Group members' husband to start asking questions

[Guest guest]

One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

(yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

to help this family.

She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

read that info

We need your help

sheri

listowner

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19

[Guest guest]

Awesome Sheri! Can't wait to hear from him. Thanks for the heads-up.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

> One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

> (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

> order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

>

> Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

>

> Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

> to help this family.

> She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

> read that info

>

> We need your help

> sheri

> listowner

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I'm a very concerned " new " father of a 8 month old boy that thinks my wife is

taking a very dangerous risk with our childs life (by not vaccinating). Yes the

risk of him being exposed to the " virus(s) etc.. " may be small, but the

consequence of " our " (her) decision could be astronomical!

In my opinion some of the research she has provided for me to dispute " the

vaccination question/debate " just isnt creditable. From what I have researched

myself I believe that both anitvaccination and provaccination people are using

the same data/studies to base their arguments. And yes i do understand that

these studies are funded and performed by pro-vaccine industries. Thats why I

have to ask how can the anti vaccine community interpret these same studies in

their favor? Again i do realize that some of these studies are sponsored by pro

vacc industries, so i'm not arguing that these studies are totally legit.

Again I'm a concerned father, not a guy trying to " pick a fight "

ps. I'm a microbiology major not an english major so please forgive all my

misspelling, grammar etc. mistakes:)

>

> One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

> (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

> order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

>

> Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

>

> Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

> to help this family.

> She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

> read that info

>

> We need your help

> sheri

> listowner

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

> Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Shaun for coming on the list

And yes it is scary when we don't have all the information.

#1 there is no proof that vaccines give immunity - they use

antibodies after the vaccine to prove their vaccines give immunity

but they do not prove immunity - antibodies are only one part of the

immune system and if the immune system is not stimulated in the

normal way by the disease, they are not an indication of immunity. I

will send more.

#2 - there is much harm with each vaccine, being injected in,

bypassing the normal route the disease would entire - in most cases

by mouth and nose. There are at least 2 aspects to the immune system

- TH1 and TH2 - vaccines bypass TH1 and therefore a full immune

response is not generated

#3 - the key also is to learn about each disease and the reality of

the disease, the true risk of even 'catching' it and the risk if you

do 'catch' it - and then also knowing the treatment that is

available. You have to look at each disease separately in order to

make an educated decision.

And you have to look at each study and examine it carefully -

sometimes that is hard for laypeople, so we have to rely on some

medical experts that we have that are concerned about vaccines.

How much have you read? Have you read any of the books by

Neustaedter, Neil Z. , Dr. Sherri Tenpenny or watched any of

the DVD's out there? That would be a start. Also I have an online

email class that you and your wife could take and read

together. There I share tons of information including research

documents that show the danger. Also have another class that teaches

about each disease with a vaccine associated with it so that you lose

the fear of it or the fear is lessened.

Each vaccine is so deleterious to the immune system.

At this point in time I know thousands of unvaccinated children

through this and other lists, my classes and as patients. They are

the healthiest children I have ever seen (I'm a peds nurse and am 58

years old). I worked in PEDS before many of the vaccines were even

out. I lived thru the 50's and acquired many of the diseases without

harm, as did all my peers and relatives. My mom also is a peds nurse.

I came to see children get sicker and sicker and then started to hear

about problems with vaccines in the early 80's and decided to look

further and today after much research I know vaccines to not give

immunity and know them to be very dangerous.

You have to read and read and read until your eyes close. You have

to look behind each news story and who has what to gain.

You have to look at each disease. It is very hard work. You have to

become an expert.

I'm so glad that you care enough to look at this.

What diseases are you concerned about specifically? Please ask lots

of questions. Everyone here will learn along with you and many here

are very knowledgable and have been where you are.

yes the consequences of your decision could be astronomical - and

that includes getting the vaccines.

What diseases are you specifically fearful of at this point?

