Re: Sherri -- question on immunities

[Guest guest]

I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine first came

out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or not so

they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong immunity " .

I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says but as I

understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong immunity "

does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know what I'm

trying to get out?

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Where did you get the titre test?

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From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:54:40 AM

Subject: RE: Sherri -- question on immunities

I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine first came

out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or not so

they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong immunity " .

I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says but as I

understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong immunity "

does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know what I'm

trying to get out?

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6. dotphoto. com <http://momof6. dotphoto. com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot. blogspot. com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discover ytoyslink. com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

Where did you get the titre test?

________________________________

From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:54:40 AM

Subject: RE: Sherri -- question on immunities

I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine first came

out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or not so

they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong immunity " .

I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says but as I

understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong immunity "

does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know what I'm

trying to get out?

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

http://momof6. dotphoto. com <http://momof6. dotphoto. com/> for not

necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot. blogspot. com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discover ytoyslink. com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

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Always gone to the lab.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

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necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

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to make them all yourself.

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At 03:20 PM 2/17/2009, you wrote:

>I've been reading what you've written about how they show that

>immunity has taken place and I understand.

>

>I had all my shots as a baby (my mom STILL thinks I'm crazy) and when

>I got pregnant a few months ago, was tested to see if I was still

>immune to rubella and such. The answer was " yes. " How do tests show

> " immunity " many years down the road?

They aren't showing immunity if it is from the vaccines - antibodies

only mean exposure when comes to vaccine exposure.

Antibodies after having the illness does mean immunity because the

whole immune system was activated and antibodies are one part of that.

With a vaccine the whole immune system is NOT activated so there

cannot be true immunity. Yes, there may be antibody titres but they

don't mean immunity if the whole immune system is not

activated. They are only one part of the immune system.

You could have had rubella illness that resulted in antibodies, but

we don't know now.

> I guess I don't quite understand

>how our bodies keep the titres so long, or if titres really even matter?

No, they don't matter if it is after vaccines

>Please explain, thanks!

Does that help?

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

>

> They aren't showing immunity if it is from the vaccines - antibodies

> only mean exposure when comes to vaccine exposure.

> Antibodies after having the illness does mean immunity because the

> whole immune system was activated and antibodies are one part of that.

>

>Hi Sheri,

Is there any other tests that can check whether a person had a

particular disease? Are presence of antibodies the only way? I have

suspicion that i had natural rubella but i also had MMR so there is no

way to check the difference in my blood?

Thanks,

Katarina

[Guest guest]

I might be wrong but suspect what they call titers - and what those

tests show, is really a pathological imprint, damage or response from

a vax which stays in the body. Sometimes it heals/corrects and

so 'titer/immunity' is 'gone'. Booster shots are probably gauged

according to experiments of how long bodies generally make this

correction after each shot/poison-pathogen concoction.

Liz

-- In Vaccinations , " Venita Garner " <nitagarner@...>

wrote:

>

> I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine

first came

> out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or

not so

> they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong

immunity " .

>

>

>

> I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says

but as I

> understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong

immunity "

> does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

> something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know

what I'm

> trying to get out?

>

>

>

> Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

9,

> 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

>

>

>

> Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

>

>

> Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

enough

> to make them all yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Then I'd like to know, how do I make this " titre/immunity " go away?

And how do I go about getting my daughter exposed to these illnesses

while she's young and will fight them off easily? A few non-vaxing

friends have discussed " pox parties " but our kids are never sick!

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

Baby #2 due 7-26-09

> >

> > I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine

> first came

> > out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or

> not so

> > they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong

> immunity " .

> >

> >

> >

> > I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says

> but as I

> > understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong

> immunity "

> > does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

> > something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know

> what I'm

> > trying to get out?

> >

> >

> >

> > Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

> 9,

> > 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> > http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> > necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> >

> >

> >

> > Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

> >

> >

> > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

> enough

> > to make them all yourself.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, makes sense to that point. Eventually this circus calms down by

miracle of the body over years - and/or settles into deeper pathology

I'm sure more often.....then, it's time for a booster!

Thanks,

Liz

> > >

> > > I've always passed my rubella tests too and when the CP vaccine

> >first came

> > > out, I was pregnant and we were wanting to know if I was immune or

> >not so

> > > they ran a titre test then too and it came back with " strong

> >immunity " .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I'd be interested to run a titre test on peter to see what his says

> >but as I

> > > understand it from studying about pet vaccines too even a " strong

> >immunity "

> > > does not necessarily mean anything to it, just that the shot did do

> > > something .. it's a little fuzzy now.. maybe someone else can know

> >what I'm

> > > trying to get out?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11,

> > 9,

> > > 7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

> > > http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

> > > necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

> > >

> > >

> > > Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long

> >enough

> > > to make them all yourself.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >