RE: DHR and vaccines

[Guest guest]

My heart goes out to you as something similar happened to us.

How old is the child with the rotted teeth?

They got called on me when my DD was 9 months because we don't vax, i didn't

want to sign the APA form, and I don't believe in feeding solids before there

are teeth to break down the food....

Long story short....the case got dropped as soon as it was opened. I had a

second opinion as the first doctor said my daughter was failure to thrive (she

wasn't) and we explained that have an exemption for vaccines. That didn't even

become an issue.

If you have an exemption form, that shouldn't any issue at all. That is NOT the

reason they are there. Keep the issue to the teeth and let it stick to that.

Share as little information as you can. Clean the house and make super healthy

food that day (not that you don't normally!) and be friendly and you really

shouldn't have a problem.

But again....keep the issue the teeth. Who called them on you? Your doctor?

Obviously..get a new doctor! Do you know what is " wrong " with his teeth? Know

that you are in our thoughts and prayers!!

Tara

>

>

>

> I got a visit from DHR. Someone didn't like 's baby-bottle rot top 4

> teeth. even though it's not bottle rot b/c he never had one. so she came to

> do a home visit, make sure we're taking david to the dentist. She asked

> about all the children. She asked their ages. She asked if they were up to

> date on their immunizations. (G**I hate that word!!) I told her I had an

> exemption.

>

>

>

> She caught me just driving in from Auburn. my first thought was " they're

> that desperate for workers? " b/c of the human resources part. I told her it

> seemed rather silly when the state is this strapped for money to come worry

> about some baby teeth.. anyway. I had 2 kids at camp and so she is coming

> back this Thursday.

>

>

>

> We'll have the shelves stocked, the house cleaned, the kids cleaned. Dh is

> about to roll over and wants to get the kids their shots now though so they

> don't have any further excuse to come back. " if it's b/t shots and having my

> kids taken away from me, I'll get the shots "

>

>

>

> I am hoping it does not come to that and I don't have to pick b/c either

> path is not one I want to go down. Of course since I don't immediately stand

> up and want to go shoot 'em up he's mad at me.

>

>

>

> Can they really demand shots or take away my kids? dh says they won't call

> it that. they'll make up some other excuse.

>

>

>

> He says my religious argument d/n hold water and I don't have a leg to stand

> on since our religion does not prohibit shots. That is private though isn't

> it? the state can't demand to know what religion I am just b/c I have a

> religious exemption can they? Our bishop said I can't tell them any of their

> questions are none of their business. I should answer everything openly and

> " kill them with kindness " .. don't volunteer but be open. Don't give them

> anywhere to go.

>

>

>

> I am soooo stressed right now. I'd rather shoot myself really than shoot up

> my kids and I really have no idea what I'll think of my husband if this is

> forced and we have to go shoot them up.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

> If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it

>

> too slowly

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know who called on us. will keep this email and try not to panic. I

refuse to jump through hoops but I don't want my kids taken from me either

b/c that is a whole new set of trauma too. the dentist wants to cap his

teeth. it's the 3 y.o.-the one with autism. I don't want to cap baby teeth

and I can't afford it either.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

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necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Where do you live? Can you find a " holistic " dentist in your area that you can

explain the situation to who might even see you as a second opinion for free or

something? Capping baby teeth seems ridiculous..he's just going to lose them

soon anyway.

I just read an article about this too. I'll try to find it. Do a search on

capping baby teeth and print it out and be ready and explain that you have done

your research and feel that this is not something you want to do if that is what

you guys choose.

The issue is the 3 year old's teeth. That is it. Not with any of the other

children at all. Keep the issue as the teeth and then nothing else can be

brought up for the most part.

Did you just recently go to the dentist? It was an anonymous call then?

When this is done and over with, you have the legal right to get all the

paperwork from the " investigation " . I did. They will black the names out but I

knew who called for me.

I know you're scared and nervous; it was one of the worst times in my life for

that week that our investigation was taking place, but try to be confident in

your decisions and do not make decisions off of fear. If I had a lawyer i knew

I would have you talk to them just to know your legal rights.

Do you know any lawyers?

Anyone else know of any lawyers that could give some advice?

Hang in there and keep us updated!!!!!!!!

