Scared now......6 yr old very sick

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In a message dated 2/26/2009 7:29:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

miaharrod@... writes:

I live in Suffolk, VA – I don’t know of any homeopathics in my area though.

I will try to check today. I think the only choice I have is antibiotics.

Mia

I live in Virginia Beach, and I don't know of any around here either. I'm

sure antibiotics will be fine. You know things you can do to return the body.

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My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and so I tried to

cure her “naturally” using homeopathics, she did get well, but now 2 ½

weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs. Now I feel

that I have no other choice but to “give in” and get her some antibiotics.

I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The homeopathics didn’t

work, the Oil of Oregano didn’t either.

I am so scared.

Any Help?

Mia

[Guest guest]

At 09:58 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and so I tried to

>cure her “naturally” using homeopathics, she did get well, but now 2 ½

>weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs. Now I feel

>that I have no other choice but to “give in” and get her some antibiotics.

>I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The homeopathics didn’t

>work, the Oil of Oregano didn’t either.

>

>I am so scared.

>

>Any Help?

>

>Mia

Mia

Where do you live?

It has to the be right remedy, in the right

potency, in the right dose, in the right way.

If you haven't taken a class in homeopathy it

sounds like you need help - where do you live?

Can you see a homeopath?

Sheri

>

[Guest guest]

I live in Suffolk, VA – I don’t know of any homeopathics in my area though.

I will try to check today. I think the only choice I have is antibiotics.

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:00 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

At 09:58 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and so I tried

to

>cure her “naturally” using homeopathics, she did get well, but now 2 ½

>weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs. Now I feel

>that I have no other choice but to “give in” and get her some antibiotics.

>I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The homeopathics didn’t

>work, the Oil of Oregano didn’t either.

>

>I am so scared.

>

>Any Help?

>

>Mia

Mia

Where do you live?

It has to the be right remedy, in the right

potency, in the right dose, in the right way.

If you haven't taken a class in homeopathy it

sounds like you need help - where do you live?

Can you see a homeopath?

Sheri

[Guest guest]

If you're doing the homeopathy on your own, and you're nervous it's not working,

I wouldn't play around with it. I do antibiotics for strep. Do what you feel is

right.

Winnie

Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

> At 09:58 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

> >My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and

> so I tried

> to

> >cure her “naturally” using homeopathics, she did get well, but

> now 2 ½

> >weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs.

> Now I feel

> >that I have no other choice but to “give in” and get her some

> antibiotics.>I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The

> homeopathics didn’t

> >work, the Oil of Oregano didn’t either.

> >

> >I am so scared.

> >

> >Any Help?

> >

> >Mia

>

> Mia

> Where do you live?

> It has to the be right remedy, in the right

> potency, in the right dose, in the right way.

> If you haven't taken a class in homeopathy it

> sounds like you need help - where do you live?

> Can you see a homeopath?

> Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

a life saver.

The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

this thing before it turns bad.

There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

back up with probiotics, etc.

Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

building her back up.

I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

too.

I hope your little on is better soon!

Colleen~

>

> My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and so I

tried to

> cure her " naturally " using homeopathics, she did get well, but now

2 ½

> weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs. Now

I feel

> that I have no other choice but to " give in " and get her some

antibiotics.

> I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The homeopathics

didn't

> work, the Oil of Oregano didn't either.

>

> I am so scared.

>

> Any Help?

>

> Mia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, I have an appt today at 2pm to get her on some antibiotics, do

you know which antibiotics DO NOT have fluoride in them though, I know that

some of them do.

Mia

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From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of Colleen

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:11 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

a life saver.

The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

this thing before it turns bad.

There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

back up with probiotics, etc.

Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

building her back up.

I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

too.

I hope your little on is better soon!

Colleen~

[Guest guest]

Pick up a copy of the physicians desk reference at your local drug store. It is

only 7 or 8 dollars.

It will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know in simple to understand language,

it will specifically tell you about the relationship with drugs and children.

Sounds like you could use some solid and factual information.

In fact a good idea would be to take it with you to the doctor. You both can

look up the drugs he wants to give, and you can also find out what the

ingredients are.