Welcome

Sheri

listowner

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes March 18 & 19

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm or

http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

At 03:54 AM 3/19/2009, you wrote:

>Hello,

>

>I'm a very concerned " new " father of a 8 month old boy that thinks

>my wife is taking a very dangerous risk with our childs life (by not

>vaccinating). Yes the risk of him being exposed to the " virus(s)

>etc.. " may be small, but the consequence of " our " (her) decision

>could be astronomical!

>

>In my opinion some of the research she has provided for me to

>dispute " the vaccination question/debate " just isnt creditable. From

>what I have researched myself I believe that both anitvaccination

>and provaccination people are using the same data/studies to base

>their arguments. And yes i do understand that these studies are

>funded and performed by pro-vaccine industries. Thats why I have to

>ask how can the anti vaccine community interpret these same studies

>in their favor? Again i do realize that some of these studies are

>sponsored by pro vacc industries, so i'm not arguing that these

>studies are totally legit.

>

>Again I'm a concerned father, not a guy trying to " pick a fight "

>

>ps. I'm a microbiology major not an english major so please forgive

>all my misspelling, grammar etc. mistakes:)

[Guest guest]

Please go to the following websites:

nvic.org

generationrescue.org

thoughtfulhouse.org

russellblaylockmd.com

autismmedia.org - has lots of videos by respected researchers/doctors on what

the ingredients in vaccines do to our children

These are the first places to research off the top of my head. All the websites

have links to scientific research. There are many of us living with children who

have been damaged by vaccines. My vaccinated son recently came down with

whooping cough, which he was fully vaccinated for. How did the vaccine help him?

He has asthma which complicated the whooping cough. Did you know there is a

recent study out from Canada that determined just delaying the Dtap vaccine by 2

months (ie giving it starting at 4 mo vs 2 mo) reduced the incidence of asthma

diagnoses in children by 50%? Whooping cough is one acute incidence in a child's

life. Asthma is lifelong and very life threatening. Just ask my son! How many

times have we rushed him to the ER in his 10 yrs I can't count.

Please please please, read everything you can get your hands on. Read the book,

Evidence of Harm, by Kirby. Learn what is actually in the vaccines you propose

your child get and learn what those toxins are considered to do to the human

body. We will give you the research, but you must do the learning. Good luck and

congratulations on your baby.

Mom to Will, ADHD, Asperger's, asthma, hypothyroidism, learning disabilities,

vision problems, chronic immune dysfunction, chronic gastrointestinal

dysfunction, mild hypotonia, and more..

> >

> > One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

> > (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> > He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

> > order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

> >

> > Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

> >

> > Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

> > to help this family.

> > She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

> > read that info

> >

> > We need your help

> > sheri

> > listowner

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

> > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I understand your concern. I have to say, though, I never once looked a

study when I came to my decision to stop vaccinating. That happened after my son

had a reaction. You don't want that to happen to your son, too.

You don't need studies to use your common sense that it's dangerous to inject

babies with toxins. Read the vaccine ingredients. I don't care how many people

tell you that it prevents disease. That is beside the point. They are still

toxins. Period. (http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf)

Second, there are really two issues: effectiveness and safety. Safety to me is

the important one. Ever vaccine carries the risk of death. Do the numbers really

matter when you're playing Russian Roulette?

Over time the effectiveness issue has faded for me. I don't believe they're

effective but I'm sure you believe they are for the most part or you wouldn't be

asking questions. If you want to spend time on studies that say they are, you

lose sight of the more important issue of safety. It's really difficult to focus

on the safety issues when it's clouded with doubt over what you think you're

giving up in terms of effectiveness. Know that the effectiveness is questionable

but the safety problems are not.

Last, think of whether you had all these vaccines children get today. There are

around 50 given by age 6 for many, many diseases--even ones that most people

consider fairly benign (chicken pox). The sheer number of vaccines should make

you question the judgment of those who are selling ANY of them to you. Be

careful about putting your faith in the statistics of studies done by those who

profit by your children being vaccinated.