Tara

>

> I don't know who called on us. will keep this email and try not to panic. I

> refuse to jump through hoops but I don't want my kids taken from me either

> b/c that is a whole new set of trauma too. the dentist wants to cap his

> teeth. it's the 3 y.o.-the one with autism. I don't want to cap baby teeth

> and I can't afford it either.

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A friend recently had a dentist tell her she'd have to get several of her

3-year-old's teeth capped, etc, and it would require general anesthesia to do

so. She called her husband horribly distraught (plus, she was 8 months pregnant

at the time!), and he calmly reminded her that they're just baby teeth that'll

fall out, and that's really stupid unless they're causing problems. So, she

simply took him to another dentist who explained the " issues " and that they're

fine to do nothing right now, but there were a couple of grooves in his molars

they'd keep an eye on.

I think a new dentist would be a great idea just for the back-up confidence for

you right now. Otherwise, stick to your guns. You have done NOTHING wrong and

are NOT risking your children's health in anyway. Don't let them shake your

confidence any more than they already have.

>

> I don't know who called on us. will keep this email and try not to panic. I

> refuse to jump through hoops but I don't want my kids taken from me either

> b/c that is a whole new set of trauma too. the dentist wants to cap his

> teeth. it's the 3 y.o.-the one with autism. I don't want to cap baby teeth

> and I can't afford it either.

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the article I bet Tara is referring to. It was posted on the OT4VAX

group:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1195026/Ditch-drill-Filling-rotten-bab\

y-teeth-offers-benefits-say-experts.html

~Lanie

[Guest guest]

At this point, I have more internal strive from not vaxxing. Dh is all for

it and he's upset I got exemptions without talking to him first. I will

call another dentist today and see what they say.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

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necessarily current pictures

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to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

The comments following the article certainly don't help my case either! That

talked about filling though. the dentist wants to cap them.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

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to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

sealants and caps are 2 diff things

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[Guest guest]

You probably don't want to do anything I say, lol, because I'm so mad at those

people right now. I know too many people who have gotten visits for absolutely

no reason and I live in fear of someone calling on me for similar reasons -- not

vaxing, etc. Useless things.

If you can avoid the subject of vax entirely I would. If they insist on

discussing it, I'd have a copy of your state's laws and tell them that you are

perfectly within your rights to choose NOT to, and that if they vaccinate your

kids against your will (whatever excuse they would make up to take them) that

you WILL be pressing charges. No one else has the legal right to make that

decision for you! I have never faced this but if your state's laws clearly say

that you can choose an exemption (and you have) and someone tries to take that

right away from you, I think you can press charges...and you can sure try.

But, if you can just not discuss that I think you're fine. As for your

son's teeth, just tell her they are baby teeth, describe the care ritual and

show her his toothbrush, etc. make an appt. with a dentist and just discuss

follow-up care...everything else you're doing already sounds great.

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09...it's a BOY!

www.rctdiapers.webs.com

>

>

>

> I got a visit from DHR. Someone didn't like 's baby-bottle rot top 4

> teeth. even though it's not bottle rot b/c he never had one. so she came to

> do a home visit, make sure we're taking david to the dentist. She asked

> about all the children. She asked their ages. She asked if they were up to

> date on their immunizations. (G**I hate that word!!) I told her I had an

> exemption.

>

>

>

> She caught me just driving in from Auburn. my first thought was " they're

> that desperate for workers? " b/c of the human resources part. I told her it

> seemed rather silly when the state is this strapped for money to come worry

> about some baby teeth.. anyway. I had 2 kids at camp and so she is coming

> back this Thursday.

>

>

>

> We'll have the shelves stocked, the house cleaned, the kids cleaned. Dh is

> about to roll over and wants to get the kids their shots now though so they

> don't have any further excuse to come back. " if it's b/t shots and having my

> kids taken away from me, I'll get the shots "

>

>

>

> I am hoping it does not come to that and I don't have to pick b/c either

> path is not one I want to go down. Of course since I don't immediately stand

> up and want to go shoot 'em up he's mad at me.

>

>

>

> Can they really demand shots or take away my kids? dh says they won't call

> it that. they'll make up some other excuse.

