Hello?

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where is everyone today?

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In a message dated 04/02/2000 4:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Harlemgirl02@... writes:

<< where is everyone today? >>

the egroups website is not accessible cuz they are redoing it so all folks

who read the messages on the web only and do not get email, cannot yet read

any messages since yesterday morning

Barb

who is anxiously waiting to sub a member for my other egroups list

:::sigh:::

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yeah i know what u mean

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Gosh I know what you mean...I just started a new list there the day before yesterday and now I can't go and approve anyone!! eGroups said yesterday that it woud be up last night and I go check today and now they are saying tonight...If I go there tonight or tomorrow and they say the next day I will be really ticked off!!!

Re: hello?

In a message dated 04/02/2000 4:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harlemgirl02@... writes:<< where is everyone today? >>the egroups website is not accessible cuz they are redoing it so all folks who read the messages on the web only and do not get email, cannot yet read any messages since yesterday morningBarbwho is anxiously waiting to sub a member for my other egroups list:::sigh:::------------------------------------------------------------------------As Deb has said: "Fitness is a journey and it begins with the first step."Visit our new vault site http://taeboon.isportsdot.com/

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Hi ! There's a few of us here. I think everyone else was in

Denver!! What's Annie doing that looks like ADHD not OCD??

> Glory be, I'm out here alone and can't communicate! Help!

> For some reason I have not been getting mail from the list. It's

been a long,

> lonely week! So this is kind of a test message.

> We took Annie to the psychiatrist this morning to try to

sort out what

> is going on. He is leaning toward diagnosing her with ADHD as well

as OCD,

> but first we're going to try to lower her Luvox (we just got it up

to a level

> where it was working...) to see if her behavior this summer is a

BSE of the

> meds. If it's not one thing, it's another. We get the OCD under

control and

> all kinds of other problems burst out.

> I'm very glad there are others on this list dealing with

both OCD and

> ADHD. The pdoc hinted that it can be pretty tricky finding a

combination of

> meds that helps both simultaneously. (Any advice would be

appreciated) I'm

> hoping that lowering the Luvox levels will return her to her usual

> manageably-ADHD self, the one that makes other parents stare at her

in

> amazement, but still can handle having her around.

> O.K. Did you get this post????

>

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Dear Joni,

Thank you for your uplifting reply! I agree that bad OCD is the pits. It is unbelievably FRUSTRATING to have a child who won't do something and there is no logical explanation, and no way in **** that you can talk them out of their fears. The "I'm going to throw up! This time I really am!!!" phase is NOT one I hope to ever revisit. And yes, kids generally love to be around Annie because she is so full of wild (and always parentally unapproved of) ideas. But we've gone over the edge this summer so we have to rein her in a bit. I think it's too much Luvox (when we upped her Paxil last year she climbed out on the roof - 2nd story - at night. Gulp). I'm glad to be back in communication!

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Hi, !

I got your post. I don't have any advise regarding meds for OCD and

ADHD, but I just wanted to let you know I got your post. Good luck

with the confusing med situation and keep us posted on Annie's

progress.

Melinda S.

Dallas

> Glory be, I'm out here alone and can't communicate! Help!

> For some reason I have not been getting mail from the list. It's

been a long,

> lonely week! So this is kind of a test message.

> We took Annie to the psychiatrist this morning to try to

sort out what

> is going on. He is leaning toward diagnosing her with ADHD as well

as OCD,

> but first we're going to try to lower her Luvox (we just got it up

to a level

> where it was working...) to see if her behavior this summer is a

BSE of the

> meds. If it's not one thing, it's another. We get the OCD under

control and

> all kinds of other problems burst out.

> I'm very glad there are others on this list dealing with

both OCD and

> ADHD. The pdoc hinted that it can be pretty tricky finding a

combination of

> meds that helps both simultaneously. (Any advice would be

appreciated) I'm

> hoping that lowering the Luvox levels will return her to her usual

> manageably-ADHD self, the one that makes other parents stare at her

in

> amazement, but still can handle having her around.

> O.K. Did you get this post????

>

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,

You have my support and SYMPATHY about the ADHD/OCD diagnosis.

(18) has just dropped out of high school (!!!) because 'the

classes are too BORING' and 'I can't stand it, Mom... It's HELL for

me to sit in those 2 hour classes, and.. You CANT make me go!!'

ugh. And, he's right. At 18, I can't make him return to school for

his senior year in Sept. and I'm totally disappointed. So, I've

given him an ultimatum: No school/GED= no more free room and board

at MY house. So, he's got to at least get his GED. If he refuses to

do that-- he can't live here anymore. (Well, I'm hoping this will

work!)

