cytokines

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While I'm thankful for any research that might lead to improvements

for those with autism, am I the only one who's sick of more studies

telling us our kids have brain inflammation? I mean, haven't we known

this for years?

Debi

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> BBC news:

> Scientists found certain immune system components that promote

> inflammation are consistently activated in people with autism...

>

> Compared with normal control brains, the brains of the people with

> autism were found to contain abnormal patterns of immune system

> proteins called cytokines and chemokines consistent with inflammation.

>

> Immunology Today, 1998, Vol. 19, No 3 pg. 113

> " Modern vaccinations, fear of germs and obsession with hygiene are

> depriving the immune system of the information input upon which it is

> dependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance and

> fine-tune T-cell regulation, and may lead to increased incidences of

> allergies and autoimmune diseases... " Vaccination replaces recovery

> from infections with a rather different type of immunological

> stimulus. This can have unexpected effects. In the measles system,

> both vaccination and the infection itself have profound and

> long-lasting effects on the immune system, but these effects are not

> the same. "

>

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i thought it was interesting because they're saying autistic

children's brains contain abnormal levels of cytokines. then the

following article from immunology today says that vaccinations

" deprive the immune system of the information input upon which it is

dependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance and

fine-tune T-cell regulation. " infection and vaccination affect the

immune systen in profound ways, but these effects are not the same

because, as hilary butler said, " These are injected into new-born

babies, through a needle, by-passing all normal search and destroy, or

Th1, portals of entry. They have the potential to skew the immune

system to an abnormal Th2 system. They do not in any way, shape or

form resemble an inhaled or swallowed bacteria or virus which may

provoke signs of a specific disease, because they are changed,

attenuated, and presented as multi-antigens " so even if you take the

mercury out, the vaccinations are still affecting cytokine balance in

those who are susceptible.

>The committee was unable to address the concern of some that

repeated exposure of a susceptible or fragile child to multiple

vaccines over the developmental period may also produce atypical or

nonspecific immune or nervous system injury that could lead to severe

disability or death (Fisher, 2001b). Such adverse health outcomes may

not be " classical " diseases but variants of diseases. Variants would

not necessarily be picked up in epidemiological or clinical

investigations that use strict diagnostic criteria. There are no

epidemiological studies that address this, either in terms of exposure

or outcome. That is, there is no study that compares an unvaccinated

control group with children exposed to the complete immunization

schedule, nor are there any studies that looked at health outcomes

other than those classically defined, such as infections, allergy, or

diabetes. Thus the committee recognizes with some discomfort that this

report addresses only part of the overall set of concerns of some who

are most wary about the safety of childhood vaccines.<

http://fermat.nap.edu/books/0309083281/html/36.html

>

> While I'm thankful for any research that might lead to improvements

> for those with autism, am I the only one who's sick of more studies

> telling us our kids have brain inflammation? I mean, haven't we known

> this for years?

>

> Debi

>

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It's all part of the same auto-immunity mix.

That's why the vaxed kids exhibit autism, ADD, asthma, allergies, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis at record levels, in the millions. It is a societal crisis on so many levels.

Re: Cytokines

i thought it was interesting because they're saying autisticchildren's brains contain abnormal levels of cytokines. then thefollowing article from immunology today says that vaccinations"deprive the immune system of the information input upon which it isdependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance andfine-tune T-cell regulation." infection and vaccination affect theimmune systen in profound ways, but these effects are not the samebecause, as hilary butler said, "These are injected into new-bornbabies, through a needle, by-passing all normal search and destroy, orTh1, portals of entry. They have the potential to skew the immunesystem to an abnormal Th2 system. They do not in any way, shape orform resemble an inhaled or swallowed bacteria or virus which mayprovoke signs of a specific disease, because they are changed,attenuated, and presented as multi-antigens" so even if you take themercury out, the vaccinations are still affecting cytokine balance inthose who are susceptible. >The committee was unable to address the concern of some thatrepeated exposure of a susceptible or fragile child to multiplevaccines over the developmental period may also produce atypical ornonspecific immune or nervous system injury that could lead to severedisability or death (Fisher, 2001b). Such adverse health outcomes maynot be "classical" diseases but variants of diseases. Variants wouldnot necessarily be picked up in epidemiological or clinicalinvestigations that use strict diagnostic criteria. There are noepidemiological studies that address this, either in terms of exposureor outcome. That is, there is no study that compares an unvaccinatedcontrol group with children exposed to the complete immunizationschedule, nor are there any studies that looked at health outcomesother than those classically defined, such as infections, allergy, ordiabetes. Thus the committee recognizes with some discomfort that thisreport addresses only part of the overall set of concerns of some whoare most wary about the safety of childhood vaccines.<http://fermat.nap.edu/books/0309083281/html/36.html--- In EOHarm , "Debi" <fightingautism@...> wrote:>> While I'm thankful for any research that might lead to improvements> for those with autism, am I the only one who's sick of more studies> telling us our kids have brain inflammation? I mean, haven't we known> this for years?> > Debi>

