Scared now......6 yr old very sick

[Guest guest]

I'll probably try to figure out the constitutional myself. Last time I took my

son to a homeopath, he picked the same remedy I did! I might go back there

again, though. This ND I don't think does constitutional but he does other

wonderful things.

Winnie

Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Vaccinations

> Yeah, things can take time to figure out for sure. Compared to

> alternatives (meaning conventional ) this treatment has been a

> blessing at every stage for 13 years now. Great! - make sure

> the ND

> is doing constitutional.

> Liz

>

>

> >

> > I think you're right. I've always had problems with this

> particular

> child. Cannot figure him out for the life of me. I had him to a

> homeopath which helped for a time but it's up and down with him.

> And

> now he's 13--yikes! I actually have an appointment with my

> naturopath

> next week for the first time in years to give him a big " tune-up. "

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> >

> > > In your experience here Winnie, I'm sure the penicillin

> combated

> > > something and made that change...but as you know, not the

> same

> > > as

> > > resolving the reason for it and that cause can linger in the

> > > background and pop up elsewhere when treated suppressively.

> >

> > > Liz

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jim, it turns out that they didn't give her any antibiotics at

all, they said they didn't know what is wrong with her. No strep anymore,

no pneumonia and no bronchitis, but her cough is constant and scary and

painful and her fever remains between 102 and 103, I guess it's just a

virus, but I hate seeing her waste away like this.

Thanks for your help.

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Jim O

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:01 AM

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Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Pick up a copy of the physicians desk reference at your local drug store.

It is only 7 or 8 dollars.

It will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know in simple to understand

language, it will specifically tell you about the relationship with drugs

and children. Sounds like you could use some solid and factual information.

In fact a good idea would be to take it with you to the doctor. You both

can look up the drugs he wants to give, and you can also find out what the

ingredients are.

Jim

________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well I am fearful because she is always sick. You see this isn’t the first

time, she has missed over 20 days of school so far this year, I am getting

warning letters from her school. I suspect that her immune system is NOT

functioning right because she was just sick 2 ½ weeks ago with strep (that

is gone now though) and a new bug is taking over, its constantly one thing

after another, this child has been sick for the last year or two

constantly, her teacher says she is the only kid in her class that is

always sick. So I think her immune system isn’t working right.

How do I fix her immune system ? That is what I am really concerned about.

Please understand that over the past year she has lost 5 to 7 pounds and

NOT gained anything. That is a concern. She should be growing and gaining

weight at 6 years old. Now you can see bones in her ribs and other places,

this wasn’t the case before, she used to be chubby. That is why I am so

concerned.

Her symptoms were just high fever and cough, but now it’s runny and red

nose too.

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:18 AM

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Subject: RE: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

so what are her symptoms?

Why are you panicking?

We do have immune systems to help us get through

illness, but we have been so programmed with fear

Of course you can choose what you want for your

child, but antibiotics cause their own damage.

What are her symptoms?

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Sherri -- yes, I have been giving her lots of vitamin C and also some kids

biotics from health food store, all natural stuff and she doesn't eat much

when she is sick, but I DO have to force the fluids in her right now, she

isn't hungry or thirsty right now. She is only eating veggies and fruits

though (when I can get her to eat) I don't give her processed foods and NO

dairy when she is sick.

Thanks,

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:19 AM

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Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

There is no guarantee of that.

How do we know what is removed in the body that is necessary, with

antibiotics?

There is a 3rd choice - allow the body to heal

itself - depends though on her symptoms

Vitamin C - did you work with that?

Food? Fluids?

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

In my daughter's case I think I have to agree with you, she has been on

repeated amounts of antibiotics over the last few years, and this would

probably explain why her

Entire immune system is SHOT. I hate antibiotics, but also I didn't want to

put my daughter in danger today. So we did the xray and the strep throat

culture again and it was all negative. So we are not on anything right now

other then I did cave in and give her motrin and cough meds because I ran

out of the homeopathic stuff that I had here ( am getting more tomorrow

though). My daughter needed sleep tonight, we were both up most of the

night last night, so I gave her meds to get her some well needed rest, if I

had homeopathics here I would have used them instead though.

Thanks

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:24 AM

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Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

At 01:10 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

>a life saver.

I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-threatening

situations.

Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

>common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

> Now...,

>your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

>you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

>illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

>probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

>this thing before it turns bad.

Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

>and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

>have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

>fight their illnesses for so long.