>

>

>

> He says my religious argument d/n hold water and I don't have a leg to stand

> on since our religion does not prohibit shots. That is private though isn't

> it? the state can't demand to know what religion I am just b/c I have a

> religious exemption can they? Our bishop said I can't tell them any of their

> questions are none of their business. I should answer everything openly and

> " kill them with kindness " .. don't volunteer but be open. Don't give them

> anywhere to go.

>

>

>

> I am soooo stressed right now. I'd rather shoot myself really than shoot up

> my kids and I really have no idea what I'll think of my husband if this is

> forced and we have to go shoot them up.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

> If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it

>

> too slowly

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nita,

Capping teeth is using dental sealants, correct? Typical dental sealants contain

bisphenol A (BPA) that is known to cause developmental and reproductive

problems. The Fed and State governments are trying to ban this in products meant

for children. Tell them you don't want this in your child's mouth, constantly

exposing him. Here is info from EWG:

http://www.ewg.org/featured/218

This will show them (among other things) you are doing what's in the best

interest of your child.

Jane

Healthy Child

http://www.healthychild.com

>

> I don't know who called on us. will keep this email and try not to panic. I

> refuse to jump through hoops but I don't want my kids taken from me either

> b/c that is a whole new set of trauma too. the dentist wants to cap his

> teeth. it's the 3 y.o.-the one with autism. I don't want to cap baby teeth

> and I can't afford it either.

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures

>

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't know what the caps are made from but it's different from the sealants.

I haven't agreed to the sealants yet either for jessica. I can get stainless

steel caps but they're more expensive and look uglier.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

I'm confused. Why are people showing up at your door? What do vaccines have to

do with teeth??

FYI--my youngest son had the same problem with his top four teeth. Never had a

bottle, nursed for 7 years. I've traced it to the stupid antibiotics he was

given during his first year of life. I think they upset his whole digestive

system. No one is knocking at my door over it, though.

Winnie

DHR and vaccines

Vaccinations

>

>

> I got a visit from DHR. Someone didn't like 's baby-bottle

> rot top 4

> teeth. even though it's not bottle rot b/c he never had one. so

> she came to

> do a home visit, make sure we're taking david to the dentist.

> She asked

> about all the children. She asked their ages. She asked if they

> were up to

> date on their immunizations. (G**I hate that word!!) I told her

> I had an

> exemption.

>

>

>

> She caught me just driving in from Auburn. my first thought was

> " they'rethat desperate for workers? " b/c of the human resources

> part. I told her it

> seemed rather silly when the state is this strapped for money to

> come worry

> about some baby teeth.. anyway. I had 2 kids at camp and so she

> is coming

> back this Thursday.

>

>

>

> We'll have the shelves stocked, the house cleaned, the kids

> cleaned. Dh is

> about to roll over and wants to get the kids their shots now

> though so they

> don't have any further excuse to come back. " if it's b/t shots

> and having my

> kids taken away from me, I'll get the shots "

>

>

>

> I am hoping it does not come to that and I don't have to pick

> b/c either

> path is not one I want to go down. Of course since I don't

> immediately stand

> up and want to go shoot 'em up he's mad at me.

>

>

>

> Can they really demand shots or take away my kids? dh says they

> won't call

> it that. they'll make up some other excuse.

>

>

>

> He says my religious argument d/n hold water and I don't have a

> leg to stand

> on since our religion does not prohibit shots. That is private

> though isn't

> it? the state can't demand to know what religion I am just b/c I

> have a

> religious exemption can they? Our bishop said I can't tell them

> any of their

> questions are none of their business. I should answer everything

> openly and

> " kill them with kindness " .. don't volunteer but be open. Don't

> give them

> anywhere to go.

>

>

>

> I am soooo stressed right now. I'd rather shoot myself really

> than shoot up

> my kids and I really have no idea what I'll think of my husband

> if this is

> forced and we have to go shoot them up.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> pix: http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

> If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're

> eating it

>

> too slowly

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would refuse to say one word in defense of the religious exemption other than

to tell them you have a legal right to use it and what's it got to do with

teeth?

Winnie

DHR and vaccines

> Vaccinations

>

> >

> >

> > I got a visit from DHR. Someone didn't like 's baby-

> bottle

> > rot top 4

> > teeth. even though it's not bottle rot b/c he never had one.

> so

> > she came to

> > do a home visit, make sure we're taking david to the dentist.