I, too, was scared to stop vaccinating my children but the alternative was to

harm them further. So, the choice was clear but not easy to take the plunge

into. It was not a restful time, let me tell you. It took years before I was

totally comfortable with it. Where I am now with it is that if my child were to

come down with an infectious disease there is a vaccine for, it would never

enter my mind that a vaccine would have made a difference. Zero guilt. It comes

with experience and time, and seeing your children grow up fine without

vaccines.

So, I would say forget the numbers. Either vaccines work or they don't. Either

they're safe or they're not. Pick which is more important to you, safety or

effectiveness because in weighing one against the other, there is no in between.

Not sure if I'm explaining that clearly, but to me it doesn't make sense to give

up safety to keep them safe.

Winnie

Re: Group members' husband to start asking questions

Vaccinations

> Hello,

>

> I'm a very concerned " new " father of a 8 month old boy that

> thinks my wife is taking a very dangerous risk with our childs

> life (by not vaccinating). Yes the risk of him being exposed to

> the " virus(s) etc.. " may be small, but the consequence of " our "

> (her) decision could be astronomical!

>

> In my opinion some of the research she has provided for me to

> dispute " the vaccination question/debate " just isnt creditable.

> From what I have researched myself I believe that both

> anitvaccination and provaccination people are using the same

> data/studies to base their arguments. And yes i do understand

> that these studies are funded and performed by pro-vaccine

> industries. Thats why I have to ask how can the anti vaccine

> community interpret these same studies in their favor? Again i

> do realize that some of these studies are sponsored by pro vacc

> industries, so i'm not arguing that these studies are totally

> legit.

>

> Again I'm a concerned father, not a guy trying to " pick a fight "

>

> ps. I'm a microbiology major not an english major so please

> forgive all my misspelling, grammar etc. mistakes:)

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > One of our list members has asked permission of me for her

> skeptical

> > (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> > He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough

> and in

> > order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

> >

> > Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

> >

> > Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth

> knowledge

> > to help this family.

> > She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he

> will

> > read that info

> >

> > We need your help

> > sheri

> > listowner

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine

> Dangers &

> > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18

> & 19

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome. It is very difficult at first to understand and believe since

we have been told the opposit our whole lives. I started reading about vaccines

while pregnant. One of the first things I read was about the polio vaccine

being cultured in monkey kidneys and that the vaccines were contaminated with an

SV-40 virus which is still causing many cancers today....well, this was enough

to make me think that antivax people were crazy and that I couldn't believe that

people would believe these science fiction stories. Well, turns out it was

true! It was also crazy for me to learn that there were all other sorts of

animals and aborted human fetuses used to make vaccines. Then there are the

very dangerous chemicals and heavy metals used to stimulate your immune system

and brain just for the sake of getting the body to make antibodies, which as

mentioned before, does not mean immunity.

The diseases we are so fearful of are pretty much harmless in healthy children

(measles, chicken pox, mumps, rubella, whooping cough.) My mom and her siblings

had all of them and they were fine, no medical intervention needed, just rest.

If you really study the cases where these diseases can turn deadly, basically

all of them had an underlying disease or there was medical intervention where

drugs were administered. Disregard all the stats that come from third world

countries, that is a totally different situation, their living conditions and

nutrition are so poor.

Other diseases like meningitis, well thos are scary and this one really stumped

me for a long time. Came to learn meningitis from all causes is 5 times more

common in vaccinated children, the meningitis vaccines increase susceptibility

of meningitis for the first couple weeks after administration, and that because

of these vaccines, more deadly bacteria strains are emerging (like MRSA.) The

stats may show that the bacteria strains in the vaccines are less prevalent now,

other strains not in the vaccines are more prevalent, more total disease. Plus,

they never even kept statistics before the vaccine, they are just guesses, they

cannot possibly know if the vaccine is really working or not.

Just keep studying and keep learning.

My husband grew up in India and he was not vaccinated for anything and did get

some of the childhood diseases with no problems. His brother got all the

vaccines, and also got all the diseases and also suffered from severe eczema his

whole life until he was cured with homeopathy. His brother tested positive for

TB even with vaccine when he came to the U.S. where my husband was negative and

never got the vaccine.