But, here's a little good news for you: was such a FUN kid.

He's got so many friends who LOVE and ADORE him. It's his eNeRgY and

High Enthusiasm and ZEST for life!!! It's been ALOT easier raising

him than it has been raising his little brother (10) with just

OCD. At least with the ADHD, they're out of the house, playing and

having the time of their lives. Maybe just a little more than we'd

like, but that zest for life is contagious! And, with an ironic

twist of fate, was always the son that I worried about the

most - yet, the mild OCD (and anxiety) that he's got keeps him VERY

cautious behind the wheel. Funny, but just a few years ago, when he

was riding a bike, I'd be beside myself with worry because he was so

hYpEr, he wouldn't look both ways and he'd dart out in front of on-

coming traffic!! He has truly surprised me with how cautious and

responsible a driver he is!! Wow... it's a miracle!

Be glad you caught this early. refuses to take meds for his

ADHD/OCD and he won't go to therapy. This is because when we tried

the meds, he HATED that 'medicine head feeling' because it slowed him

down.

Now that he's a teenager, he seems more bipolar than ADHD (a catch-

all diagnosis for children). Many of his friends have seen his wild

mood swings and think the same. We're watching him for bipolar and

told him that help is always available if/when he feels himself

spinning out of control and that 'it' (whatever 'it' is) is

controlling HIM, instead of him controlling it. He said, 'thanks,

but I'm in control.'

Anyway, I smiled when I read your post. Annie must be a delight. I

actually miss the younger cRaZy wild-child because in contrast

to his little brother (with OCD), OCD is such a BUMMER!!! I'm

really not doing well being the supportive parent that I should be

with . He's NOT fun and he's always so afraid of such STUPID

things. At least with , I'd be laughing at his silly hyperness-

- the way he'd climb up to the highest tree branch and couldn't get

down. Or the way he had me so terrified when I took him rock

climbing in the mountains and he was jumping from rock to rock on the

side of a cliff - thousands of feet in the air. (!!) My heart never

stopped pounding with THAT kid!!! Now, it's just plain BROKEN and

DEPRESSED with .

Have fun with Annie. She sounds like a very cool kid.

Joni (who would take 10 kids w/ ADHD over 1 kid with OCD anyday!)

> Glory be, I'm out here alone and can't communicate! Help!

> For some reason I have not been getting mail from the list. It's

been a long,

> lonely week! So this is kind of a test message.

> We took Annie to the psychiatrist this morning to try to

sort out what

> is going on. He is leaning toward diagnosing her with ADHD as well

as OCD,

> but first we're going to try to lower her Luvox (we just got it up

to a level

> where it was working...) to see if her behavior this summer is a

BSE of the

> meds. If it's not one thing, it's another. We get the OCD under

control and

> all kinds of other problems burst out.

> I'm very glad there are others on this list dealing with

both OCD and

> ADHD. The pdoc hinted that it can be pretty tricky finding a

combination of

> meds that helps both simultaneously. (Any advice would be

appreciated) I'm

> hoping that lowering the Luvox levels will return her to her usual

> manageably-ADHD self, the one that makes other parents stare at her

in

> amazement, but still can handle having her around.

> O.K. Did you get this post????

>

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Hi , You aren't alone....maybe everyone who went

to the conference is too OCD'ed out to post right now!

I hear you loud and clear about the combo of AD/HD

and OCD. My son (now 8) has both and his meds are

Prozac, Concerta and Buspar. Paxil, which is usually

sedating made him so hyper that I feared for his life

(really). Celexa did nothing at all and prozac so far

has worked really well. We decided to try Buspar for

his lingering anxiety and he has had a much better

time of it. It could be that the Luvox is too

energizing for her. It is really scary for me having

a hyper, impulsive child around that has to be watched

every minute. I hope for all your sakes that you cant

find out how to treat Annie medically sooner rather

than later. Best wishes, in Southeastern PA

--- xslav@... wrote:

> Glory be, I'm out here alone and can't communicate!

> Help!

> For some reason I have not been getting mail from

> the list. It's been a long,

> lonely week! So this is kind of a test message.

