school problems

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I just found something out today from a friend, that is really ripping me up.

My friend attended a disciplinary and IDEA conference in town here, and it

so happened, noticed that my daughter's vice principal was there. I have had

many many problems with this lady, who believes my daughter is " bad " and

needs correction and regardless of the IEP and doctor's and psychologist's

statements, refuses to acknowledge that any of her negative behavior is

related to the Tourette Syndrome, OCD, or ADHD. <sigh>

Heres the part that is tearing me apart. The vice principal brought up in

one of the sessions, my daughter!!! and then asked the presenter how she

could expel my child before the 10 days of suspensions (she has already

managed to suspend Leigh for 7 days this school year). So now her motives

are quite clear to me. So how do I put a stop to this? How do I send Leigh

back to school Monday with a clear conscious with this evil witch lying in

wait to do her harm? I guess I could request an IEP review, but would it

really help? I have asked the VP since September for a tourette syndrome

inservice. She has yet to comply and here it is half way through April. I

am not sure how to get around this lady. If not for my friend being at the

conference, I would never have known she stated out loud that she wants my

daughter expelled.

Help!

Jay in Colorado

[Guest guest]

This is very disturbing. I wonder what the principal thinks? I would

immediately

consult an education lawyer (yes, that's a specialty) and learn your rights

before

approaching anyone. I suspect it would be good to appproach the vice p. and

principal

together, with a witness of your own and lay out a plan to address v.p.'s

attitude and

your daughter's needs. Document everything! Even a poor response. There is

probably a

grievance procedure which gets the superintendent involved and maybe even the

school

board as well. But this is just " off the top of my head " . I am always amazed

at how

legal advice sometimes differs from common sense so I really would consult a

lawyer

first.

This really just makes me sick. Some people are so close minded!

Dana in NC

Jay7138658@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I just found something out today from a friend, that is really ripping me up.

> My friend attended a disciplinary and IDEA conference in town here, and it

> so happened, noticed that my daughter's vice principal was there. I have had

> many many problems with this lady, who believes my daughter is " bad " and

> needs correction and regardless of the IEP and doctor's and psychologist's

> statements, refuses to acknowledge that any of her negative behavior is

> related to the Tourette Syndrome, OCD, or ADHD. <sigh>

>

> Heres the part that is tearing me apart. The vice principal brought up in

> one of the sessions, my daughter!!! and then asked the presenter how she

> could expel my child before the 10 days of suspensions (she has already

> managed to suspend Leigh for 7 days this school year). So now her motives

> are quite clear to me. So how do I put a stop to this? How do I send Leigh

> back to school Monday with a clear conscious with this evil witch lying in

> wait to do her harm? I guess I could request an IEP review, but would it

> really help? I have asked the VP since September for a tourette syndrome

> inservice. She has yet to comply and here it is half way through April. I

> am not sure how to get around this lady. If not for my friend being at the

> conference, I would never have known she stated out loud that she wants my

> daughter expelled.

>

> Help!

> Jay in Colorado

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jay. Your experience sounds a lot like ours last year. We are still

suffering from the psychological damage the school put us all through. We

handled it by becoming familiar with the law (504 and IDEA), hiring a lawyer

and then holding the lawyer over their heads by always mentioning in every

piece of correspondance that their behavior was against the law. This has

resulted in the school paying for an expensive tutor and then an outside

placement at a very nice special ed school including transportation. We also

managed to keep our daughter involved in her electives and after school

activities at the original school which was unprecedented.

You would not believe that in spite of all this trouble, the school

continues to give my daughter a hard time. They don't know how close they

are to a civil rights lawsuit. Honestly, if my daughter were doing better

(she was so unempowered by this school she has been acting out) I would file

the suit now because I am really angry. They punished her when she needed

support and never admitted they were wrong or apologized. They stressed her

and consequently us out beyond belief.

I dream of a lawsuit where I have experts on OCD and how to deal with

OCD in the classroom to show them just how cruel they were even if it was

inadvertent. My daughter will always have to live with this humiliation for

the rest of her life and we are all suffering for it. Someday, somehow I

will speak out.

Mamimiz

[Guest guest]

HI Jay:

I am so sorry for your anguish about this vice principal and her approach

to your daughter. However you have been able to definitely identify a

major road block in the path to your daughter's success at school.

I don't know how it works in your school district but here vice-principals

are shuffled around to different schools like a deck of cards at a poker

tournament. What about going directly to the principal and showing her

your email post to this list? It would be a very good idea to have someone

from protection and advocacy come along to the meeting with the principal

to support you.

Another approach you might find helpful is to call your daughter's

psychologist/therapist and ask them to come to a meeting with the principal

and explain how the school can help your daughter get the free and

appropriate public education that she is legally entitled to.

