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Mumps involves swelling of the parotid glands specifically. They are

located at the back of the cheek between the ear and the jaw. I don't

believe mumps affects any of the other salivary glands - there are three

major pairs in total of which the parotids are the largest. The other two

major pairs are the sublinguals (under the tongue) and the submandibulars

which are very deep in the floor of the mouth (under the jaw). There are

also many smaller salivary glands in the mouth.

I don't think from what you have described that this is mumps. But I would

have thought that serological testing would have revealed mumps if it had

been present. I don't believe it would take two weeks, but that's my

opinion.

What other symptoms does he have/has he had recently?

Sue x

-- Help with MUMPS

Folks.

My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since Monday - I'm confused

and angry with the doctors, with different stories about whats going on.

When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland, he was tested

and they said its strep.

He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had blister things

under his tongue.

One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its still the Strep

virus.

Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the anitbiotics, he said the

test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if this is mumps

or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for this... I'm angry

and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a disease.

Thank you

Chelly

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Thanks Sue,

The first sign was pain in his cheek, he's 9 years old and it seemed to me he

couldn't pin point the pain area, after a few days he said it was coming from

the back of his mouth, at the last molar tooth. Then the swelling up on his

cheek came. It moved down under his jaw and into the salivary gland.

Testing at the hospital showed Strep in the salivary gland, the antibiotics took

care of that, and that gland was fine after about 3 days. The swelling under

his tongue started around that time, when he lifts his tongue up it looks like

he has another tongue under it, its huge and swollen that he can't talk properly

and has lots of spit. (drooling) the swelling under the tongue produced blister

like things after a couple of days, they were white and looked to be full of

puss or something. those puss/blisters have since disapeared, but the swelling

remains.

His teacher told me he was complaining his ear was hurting the day before all

this started. he never said anything about that to me. He had a huge fever, they

were dosing him up on tylenol at the hospital and they wouldn't let it go over

101.6 until I asked them to please stop. we then let his fever go up to 104.3

and then he got tylenol. That was at the peak, and thats when the salivary

gland got well.

Since then his fever hasn't gone over 101 at all, he is maintaining a normal

temp now wiht some slight fever ever now and then but hardly noticable.

A week or two before all this, I noticed a red circle on his back - it looked to

me like Ring worm and I treated it by putting tea-tree oil on it twice and it

went away. He told me it was itchy.

Chelly

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From: mum2mishka@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:21:07 +0800

Subject: Re: Help with MUMPS

Mumps involves swelling of the parotid glands specifically. They are

located at the back of the cheek between the ear and the jaw. I don't

believe mumps affects any of the other salivary glands - there are three

major pairs in total of which the parotids are the largest. The other two

major pairs are the sublinguals (under the tongue) and the submandibulars

which are very deep in the floor of the mouth (under the jaw). There are

also many smaller salivary glands in the mouth.

I don't think from what you have described that this is mumps. But I would

have thought that serological testing would have revealed mumps if it had

been present. I don't believe it would take two weeks, but that's my

opinion.

What other symptoms does he have/has he had recently?

Sue x

-- Help with MUMPS

Folks.

My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since Monday - I'm confused

and angry with the doctors, with different stories about whats going on.

When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland, he was tested

and they said its strep.

He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had blister things

under his tongue.

One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its still the Strep

virus.

Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the anitbiotics, he said the

test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if this is mumps

or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for this... I'm angry

and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a disease.

Thank you

Chelly

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I told the doc about the red circle - he agreed that it sounded like ringworm,

and the circle has disapeared.

I tried to upload a picture of his face, the day we took him to the dentist

(thinking he had an abcess)

I have uploaded it here:

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z162/Mikcher/SANY1090.jpg

The swelling got a lot worse after this pic, and then under his chin started to

swell up with the floor of his mouth swelling.

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:35:15 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

Tick bite?

Winnie

>

>

>

> A week or two before all this, I noticed a red circle on his

> back - it looked to me like Ring worm and I treated it by

> putting tea-tree oil on it twice and it went away. He told me

> it was itchy.