> We took Annie to the psychiatrist this

> morning to try to sort out what

> is going on. He is leaning toward diagnosing her

> with ADHD as well as OCD,

> but first we're going to try to lower her Luvox (we

> just got it up to a level

> where it was working...) to see if her behavior this

> summer is a BSE of the

> meds. If it's not one thing, it's another. We get

> the OCD under control and

> all kinds of other problems burst out.

> I'm very glad there are others on this list

> dealing with both OCD and

> ADHD. The pdoc hinted that it can be pretty tricky

> finding a combination of

> meds that helps both simultaneously. (Any advice

> would be appreciated) I'm

> hoping that lowering the Luvox levels will return

> her to her usual

> manageably-ADHD self, the one that makes other

> parents stare at her in

> amazement, but still can handle having her around.

> O.K. Did you get this post????

>

>

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Big Laugh, ! Thanks, I needed that! (18) used

to 'balcony hop' and climb out on the roof too. When I was going

thru' this terror, I didn't think it was so funny. My heart never

stopped racing over the DANGER my son always got himself into! But,

honestly, I only WISH would freaking DANCE on the

rooftops!!! Jump from the highest mountain!! Or, like his

brother used to, get jiggy with it and play chicken with the cars on

his bike!!! PLEASE!!! SOMETHING!! ANYTHING other than sitting in

the house asking me a billion times if I put poison in his food!!!

Damn--- last night after I sent my post, I told him: 'Yep, I DID put

poison in your food. I guess you're gonna croak now!!! Let's go

pick out your casket. Where do you want to be buried? Oh, and by

the way, you've been poisoned your whole life. See that sofa? It's

poisoned. See the carpet-- yep, poisoned, too. In fact, I wash your

clothes in POISON!!! So, you're WEARING poison! Oh, and I breast-fed

you for TWO whole years-- and yep, you guessed it, I was poisoning

you back then too!! It's a miracle that you are still here!!! "

Welllllll.... naturally he didn't see the humor in it. At least ADHD

has a sense of humor! In fact, ADHD IS Humorous. But, OCD ---

wellllll.... forget it. He came after me and tried to CHOKE me when

I said that stuff! He threw things at me, called me names that NO

ONE has ever called me before (the kind that make your hair stand up

on your head) and if that wasn't bad enough, he started throwing

stuff at me. My husband just sat there! He didn't do a damn thing!!!

I went upstairs and locked the door. I told my husband--->YOU DEAL

WITH HIM. I'm through.

Ugh. I'm so tired of OCD I could scream.

Joni

> Dear Joni,

> Thank you for your uplifting reply! I agree that bad OCD is

the pits.

> It is unbelievably FRUSTRATING to have a child who won't do

something and

> there is no logical explanation, and no way in **** that you can

talk them

> out of their fears. The " I'm going to throw up! This time I really

am!!! "

> phase is NOT one I hope to ever revisit. And yes, kids generally

love to be

> around Annie because she is so full of wild (and always parentally

unapproved

> of) ideas. But we've gone over the edge this summer so we have to

rein her in

> a bit. I think it's too much Luvox (when we upped her Paxil last

year she

> climbed out on the roof - 2nd story - at night. Gulp).

> I'm glad to be back in communication!

>

[Guest guest]

Big Laugh, ! Thanks, I needed that! (18) used

to 'balcony hop' and climb out on the roof too. When I was going

thru' this terror, I didn't think it was so funny. My heart never

stopped racing over the DANGER my son always got himself into! But,

honestly, I only WISH would freaking DANCE on the

rooftops!!! Jump from the highest mountain!! Or, like his

brother used to, get jiggy with it and play chicken with the cars on

his bike!!! PLEASE!!! SOMETHING!! ANYTHING other than sitting in

the house asking me a billion times if I put poison in his food!!!

Damn--- last night after I sent my post, I told him: 'Yep, I DID put

poison in your food. I guess you're gonna croak now!!! Let's go

pick out your casket. Where do you want to be buried? Oh, and by

the way, you've been poisoned your whole life. See that sofa? It's

poisoned. See the carpet-- yep, poisoned, too. In fact, I wash your

clothes in POISON!!! So, you're WEARING poison! Oh, and I breast-fed

you for TWO whole years-- and yep, you guessed it, I was poisoning

you back then too!! It's a miracle that you are still here!!! "

Welllllll.... naturally he didn't see the humor in it. At least ADHD

has a sense of humor! In fact, ADHD IS Humorous. But, OCD ---

wellllll.... forget it. He came after me and tried to CHOKE me when

I said that stuff! He threw things at me, called me names that NO

ONE has ever called me before (the kind that make your hair stand up

on your head) and if that wasn't bad enough, he started throwing

stuff at me. My husband just sat there! He didn't do a damn thing!!!