Jim

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From: Mia Harrod <miaharrod@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:37:37 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Thank you, I have an appt today at 2pm to get her on some antibiotics, do

you know which antibiotics DO NOT have fluoride in them though, I know that

some of them do.

Mia

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations] On

Behalf Of Colleen

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:11 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

a life saver.

The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

this thing before it turns bad.

There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

and that is with my kids (with bad infections.. .pneumnonia though we

have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

back up with probiotics, etc.

Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

building her back up.

I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

too.

I hope your little on is better soon!

Colleen~

[Guest guest]

so what are her symptoms?

Why are you panicking?

We do have immune systems to help us get through

illness, but we have been so programmed with fear

Of course you can choose what you want for your

child, but antibiotics cause their own damage.

What are her symptoms?

Sheri

At 12:28 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>I live in Suffolk, VA ­ I don’t know of any homeopathics in my area though.

>

>I will try to check today. I think the only choice I have is antibiotics.

>

>Mia

>

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of Sheri Nakken

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:00 AM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>At 09:58 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

> >My 6 year old daughter is very sick. She had strep throat and so I tried

>to

> >cure her “naturally” using homeopathics, she did get well, but now 2 ½

> >weeks later the infection has spread into her chest and lungs. Now I feel

> >that I have no other choice but to “give in” and get her some antibiotics.

> >I hate antibiotics, but what choices do I have? The homeopathics didn’t

> >work, the Oil of Oregano didn’t either.

> >

> >I am so scared.

> >

> >Any Help?

> >

> >Mia

>

>Mia

>Where do you live?

>It has to the be right remedy, in the right

>potency, in the right dose, in the right way.

>If you haven't taken a class in homeopathy it

>sounds like you need help - where do you live?

>Can you see a homeopath?

>Sheri

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:56 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>If you're doing the homeopathy on your own, and you're nervous it's

>not working, I wouldn't play around with it. I do antibiotics for strep.

Why do you do antibiotics for so-called strep?

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

February 18 & 19

[Guest guest]

At 12:44 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>

>In a message dated 2/26/2009 7:29:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>miaharrod@... writes:

>

>I live in Suffolk, VA ­ I don’t know of any

>homeopathics iin my area though.

>

>I will try to check today. I think the only choice I have is antibiotics.

>

>Mia

>

>

>

>

>I live in Virginia Beach, and I don't know of any around here either. I'm

>sure antibiotics will be fine. You know things

>you can do to return the body.

There is no guarantee of that.

How do we know what is removed in the body that is necessary, with antibiotics?

There is a 3rd choice - allow the body to heal

itself - depends though on her symptoms

Vitamin C - did you work with that?

Food? Fluids?

Sheri

>

>

>Holly

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At 01:10 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

>a life saver.

I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-threatening

situations.

Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

>common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

> Now...,

>your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

>you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

>illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

>probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

>this thing before it turns bad.

Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

>and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

>have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

>fight their illnesses for so long.

????

> And, strep throat. That one

>scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

>using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

>back up with probiotics, etc.

There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

>building her back up.

and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

>between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

your thinking

>I feel they

>both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

>too.

allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

fights the body and does not cure.

homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

dissipate a disturbance and heal.

or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them, even

without homeopathy.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

February 18 & 19

[Guest guest]

At 01:37 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>Thank you, I have an appt today at 2pm to get her on some antibiotics, do

>you know which antibiotics DO NOT have fluoride in them though, I know that

>some of them do.

>

>Mia

Again, what her symptoms? Don't just do this out of fear. Same fear

that makes people vaccinate

(anything with fluor in the name has fluoride)

Sheri

>

>

> _____

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

>Behalf Of Colleen

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:11 AM

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

>a life saver.

>

>The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

>common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

>your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

>you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

>illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

>probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

>this thing before it turns bad.

>

>There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

>and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though we

>have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

>fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

>scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

>using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

>back up with probiotics, etc.

>

>Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

>building her back up.

>

>I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

>between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

>both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

>too.

>

>I hope your little on is better soon!

