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Have him check out this site:

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/from_a_christian_view_point.htm

Ask him if he honestly believes you have your children's best interest at heart

and if he honestly believes he should be allowed to partake in this decision

with the amount of research he has done vs. how much you have done. Obviou8sly

you have done far more. My pastor said the other day that when it comes to

marriages....the people that are the best at whatever it is that needs to be

done are the ones to do it! He might be better at the budget than you, so he

should do the budget. You are better at researching the children's medical

care, so therefore most of the decisions are probably best left to you! Of

course he can have an opinion, but you do not want to let his fear of his kids

getting taken away dictate whether your children get vaccines or not.

I really think you will be fine if you stick to the issue at hand and don't even

mention anything about vaccines. Let them ask the questions and give very brief

yet complete answers!

Good luck!

Tara

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> I know I read somewhere that some religion had stated in its dictates that

> they would be supporting an anti-vaccine platform.. but can't remember when

> or where I read that. I do believe it was in the last year.

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> See my husband's blood veins pop if I told him I was defecting.. but then

> maybe he'd take my anti-vax seriously.

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> He's offended that b/c he stated he did some research and still thinks

> they're OK that I responded with 'you didn't do sufficient " . he got all

> hissy about that but really. I honestly don't see how anyone can do any

> amount of good research and walk away saying 'yeah, let's do vaccines " .. I

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> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

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Most of them are listed on this discussion:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/archive/index.php/t-402196.html

HTH

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> I know I read somewhere that some religion had stated in its dictates that

> they would be supporting an anti-vaccine platform.. but can't remember when

> or where I read that. I do believe it was in the last year.

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>

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> See my husband's blood veins pop if I told him I was defecting.. but then

> maybe he'd take my anti-vax seriously.

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>

>

> He's offended that b/c he stated he did some research and still thinks

> they're OK that I responded with 'you didn't do sufficient " . he got all

> hissy about that but really. I honestly don't see how anyone can do any

> amount of good research and walk away saying 'yeah, let's do vaccines " .. I

> just don't see it.

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> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

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> If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it

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> too slowly

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www.childrenofgod.org is an ultra-conservative Catholic pro-life group that

opposes vaccines because of human tissue from aborted fetus (so disgusting

that we shoot up our babes with that). Officially, this is a prudential

issue for all Catholics, meaning it's one of those things left to your

conscience. So you can in good conscience claim a religious exemption if

you're Catholic, to answer your question. Most Catholic teachings on

vaccines will stress the " greater good, " but I know many, many Catholic

families who do not vaccinate for the reasons of life and the " sanctity of

human blood " (there's apparently a whole book on vaccines by that title,

though I know nothing about it). Most of us though wind up here after we've

had a kid or two screwed up by them. And I'm suddenly reminded of the

parable of the lost sheep, when Jesus said He would leave the flock to find

out the one that was lost. That's hardly herd mentality! All that other

garbage is just the icing on the sick cake.

God bless,

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If you stipulate the aborted foetal cell lines you are limiting your own

objection to just those vaccines.  Don't give a reason  other than it is against

your religious beliefs. Check what your state requires. I don't think any tell

you that you have to explain your religious belief. Some officials may try to

make you think that you do, hence you must find out the wording of the law so

that you can educate those who would obfuscate.

The NT reference is to consuming blood and food that has been sacrificed to

idols. I believe the 2 foetuses sacrificed in the sixties to provide the vaccine

cell lines, were sacrificed to Mammon. I also believe that if I am to refrain

from eating these things, then I'd better not inject them either.

The book by Tim O'Shea is called The Sanctity of Human Blood available here..

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/book12/sanctity-of-human-blood-vaccination-is-not\

-immunization.htm

I haven't read it, but the info on his site will give you an idea if it's a

religious reference or not. The Christian reference is to the life being in the

blood.

I believe Christian Scientists are ant-vax as part of their doctrine.

However there is a group

http://www.christianhealthfellowship.com/secondary/whoweare.html

that may be able to help those whose churches promote vaccination.

Love,

Mara

From: & Barron <lotsofbarrons@...>

Subject: Re: what religion does support non-vax

Vaccinations

Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 10:19 PM

www.childrenofgod.org is an ultra-conservative Catholic pro-life group that

opposes vaccines because of human tissue from aborted fetus (so disgusting

that we shoot up our babes with that).  Officially, this is a prudential

issue for all Catholics, meaning it's one of those things left to your

conscience.  So you can in good conscience claim a religious exemption if

you're Catholic, to answer your question.  Most Catholic teachings on

vaccines will stress the " greater good, " but I know many, many Catholic

families who do not vaccinate for the reasons of life and the " sanctity of

human blood " (there's apparently a whole book on vaccines by that title,

though I know nothing about it).  Most of us though wind up here after we've

had a kid or two screwed up by them.  And I'm suddenly reminded of the

parable of the lost sheep, when Jesus said He would leave the flock to find

out the one that was lost.  That's hardly herd mentality!  All that other

garbage is just the icing on the sick cake.

