look for it on Ebay. I can always use ideas when it comes to food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I have not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. People are idiots. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 you know it Sheri At 05:54 PM 5/7/2009, you wrote: >For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I have >not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. People >are idiots. > >le > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Washington State, USA Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers, Childhood Disease Classes & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes April 22 & 23 http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Yee haw le! Exactly > > For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I have > not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. People > are idiots. > > le > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 very true and I am thrilled by that, it stokes my fire so to speak. But i have been battling this guy on FB and it is tiring. I swear he haunts me day and night. The thing that kills me is that he does not have kids and I know I would not be in this position if I didn't have kids. I wouldn't know the things I know if it wasn't for my kids or my friends (internet friends too) and their kids. Kids bring a lot of experiences with Drs. and ER's. le On May 7, 2009, at 8:33 PM, wharrison@... wrote: > > > Yes, but there are so many more aware now than years gone by. So > many. I only knew of two families who didn't vax when I stopped. Now > look--it's very encouraging, but yes, exhausting. > > Winnie > > exhausted > Vaccinations > > > For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I > > have > > not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. > > People > > are idiots. > > > > le > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Why are you wasting your energy on this FB guy? Honestly, just let it go. Do you need to proove something to him? Do you owe him all this energy and stress? Just let it go - you'll feel just fine! Chelly Vaccinations From: daniellehunt@... Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:01:28 -0700 Subject: Re: exhausted very true and I am thrilled by that, it stokes my fire so to speak. But i have been battling this guy on FB and it is tiring. I swear he haunts me day and night. The thing that kills me is that he does not have kids and I know I would not be in this position if I didn't have kids. I wouldn't know the things I know if it wasn't for my kids or my friends (internet friends too) and their kids. Kids bring a lot of experiences with Drs. and ER's. le On May 7, 2009, at 8:33 PM, wharrison@... wrote: > > > Yes, but there are so many more aware now than years gone by. So > many. I only knew of two families who didn't vax when I stopped. Now > look--it's very encouraging, but yes, exhausting. > > Winnie > > exhausted > Vaccinations > > > For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I > > have > > not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. > > People > > are idiots. > > > > le > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Three words. Prima le Amy These are three of the people that are following the thread and have emailed me questions. I may never get him to see the light but others will. I know he isn't worth it however I getting the first email about toxins in sunscreens and her question of what other things are bad for us really made my day. le Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: exhausted very true and I am thrilled by that, it stokes my fire so to speak. But i have been battling this guy on FB and it is tiring. I swear he haunts me day and night. The thing that kills me is that he does not have kids and I know I would not be in this position if I didn't have kids. I wouldn't know the things I know if it wasn't for my kids or my friends (internet friends too) and their kids. Kids bring a lot of experiences with Drs. and ER's. le On May 7, 2009, at 8:33 PM, wharrison@... wrote: > > > Yes, but there are so many more aware now than years gone by. So > many. I only knew of two families who didn't vax when I stopped. Now > look--it's very encouraging, but yes, exhausting. > > Winnie > > exhausted > Vaccinations > > > For everyone who tirelessly fights this fight I applaud you. I > > have > > not been doing it very long but it is tiring but I won't stop. > > People > > are idiots. > > > > le > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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