Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 How about telling her vaccines " just don't work " . Really. Imo- they don't. Then I'd say- " you have your religion- and I have mine " . And leave it at that. I get so sick of people defending vaccines. And yet NOBODY has walked in a doctor's office and shot themselves up with the 36 doses (that children get). I bet they are scared. If THAT mom on face book thinks the ingredients are safe enough- then I wish her children well...they will need it. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed How to respond? I'm pasting in a response from the Facebook Circle of Moms thread that was interesting and I wasn't sure how to respond. I had posted my concerns with the ingredients in vaccines like animal tissue, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc. and this is the answer I got. " No, I don't worry about the ingredients in vaccines. A few examples.... Since viruses need living cells to grow, I'm not surprised that they use animal products in the manufacturing process. But those animal products are filtered out, so they're not actually part of the vaccine. It is a bit like saying that apple juice contains trees. Formaldehyde? Already in the body naturally. The dose makes the poison. Aluminum salts have been in the vaccines for nearly a century, so I don't see any relation there with ADD/allergies/whatever. Let's talk rotavirus - the vaccine has about 10^6 infectious units per dose, but a child with rotavirus expels about 10^11 infection units per mL of stool! Considering how common rotavirus is, I'd say that by vaccinating I'm ensuring less foreign materials are in my baby's body. " I have such a hard time responding with confidence sometimes...in my heart and my gut, I know that not vaccinating is right and okay. But that's not enough to answer questions like this...and I'd like to be able to answer. Any thoughts? For the record, this woman has been very calm and nice to chat with, not attacking at all, we're just presenting arguments back and forth. Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I would just tell her that it seems she's comfortable with injecting her children with these ingredients so do it. I'm not, especially when each and every vaccine carries the risk of death--something I'm trying to avoid. Winnie How to respond? Vaccinations > I'm pasting in a response from the Facebook Circle of Moms > thread that was interesting and I wasn't sure how to respond. I > had posted my concerns with the ingredients in vaccines like > animal tissue, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc. and this is the > answer I got. > > > " No, I don't worry about the ingredients in vaccines. A few > examples.... Since viruses need living cells to grow, I'm not > surprised that they use animal products in the manufacturing > process. But those animal products are filtered out, so they're > not actually part of the vaccine. It is a bit like saying that > apple juice contains trees. Formaldehyde? Already in the body > naturally. The dose makes the poison. Aluminum salts have been > in the vaccines for nearly a century, so I don't see any > relation there with ADD/allergies/whatever. Let's talk rotavirus > - the vaccine has about 10^6 infectious units per dose, but a > child with rotavirus expels about 10^11 infection units per mL > of stool! Considering how common rotavirus is, I'd say that by > vaccinating I'm ensuring less foreign materials are in my baby's > body. " > I have such a hard time responding with confidence > sometimes...in my heart and my gut, I know that not vaccinating > is right and okay. But that's not enough to answer questions > like this...and I'd like to be able to answer. Any thoughts? For > the record, this woman has been very calm and nice to chat with, > not attacking at all, we're just presenting arguments back and > forth. > > Melinda C. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Yep..she obviously looks like she's done her research too and not just a sheeple. I personally don't understand how anyone who has done research can come to the conclusion that vaxxes are a good thing..but it's their kid and I certainly don't want their provax opinion forced on me so.. hard as it is to let go.. I would maybe say 'it looks like you've done your research but for me, I still can't inject these things into my child and risk death Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1 http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not necessarily current pictures http://nitasspot.blogspot.com Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Mention to that highly educated person that in Biology 101 so-called viruses don't eat so they can't grow. They are specks magnified 50 or 60 thousand times. In fact tell her viruses only exist in the minds of those who have fooled the public into believing in them for a handsome profit. Tell her there is no such thing as a living virus. And that no so called disease producing virus has ever been isolated. tell her to provide proof that viruses cause disease and vaccines prevent disease.Tell her the whole virus theory is a fraud. Then give her the website of Dr. Lanka and recommend the book " Fear of the invisible " Tell her this, outside of all the medical mumbo jumbo and scientific nonsense injecting filtered disease kidney cells fortified with all those poisons just can't promote health. Tell her common sense dictates that none of these ingredients can be used to make flesh, blood and bone. They are enemies to the body and the innate intelligence of the body will do everything in its power to eliminate those poisons. Ask her about mixture 199. Ask her how 60+ poisons like penicillin is good for a body. Tell her that the concept of taking a little poison instead of a lot of poison doesn't hold water. poison is poison no matter what the dose. And the poison just might accumulate. Apple juice contains trees. Sounds like she just came out of a tree. Whatever is in the body naturally was put there with a far greater intelligence than man/women kind. She hits the nail on the head when she taks about virus in stools, Tell her stools are the effect of cause. it is waste being eliminated because the body has no use for it. To conclude that waste material is the cause of disease is simply wrong. Unless of course a " scientist " takes the stool and mixes it with more poison and injects it into the brain of a monkey. Then I would certainly believe their virus(poison) would cause discomfort or worse. Which is exactly what these crazy scientists do. In fact ask her how many stool samples she has personally examined. If she gives you a number, put her in touch with me. I have a few questions for her.. Jim Healthologist Certified in CS not BS ________________________________ From: spanishmiss430 <spanishmiss430@...