With my son, he will be 2 years old next month. He got only a few of the

vaccines at 2 months, which I regret. Last time he went to the doctor was for a

6 month well baby check up. He is the healthiest child I know. He had roseola

at 12 month with a fever lasting only 24 hours and a few weeks ago he had flu or

cold with fever lasting about 36 hours and a very light dry cough, no problems,

no medications, no antibiotics. Other than those two times, he has never been

ill and has no chronic conditions. It is considered normal for a child to be

sick 6 times a year, that would not be a fun childhood.

Your child is 8 months old and unvaccinated, how is your son's health?

Good luck in your learnings,

Vida

> >

> > One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

> > (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> > He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

> > order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

> >

> > Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

> >

> > Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

> > to help this family.

> > She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

> > read that info

> >

> > We need your help

> > sheri

> > listowner

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

> > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Be it simplistic----I have an almost 8 y.o. child totally unvaxxed. Nursed

til he was 2+. He's seen a doctor maybe 3x his whole life. I have a 3.5 y.o.

totally unvaxxed.. also been healthy. Aside from colds. never has seen a

doctor except 1 time for a febrile seizure. I have a 13 month old, hasn't

needed to go see a doctor either.

Compare that to the formula fed, vaxxed infant/child.. can they say the same

thing? I can't even say the same thing about my first.. Vaxxed and both

formula and breast fed.

It's about risk/benefit. My child has very little risk of catching any of

these diseases. The vaccine is more risk. They carry risk. They carry death

as a risk. Whereas most of the diseases that are " vaccine preventable " carry

little risk of death.

I do not fear the disease. When you learn more about each disease and how to

treat it.. you will not find a need to do the vaccines.

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 16, Jon 14, 12, 10,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 1

http://momof6.dotphoto.com <http://momof6.dotphoto.com/> for not

necessarily current pictures

http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

[Guest guest]

I am very impressed and encouraged that you are posing this question here.

I am the mother of a vaccine injured 6 year old boy. I am also the mother of a

100% UNvaccinated 8 month old boy. WHAT A DIFFERENCE.

In a nutshell ... I wouldn't wish my sons journey on anyone and eventhough we've

gone to great legnths to repair the havoc that toxic vaccines caused most of it

is permanant. Rather me rattle off my sons medical history, I concur with pp.

spend some time and read everything you can. Forget the anti / pro stuff if

you can - it is clearly distracting you.

www.autismmedia.org

www.autism.com (Autism Research Institute)

www.generationrescue.org

- google - video clip

The Hidden Truth

And, don't get caught up on " autism " - asthma, allergies, add/hd as well as

j-diabetes, j-rhumatoid arthritis... all in epidemic proportions.

Finally, I was a pre med at U of M - I once thaught and was taught like you. As

I began to research, and probed further into the debate - there is no debate.

There is no such thing as a safe vaccine.

BUT. You must come to your own decision - make it an educated one.

Good luck and thanks for your inquiry - happy reading

other:

Children with starving brains - Jacquelin McCandless MD

Asthma, Allergies, Autism - The new childhoood epidemics - Ken Bock MD

google Dr. Deth, Boyd Haley PhD,

> > >

> > > One of our list members has asked permission of me for her skeptical

> > > (yet respectful) husband to ask questions here.

> > > He doesn't think any of us have researched this well enough and in

> > > order to help her, I have agreed to let him ask questions here

> > >

> > > Emails wll come from Shauna Foley being posted by her husband

> > >

> > > Please be very calm and respectful and share your indepth knowledge

> > > to help this family.

> > > She is also in my vaccine dangers part 1 class but doubts he will

> > > read that info

> > >

> > > We need your help

> > > sheri

> > > listowner

> > >

> > >

> > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers &

> > > Childhood Disease & Homeopathy Email classes start February 18 & 19

> > >

> >

>