> > She asked

> > about all the children. She asked their ages. She asked if

> they

> > were up to

> > date on their immunizations. (G**I hate that word!!) I told

> her

> > I had an

> > exemption.

> >

> >

> >

> > She caught me just driving in from Auburn. my first thought

> was

> > " they'rethat desperate for workers? " b/c of the human

> resources

> > part. I told her it

> > seemed rather silly when the state is this strapped for money

> to

> > come worry

> > about some baby teeth.. anyway. I had 2 kids at camp and so

> she

> > is coming

> > back this Thursday.

> >

> >

> >

> > We'll have the shelves stocked, the house cleaned, the kids

> > cleaned. Dh is

> > about to roll over and wants to get the kids their shots now

> > though so they

> > don't have any further excuse to come back. " if it's b/t shots

> > and having my

> > kids taken away from me, I'll get the shots "

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hoping it does not come to that and I don't have to pick

> > b/c either

> > path is not one I want to go down. Of course since I don't

> > immediately stand

> > up and want to go shoot 'em up he's mad at me.

> >

> >

> >

> > Can they really demand shots or take away my kids? dh says

> they

> > won't call

> > it that. they'll make up some other excuse.

> >

> >

> >

> > He says my religious argument d/n hold water and I don't have

> a

> > leg to stand

> > on since our religion does not prohibit shots. That is private

> > though isn't

> > it? the state can't demand to know what religion I am just b/c

> I

> > have a

> > religious exemption can they? Our bishop said I can't tell

> them

> > any of their

> > questions are none of their business. I should answer

> everything

> > openly and

> > " kill them with kindness " .. don't volunteer but be open. Don't

> > give them

> > anywhere to go.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am soooo stressed right now. I'd rather shoot myself really

> > than shoot up

> > my kids and I really have no idea what I'll think of my

> husband

> > if this is

> > forced and we have to go shoot them up.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

> 7,

> > Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> > pix: http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> >

> > If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're

> > eating it

> >

> > too slowly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry that you have to deal with their intrusions, it has always been my

fear with not vaccinating.

You don't have to let them in. They can not enter your home unless you allow

them in OR they have a warrant to enter. I have heard from others that if you

let them in, it allows them to snoop around. Personally, I would talk to an

attorney, if you have one available.

If you do talk to them, I wouldn't tell them much of anything. SIMPLE answers

and no details are best. Have your state law printed and ready for her to read.

Practice what you are going to say and be confident. She will probably try to

be nice to you to get you to open up and start speaking freely, don't let it

happen. I would not get too into your beliefs on doctors or medicine, this

raises a red flag for them, although it makes sense to us. I would not get into

the negative effects of vaccines, as she probably knows the counter arguments

and will use them, which may upset you.

Did she say that she wanted your children to be there? If it were me, and I am

not sure if this is the " right " thing to do, but it is what I would do, I would

take the kids to them home of a trusted friend/family member for the visit.

> >

> >

> >

> > I got a visit from DHR. Someone didn't like 's baby-bottle rot top 4

> > teeth. even though it's not bottle rot b/c he never had one. so she came to

> > do a home visit, make sure we're taking david to the dentist. She asked

> > about all the children. She asked their ages. She asked if they were up to

> > date on their immunizations. (G**I hate that word!!) I told her I had an

> > exemption.

> >

> >

> >

> > She caught me just driving in from Auburn. my first thought was " they're

> > that desperate for workers? " b/c of the human resources part. I told her it

> > seemed rather silly when the state is this strapped for money to come worry

> > about some baby teeth.. anyway. I had 2 kids at camp and so she is coming

> > back this Thursday.

> >

> >

> >

> > We'll have the shelves stocked, the house cleaned, the kids cleaned. Dh is

> > about to roll over and wants to get the kids their shots now though so they

> > don't have any further excuse to come back. " if it's b/t shots and having my

> > kids taken away from me, I'll get the shots "

> >

> >

> >

> > I am hoping it does not come to that and I don't have to pick b/c either

> > path is not one I want to go down. Of course since I don't immediately stand

> > up and want to go shoot 'em up he's mad at me.

> >

> >

> >

> > Can they really demand shots or take away my kids? dh says they won't call

> > it that. they'll make up some other excuse.