????

> And, strep throat. That one

>scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

>using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

>back up with probiotics, etc.

There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

>building her back up.

and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

>between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

your thinking

>I feel they

>both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

>too.

allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

fights the body and does not cure.

homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

dissipate a disturbance and heal.

or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them, even

without homeopathy.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Have you looked in the raw diet, lots of greens and lit fruits, nuts

and seeds. Look it up there are so many testimonials of healings.

In my own case it has helped me greatly but I have not done it 100%

yet still eating around 70%. I know of a couple of people that has

cured all sorts of things. My friend who has non hodkins lymphoma

his lab work is almost normal after 10 months full raw and drinking

about 2-4 quarts of veggie smoothies and juicing. I also know of a

couple with a an autistic daugher whose hair was failing off due to

havingt no nutrition and her inability to digest well. after a year ,

its a new child. She gained wt and the whole fam lost allergies, pre-

diabetic conditions etc. Google the raw diet and remember you dont

want to eat high fat either(lots of raw desserts have lots of nuts)

or too much sugar even fruits when there are bacteria or viruses in

the body. I have several web sites if you interested. Also look

into The ph diet esp Dr young his website. GOod luck.

> >Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they

are

> >a life saver.

>

> I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-

threatening

> situations.

> Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

> They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

> I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>

> >The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

> >common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

>

> No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

>

> > Now...,

> >your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep,

and

> >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> >this thing before it turns bad.

>

> Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

>

> Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>

> >There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

> >and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though

we

> >have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let

them

> >fight their illnesses for so long.

>

> ????

>

> > And, strep throat. That one

> >scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

> >using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

> >back up with probiotics, etc.

>

> There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>

> >Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

> >building her back up.

>

> and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>

> >I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

> >between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

>

> You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> your thinking

>

> >I feel they

> >both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

> >too.

>

> allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

> fights the body and does not cure.

> homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

> dissipate a disturbance and heal.

> or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them,

even

> without homeopathy.

>

> Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it was strep 2 ½ weeks ago, she had a positive culture……I killed it

back then using Colloidal Silver and Oil of Oregano, but I didn’t know what

was wrong with her this time, I was only “Assuming” that the strep was

back, I had no idea what she had. She got Xrays today and tested negative

for strep too, and turns out the doctors don’t know what she has either.

I prefer home remedies over antibiotics any day, but my mother threatens to

call child welfare when my daughter gets this sick and I don’t take her to

be seen. It makes me so angry that my mother puts her nose in my business

like that.

Oh and Belladonna didn’t do any good for my daughter’s fever 2 weeks ago

when she did have strep and a high fever, maybe I wasn’t using it right

though, I am so new to all of this homeopathic stuff, but I am also ready

to learn, as I am SO OVER regular doctors anymore.

Thanks

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Brandegee

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:50 PM

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Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Has it been diagnosed as strep yet? I've gone to Ped. to get dx and

then home to done remedies, never needing to fill that prescription

(but I had it just in case). Most often has been Belladonna for true

strep, which was also right for my children's constitutions as an

acute. Miraculous turnarounds happened before my eyes. That evolved

into never needing to go to any office. It may be another remedy

depending on what is happening in your case of course.

I agree with Sheri, don't be afraid, the right remedy and potency can

resolve it.

In your experience here Winnie, I'm sure the penicillin combated

something and made that change...but as you know, not the same as

resolving the reason for it and that cause can linger in the

background and pop up elsewhere when treated suppressively. I've

given remedies to many with pneumonia who drastically recovered

almost overnight, after they had been on 3-4 different rounds of

antibiotics. They're never worth it to me

Liz

[Guest guest]

Well, to my own defense and maybe to the others who told me I should get

her on antibiotics, it was just on the news about several women who didn't

treat their infections (one was a bladder infection or kidney infection)

and the other was an infection from a dog bite (that went untreated and

ignored) and both cases turned into sepsis, the Model who was 21 yrs old

died, and the other lady barely survived and lost some fingers and I think

some toes too. So when you think about it, had those women gotten on

antibiotics, the doctors said that sepsis wouldn't have killed the one and

wouldn't have almost killed the other one, and that my friends is why I

took my daughter to the doctor today, that is what I want to avoid, sepsis

is NO Joke, people die of it all the time at ANY age..It's not something to

play around with at all, it's serious, it's real and it happens all the

time.