>

>

>

> Chelly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> From: mum2mishka@...

> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:21:07 +0800

> Subject: Re: Help with MUMPS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mumps involves swelling of the parotid glands specifically. They are

> located at the back of the cheek between the ear and the jaw. I don't

> believe mumps affects any of the other salivary glands - there

> are three

> major pairs in total of which the parotids are the largest. The

> other two

> major pairs are the sublinguals (under the tongue) and the

> submandibularswhich are very deep in the floor of the mouth

> (under the jaw). There are

> also many smaller salivary glands in the mouth.

>

> I don't think from what you have described that this is mumps.

> But I would

> have thought that serological testing would have revealed mumps

> if it had

> been present. I don't believe it would take two weeks, but

> that's my

> opinion.

>

> What other symptoms does he have/has he had recently?

>

> Sue x

>

>

> -- Help with MUMPS

>

> Folks.

>

> My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since Monday -

> I'm confused

> and angry with the doctors, with different stories about whats

> going on.

>

> When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland, he

> was tested

> and they said its strep.

> He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

>

> Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had blister

> thingsunder his tongue.

> One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its

> still the Strep

> virus.

> Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the anitbiotics, he

> said the

> test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

>

> I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if

> this is mumps

> or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for

> this... I'm angry

> and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

>

> My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a disease.

>

> Thank you

> Chelly

>

>

>

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I'm scared to just take him out and bring him home, they're giving him

antibiotics and maybe he needs then - I don't know! I've never ever been caught

in a situation like this.

(he normally looks a lot happier than in that pic! LOL)

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:06:06 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

Oh, he does NOT look happy (but he is very cute!).

Why is he still in the hospital? If you don't want him there, take him home.

You're paying. You're the mom. It's your decision, not theirs.

Winnie

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> >

> > Folks.

> >

> > My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since Monday -

>

> > I'm confused

> > and angry with the doctors, with different stories about whats

> > going on.

> >

> > When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland,

> he

> > was tested

> > and they said its strep.

> > He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

> >

> > Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had

> blister

> > thingsunder his tongue.

> > One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its

> > still the Strep

> > virus.

> > Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the anitbiotics,

> he

> > said the

> > test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

> >

> > I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if

> > this is mumps

> > or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for

> > this... I'm angry

> > and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

> >

> > My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a disease.

> >

> > Thank you

> > Chelly

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

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By IV. I asked yesterday if they could take the IV out - they said they would

have to give shots for the antibiotic. I don't know much about them, how long

they need to keep being taken etc... and I don't understand why he can't take it

orally (liquid form)

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:21:25 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

Can't he take the antibiotics at home, or are they being given by IV?

Help with MUMPS

> > >

> > > Folks.

> > >

> > > My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since

> Monday -

> >

> > > I'm confused

> > > and angry with the doctors, with different stories about

> whats

> > > going on.

> > >

> > > When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland,

> > he

> > > was tested

> > > and they said its strep.

> > > He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

> > >

> > > Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had

> > blister

> > > thingsunder his tongue.

> > > One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its

> > > still the Strep

> > > virus.

> > > Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the

> anitbiotics,

> > he

> > > said the

> > > test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

> > >

> > > I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if

> > > this is mumps

> > > or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for

> > > this... I'm angry

> > > and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

> > >

> > > My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a

> disease.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > Chelly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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How strange. Poor lad - it must be extremely uncomfortable for him to say

the least.

I would have to wonder if that red circle on his back has anything to do

with it. If, for example, it was some sort of bite - maybe a tick bite, as

Winnie suggested - and you then put tea tree oil on it - which would have

suppressed it, then the reaction could have been coming out through lymph

nodes - of which there are many around the neck/head area. Or if the bite

had been infected, same thing.

Just speculation, but I don't really believe in coincidence. I do know it

isn't good to suppress any form of skin eruption and drive it back into the

body. There's usually some form of payback. Even if it was ringworm, it's

not good to suppress it and certainly not with tea tree oil which can be

extremely irritant to the skin due to its high 1,8 cineole content.