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H. H.Fudenberg,

FOR H.

CYTOKINE PATTERN IN AUTISM IS ONE OF IMMUNE DYSREGULATION; THE AUTOIMMUNE Disease is secondary to that.

H. H. Fudenberg,M.D.

Inman, SC 29349

(864) 592 8076

Website nitrf.org

From: hcoleman <stratpat@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: Re: CytokinesDate: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:21:11 -0400

It's all part of the same auto-immunity mix.

That's why the vaxed kids exhibit autism, ADD, asthma, allergies, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis at record levels, in the millions. It is a societal crisis on so many levels.

Re: Cytokines

i thought it was interesting because they're saying autisticchildren's brains contain abnormal levels of cytokines. then thefollowing article from immunology today says that vaccinations"deprive the immune system of the information input upon which it isdependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance andfine-tune T-cell regulation." infection and vaccination affect theimmune systen in profound ways, but these effects are not the samebecause, as hilary butler said, "These are injected into new-bornbabies, through a needle, by-passing all normal search and destroy, orTh1, portals of entry. They have the potential to skew the immunesystem to an abnormal Th2 system. They do not in any way, shape orform resemble an inhaled or swallowed bacteria or virus which mayprovoke signs of a specific disease, because they are changed,attenuated, and presented as multi-antigens" so even if you take themercury out, the vaccinations are still affecting cytokine balance inthose who are susceptible. >The committee was unable to address the concern of some thatrepeated exposure of a susceptible or fragile child to multiplevaccines over the developmental period may also produce atypical ornonspecific immune or nervous system injury that could lead to severedisability or death (Fisher, 2001b). Such adverse health outcomes maynot be "classical" diseases but variants of diseases. Variants wouldnot necessarily be picked up in epidemiological or clinicalinvestigations that use strict diagnostic criteria. There are noepidemiological studies that address this, either in terms of exposureor outcome. That is, there is no study that compares an unvaccinatedcontrol group with children exposed to the complete immunizationschedule, nor are there any studies that looked at health outcomesother than those classically defined, such as infections, allergy, ordiabetes. Thus the committee recognizes with some discomfort that thisreport addresses only part of the overall set of concerns of some whoare most wary about the safety of childhood vaccines.<http://fermat.nap.edu/books/0309083281/html/36.html--- In EOHarm , "Debi" <fightingautism@...> wrote:>> While I'm thankful for any research that might lead to improvements> for those with autism, am I the only one who's sick of more studies> telling us our kids have brain inflammation? I mean, haven't we known> this for years?> > Debi>

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someone asked about cytokines

Here is some info on Wikipedia (not a fan of wikipedia but this is OK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokines

and here

http://arthritis.about.com/od/inflammation/f/cytokines.htm

http://www.microvet.arizona.edu/courses/MIC419/Tutorials/cytokines.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090505174547.htm

A cytokine storm

A cytokine storm occurs when the body's immune system over-reacts to

an intruder, such as a virus, by producing high levels of cytokines,

which are signaling chemicals that help mobilize immune cells capable

of removing infectious agents from the body. When too many cytokines

are produced, they can stimulate an inflammatory response in which

the accumulation of immune cells and fluid at the site of infection

may prevent affected tissues and organs such as the lungs from

functioning properly and may even cause death.

I would suggest that vaccines cause cytokine storms and inflammation

and on and on

I'll see if I can find more in relation to vaccines

Sheri

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> someone asked about cytokines

>

> Here is some info on Wikipedia (not a fan of wikipedia but this is OK)

Thanks Sheri for the info. I just never heard of this before.

Katarina

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Sorry, but what is all this?