That is my biggest fear with any infection at any age.

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Colleen

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:57 PM

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Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

SHERI,

It seems you are very against antibiotics, in every way? I am not

totally for them, but I think there are some instances that they can

SAVE YOUR LIFE? You seem to have only negative comments, but no

productive advice on something (a remedy) that would work???

I would love to here how to cure and assist the body in fighting

massive infections, etc. without the need for any antibiotics. I am

not being sarcastic, I am truely inquiring...

" I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use. "

Do you have any info on the autism issue? Seriously, I would like to

read into this, a bit more. I have also, seen children regress

on " REPEATED " anitibiotic use. Anything used in massive amounts is

bad, of course.

" No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all. "

If you were to barely survive a car crash and have gaping wounds left

open, that became infected or contact MRSA...would you turn down the

use of antibiotics? Just curious what you would do in this

situation...

[Guest guest]

Considering your little girl has been on repeated antibiotics,

another dose would have been horrible for her. I am definately not

an antibiotic fan, myself, and we would have tried other options

first, as well. You made some very good choices for your little girl!

I hope she gets better soon.

Colleen

> >Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they

are

> >a life saver.

>

> I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-

threatening

> situations.

> Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

> They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

> I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>

> >The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

> >common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

>

> No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

>

> > Now...,

> >your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep,

and

> >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> >this thing before it turns bad.

>

> Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

>

> Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>

> >There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

> >and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though

we

> >have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let

them

> >fight their illnesses for so long.

>

> ????

>

> > And, strep throat. That one

> >scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

> >using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

> >back up with probiotics, etc.

>

> There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>

> >Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

> >building her back up.

>

> and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>

> >I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

> >between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

>

> You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> your thinking

>

> >I feel they

> >both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

> >too.

>

> allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

> fights the body and does not cure.

> homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

> dissipate a disturbance and heal.

> or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them,

even

> without homeopathy.

>

> Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri, you sound very knowledgeable about this type of stuff, do you have a

website, I would love to learn more about homeopathy and natural remedies,

I wanted to kick myself today for not stopping by the health food store for

more homeopathic, but my daughter was so sick and so tired that I just went

straight home, plus I wouldn't have known which kinds to buy anyway, I

would've had to come home and look online first.

I will be watching you and your posts, if you haven't had to use drugs in

36 years, then I want to learn what you are doing, because that is my

ultimate goal, to get me and my kids off of all synthetic stuff and only

take natural stuff, my husband thinks I am crazy, but I am out to prove him

wrong! I agree with you, I agree that the body can heal itself in many

cases and that fear is what rules my decisions most of the time.

I look forward to more advice from you, do you have any " alternative " or

holistic board that you have as well where we could discuss this further?

Thanks

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:30 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Yes, there are no guarantees for anything - but I want to live long

and healthy and active and have done that very successfully in my 58

years and also helped my many patients and students and listmembers

over the years to do the same, avoiding any drugs at all.

Sheri

>listowner

[Guest guest]

Can I ask what is Constitutional?

Thanks

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of wharrison@...

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:54 PM

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Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

I'll probably try to figure out the constitutional myself. Last time I took

my son to a homeopath, he picked the same remedy I did! I might go back

there again, though. This ND I don't think does constitutional but he does

other wonderful things.

Winnie

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am very interested in all of that can you send me some stuff?

I didn't know to avoid fruits when sick? I did make her a homemade smoothie

with all the fruits in it tonight, that is who I hid the Oil of Oregano

tonight from her :-)

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of email4ebay2005

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:20 PM

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Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Have you looked in the raw diet, lots of greens and lit fruits, nuts

and seeds. Look it up there are so many testimonials of healings.

In my own case it has helped me greatly but I have not done it 100%

yet still eating around 70%. I know of a couple of people that has

cured all sorts of things. My friend who has non hodkins lymphoma

his lab work is almost normal after 10 months full raw and drinking

about 2-4 quarts of veggie smoothies and juicing. I also know of a

couple with a an autistic daugher whose hair was failing off due to

havingt no nutrition and her inability to digest well. after a year ,

its a new child. She gained wt and the whole fam lost allergies, pre-

diabetic conditions etc. Google the raw diet and remember you dont

want to eat high fat either(lots of raw desserts have lots of nuts)

or too much sugar even fruits when there are bacteria or viruses in

the body. I have several web sites if you interested. Also look

into The ph diet esp Dr young his website. GOod luck.