> Vaccinations Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:51:20 PM Subject: How to respond? I'm pasting in a response from the Facebook Circle of Moms thread that was interesting and I wasn't sure how to respond. I had posted my concerns with the ingredients in vaccines like animal tissue, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc. and this is the answer I got. " No, I don't worry about the ingredients in vaccines. A few examples.... Since viruses need living cells to grow, I'm not surprised that they use animal products in the manufacturing process. But those animal products are filtered out, so they're not actually part of the vaccine. It is a bit like saying that apple juice contains trees. Formaldehyde? Already in the body naturally. The dose makes the poison. Aluminum salts have been in the vaccines for nearly a century, so I don't see any relation there with ADD/allergies/ whatever. Let's talk rotavirus - the vaccine has about 10^6 infectious units per dose, but a child with rotavirus expels about 10^11 infection units per mL of stool! Considering how common rotavirus is, I'd say that by vaccinating I'm ensuring less foreign materials are in my baby's body. " I have such a hard time responding with confidence sometimes... in my heart and my gut, I know that not vaccinating is right and okay. But that's not enough to answer questions like this...and I'd like to be able to answer. Any thoughts? For the record, this woman has been very calm and nice to chat with, not attacking at all, we're just presenting arguments back and forth. Melinda C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 That's AWESOME Jim!! I think I need to take a step back from that stupid place...LOL! I'm getting to angry and worked up...and then I think I'm coming across as mean in certain posts and that is the last kind of person I want to portray myself as...because I genuinly care about other children. There are just SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE in the world..ah. One person wants to know how to get their 1 month old to sleep thru the night....*slaps head* You have GOT to be kidding me!? Definitely need to take a step back. > > Mention to that highly educated person that in Biology 101 so-called viruses don't eat so they can't grow. They are specks magnified 50 or 60 thousand times. In fact tell her viruses only exist in the minds of those who have fooled the public into believing in them for a handsome profit. Tell her there is no such thing as a living virus. And that no so called disease producing virus has ever been isolated. tell her to provide proof that viruses cause disease and vaccines prevent disease.Tell her the whole virus theory is a fraud. > Then give her the website of Dr. Lanka and recommend the book " Fear of the invisible " > > Tell her this, outside of all the medical mumbo jumbo and scientific nonsense injecting filtered disease kidney cells fortified with all those poisons just can't promote health. Tell her common sense dictates that none of these ingredients can be used to make flesh, blood and bone. They are enemies to the body and the innate intelligence of the body will do everything in its power to eliminate those poisons. Ask her about mixture 199. Ask her how 60+ poisons like penicillin is good for a body. > > Tell her that the concept of taking a little poison instead of a lot of poison doesn't hold water. poison is poison no matter what the dose. And the poison just might accumulate. > Apple juice contains trees. Sounds like she just came out of a tree. > Whatever is in the body naturally was put there with a far greater intelligence than man/women kind. > > She hits the nail on the head when she taks about virus in stools, Tell her stools are the effect of cause. > it is waste being eliminated because the body has no use for it. To conclude that waste material is the cause of disease is simply wrong. Unless of course a " scientist " takes the stool and mixes it with more poison and injects it into the brain of a monkey. Then I would certainly believe their virus(poison) would cause discomfort or worse. Which is exactly what these crazy scientists do. > > In fact ask her how many stool samples she has personally examined. If she gives you a number, put her in touch with me. I have a few questions for her.. > > Jim > > Healthologist > > Certified in CS not BS > > > > > ________________________________ > From: spanishmiss430 <spanishmiss430@...