>

>Colleen~

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, strep is one that you can't really play around with! Good Luck!

From: Mia Harrod <miaharrod@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 7:37 AM

Thank you, I have an appt today at 2pm to get her on some

antibiotics, do

you know which antibiotics DO NOT have fluoride in them though, I know that

some of them do.

Mia

_____

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations] On

Behalf Of Colleen

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:11 AM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

a life saver.

The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

this thing before it turns bad.

There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

and that is with my kids (with bad infections.. .pneumnonia though we

have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

back up with probiotics, etc.

Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

building her back up.

I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

too.

I hope your little on is better soon!

Colleen~

[Guest guest]

Good question. Probably irrational leftover fears, combined with ND's

recommendations. It's been quite a few years since we've had it in the family.

One son had horrible behavioral problems from it that stopped immediately with

the penicillin. It affected his brain, or so I'm told. I might do it differently

now, at the very least it wouldn't be the first thing I'd try. But bacterial

infections make me nervous. Pneumonia is the other thing I use them for.

Winnie

Re: RE: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

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> At 12:56 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

> >If you're doing the homeopathy on your own, and you're nervous

> it's

> >not working, I wouldn't play around with it. I do antibiotics

> for strep.

>

>

> Why do you do antibiotics for so-called strep?

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> February 18 & 19

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Sheri - panic over the healing process (i.e. " being

sick " ) is something that's been programmed in us. The body is having

the " sickness " because it is expelling toxins. It's doing what it's

supposed to be doing to heal itself.

Over the course of the last eight months I've gotten really afraid and

very apprehensive of using antibiotics. Honestly, that would be my

absolute last resort. Through some observations been able to make I

believe there is a strong association in the use of antibiotics - even

very infrequent use - and asthma. Not to mention they cause a lot of

other harm. Several mothers in my circle have used abx with their

children and noticed onset of asthma shortly thereafter. Even my own

ten-month-old is having some asthma symptoms that I believe are

stemmed from my use of abx while nursing. I have calls in to

homeopaths right now to find the right one to work with my son, and I

pray they can undo the damage I unintentionally caused him.

You certainly have every right to have your daughter treated with

whatever method you feel most comfortable, but do examine your

motives. Being sick sucks... and watching our children be sick sucks

even worse. But in order for true healing to take place - rather than

just suppressing the disburbance even deeper - the body NEEDS to go

through the " sick " process. I put " sick " in quotes, because it's

actually a healing process. I think a lot of times when our kids are

sick it's harder on the parents than the kids!

Anyway, I wish you luck. And I do highly suggest finding a homeopath.

Sheri has a very good one that can do phone consults, too. I will be

calling him to work with my son if I don't find a homeopath locally

that I like. If you do the abx route, please still consider using a

homeopath for the " aftermath " of the abx (although would be better if

you don't have any " aftermath " to worry about).

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

> I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-threatening

> situations.

> Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

> They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

> I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

[Guest guest]

At 04:00 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>I agree, strep is one that you can't really play around with! Good Luck!

And why do you all think that?

Sheri

>

>From: Mia Harrod <miaharrod@...>

>Subject: RE: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>Vaccinations

>Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 7:37 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thank you, I have an appt today at 2pm to get her on

> some antibiotics, do

>

>you know which antibiotics DO NOT have fluoride in them though, I know that

>

>some of them do.

>

>

>

>Mia

>

>

>

>_____

>

>

>

>From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations@

>groups. com] On

>

>Behalf Of Colleen

>

>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:11 AM

>

>Vaccinations

>

>Subject: Re: Scared now......6 yr old very sick

>

>

>

>Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they are

>

>a life saver.

>

>

>

>The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

>

>common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc. Now...,

>

>your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep, and

>

>you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

>

>illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

>

>probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

>

>this thing before it turns bad.

>

>

>

>There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

>

>and that is with my kids (with bad infections.. .pneumnonia though we

>

>have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let them

>

>fight their illnesses for so long. And, strep throat. That one

>

>scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

>

>using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

>

>back up with probiotics, etc.