[Guest guest]

At 09:09 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>My fall-back, if complete desperation has set-in for a " dire " need

>for antibiotics, is olive

>leaf extract. I wouldn't do anything more potent or suppressive

>than that, though. DH

>had a staph infection that would've had him in the hospital for a

>week or more on IV

>antibiotics had we taken him in - I've never seen anything more

>awful and we know of a

>guy that had one last year similar if less damaging than Dh's - but

>we didn't. This other

>guy had to go back after his first week in the hospital on iv abx

>b/c he had a severe

>reaction to them and almost died!!! Needless to say, I begged my

>husband to try

>alternative therapy in spite of the similarities to horrible pics

>and stories online he was

>finding indicating his was likely MRSA, etc. Now, almost 2 months

>later he still has scars

>from the 3 holes in his knee that the infection caused. BUT, he

>fought it off with rest,

>water, and olive leaf extract. He, of course, was away on business

>and not in easy access

>to remedies or a homeopath, so we were stuck with herbal

>alternatives. Oh, and he used

>ice packs to counter the horrendous swelling and help pool the

>infection. It's amazing

>what the body can handle, if we'd only let it do it's job! I was so

>proud of him b/c I know

>he was in awful pain, but this was the first time he tried listening

>to me and my

>homeopath/friend instead of running to the doc's office, and he's glad he did.

Thanks so much for sharing that story. This is exactly what you can see!

>I'm starting to get to where I'm actually excited about a high fever

>with my kids (as long as

>it's not for long! ) b/c I know that means their immune system is

>strong. They've both

>recently kicked something with only 12-16 hours of fever each, while

>their friends and

>cousins with similar issues have stayed sick for literally weeks!

Its funny but I always say that to others, myself. I get high fevers

even at 58 years of age if I am sick - fevers in 103 degree range and

even though I feel terrible, I always say that I'm glad my body (in

homeopathy we call it vital force) can mount such a strong defense.

>Good luck, though. It's so hard being a parent and trying to do

>what's " right " for our kids.

Yes it is

>Your her mom, and I also believe that " mommy instinct " will help you

>figure out what's

>best.

Sometimes though it isn't mommy instinct, but fear that has been

programmed into us.

> I hope she gets better soon>

Yes and thanks for sharing that .

Sheri

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for sharing that!

Sheri

At 10:12 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>I've been seeing that w/ my cat. What the body can handle is amazing!

>

>

>

>My cat got in a fight and got an infected scratch on his face. Got one

>behind his ear but couldn't reach it easily. I cleaned both and then applied

>some calendula oil spray.. the one behind his ear healed in less than a

>week.. the one on the face? Took MONTHS b/c he kept scratching it.. it'd

>scab up and he'd scratch it off.. so his face looked rather hideous for a

>long time but it never got infected and it did finally heal. He has a scar

>and is missing about an inch long patch of fur but otherwise is OK.. I was

>on some pet board online and someone's cat got into similar stances.. they

>were badmouthing him fierce for not taking to the vet.. I stayed quiet b/c

>they weren't in a teachable mood but.. what was the point? it never got

>infected, he didn't seem to be in pain.. calendula and time.. why have a big

>vet bill w/ stitches, steroids and who knew what else?

>

>

>

>Anyway.. just want to say what my cats have taught me about the body and its

>healing properties

>

>

>

>Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

>http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

>necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

>

>

>Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

>

>

>Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

>to make them all yourself.

>

>

>My fall-back, if complete desperation has set-in for a " dire " need for

>antibiotics, is olive

>leaf extract.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:32 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Sheri, you sound very knowledgeable about this type of stuff, do you have a

>website, I would love to learn more about homeopathy and natural remedies,

>I wanted to kick myself today for not stopping by the health food store for

>more homeopathic, but my daughter was so sick and so tired that I just went

>straight home, plus I wouldn't have known which kinds to buy anyway, I

>would've had to come home and look online first.

Yes, I have a website but I also teach a class and try to keep the

costs reasonable so people can be empowered to use homeopathy and use

it correctly and successfully

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo2.htm

>

>

>I will be watching you and your posts, if you haven't had to use drugs in

>36 years, then I want to learn what you are doing, because that is my

>ultimate goal, to get me and my kids off of all synthetic stuff and only

>take natural stuff, my husband thinks I am crazy, but I am out to prove him

>wrong! I agree with you, I agree that the body can heal itself in many

>cases and that fear is what rules my decisions most of the time.