You would be doing the school a favor to bring to their attention an

administrator who sounds like she is violating your daughter's civil

rights, let alone acting in an inhumane/immoral way with a child who needs

help.

I have learned a lot about how schools try to get rid of their " problem

kids " this way. This is what happened to the boy who shot my older son

(and five other kids at school over a period of two days) with a BB gun. I

have asked the school and the courts to help this boy but they just treat

me as if I am nuts. His parents will not speak to me except through their

attorney who lies to me through her teeth. UGGGHHHH! The school is

relieved that they could expel him from school and he becomes another

agency's problem.

Here we have home hospital tutoring for kids who are not well enough to go

to school. Perhaps there is a similar program which comes out of the

school's budget that you can put your daughter on until they have decided

what to do about this vice-principal. That should be incentive for them to

take action. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

At 11:34 PM 04/12/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>I just found something out today from a friend, that is really ripping me

up.

> My friend attended a disciplinary and IDEA conference in town here, and it

>so happened, noticed that my daughter's vice principal was there. I have

had

>many many problems with this lady, who believes my daughter is " bad " and

>needs correction and regardless of the IEP and doctor's and psychologist's

>statements, refuses to acknowledge that any of her negative behavior is

>related to the Tourette Syndrome, OCD, or ADHD. <sigh>

>

>Heres the part that is tearing me apart. The vice principal brought up in

>one of the sessions, my daughter!!! and then asked the presenter how she

>could expel my child before the 10 days of suspensions (she has already

>managed to suspend Leigh for 7 days this school year). So now her motives

>are quite clear to me. So how do I put a stop to this? How do I send Leigh

>back to school Monday with a clear conscious with this evil witch lying in

>wait to do her harm? I guess I could request an IEP review, but would it

>really help? I have asked the VP since September for a tourette syndrome

>inservice. She has yet to comply and here it is half way through April. I

>am not sure how to get around this lady. If not for my friend being at the

>conference, I would never have known she stated out loud that she wants my

>daughter expelled.

>

>Help!

>Jay in Colorado

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

When it was time for Brook to go to preschool we ran into a lot of

problems with his placement. Basically the school cannot tell you that your

child must attend a certain school. The placement has to be appropriate and

meet your child's needs etc. In our case we felt that the placement that

they wanted for him was a very bad fit for him and we called and wrote

letters that quoted the laws regarding placement. The school administrators

backed down once they knew that we knew what we were talking about. The

results were that he was placed in a different program and that the other

program made a lot of much needed improvements, due to our complaints or

recommendations. Then a few months later an entire new program was created

which is what we had been demanding and he attended the new program.

I would recommend getting together with the other parents and coming up

with what you want the program to be like, reading all you can about what the

law requires regarding placement and then write a letter to the director of

special ed making your case about what type of program would be appropriate

for your child.

Marisa

[Guest guest]

Was Ian alone in the elevator?

~MJ

In a message dated 1/25/2005 4:05:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

Ian is only 7 and in the first grade. The elevator broke down

yesterday when he was in it. When it moved it took them back down

to the first floor (thank god). My son was freezing in the

elevator, scared and this was broke down for a while. A while to a

first grader could mean lots of things. No one at the school will

give me a time though. Hell, they won't even call me to let me

know. Ian was upset because I never came up to save him, or help

him. I cried and told him the truth, I didn't know untill you told

me. They Never called me. I asked the principal about it today and

she said they don't have time to call me every time something

happens to the elevator. Bull I am not going to be told that so I

called the head guy of CSE and told him that Ian will not return to

that school untill they can prove to me he will be safe and they

have time to pick up the phone to let me know what is going on with

my child.

I am trying to have him moved to the other school that does not have

stairs so there is no worry about the elevator. I am waiting to see

what is going to go on there. I am not going to have my son locked

in a freezing cold elevator to freeze to death. Ian doesn't want to

go that is how scared he is. If they would think more of these

children then what they learn maybe they would understand why I am

so mad. The principal thinks I am out of hand and that keeping Ian

home today will be an illegal abcence, oh well is what I said. My

childs safety is most important to me and if you had the right sence

of mind it would be yours too. Sometimes I feel he is too much for

the school to deal with, and over all he doesn't need much more care

than the other kids. Just needs to be watched over and made sure

safety issues are taken care of as soon as they come up.