>

>

>

>Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

>

>building her back up.

>

>

>

>I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

>

>between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere. I feel they

>

>both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

>

>too.

>

>

>

>I hope your little on is better soon!

>

>

>

>Colleen~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has it been diagnosed as strep yet? I've gone to Ped. to get dx and

then home to done remedies, never needing to fill that prescription

(but I had it just in case). Most often has been Belladonna for true

strep, which was also right for my children's constitutions as an

acute. Miraculous turnarounds happened before my eyes. That evolved

into never needing to go to any office. It may be another remedy

depending on what is happening in your case of course.

I agree with Sheri, don't be afraid, the right remedy and potency can

resolve it.

In your experience here Winnie, I'm sure the penicillin combated

something and made that change...but as you know, not the same as

resolving the reason for it and that cause can linger in the

background and pop up elsewhere when treated suppressively. I've

given remedies to many with pneumonia who drastically recovered

almost overnight, after they had been on 3-4 different rounds of

antibiotics. They're never worth it to me

Liz

> > >If you're doing the homeopathy on your own, and you're nervous

> > it's

> > >not working, I wouldn't play around with it. I do antibiotics

> > for strep.

> >

> >

> > Why do you do antibiotics for so-called strep?

> > Sheri

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales

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[Guest guest]

I think you're right. I've always had problems with this particular child.

Cannot figure him out for the life of me. I had him to a homeopath which helped

for a time but it's up and down with him. And now he's 13--yikes! I actually

have an appointment with my naturopath next week for the first time in years to

give him a big " tune-up. "

Winnie

> In your experience here Winnie, I'm sure the penicillin combated

> something and made that change...but as you know, not the same

> as

> resolving the reason for it and that cause can linger in the

> background and pop up elsewhere when treated suppressively.

> Liz

[Guest guest]

SHERI,

It seems you are very against antibiotics, in every way? I am not

totally for them, but I think there are some instances that they can

SAVE YOUR LIFE? You seem to have only negative comments, but no

productive advice on something (a remedy) that would work???

I would love to here how to cure and assist the body in fighting

massive infections, etc. without the need for any antibiotics. I am

not being sarcastic, I am truely inquiring...

" I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use. "

Do you have any info on the autism issue? Seriously, I would like to

read into this, a bit more. I have also, seen children regress

on " REPEATED " anitibiotic use. Anything used in massive amounts is

bad, of course.

" No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all. "

If you were to barely survive a car crash and have gaping wounds left

open, that became infected or contact MRSA...would you turn down the

use of antibiotics? Just curious what you would do in this

situation...

MY comment...

Now, your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the

strep, and

> >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> >this thing before it turns bad.

>

Your comment...

> " Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

>

> Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there. "

" " " Think like this???? " " "

There are many articles and news to back up my " Thinking like this " .

In many cases, untreated strep throat can lead to tonsillitis, otitis

and scarlet fever. On the premises of a weak immune system, the

infection can even become systemic, affecting the body on multiple

levels. I guess I must have conjured up false thoughts on this

one...hehe....just for the fun of it. I never said " cure " , but my

statement, is more on the lines of " take care of this " before it gets

worse?

" There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> so little about the immune system and how to fix things "

There are NO GUARANTEES...and that goes for anything for the most

part, including natural remedies or antibiotics.

" " You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> your thinking " "

Sure feels like flame to me:)

Colleen~

> >Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they

are

> >a life saver.

>

>

> I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-

threatening

> situations.

> Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

> They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

> I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

>

>

> >The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

> >common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

>

> No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

>

> > Now...,

> >your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep,

and

> >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> >this thing before it turns bad.

>

>

> Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

>

> Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

>

>

> >There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

> >and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though

we

> >have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let

them

> >fight their illnesses for so long.

>

> ????

>

> > And, strep throat. That one

> >scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

> >using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

> >back up with probiotics, etc.

>

> There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> so little about the immune system and how to fix things

>

>

> >Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

> >building her back up.

>

> and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

>

> >I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

> >between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

>

>

> You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> your thinking

>

> >I feel they

> >both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

> >too.