>

>

Its hard when you have others interfering

>I look forward to more advice from you, do you have any " alternative " or

>holistic board that you have as well where we could discuss this further?

We have the OT4VAX list for members of this list, for off-vaccine-topic stuff

ot4vax

please join there

Sheri

>Thanks

>

>Mia

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:30 PM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>Yes, there are no guarantees for anything - but I want to live long

>and healthy and active and have done that very successfully in my 58

>years and also helped my many patients and students and listmembers

>over the years to do the same, avoiding any drugs at all.

>Sheri

> >listowner

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:36 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Can I ask what is Constitutional?

>

>Thanks

>

>Mia

She means treating the whole person - finding the one homeopathic

remedy that matches all the chronic symptoms/situation at the present time.

Sheri

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of wharrison@...

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:54 PM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>I'll probably try to figure out the constitutional myself. Last time I took

>my son to a homeopath, he picked the same remedy I did! I might go back

>there again, though. This ND I don't think does constitutional but he does

>other wonderful things.

>

>Winnie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mia,

This is why you need to see or call a Classical Homeopath - if you

can't find one in your area, Sheri can recommend someone that does

phone consults. Things like this (chronic vs. acute) should be

handled by someone who is highly trained in homeopathy. Because your

daughter has been on repeated rounds of antibiotics, has had Motrin or

other fever reducers, and any other suppressive allopathic drugs, her

body is in a tailspin. It wants to rid itself of the toxin and every

time it has tried, it has been suppressed and not allowed to do it's

function. This makes the disturbance go deeper and deeper into the

body, and each time it tries to rid itself it's a worse reaction. Her

body is getting tired and has reached a state of chronic toxicity. A

homeopath would be able to match a remedy (only one remedy at a time)

that most closely matches her WHOLE state of being at the moment

(called " constitutional), and very likely that remedy will change as

she works through the disturbance. Homeopathy often has to peel away

the layers of a disturbance to get to the deep, core problem. This is

not something that you should attempt to do on your own at home,

especially if you haven't had any training at all.

FYI, Sheri offers an excellent class in homeopathy that teaches you

how to treat acutes at home. Her website for that is:

(http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm).

I hope your daughter feels better soon. Good for you Mia, for looking

for a better way for her!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Mia Harrod <miaharrod@...> wrote:

> Well I am fearful because she is always sick. You see this isn’t the first

> time, she has missed over 20 days of school so far this year, I am getting

> warning letters from her school. I suspect that her immune system is NOT

> functioning right because she was just sick 2 ½ weeks ago with strep (that

> is gone now though) and a new bug is taking over, its constantly one thing

> after another, this child has been sick for the last year or two

> constantly, her teacher says she is the only kid in her class that is

> always sick. So I think her immune system isn’t working right.

[Guest guest]

Remind us of where you live.

You really need some help from a homeopath or a

naturopath, to help her get back on her feet.

When drugs are given (and I would suggest even

colloidal silver) that suppress an illness and

aren't curative, the immune system suffers.

The underlying disturbance that causes these

illnesses is what needs to be addressed and that

is very hard to do on your own or on an email list.

I understand your concern.

Sheri

listowner

At 04:02 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Well I am fearful because she is always sick. You see this isn’t the first

>time, she has missed over 20 days of school so far this year, I am getting

>warning letters from her school. I suspect that her immune system is NOT

>functioning right because she was just sick 2 ½ weeks ago with strep (that

>is gone now though) and a new bug is taking over, its constantly one thing

>after another, this child has been sick for the last year or two

>constantly, her teacher says she is the only kid in her class that is

>always sick. So I think her immune system isn’t working right.

>

>How do I fix her immune system ? That is what I am really concerned about.

>Please understand that over the past year she has lost 5 to 7 pounds and

>NOT gained anything. That is a concern. She should be growing and gaining

>weight at 6 years old. Now you can see bones in her ribs and other places,

>this wasn’t the case before, she used to be chubby. That is why I am so

>concerned.

>

>

>

>Her symptoms were just high fever and cough, but now it’s runny and red

>nose too.

>

>Mia

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:18 AM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: RE: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>so what are her symptoms?

>Why are you panicking?

>We do have immune systems to help us get through

>illness, but we have been so programmed with fear

>Of course you can choose what you want for your

>child, but antibiotics cause their own damage.