God bless,

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I thought you homeschooled. No?

Winnie

what religion does support non-vax

Vaccinations

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> I know I read somewhere that some religion had stated in its

> dictates that

> they would be supporting an anti-vaccine platform.. but can't

> remember when

> or where I read that. I do believe it was in the last year.

>

>

>

> See my husband's blood veins pop if I told him I was defecting..

> but then

> maybe he'd take my anti-vax seriously.

>

>

>

> He's offended that b/c he stated he did some research and still thinks

> they're OK that I responded with 'you didn't do sufficient " . he

> got all

> hissy about that but really. I honestly don't see how anyone can

> do any

> amount of good research and walk away saying 'yeah, let's do

> vaccines " .. I

> just don't see it.

>

>

>

> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

> If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're

> eating it

>

> too slowly

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Yes we homeschool. I'm hoping that also doesn't come under the microscope.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

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I don't know about the kill them with kindness act, probably because it's not in

my nature. I think you can maybe smile and thank them for their concern but if

they get pushy, it's time to get firm. Tell her that you're doing nothing

illegal and you don't like the implication that you are, and if there's nothing

else, you have children to attend to--which, after all, is what they want you to

do.

Maybe it's time to move if you feel you are living on borrowed time with your

parenting choices. Easier said than done, I know.

Stay strong!

Winnie

RE: what religion does support non-vax

Vaccinations

> Yes we homeschool. I'm hoping that also doesn't come under the

> microscope.

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> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12,

> 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live

> long enough

> to make them all yourself.

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I am of the same opinion. she can only ask so much. where is it written she can

ask and do anything? i don't think so. the house is almost perfect. we've been

very busy around here, my back is about dead and i have still to do the storage

room and have to go grocery shopping. probably should do that before it gets too

nasty hot.

got a 2nd opinion in writing on david's teeth that a " watch and see " approach

is good. and am going to change dentists too. i liked this guy. he listened to

me. how many times did I say to my other dentist, to both partners, that i did

not want to cap them?..and still, at check out, so do you want to give us the

down payment now in cash or check?..and i'm like 'i'm not giving the down

payment. i'm not making the appointment yet. " .. wanting to scream at them YOU " RE

NOT LISTENING!!! i don't think they called DHR though.

Little Tree (david's preschool) said they would tell me first if they were about

to report me. it must have been someone from church then. that's the only place

we go.. yk? preschool consumes so much of my week and my friend's that are

friends would ask me.

dh and I have agreed that we will let the kids decide for themselves if they

want to be vaxxed when they hit age 18 and are adults and i can give them all my

infomation i have and they can read it and make their own decision.

computer is having problems too so i have to read and do mail from the web.

nita

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Why would the preschool report you for anything, and why would they tell you

they would notify you first??

Glad to hear you got a sane, second opinion. Sounds as if you are covered there.

But I have a question: how did the person who came to investigate know about the

teeth if the dentist didn't call them?

Winnie

Re: RE: what religion does support non-vax

Vaccinations

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> I am of the same opinion. she can only ask so much. where is it

> written she can ask and do anything? i don't think so. the

> house is almost perfect. we've been very busy around here, my

> back is about dead and i have still to do the storage room and

> have to go grocery shopping. probably should do that before it

> gets too nasty hot.

>

> got a 2nd opinion in writing on david's teeth that a " watch and

> see " approach is good. and am going to change dentists too. i

> liked this guy. he listened to me. how many times did I say to

> my other dentist, to both partners, that i did not want to cap

> them?..and still, at check out, so do you want to give us the

> down payment now in cash or check?..and i'm like 'i'm not giving

> the down payment. i'm not making the appointment yet. " .. wanting

> to scream at them YOU " RE NOT LISTENING!!! i don't think they

> called DHR though.

>

> Little Tree (david's preschool) said they would tell me first if

> they were about to report me. it must have been someone from

> church then. that's the only place we go.. yk? preschool

> consumes so much of my week and my friend's that are friends

> would ask me.

>

> dh and I have agreed that we will let the kids decide for

> themselves if they want to be vaxxed when they hit age 18 and

> are adults and i can give them all my infomation i have and they

> can read it and make their own decision.

>

> computer is having problems too so i have to read and do mail

> from the web.

>

> nita

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