>

>

> allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

> fights the body and does not cure.

> homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

> dissipate a disturbance and heal.

> or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them,

even

> without homeopathy.

>

>

>

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> February 18 & 19

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:57 PM 2/26/2009, you wrote:

>SHERI,

>

>It seems you are very against antibiotics, in every way? I am not

>totally for them, but I think there are some instances that they can

>SAVE YOUR LIFE? You seem to have only negative comments, but no

>productive advice on something (a remedy) that would work???

They are only necessary in life-saving situations and most of us have

never been there yet.

I have gotten no symptoms from her to help find a remedy

I have asked many times in emails - 'what are her symptoms'.

You can't find the right remedy unless you have a symptom picture.

I also suggested Vitamin C.

So, if she would write back and give symptoms, we could help her.

We don't know what her symptoms are and if she is in a life and death

situation.

>I would love to here how to cure and assist the body in fighting

>massive infections, etc. without the need for any antibiotics. I am

>not being sarcastic, I am truely inquiring...

What would you label as a massive infection?

The body, in most cases, cures itself with rest and fluids.

Sometimes it needs help with Vitamin C, homeopathic remedies or other

therapies such as acupuncture, etc.

> " I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use. "

>

>Do you have any info on the autism issue? Seriously, I would like to

>read into this, a bit more.

Only my observations - patients and reading hundreds of stories from

all of you on all the email lists I am on.

Repeated stories for those with autism and NOT vaccinated (and they

are much fewer in number than with autism and vaccinated) ---

repeated stories of antibiotics while pregnant, during delivery,

post-delivery during breast feeding and/or given to the infant or

repeated frequently in infancy and toddlerhood.

> I have also, seen children regress

>on " REPEATED " anitibiotic use. Anything used in massive amounts is

>bad, of course.

>

> " No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all. "

>

>If you were to barely survive a car crash and have gaping wounds left

>open, that became infected or contact MRSA...would you turn down the

>use of antibiotics?

Is that what we are talking here with this 6 yo?

I have already said in 'life-threatening " situations that may have to be used.

But first I choose the above methods..............and just because

wounds are gaping does not mean infection

And with MRSA I would use IV vitamin C as there is very little other

treatment available as it is antibiotic-resistant

>Just curious what you would do in this

>situation...

>

>MY comment...

> Now, your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the

>strep, and

> > >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> > >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> > >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> > >this thing before it turns bad.

> >

>

>Your comment...

> > " Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

> >

> > Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> > symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there. "

>

> " " " Think like this???? " " "

>

>There are many articles and news to back up my " Thinking like this " .

>In many cases, untreated strep throat can lead to tonsillitis, otitis

>and scarlet fever.

And how many cases of untreated so-called strep throat have not lead

to the above.

How many cases of sore throat (that may be diagnosed by a doctor as

strep) have been cured with homeopathy? Huge numbers

> On the premises of a weak immune system, the

>infection can even become systemic, affecting the body on multiple

>levels. I guess I must have conjured up false thoughts on this

>one...hehe....just for the fun of it. I never said " cure " , but my

>statement, is more on the lines of " take care of this " before it gets

>worse?

Taking care of is not cure. I look for cure. Antibotics and other

drugs are suppressive.

I have NOT taken an antibiotic for 36 years or more (I'm 58) - ever

since I found out that there were other ways - that we have immune

systems and there are alternative methods.

> " There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> > so little about the immune system and how to fix things "

>

>There are NO GUARANTEES...and that goes for anything for the most

>part, including natural remedies or antibiotics.

>

> " " You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> > your thinking " "

>

>Sure feels like flame to me:)

>

>Colleen~

Yes, there are no guarantees for anything - but I want to live long

and healthy and active and have done that very successfully in my 58

years and also helped my many patients and students and listmembers

over the years to do the same, avoiding any drugs at all.

Sheri

>listowner

>

>

> > >Personally, I would go the antibiotics route. When needed...they

>are

> > >a life saver.

> >

> >

> > I would suggest that antibiotics are only needed in life-

>threatening

> > situations.

> > Everyone has gotten so used to just using them.