> > Vaccinations > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:51:20 PM > Subject: How to respond? > > > > > > I'm pasting in a response from the Facebook Circle of Moms thread that was interesting and I wasn't sure how to respond. I had posted my concerns with the ingredients in vaccines like animal tissue, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc. and this is the answer I got. > > " No, I don't worry about the ingredients in vaccines. A few examples.... Since viruses need living cells to grow, I'm not surprised that they use animal products in the manufacturing process. But those animal products are filtered out, so they're not actually part of the vaccine. It is a bit like saying that apple juice contains trees. Formaldehyde? Already in the body naturally. The dose makes the poison. Aluminum salts have been in the vaccines for nearly a century, so I don't see any relation there with ADD/allergies/ whatever. Let's talk rotavirus - the vaccine has about 10^6 infectious units per dose, but a child with rotavirus expels about 10^11 infection units per mL of stool! Considering how common rotavirus is, I'd say that by vaccinating I'm ensuring less foreign materials are in my baby's body. " > > I have such a hard time responding with confidence sometimes... in my heart and my gut, I know that not vaccinating is right and okay. But that's not enough to answer questions like this...and I'd like to be able to answer. Any thoughts? For the record, this woman has been very calm and nice to chat with, not attacking at all, we're just presenting arguments back and forth. > > Melinda C. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Melinda, next time someone puts figures up like that, ask them for their references and links. If you noticed on the other vaccination thread on circle of moms, I have been sytematically putting up links after links to show why the pertussis vaccine is a total dud and she has very little to refute my links. Also in the thread where she talks about the rotavirus vax, I have asked her to show us the links. I have also asked her about blood brain barrier, serotype replacement etc and she has offered very little. Clearly we are making a point but she's done her homework too. I think putting up links makes a huge point. Don't worry about her. It is frustrating sometimes but don't worry. We are doing the right thing. Deepali > > Mention to that highly educated person that in Biology 101 so-called viruses don't eat so they can't grow. They are specks magnified 50 or 60 thousand times. In fact tell her viruses only exist in the minds of those who have fooled the public into believing in them for a handsome profit. Tell her there is no such thing as a living virus. And that no so called disease producing virus has ever been isolated. tell her to provide proof that viruses cause disease and vaccines prevent disease.Tell her the whole virus theory is a fraud. > Then give her the website of Dr. Lanka and recommend the book " Fear of the invisible " > > Tell her this, outside of all the medical mumbo jumbo and scientific nonsense injecting filtered disease kidney cells fortified with all those poisons just can't promote health. Tell her common sense dictates that none of these ingredients can be used to make flesh, blood and bone. They are enemies to the body and the innate intelligence of the body will do everything in its power to eliminate those poisons. Ask her about mixture 199. Ask her how 60+ poisons like penicillin is good for a body. > > Tell her that the concept of taking a little poison instead of a lot of poison doesn't hold water. poison is poison no matter what the dose. And the poison just might accumulate. > Apple juice contains trees. Sounds like she just came out of a tree. > Whatever is in the body naturally was put there with a far greater intelligence than man/women kind. > > She hits the nail on the head when she taks about virus in stools, Tell her stools are the effect of cause. > it is waste being eliminated because the body has no use for it. To conclude that waste material is the cause of disease is simply wrong. Unless of course a " scientist " takes the stool and mixes it with more poison and injects it into the brain of a monkey. Then I would certainly believe their virus(poison) would cause discomfort or worse. Which is exactly what these crazy scientists do. > > In fact ask her how many stool samples she has personally examined. If she gives you a number, put her in touch with me. I have a few questions for her.. > > Jim > > Healthologist > > Certified in CS not BS > > > > > ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 > > Jim, > > My grandfather is 87. He'll be 88 this summer. He smoked up until he was around 21 then quit. He almost never drinks. He eats fresh food several times a week and keeps a garden in the right seasons and eats from that. He takes vitamins daily, a lot, but not prescriptions. Just wanted to mention that my grandfather died a few month shy of 88 in Ukraine. He smoked heavily up until the end and drank alcohol(wines & beer)Did not see doctors much because in Ukraine you need to pay for medicine out of pocket(no health insurance like here)He loved meat and fat, eggs. Did not eat much fruit or veggies. He used to say that he is not a rabbit but a human being :)That was his excuse for not eating much greens. Go figure! Katarina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 It's very true what Jim says about health and longevity. My mom hauls buckets of water at 70yo for her job in a flower shop, 4 hours a day most days - including all that flower arranging and stripping leaves (this is a LOT of hand work that is very sore on the hands/arms!). She plants and gardens and cuts her own 1/2 acre of grass herself every week. We only come to help in the Fall with the leaves, otherwise she does her own huge veggie garden and berry patch and until last year kept her own chickens. She shovels out her own driveway when it snows. We live an hour away or she'd have more day-to-day help, but I think it wouldn't actually do her any good for us to butt in and do more of her chores for her, kwim? The teenagers at her job are always sitting down and complaining about how tired they are. ???!!! They're 18yo! Where is their stamina and energy? At that age I was literally out dancing all night into the wee morning hours and then up to go to a full day of working, to repeat the process. :-D We think it's in our genes that we have good health and stamina and energy. But there IS something to be said for good habits and habits you learn at home too (at least in our family). -Arlynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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