> >

> >

> >

> > He says my religious argument d/n hold water and I don't have a leg to stand

> > on since our religion does not prohibit shots. That is private though isn't

> > it? the state can't demand to know what religion I am just b/c I have a

> > religious exemption can they? Our bishop said I can't tell them any of their

> > questions are none of their business. I should answer everything openly and

> > " kill them with kindness " .. don't volunteer but be open. Don't give them

> > anywhere to go.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am soooo stressed right now. I'd rather shoot myself really than shoot up

> > my kids and I really have no idea what I'll think of my husband if this is

> > forced and we have to go shoot them up.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Nita and my crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10, 7,

> > Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3, Isaac 1

> > pix: <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> http://momof6.dotphoto.com blog:

> > http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> >

> > If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it

> >

> > too slowly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I've been told I can't be that argumentative. I've been told I need to be

nice and " kill her with kindness " make her think I have nothing to hide and

that their effort to look at us is wasted and they should get on with their

busy lives.

I'm hoping to downplay it and move things along too but if she starts in on

the questions, dh wants me to be ready. He's not happy to be a non-vaxxing

parent, as I thought he was. This is going to get ugly, even if the ugly is

just b/t him and me.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

You could also play Ms. Complacent and make an appointment with another dentist

before Thursday and tell her that you are taking your son in for a second

opinion, as you are not sure that you want to subject him to all of that work

for nothing.

Find a dentist who is more laid back and less likely to want to do extensive

work on baby teeth, maybe someone older. It could at least buy you some time.

Sara

---- Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote:

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I've been told I can't be that argumentative. I've been told I need to be

nice and " kill her with kindness " make her think I have nothing to hide and

that their effort to look at us is wasted and they should get on with their

busy lives.

I'm hoping to downplay it and move things along too but if she starts in on

the questions, dh wants me to be ready. He's not happy to be a non-vaxxing

parent, as I thought he was. This is going to get ugly, even if the ugly is

just b/t him and me.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

-This reminds me of what homeschooling families fear---complaints leading to

visits from social services. I really think this is comparable because social

services show up at homeschoolers' door over complaints of neglect and abuse.

They do not have the legal right to enter--although they state and act like they

do and sometimes they leave and bring the police back with them. But for someone

who knows the law, or better yet, has a lawyer to call when they arrive at the

door---then hand the phone to the lawyer and let him explain the law to

them----they always send SS back to their cars. They can go try and get a

warrant--but no judge is going to issue a warrant over rotted baby teeth alone!!

But if you let them in, they are very good at finding other things to use

against you. I know you think that you should be nice etc and " be nice " but

letting these people in without a warrant--is a mistake. be nice but do not be

unwise. You are only in the power seat as long as you do not let them in. No

judge will issue a warrant for this alone. I belonged to a legal firm called

HSLDA for 18 yrs as we homeschooled---they always warned members not to let them

in without a warrant--and to call HSLDA (Homeschool Legal Defense

Association)from the front door to speak with them. In some cases, they have

said to let SS " see " the other children for a moment on the porch--in order to

show they are fine and there is no " immediate " danger to the children--which is

what is needed for the warrant. This does not mean the children speak anything

but hello and that they are fine. They are not to be examined and you are in

charge of controlling that. You could say something like, " Well, you can see the

children are healthy , happy and fine, so I am sending them back inside now. "

Stand your ground. Hopefully they won't act scared either! This all needs to

stay limited at your front door, a witness would be good, a lawyer very valuable

here in this situation. Another thing that was often done in stories of harassed

homeschool families was that several letters were quickly gathered--- attesting

to the good, safe care and home of your children. Family members, a pastor, a

teacher, a neighbor, a doctor, 3 neighbors,other close friends, an employer

etc......have copies of these in hand if this looks to be going south. I am not

preaching, just sharing what I have seen advised in similar situations. You and

oyur husband need to be united here also. Save your differences for privacy. I

would think all you would need is to have a lawyer available by phone--not in

person. That should cost less also!

a

[Guest guest]

I'm so very sorry you're going through this! Will your husband watch Sherri

Tenpenny's video??

Hang in there! You're in my thoughts and prayers for a positive outcome.

Kay

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He's not happy to be a non-vaxxing parent, as I thought he was. This is going to

get ugly, even if the ugly is just b/t him and me.