I guess I just wrote all this, and have no idea if it made any sence

to you guys, but I am mad. If anyone thinks I am wrong then please

let me know your opinion. Alot of you have already been through the

school systems and fought what ever you needed too. This is all

just getting harder and harder each year since he has been in pre

school. I am so mad I have a huge headache now, and well Ian is

happy and safe playing lincoln logs with his little brother at

home. He does need the education though, I know that. He wants to

be a fireman and a cowboy when he grows up!!! He is a smart cookie

and can be something good I know that.

thank you all for reading listening and hopefully getting some sence

of this.

Missy

[Guest guest]

Missy, I don't think you are over-reacting. It's crazy for the principal to

threaten you with an illegal absence. If the school board won't help maybe you

could write a letter to a local newspaper or contact a local disability rights

group? Just an idea. Good luck!

Tom

-------------- Original message --------------

Ian is only 7 and in the first grade. The elevator broke down

yesterday when he was in it. When it moved it took them back down

to the first floor (thank god). My son was freezing in the

elevator, scared and this was broke down for a while. A while to a

first grader could mean lots of things. No one at the school will

give me a time though. Hell, they won't even call me to let me

know. Ian was upset because I never came up to save him, or help

him. I cried and told him the truth, I didn't know untill you told

me. They Never called me. I asked the principal about it today and

she said they don't have time to call me every time something

happens to the elevator. Bull I am not going to be told that so I

called the head guy of CSE and told him that Ian will not return to

that school untill they can prove to me he will be safe and they

have time to pick up the phone to let me know what is going on with

my child.

I am trying to have him moved to the other school that does not have

stairs so there is no worry about the elevator. I am waiting to see

what is going to go on there. I am not going to have my son locked

in a freezing cold elevator to freeze to death. Ian doesn't want to

go that is how scared he is. If they would think more of these

children then what they learn maybe they would understand why I am

so mad. The principal thinks I am out of hand and that keeping Ian

home today will be an illegal abcence, oh well is what I said. My

childs safety is most important to me and if you had the right sence

of mind it would be yours too. Sometimes I feel he is too much for

the school to deal with, and over all he doesn't need much more care

than the other kids. Just needs to be watched over and made sure

safety issues are taken care of as soon as they come up.

I guess I just wrote all this, and have no idea if it made any sence

to you guys, but I am mad. If anyone thinks I am wrong then please

let me know your opinion. Alot of you have already been through the

school systems and fought what ever you needed too. This is all

just getting harder and harder each year since he has been in pre

school. I am so mad I have a huge headache now, and well Ian is

happy and safe playing lincoln logs with his little brother at

home. He does need the education though, I know that. He wants to

be a fireman and a cowboy when he grows up!!! He is a smart cookie

and can be something good I know that.

thank you all for reading listening and hopefully getting some sence

of this.

Missy

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[Guest guest]

hi missy,

i remember those same safety battles my mom fought for me in the

70's. keep up the good work. here's a resource that could be helpful if

you need it: http://www.taalliance.org/centers/index.htm

alana

[Guest guest]

I believe your son's school has a lot to answer for in their treatment of him.

It is one thing to be an able bodied person trapped in a lift, yet it would be

far more traumatic for Ian as a 7 year old with a disability to be trapped with

no means of being able to remedy the situation.

I can only admire Ian’s ambition to be a fireman and a cowboy. I was diagnosed

type III at age 14 1/5 and I have been a volunteer fireman and several other

careers in my 47 years. There is nothing worse than the feeling of helplessness

that comes with disability when the weakness associated with SMA is

overwhelming. However, occassionaly SMA’s can rise above the hurdles that are

placed in our path and prove the world wrong.

The principal of the school has no concept of the psychological impact of being

trapped in a lift on a child with SMA or other disability. The school and the

principal owe all children, including Ian a " duty of care " . It would appear that

this extends only as far as if Ian were able bodied. They need a poke in the eye

with a sharp stick to remind them that persons with disabilities have rights

too, and that ambulance-chasing lawyers are plentiful. Find Ian another school

that cares and will agree in writing to call you for pre-defined situations. In

addition, you should actively seek to have a buddy system in place with Ian so

that he is never alone in something like the lift incident again.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

, I am so sorry you have to go through this. It's my worst fear for next year when he hits middle school (my son's in 5th this year). His teacher is just as concerned as I am.

Is Mike on any medication? Does he have a psychiatrist in addition to the therapist?? If he's trying to harm himself someone has to do something. Make sure the therapist knows that he's doing this and if they can't or won't do anything to help, get someone who can.

From what I have seen and heard from other parents and professionals things get so much worse in this 12-13 age group of kids with emotional issues. Hormones can reap some real trouble with emotions and past medication effectiveness.

I worry about this with my 11 year old DS because already now he's saying he hates himself at school in front of the other kids (which they obviously view as weird). They played a game in class a few weeks ago where they had to pick a topic and the other kids had to find descriptive words about that topic, well picked "himself" and it was NOT a good thing.