I went upstairs and locked the door. I told my husband--->YOU DEAL

WITH HIM. I'm through.

Ugh. I'm so tired of OCD I could scream.

Joni

> Dear Joni,

> Thank you for your uplifting reply! I agree that bad OCD is

the pits.

> It is unbelievably FRUSTRATING to have a child who won't do

something and

> there is no logical explanation, and no way in **** that you can

talk them

> out of their fears. The " I'm going to throw up! This time I really

am!!! "

> phase is NOT one I hope to ever revisit. And yes, kids generally

love to be

> around Annie because she is so full of wild (and always parentally

unapproved

> of) ideas. But we've gone over the edge this summer so we have to

rein her in

> a bit. I think it's too much Luvox (when we upped her Paxil last

year she

> climbed out on the roof - 2nd story - at night. Gulp).

> I'm glad to be back in communication!

>

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Who there....

-- hello?

ok.... no mail from lists I'm on for fullmail is coming through... anyone else out there?

Knock...knock??

Terri

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I'm here. Happy Mom's day to you too.

Maybe we should start talking about politics. That usually generates

a lot of traffic.

Seriously though, I broke my toe a couple of days ago, but other than

that . . . Well, there is one other thing - - I've stopped taking

that nasty Verapamil. When they reset my device, the doc told me to

cut the dose in half which I did for a month. But I quit this week.

I can't stand the stuff any more. It wiped out my energy and it gave

me fat ankles but it didn't help my heart symptoms at all. So wish

me luck.

Bridget

> Is it just me or is there a problem on our list......no emails for

over

> 24hours. Hope everyone is okay and no one in the way of the

tornado's. Also

> wishing all of you other " Mothers " (be nice Bill)

> a Happy Day on Sunday.

>

>

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... I've been wondering the same thing... I guess w/spring and

all that goes w/it we're just a bit more preoccupied else where...

w/me it's the g'kids after school activities ... w/both parents

working I'm elected taxi driver

'wishing all the moms here a very Happy Mother's Day!!!

BTW, Bridget... does doc know you've quit you med entirely? or is he

under impression you're still taking 1/2 the amount? ...

something 'bout medicating ourselves that worries me to no end... I'm

all for taking charge of our conditions, but I like coming to an

understanding w/my docs after engaging in an exchange of opionions

and concerns ... I'd never self medicate... just my 2 cents worth.

JES in NJ hoping all in the mid-western part of the states are out of

harms way.

> Is it just me or is there a problem on our list......no emails for

over

> 24hours. Hope everyone is okay and no one in the way of the

tornado's. Also

> wishing all of you other " Mothers " (be nice Bill)

> a Happy Day on Sunday.

>

>

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As many times as i've been called a MOTHER, i've never gotten a gift...

Happy Mothers Day to all the real Mothers.

Jerry in Ohio

Re: Hello?

... I've been wondering the same thing... I guess w/spring and all that goes w/it we're just a bit more preoccupied else where... w/me it's the g'kids after school activities ... w/both parents working I'm elected taxi driver 'wishing all the moms here a very Happy Mother's Day!!!BTW, Bridget... does doc know you've quit you med entirely? or is he under impression you're still taking 1/2 the amount? ... something 'bout medicating ourselves that worries me to no end... I'm all for taking charge of our conditions, but I like coming to an understanding w/my docs after engaging in an exchange of opionions and concerns ... I'd never self medicate... just my 2 cents worth.JES in NJ hoping all in the mid-western part of the states are out of harms way.> Is it just me or is there a problem on our list......no emails for over > 24hours. Hope everyone is okay and no one in the way of the tornado's. Also > wishing all of you other "Mothers" (be nice Bill)> a Happy Day on Sunday.> > Please visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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Bridget,

Sorry to hear about the toe. Is it slowing you down at all? As to the meds, please be careful. From my own personal experiences.... sometimes we don't think something is having any positive affect and then we find out in a painful way.

Take care of yourself,

[Guest guest]

Hi JES,

I think being a taxi driver to my kids burned me out. Now my D has a boyfriend and some of it is off my shoulders....Yeah! They are lucky to have you though. Every year at this time does seem to get busy with summer and the end of the school year approaching. Hope you have a nice Mother's Day.