Nita

[Guest guest]

>

what do I do since i've already let her in once? we do worry about her finding

other stuff to use against us. that is why he has insisted I can verbalize a

real reglious reason for the exemption other than " i don't like vaccines'...

what about the thought of 'we don't have anything to hide " ... if we don't let

her in, wouldn't that raise further red flags that she needs to investigate

more? i want them gone and out of my business and let me get back to doing what

they want me to do: parent my children.

writing from the web.

nita

[Guest guest]

The same reasoning of " we have nothing to hide " has gotten boatloads of people

into trouble with the law unnecessarily. That's why you have the right to having

a lawyer present for questioning--to protect you from being so honest that you

could legally incriminate yourself.

Don't let her in to find other stuff to use against you. Why is she coming back

at all? DO NOT DISCUSS VACCINES. Do NOT discuss your religious beliefs. You do

not owe this stranger any explanations about your parenting choices.

Winnie

Re: Re: DHR and vaccines

Vaccinations

Cc: mypugpups

>

> >

> what do I do since i've already let her in once? we do worry

> about her finding other stuff to use against us. that is why he

> has insisted I can verbalize a real reglious reason for the

> exemption other than " i don't like vaccines'...

>

> what about the thought of 'we don't have anything to hide " ... if

> we don't let her in, wouldn't that raise further red flags that

> she needs to investigate more? i want them gone and out of my

> business and let me get back to doing what they want me to do:

> parent my children.

>

> writing from the web.

>

> nita

>

[Guest guest]

I read once that you should NEVER answer the questions of the police

or anyone without an attorney present, even if you think you have not

done a thing wrong. I.e. a police officer walks up to you in the

grocery store and starts asking random questions that you would

normally blow off if it were anyone else in the grocery store check

out line... DON'T answer them. The piece I read showed how the most

innocent of conversations can be totally turned around and used

against you if you don't have someone watching your back. I certainly

don't want to make anyone paranoid, but I think it's very good advice

to have an attorney present while being questioned, or at the very

least, have him/her listening in on the phone. I would certainly call

Alan BEFORE the visit and get his take on all of this. He

bills on a sliding scale and tries really hard to keep his fees

reasonable. He's not just a family lawyer, but a family lawyer that

is well versed in the law as it pertains to vaccines (so he could help

with the teeth thing, too).

Alan , Attorney and Counselor at Law

Telephone: (919) 960-5172

E-mail: Click Here

Mailing Address:

Post Office Box 3473

Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473

Office Hours: Variable

Best time to call: 9:00am - 2:00pm M-F

Consultations: Call or e-mail for more information

Location and Directions: Call or e-mail for more information

If I were in your shoes, Vita, especially with your husband acting

like he is, this is exactly the person I'd be calling.

I hope this all blows over for you uneventfully!

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:50 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

>

>

> The same reasoning of " we have nothing to hide " has gotten boatloads of

> people into trouble with the law unnecessarily. That's why you have the

> right to having a lawyer present for questioning--to protect you from being

> so honest that you could legally incriminate yourself.

>

> Don't let her in to find other stuff to use against you. Why is she coming

> back at all? DO NOT DISCUSS VACCINES. Do NOT discuss your religious beliefs.

> You do not owe this stranger any explanations about your parenting choices.

>

> Winnie

[Guest guest]

Oops, sorry. Alan's email is lawpapa at nc.rr.com and his web address is:

http://www.alanphillipslaw.com/

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Roberg<trinnea@...> wrote:

> Alan , Attorney and Counselor at Law

> Telephone: (919) 960-5172

> E-mail: Click Here

> Mailing Address:

>    Post Office Box 3473

>    Chapel Hill, NC 27515-3473

> Office Hours: Variable

> Best time to call:  9:00am - 2:00pm M-F

> Consultations: Call or e-mail for more information

> Location and Directions: Call or e-mail for more information

[Guest guest]

There is a movie somewhere explaining just that in a lecture to law students I

think.   Saw it years ago. Volunteer nothing. Not paranoia - just common sense.

They want a conviction, not truth.

Ah! Found it!

Don't Talk to PoliceAlso this! A quick read as it is important.

http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!2C!40!841FE731B23B/CNYWP/DontTalktoCops/

Love,

Mara

I read once that you should NEVER answer the questions of the police

or anyone without an attorney present, even if you think you have not

done a thing wrong.