>

>What are her symptoms?

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:08 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>In my daughter's case I think I have to agree with you, she has been on

>repeated amounts of antibiotics over the last few years, and this would

>probably explain why her

>

>Entire immune system is SHOT. I hate antibiotics, but also I didn't want to

>put my daughter in danger today.

Very probably.

> So we did the xray and the strep throat

>culture again and it was all negative. So we are not on anything right now

>other then I did cave in and give her motrin and cough meds because I ran

>out of the homeopathic stuff that I had here ( am getting more tomorrow

>though). My daughter needed sleep tonight, we were both up most of the

>night last night, so I gave her meds to get her some well needed rest, if I

>had homeopathics here I would have used them instead though.

Could you list her symptoms and everything about each one - what

makes better or worse, what time of day worse

What is her emotional state with this illness

I don't know that I can help just on this email list but can see

Where do you live again?

Sheri

listowner

>Thanks

>

>Mia

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:24 AM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>At 01:10 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

> >Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

> >a life saver.

>

>I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-threatening

>situations.

>Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

>They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

>I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

>And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>

> >The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

> >common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

>

>No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

>

> > Now...,

> >your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

> >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> >this thing before it turns bad.

>

>Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

>

>Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

>symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>

> >There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

> >and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

> >have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

> >fight their illnesses for so long.

>

>????

>

> > And, strep throat. That one

> >scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

> >using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

> >back up with probiotics, etc.

>

>There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

>so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>

> >Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

> >building her back up.

>

>and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>

> >I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

> >between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

>

>You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

>your thinking

>

> >I feel they

> >both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

> >too.

>

>allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

>fights the body and does not cure.

>homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

>dissipate a disturbance and heal.

>or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them, even

>without homeopathy.

>

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

Mia is in Suffolk, VA.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

>

> I don't know that I can help just on this email list but can see

> Where do you live again?

>

> Sheri

> listowner

[Guest guest]

I totally agree Nita - my dogs have been my greatest teachers, and

at the mo, I have a couple of cats teaching me too - they're strays

and I'm feeding them now - one had a big load of fur missing on his

back a while ago, big wound, but as he's a stray and doesn't do

people, all I could do was feed and send Reiki. Yesterday I noticed

fur has grown back - he's all better now, did it himself.

Muriel

>

> I've been seeing that w/ my cat. What the body can handle is

amazing!

>

>

>

> My cat got in a fight and got an infected scratch on his face. Got

one

> behind his ear but couldn't reach it easily. I cleaned both and

then applied

> some calendula oil spray.. the one behind his ear healed in less

than a

> week.. the one on the face? Took MONTHS b/c he kept scratching

it.. it'd

> scab up and he'd scratch it off.. so his face looked rather

hideous for a

> long time but it never got infected and it did finally heal. He

has a scar

> and is missing about an inch long patch of fur but otherwise is

OK.. I was

> on some pet board online and someone's cat got into similar

stances.. they

> were badmouthing him fierce for not taking to the vet.. I stayed

quiet b/c

> they weren't in a teachable mood but.. what was the point? it

never got

> infected, he didn't seem to be in pain.. calendula and time.. why

have a big

> vet bill w/ stitches, steroids and who knew what else?

>

>

>

> Anyway.. just want to say what my cats have taught me about the

body and its

> healing properties

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent summary,

Sheri

At 06:04 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Mia,

>

>This is why you need to see or call a Classical Homeopath - if you

>can't find one in your area, Sheri can recommend someone that does

>phone consults. Things like this (chronic vs. acute) should be

>handled by someone who is highly trained in homeopathy. Because your

>daughter has been on repeated rounds of antibiotics, has had Motrin or

>other fever reducers, and any other suppressive allopathic drugs, her

>body is in a tailspin. It wants to rid itself of the toxin and every

>time it has tried, it has been suppressed and not allowed to do it's

>function. This makes the disturbance go deeper and deeper into the

>body, and each time it tries to rid itself it's a worse reaction. Her

>body is getting tired and has reached a state of chronic toxicity. A

>homeopath would be able to match a remedy (only one remedy at a time)

>that most closely matches her WHOLE state of being at the moment

>(called " constitutional), and very likely that remedy will change as

>she works through the disturbance. Homeopathy often has to peel away

>the layers of a disturbance to get to the deep, core problem. This is

>not something that you should attempt to do on your own at home,

>especially if you haven't had any training at all.