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Happy Mother's Day everyone. Love TURK

Re: Hello?

... I've been wondering the same thing... I guess w/spring and all that goes w/it we're just a bit more preoccupied else where... w/me it's the g'kids after school activities ... w/both parents working I'm elected taxi driver 'wishing all the moms here a very Happy Mother's Day!!!BTW, Bridget... does doc know you've quit you med entirely? or is he under impression you're still taking 1/2 the amount? ... something 'bout medicating ourselves that worries me to no end... I'm all for taking charge of our conditions, but I like coming to an understanding w/my docs after engaging in an exchange of opionions and concerns ... I'd never self medicate... just my 2 cents worth.JES in NJ hoping all in the mid-western part of the states are out of harms way.> Is it just me or is there a problem on our list......no emails for over > 24hours. Hope everyone is okay and no one in the way of the tornado's. Also > wishing all of you other "Mothers" (be nice Bill)> a Happy Day on Sunday.> > Please visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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>

> BTW, Bridget... does doc know you've quit you med entirely? or is

he

> under impression you're still taking 1/2 the amount? ...

> something 'bout medicating ourselves that worries me to no end...

I'm

> all for taking charge of our conditions, but I like coming to an

> understanding w/my docs after engaging in an exchange of opionions

> and concerns ... I'd never self medicate... just my 2 cents worth.

>

I do it pretty often but this time he said eventually he would take

me off it entirely, I'm just speeding up the process. The ONLY

reason I was on it was to suppress improper 'therapy'. Since they

reprogrammed my ICD, I really don't need it anymore. And I feel SO

much better with all that fluid out of my system.

I have in the past changed my meds against a doctors wishes though.

I don't recommend it for everyone, but if you do all the research,

sometimes it's the most effective way to change a doctor's mind. I

was on Lipitor and my hands were getting so weak that I was having

problems sewing. My GP flat out refused to address the issue and I

wasn't seeing my Cardio at the time. I did the research, found out

that the Lipitor was the likely culprit and stopped it myself. I

told her flat out, that if my cholesterol went up, I'd find a way to

solve the problem. And I did. Oats and psyllium do exactly the same

thing as the Lipitor did for me, only without the side effects.

Another thing, I adjust myself is my Asthma meds. Certain times of

the year I need more and I take more, other times I need less so I

take less. Although that I have a doctor's blessing on. They have

all pretty much admitted that I know what I'm doing with my asthma.

Haven't had an ER worthy attack in many years now.

So, no, I don't recommend you all start fiddling with your meds. But

do take the time to do some research about them all and what side

effects they may be causing and what alternatives are available.

Bridget

[Guest guest]

> Bridget,

>

> Sorry to hear about the toe. Is it slowing you down at all?

No, not really. It's just annoying. It's my little toe and being a

barefoot baby all my life, I've done it before. So I'm use to it.

But this is the first time I've done it since I was put on blood

thinners so I have to keep an eye on the bruising. So far, so good.

Bridget

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Kerrie-

I am so sorry, I don't remember reading anything about thyroid and your job.

Please repost the thyroid questions. , Bridget's mom recently posted

some info on thyroid levels. Maybe she can help.

I am sorry about your job, sounds like it is one of the phase out

situations. Always rough to hear, especially at this time of year. We will

keep you in our prayers.

Sharon H.

Mom to , (12, DS) and , (8)

South Carolina

Hello?

> K, didnt get any responses to my thyroid question. or any responses about

> losing my job in the next 24 months. did anyone see my email?

>

> kinda feel invisible i guess and a little depressed.

>

> oh well.

>

> kerrie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Is anybody out there? Is everyone excited that school is out or

almost out?

> My girls just have finals this week and then they are done. Not

sure im

> excited about it or not LOL

>

> Shaye

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just do it .

Shaye

Im just an aunt who babysits. how in the world do you parents do it???

[Guest guest]

School getting out doesn't affect me.LOL My monkeys are home all the time no

matter what...the joys of living on the funny farm with 4 dogs..Three of

which are 2 years old or YOUNGER! OMG! Never again!!! LOL I think I have a

bald spot starting from them.

~Shyra A.

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Is anybody out there? Is everyone excited that school is out or almost out?

My girls just have finals this week and then they are done. Not sure im

excited about it or not LOL