Hang in there, I hope that someone can help him.

-Charlotte

school problems

I had posted last week about my step-sons behavior in school, and wanted to let you know what they said at his IEP meeting. Two of the teachers have actually went to Aspergers seminars, so they understand some of what Mike's behaviors. His speech and language teacher has been with him since 4th grade, (he's in 6th now) and noticed that this has been a bad year for him. More sounds, shutting down, more behavioral problems. They thought that if he can turn in his work each day, he'd receive a reward, which was listening to his favorite books on tape. He seemed excited about this, but didnt get the reward on Friday and got upset. He took scissors, put them to his head and when the teacher screamed he said he wanted to cut his hair and be bald because he hated himself. The teacher was concerned because this was the second time he's used scissors when angry. It seemed that the acting out was only happening as school, but tonight he kept annoying his sister and I told him to stop. A few minutes later his sister yelled at him, he was choking himself and his face was red. What do I do? He says he did it because he was angry, I'm really getting worried about him. I'm calling his therapist on Mon., but even she doesnt seem to be getting through to him anymore. I'm at a loss. Thanks for listening,

[Guest guest]

school

problems

I had posted last week about my step-sons behavior

in school,

He

took scissors, put them to his head and

when the teacher screamed he said he wanted to cut his hair and be

bald because he hated himself. The teacher was

concerned because this

was the second time he's used scissors when angry.

It seemed that the

acting out was only happening as school, but

tonight he kept annoying

his sister and I told him to stop. A few minutes

later his sister

yelled at him, he was choking himself and his face

was red. What do I

do? He says he did it because he was angry, I'm

really getting

worried about him. I'm calling his therapist on

Mon., but even she

doesnt seem to be getting through to him anymore.

I'm at a loss.

Thanks for listening,

, as you already know this is very

serious. In my opinion the Therapist needs to refer him to a Psychiatrist. He

should be seen ASAP and they do have slots that they leave open. I feel he

needs some type of medication. When you see a pattern like this it only gets

worse. I would make it clear he needs to see a Psy. in

the next couple of weeks this is a sad and very serious situation. Good luck,

Gail

[Guest guest]

Just got off the phone with Maia's charter school we are enrolled for next year.

It appears they have never had to deal with non-vaccinated kids before and will

check with their lawyers to see if that is allowed and will get back to me.

There is another family who also does not vax entering the school so I don't

feel as nervous. My sister told me not to worry because it is the law that

Philadelphia public and charter schools allow non-vax kids, but it's hard not

to. It drives me crazy because even their medical forms have a check box for

religious exemptions. Wish me luck.

For those we have had to deal with this before, should I try to find a lawyer or

just wait and see what they say.

They also require a TB test so my doc is supposed to get back to me about where

they offer the blood test instead of the skin test. He only does the skin

tests. I know there are 2 labs within a few hours of Philly that process the

test so I know someone must offer it around here. Does anyone know?

This school stuff is a killer. Can't believe I will have to go through this

again in a few years with my son. At least it shouldn't be as difficult with

him unless they change the laws.

[Guest guest]

,

I would just print out a copy of your State's statute and present it to them

assertively.  Tell them THIS IS the law and surely your attorney is aware of

it.  period.  Place the burden on them to show you differently  IN

WRITING.    

As you said they have not had to deal with this situation before and are just

following procedure.  YOU must be the one to show them its your constitutional

right to use the exemption.  If they receive public funding (which they do)

they cannot overide that.

Do not be afraid... its your right.   Demand it.

Keep us posted.

Ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

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Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:10:25 AM

Subject: school problems

Just got off the phone with Maia's charter school we are enrolled for next year.

It appears they have never had to deal with non-vaccinated kids before and will

check with their lawyers to see if that is allowed and will get back to me.

There is another family who also does not vax entering the school so I don't

feel as nervous. My sister told me not to worry because it is the law that

Philadelphia public and charter schools allow non-vax kids, but it's hard not

to. It drives me crazy because even their medical forms have a check box for

religious exemptions. Wish me luck.

For those we have had to deal with this before, should I try to find a lawyer or

just wait and see what they say.

They also require a TB test so my doc is supposed to get back to me about where

they offer the blood test instead of the skin test. He only does the skin tests.

I know there are 2 labs within a few hours of Philly that process the test so I

know someone must offer it around here. Does anyone know?

This school stuff is a killer. Can't believe I will have to go through this

again in a few years with my son. At least it shouldn't be as difficult with him

unless they change the laws.

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, National Institutes of Health

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was believed...When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the

masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its

speaker, a raving lunatic. " Dresden

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