>

>FYI, Sheri offers an excellent class in homeopathy that teaches you

>how to treat acutes at home. Her website for that is:

>(http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm).

>

>I hope your daughter feels better soon. Good for you Mia, for looking

>for a better way for her!

>

>

>

>

>

>On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Mia Harrod <miaharrod@...> wrote:

> > Well I am fearful because she is always sick. You see this isn’t the first

> > time, she has missed over 20 days of school so far this year, I am getting

> > warning letters from her school. I suspect that her immune system is NOT

> > functioning right because she was just sick 2 ½ weeks ago with strep (that

> > is gone now though) and a new bug is taking over, its constantly one thing

> > after another, this child has been sick for the last year or two

> > constantly, her teacher says she is the only kid in her class that is

> > always sick. So I think her immune system isn’t working right.

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

which border is Suffolk near (or is it in the middle)

Sheri

At 06:29 AM 2/27/2009, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>Mia is in Suffolk, VA.

>

>

>

>

>On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I don't know that I can help just on this email list but can see

> > Where do you live again?

> >

> > Sheri

> > listowner

[Guest guest]

Mia, Sheri runs online classes in Homeopathy, some just started,

have a look at her site and see if you can get in one, they're good

and should help you help your daughter more naturally.

Muriel

>

> Sheri, you sound very knowledgeable about this type of stuff, do

you have a

> website, I would love to learn more about homeopathy and natural

remedies,

> I wanted to kick myself today for not stopping by the health food

store for

> more homeopathic, but my daughter was so sick and so tired that I

just went

> straight home, plus I wouldn't have known which kinds to buy

anyway, I

> would've had to come home and look online first.

>

>

>

> I will be watching you and your posts, if you haven't had to use

drugs in

> 36 years, then I want to learn what you are doing, because that is

my

> ultimate goal, to get me and my kids off of all synthetic stuff

and only

> take natural stuff, my husband thinks I am crazy, but I am out to

prove him

> wrong! I agree with you, I agree that the body can heal itself in

many

> cases and that fear is what rules my decisions most of the time.

>

>

>

> I look forward to more advice from you, do you have

any " alternative " or

> holistic board that you have as well where we could discuss this

further?

>

> Thanks

>

> Mia

>

[Guest guest]

My neighbor's lab has had a chronic skin problem for years. I finally convinced

her to stop giving him the garbage supermarket food and try raw hamburger, fresh

food, etc. It cleared up after a few weeks.

BUT then it got too expensive (he's a huge dog) so she went back to giving him

the garbage again and what do you know? The skin problem came back. Yes, I

screamed at her. And also had a talk about never giving him any more vaccines.

Winnie

Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Vaccinations

> I totally agree Nita - my dogs have been my greatest teachers,

> and

> at the mo, I have a couple of cats teaching me too - they're

> strays

> and I'm feeding them now - one had a big load of fur missing on

> his

> back a while ago, big wound, but as he's a stray and doesn't do

> people, all I could do was feed and send Reiki. Yesterday I

> noticed

> fur has grown back - he's all better now, did it himself.

>

> Muriel

>

> >

> > I've been seeing that w/ my cat. What the body can handle is

> amazing!

> >

> >

> >

> > My cat got in a fight and got an infected scratch on his face.

> Got

> one

> > behind his ear but couldn't reach it easily. I cleaned both

> and

> then applied

> > some calendula oil spray.. the one behind his ear healed in

> less

> than a

> > week.. the one on the face? Took MONTHS b/c he kept scratching

> it.. it'd

> > scab up and he'd scratch it off.. so his face looked rather

> hideous for a

> > long time but it never got infected and it did finally heal.

> He

> has a scar

> > and is missing about an inch long patch of fur but otherwise

> is

> OK.. I was

> > on some pet board online and someone's cat got into similar

> stances.. they

> > were badmouthing him fierce for not taking to the vet.. I

> stayed

> quiet b/c

> > they weren't in a teachable mood but.. what was the point? it

> never got

> > infected, he didn't seem to be in pain.. calendula and time..

> why

> have a big

> > vet bill w/ stitches, steroids and who knew what else?

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyway.. just want to say what my cats have taught me about

> the

> body and its

> > healing properties

> >

> >

> >

> > Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

> 9,

> > 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> > http://momof6.dotphoto.com for not

> > necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> >

> >

>

>