How is he in himself - his disposition? Is he eating/drinking okay, any

vomiting/diarrhoea, any other symptoms? Sounds like he needs another good

fever to clear it all out.

What are the hospital proposing? What is their plan of action?

Sue x

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Thanks Sue,

The first sign was pain in his cheek, he's 9 years old and it seemed to me

he couldn't pin point the pain area, after a few days he said it was coming

from the back of his mouth, at the last molar tooth. Then the swelling up

on his cheek came. It moved down under his jaw and into the salivary gland.

Testing at the hospital showed Strep in the salivary gland, the antibiotics

took care of that, and that gland was fine after about 3 days. The swelling

under his tongue started around that time, when he lifts his tongue up it

looks like he has another tongue under it, its huge and swollen that he can

t talk properly and has lots of spit. (drooling) the swelling under the

tongue produced blister like things after a couple of days, they were white

and looked to be full of puss or something. those puss/blisters have since

disapeared, but the swelling remains.

His teacher told me he was complaining his ear was hurting the day before

all this started. he never said anything about that to me. He had a huge

fever, they were dosing him up on tylenol at the hospital and they wouldn't

let it go over 101.6 until I asked them to please stop. we then let his

fever go up to 104.3 and then he got tylenol. That was at the peak, and

thats when the salivary gland got well.

Since then his fever hasn't gone over 101 at all, he is maintaining a normal

temp now wiht some slight fever ever now and then but hardly noticable.

A week or two before all this, I noticed a red circle on his back - it

looked to me like Ring worm and I treated it by putting tea-tree oil on it

twice and it went away. He told me it was itchy.

Chelly

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The hospital is just in a wait and see mode, which is annoying to me, seems like

they don't really know whats going on and are just hoping the antibiotics DO

something.

I'm unsure how to treat ringworm other than to get rid of it with tea-tree oil,

it was only a little itchy before I put the oil on, then it was fine and started

to clear up in a day or so.

I don't think it was a bite, but heck it could have been, I don't think tick, we

would have seen the tick I'm sure, and its not the season for them right nw - we

still have snow on the ground.

His disposition is close to normal, he has been happy go lucky for the most

part, but his sleep has been very disturbed, he has been crying and wimpering in

his sleep the last 3 or 4 nights, and a little mumbling going on - I did catch a

few words the other night he said he needed a vacation!

He seemed a little frustrated and bored today and yesterday, its difficult to

keep an active kid in bed for so long, and when I ask if he wants to go walk

down the hall or something, he doesn't feel like it.

He hasn't been eating - drinking when we keep pestering him to do so. He

started to eat the other day, but tiny little tips of a teaspoon kinda thing,

not enough at all.

No vomitting, he's having bowel movements but they're small hard and a few times

a day.

He had one night of sweating, I found him with wet sheets and pillow... that

was two nights ago, when the wimpering and crying in his sleep started.

He did get a red rash after 24 hours of antibiotic, on his warmer body parts,

under his arms, down to the elbow, sides, groin etc. they said it was a

reaction to the antibiotic, then they said it was the strep.

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From: mum2mishka@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:35:40 +0800

Subject: RE: Help with MUMPS

How strange. Poor lad - it must be extremely uncomfortable for him to say

the least.

I would have to wonder if that red circle on his back has anything to do

with it. If, for example, it was some sort of bite - maybe a tick bite, as

Winnie suggested - and you then put tea tree oil on it - which would have

suppressed it, then the reaction could have been coming out through lymph

nodes - of which there are many around the neck/head area. Or if the bite

had been infected, same thing.

Just speculation, but I don't really believe in coincidence. I do know it

isn't good to suppress any form of skin eruption and drive it back into the

body. There's usually some form of payback. Even if it was ringworm, it's

not good to suppress it and certainly not with tea tree oil which can be

extremely irritant to the skin due to its high 1,8 cineole content.

How is he in himself - his disposition? Is he eating/drinking okay, any

vomiting/diarrhoea, any other symptoms? Sounds like he needs another good

fever to clear it all out.

What are the hospital proposing? What is their plan of action?