> > They are immune suppressing and cause their own harm also.

> > I personally think they are implicated, also, in autism.

> > And I have seen children regress with repeated antibiotic use.

> >

> >

> > >The problem has always been with the overuse of antibiotics, for

> > >common ailments, which in turn has caused superbugs, etc.

> >

> > No, the problem has been antibiotic use at all.

> >

> > > Now...,

> > >your child may have a " superbug " infection along with the strep,

>and

> > >you don't want this to turn into scarlet fever (a post strep throat

> > >illness), or pneumonia. Not to meantion, she is only 6, and she is

> > >probably very uncomfortable, not feeling well, and you need to kick

> > >this thing before it turns bad.

> >

> >

> > Oh I'm so sorry to so many of you think like this.

> >

> > Kicking something is not the same as cure - it is only stopping

> > symptoms and what caused it to begin with is still there.

> >

> >

> > >There are only a couple illnesses when I will turn to antibiotics,

> > >and that is with my kids (with bad infections...pneumnonia though

>we

> > >have not had any)...they are so little, and I don't like to let

>them

> > >fight their illnesses for so long.

> >

> > ????

> >

> > > And, strep throat. That one

> > >scares me, and I feel the recourse of not treating, is worse than

> > >using the antibiotics, then working on building the immune system

> > >back up with probiotics, etc.

> >

> > There is no guarantee that you can counteract and rebuild. We know

> > so little about the immune system and how to fix things

> >

> >

> > >Let her get the antibiotics, and then work on the probiotics and

> > >building her back up.

> >

> > and how do you know you actually are replacing what has been taken?

> >

> > >I may get flamed for this, but I believe that there is a medium

> > >between homopathy and traditional medicine, somewhere.

> >

> >

> > You are not getting flamed - just trying to show some challenges to

> > your thinking

> >

> > >I feel they

> > >both have their places in our lives...taditional medicine can help,

> > >too.

> >

> >

> > allopathic medicine stops symptoms - suppresses symptoms - actually

> > fights the body and does not cure.

> > homeopathy works with symptoms to help them do their job - to

> > dissipate a disturbance and heal.

> > or just allowing the body to have symptoms and go through them,

>even

> > without homeopathy.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sheri

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> > February 18 & 19

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My fall-back, if complete desperation has set-in for a " dire " need for

antibiotics, is olive

leaf extract. I wouldn't do anything more potent or suppressive than that,

though. DH

had a staph infection that would've had him in the hospital for a week or more

on IV

antibiotics had we taken him in - I've never seen anything more awful and we

know of a

guy that had one last year similar if less damaging than Dh's - but we didn't.

This other

guy had to go back after his first week in the hospital on iv abx b/c he had a

severe

reaction to them and almost died!!! Needless to say, I begged my husband to try

alternative therapy in spite of the similarities to horrible pics and stories

online he was

finding indicating his was likely MRSA, etc. Now, almost 2 months later he

still has scars

from the 3 holes in his knee that the infection caused. BUT, he fought it off

with rest,

water, and olive leaf extract. He, of course, was away on business and not in

easy access

to remedies or a homeopath, so we were stuck with herbal alternatives. Oh, and

he used

ice packs to counter the horrendous swelling and help pool the infection. It's

amazing

what the body can handle, if we'd only let it do it's job! I was so proud of

him b/c I know

he was in awful pain, but this was the first time he tried listening to me and

my

homeopath/friend instead of running to the doc's office, and he's glad he did.

I'm starting to get to where I'm actually excited about a high fever with my

kids (as long as

it's not for long! ) b/c I know that means their immune system is strong.

They've both

recently kicked something with only 12-16 hours of fever each, while their

friends and

cousins with similar issues have stayed sick for literally weeks!

Good luck, though. It's so hard being a parent and trying to do what's " right "

for our kids.

Your her mom, and I also believe that " mommy instinct " will help you figure out

what's

best. I hope she gets better soon>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, things can take time to figure out for sure. Compared to

alternatives (meaning conventional ) this treatment has been a

blessing at every stage for 13 years now. Great! - make sure the ND

is doing constitutional.

Liz

>

> I think you're right. I've always had problems with this particular

child. Cannot figure him out for the life of me. I had him to a

homeopath which helped for a time but it's up and down with him. And

now he's 13--yikes! I actually have an appointment with my naturopath

next week for the first time in years to give him a big " tune-up. "

>

> Winnie

>

>

> > In your experience here Winnie, I'm sure the penicillin combated

> > something and made that change...but as you know, not the same

> > as

> > resolving the reason for it and that cause can linger in the

> > background and pop up elsewhere when treated suppressively.

>

> > Liz

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been seeing that w/ my cat. What the body can handle is amazing!

My cat got in a fight and got an infected scratch on his face. Got one

behind his ear but couldn't reach it easily. I cleaned both and then applied

some calendula oil spray.. the one behind his ear healed in less than a

week.. the one on the face? Took MONTHS b/c he kept scratching it.. it'd

scab up and he'd scratch it off.. so his face looked rather hideous for a

long time but it never got infected and it did finally heal. He has a scar

and is missing about an inch long patch of fur but otherwise is OK.. I was

on some pet board online and someone's cat got into similar stances.. they

were badmouthing him fierce for not taking to the vet.. I stayed quiet b/c

they weren't in a teachable mood but.. what was the point? it never got

infected, he didn't seem to be in pain.. calendula and time.. why have a big

vet bill w/ stitches, steroids and who knew what else?

Anyway.. just want to say what my cats have taught me about the body and its

healing properties

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

My fall-back, if complete desperation has set-in for a " dire " need for

antibiotics, is olive

leaf extract.

[Guest guest]

Strep throat is caused by a bacterium called group A streptococcus or

more formally Streptococcus pyogenes. Of course, this is if you

believe that bacteria can cause disease. If you don't you can stop

reading now.

Scarlet fever is caused by the same group A steptococus but in this

case the bacteria have an added toxins, called pyrogenic erythrogenic

toxins, that are absent in strains that only cause strep throat. The

toxins are responsible for the diffuse rash and fever associated with

scarlet fever in addition to the pharyngitis.

If left untreated, the bacteria can cause laryngitis, bronchitis and

acute glomerulonephritis (infection of the kidneys which can lead to

kidney failure and sepsis which could be fatal). In most cases, the

immune system is capable of destroying the bacteria on it's own but in

the process produces antibodies that attack the heart muscle/valves

and joints( rheumatic fever). Rheumatic fever is more common in

children ages 6-15. The damaged heart can lead to endocarditis and/or

heart problems later in life. Heart failure and death can occur in

middle age.

Strep throat should be treated with antibiotics to prevent the

formation of these autoantibodies and thus prevent rheumatic fever.

The antibiotic of choice is penicillin which targets peptidoglycan in

the bacterial cell wall and causes the bacteria to explode.

Peptidoglycan is unique to bacteria cells and not present in the human

body, thus there is minimal toxicity to us. Since the exploded

bacteria are dead, the antibiotic does indeed cure the infection.

Penicillin can target the Gram positive bacteria in the gut and vagina

and lead to imbalance of the normal biota, but this easily recovers

after treatment or if you wish, by taking probiotic capsules. Some

people have allergy to penicillins, and in that case erythromycin or

cephalosporin antibiotics are the drug of choice. These drugs are a

little more toxic, but are better than dying from anaphylactic shock

if allergic to penicillin or damaging your heart by not treating the

strept throat.

There are two published studies that indicate vitamin C does improve

the outcome of strep infection compared to treating with antibiotics

alone. I don't have access to the complete report and haven't read

them, but I include them for completeness. Please note that rom the

abstracts, the studies compare antibiotics plus vit C and antibiotics

alone, but not just vit C alone.

Ahmed J, Zaman MM, Ali SM. Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2004;13(3):226-30.

Ahmed J, Zaman MM, Ali K. Mymensingh Med J. 2003 Jul;12(2):120-3.

I just wanted members to have the complete information about strep

throat before they decide to ignore it and let the body heal itself.

gr8blessings