Sue x

-- RE: Help with MUMPS

Thanks Sue,

The first sign was pain in his cheek, he's 9 years old and it seemed to me

he couldn't pin point the pain area, after a few days he said it was coming

from the back of his mouth, at the last molar tooth. Then the swelling up

on his cheek came. It moved down under his jaw and into the salivary gland.

Testing at the hospital showed Strep in the salivary gland, the antibiotics

took care of that, and that gland was fine after about 3 days. The swelling

under his tongue started around that time, when he lifts his tongue up it

looks like he has another tongue under it, its huge and swollen that he can

t talk properly and has lots of spit. (drooling) the swelling under the

tongue produced blister like things after a couple of days, they were white

and looked to be full of puss or something. those puss/blisters have since

disapeared, but the swelling remains.

His teacher told me he was complaining his ear was hurting the day before

all this started. he never said anything about that to me. He had a huge

fever, they were dosing him up on tylenol at the hospital and they wouldn't

let it go over 101.6 until I asked them to please stop. we then let his

fever go up to 104.3 and then he got tylenol. That was at the peak, and

thats when the salivary gland got well.

Since then his fever hasn't gone over 101 at all, he is maintaining a normal

temp now wiht some slight fever ever now and then but hardly noticable.

A week or two before all this, I noticed a red circle on his back - it

looked to me like Ring worm and I treated it by putting tea-tree oil on it

twice and it went away. He told me it was itchy.

Chelly

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It depends on what type of antibiotic they have him one. Some can only be by IV

or by a shot BUT>>>> He can go home with home health for antibiotics. We took

my son out of the NICU when he was 5 days old and he had an IV for another 5

days at home.

IF that is all that is keeping him there (as in my son's case) tell them you

want to go home with home health to finish the antibiotics. Unless there is

another reason they are keeping him such as he is unstaable in some way.

andrea

>

>

> By IV. I asked yesterday if they could take the IV out - they said they would

have to give shots for the antibiotic. I don't know much about them, how long

they need to keep being taken etc... and I don't understand why he can't take it

orally (liquid form)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Vaccinations

> From: wharrison@...

> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:21:25 +0000

> Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Can't he take the antibiotics at home, or are they being given by IV?

>

> Help with MUMPS

> > > >

> > > > Folks.

> > > >

> > > > My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since

> > Monday -

> > >

> > > > I'm confused

> > > > and angry with the doctors, with different stories about

> > whats

> > > > going on.

> > > >

> > > > When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary gland,

> > > he

> > > > was tested

> > > > and they said its strep.

> > > > He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

> > > >

> > > > Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had

> > > blister

> > > > thingsunder his tongue.

> > > > One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said its

> > > > still the Strep

> > > > virus.

> > > > Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the

> > anitbiotics,

> > > he

> > > > said the

> > > > test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

> > > >

> > > > I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know if

> > > > this is mumps

> > > > or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for

> > > > this... I'm angry

> > > > and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

> > > >

> > > > My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a

> > disease.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > > Chelly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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Winnie, I will have a change to find out now - he's got to go back tomorrow at

10am to the doctors office. But he is coming home today! I have to go pick

him and my hubby up as soon as I've done the animal chores around here.

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:44:11 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

Hmmm, then you'd have to worry about what was in the shots. I'd pass on that.

Who knows what they'd end up injecting him with?

Can you get a second opinion?

Winnie

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> > > >

> > > > Folks.

> > > >

> > > > My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since

> > Monday -

> > >

> > > > I'm confused

> > > > and angry with the doctors, with different stories about

> > whats

> > > > going on.

> > > >

> > > > When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary

> gland,

> > > he

> > > > was tested

> > > > and they said its strep.

> > > > He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

> > > >

> > > > Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had

> > > blister

> > > > thingsunder his tongue.

> > > > One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said

> its

> > > > still the Strep

> > > > virus.

> > > > Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the

> > anitbiotics,

> > > he

> > > > said the

> > > > test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

> > > >

> > > > I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I know

> if

> > > > this is mumps

> > > > or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital for

> > > > this... I'm angry

> > > > and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

> > > >

> > > > My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a

> > disease.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > > Chelly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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Well it will be over soon, bringing hom home today - I just KNOW they were

pushing their luck with this, Ijust KNOW It - they have no REAL reason to keep

him. His mouth is still swollen, but they can't say what it is!!! I don't even

know if the antibiotics are helping at this point!

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:01:20 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

They DON'T know what's going on. Otherwise they would have told you. They

wouldn't be stabbing in the dark with the antibiotic reaction/strep flip-flop

for the rash.

I think it's possible they're holding him until the mumps test results come

back. I would ask them outright if they are. And if it is mumps, are the

antibiotics helping or hurting?

They cynical part of me thinks they're hard up for business with insurance

companies booting people out within days of major surgeriess. I'm not there,

though. Definitely pressure them for a firm answer on why he needs to be

hospitalized.

Winnie

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>

> Thanks Sue,

>

> The first sign was pain in his cheek, he's 9 years old and it

> seemed to me

> he couldn't pin point the pain area, after a few days he said it

> was coming

> from the back of his mouth, at the last molar tooth. Then the

> swelling up

> on his cheek came. It moved down under his jaw and into the

> salivary gland.

>

> Testing at the hospital showed Strep in the salivary gland, the

> antibioticstook care of that, and that gland was fine after

> about 3 days. The swelling

> under his tongue started around that time, when he lifts his

> tongue up it

> looks like he has another tongue under it, its huge and swollen

> that he can

> t talk properly and has lots of spit. (drooling) the swelling

> under the

> tongue produced blister like things after a couple of days, they

> were white

> and looked to be full of puss or something. those puss/blisters

> have since

> disapeared, but the swelling remains.

>

>

>

> His teacher told me he was complaining his ear was hurting the

> day before

> all this started. he never said anything about that to me. He

> had a huge

> fever, they were dosing him up on tylenol at the hospital and

> they wouldn't

> let it go over 101.6 until I asked them to please stop. we then

> let his

> fever go up to 104.3 and then he got tylenol. That was at the

> peak, and

> thats when the salivary gland got well.

>

> Since then his fever hasn't gone over 101 at all, he is

> maintaining a normal

> temp now wiht some slight fever ever now and then but hardly

> noticable.

>

>

>

> A week or two before all this, I noticed a red circle on his

> back - it

> looked to me like Ring worm and I treated it by putting tea-tree

> oil on it

> twice and it went away. He told me it was itchy.

>

>

>

> Chelly

>

>

>

>

>

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I will, I really really hope it IS mumps! (The doctors gave me a dirty look

when I said that a few days ago! LOL)

Chelly

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From: wharrison@...

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:54:12 +0000

Subject: Re: RE: Help with MUMPS

Great news! He'll do so much better in his own home. Keep us updated, especially

about the mumps tests results.

Winnie

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> > > > >

> > > > > Folks.

> > > > >

> > > > > My son is currently in hospital, he's been there since

> > > Monday -

> > > >

> > > > > I'm confused

> > > > > and angry with the doctors, with different stories about

> > > whats

> > > > > going on.

> > > > >

> > > > > When he went in to the ER he had an infected Salivary

> > gland,

> > > > he

> > > > > was tested

> > > > > and they said its strep.

> > > > > He was put on Antibiotics through his IV.

> > > > >

> > > > > Next the floor of his mouth started to swell up - he had

> > > > blister

> > > > > thingsunder his tongue.

> > > > > One doc said the Mumps test came back Negative, he said

> > its

> > > > > still the Strep

> > > > > virus.

> > > > > Other doc said the strep has cleared up with the

> > > anitbiotics,

> > > > he

> > > > > said the

> > > > > test for Mumps takes 2 weeks to come back.

> > > > >

> > > > > I need to know if the test takes that long, how do I

> know

> > if

> > > > > this is mumps

> > > > > or not - I do NOT want them to keep my son in hospital

> for

> > > > > this... I'm angry

> > > > > and afraid and need someone to please help me here.

> > > > >

> > > > > My son is 9 years old, never had a shot, never had a

> > > disease.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you

> > > > > Chelly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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