Re: New to list----HIB vaccine

February 7, 2009

Hi, Gena. I am stunned that the doctor's solution for asthma in a 3-yr-old is to

give a vaccine which is recommended for an infant. That makes NO sense to me.

Even if your son was a baby, it wouldn't make sense. The Hib vaccine is not an

asthma treatment. You could look here for the vaccine package insert to see what

it's cultured with. I think more than one company makes it:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

What natural medicines have you tried? Are you avoiding dairy completely? Your

son is only three. Mine was three when he had his asthma/wheezing/allergies. It

took time to get him over it--a few years, but the results showed immediately.

It's only been a year for your son, and regardless of whatever natural meds

you've used so far, you've also used many " traditional " meds that can make the

condition worse. If you want to email me off list I can give you more info on

what actually works.

For now, I strongly suggest you find a good naturopath. Where do you live? Your

doctors are not helping, your son is getting worse and they are grasping at

straws.

Winnie

New to list----HIB vaccine

Vaccinations

>

> Hi, I'm new to the

> group and would like to share a bit

> of history before I share what's

> going on at the moment.

> I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> few weeks.

> I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> close to 2

> years. He has never been vaccinated.

> ...Inspite of this, my son

> developed Eczema

> at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> that's natural

> and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> I've

> had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> At around

> 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several

> times...he is

> diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he

> gets a

> cold. (around 4 times so far)

> Fast forward to last weekend. He

> started wheezing and nothing

> would help. I gave him a treatment and

> still didnt' help...ended

> up in the ER. They kept him on the

> breathing treatment for

> one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> streroids, then another

> treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> pneumonia. Then

> a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> hospital.

> Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> consider

> the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> So, here I am...seeing about it.

> My son has some

> senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> and other things. I don't

> think his little system could handle

> the vaccine. But, he is not

> handling real life, either. And all

> the " natural " stuff

> just does not work half the time.

> So, with all that said, I'm

> researching the HIB vaccine, per

> my husbands request, wanting to

> honor him.

> Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> cultured with?

> Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> gena

>

February 7, 2009

Pesticides can be an asthma trigger for some.

Any exposure to lawn chemicals, agricultural pesticides, or indoor

pesticides?

Or harsh cleaning chemicals?

From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On

Behalf Of wharrison@...

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:00 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: New to list----HIB vaccine

Hi, Gena. I am stunned that the doctor's solution for asthma in a 3-yr-old

is to give a vaccine which is recommended for an infant. That makes NO sense

to me. Even if your son was a baby, it wouldn't make sense. The Hib vaccine

is not an asthma treatment. You could look here for the vaccine package

insert to see what it's cultured with. I think more than one company makes

it:

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

What natural medicines have you tried? Are you avoiding dairy completely?

Your son is only three. Mine was three when he had his

asthma/wheezing/allergies. It took time to get him over it--a few years, but

the results showed immediately. It's only been a year for your son, and

regardless of whatever natural meds you've used so far, you've also used

many " traditional " meds that can make the condition worse. If you want to

email me off list I can give you more info on what actually works.

For now, I strongly suggest you find a good naturopath. Where do you live?

Your doctors are not helping, your son is getting worse and they are

grasping at straws.

Winnie

New to list----HIB vaccine

Vaccinations <mailto:Vaccinations%40>

>

> Hi, I'm new to the

> group and would like to share a bit

> of history before I share what's

> going on at the moment.

> I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> few weeks.

> I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> close to 2

> years. He has never been vaccinated.

> ...Inspite of this, my son

> developed Eczema

> at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> that's natural

> and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> I've

> had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> At around

> 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several

> times...he is

> diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he

> gets a

> cold. (around 4 times so far)

> Fast forward to last weekend. He

> started wheezing and nothing

> would help. I gave him a treatment and

> still didnt' help...ended

> up in the ER. They kept him on the

> breathing treatment for

> one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> streroids, then another

> treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> pneumonia. Then

> a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> hospital.

> Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> consider

> the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> So, here I am...seeing about it.

> My son has some

> senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> and other things. I don't

> think his little system could handle

> the vaccine. But, he is not

> handling real life, either. And all

> the " natural " stuff

> just does not work half the time.

> So, with all that said, I'm

> researching the HIB vaccine, per

> my husbands request, wanting to

> honor him.

> Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> cultured with?

> Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> gena

>

February 7, 2009

Hi Winnie,

Well the Doc said it was not too late...

She actually recommended it because of the

pneumonia and sinusitis. I just didn't know

that much about it to say anything.

I will email you off list...I would love to

know what works!

Thanks, gena

-- In Vaccinations , wharrison@... wrote:

>

> Hi, Gena. I am stunned that the doctor's solution for asthma in a

3-yr-old is to give a vaccine which is recommended for an infant. That

makes NO sense to me. Even if your son was a baby, it wouldn't make

sense. The Hib vaccine is not an asthma treatment. You could look here

for the vaccine package insert to see what it's cultured with. I think

more than one company makes it:

>

> http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

>

> What natural medicines have you tried? Are you avoiding dairy

completely? Your son is only three. Mine was three when he had his

asthma/wheezing/allergies. It took time to get him over it--a few

years, but the results showed immediately. It's only been a year for

your son, and regardless of whatever natural meds you've used so far,

you've also used many " traditional " meds that can make the condition

worse. If you want to email me off list I can give you more info on

what actually works.

>

> For now, I strongly suggest you find a good naturopath. Where do you

live? Your doctors are not helping, your son is getting worse and they

are grasping at straws.

>

> Winnie

>

> New to list----HIB vaccine

> Vaccinations

>

> >

> > Hi, I'm new to the

> > group and would like to share a bit

> > of history before I share what's

> > going on at the moment.

> > I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> > few weeks.

> > I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> > method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> > close to 2

> > years. He has never been vaccinated.

> > ...Inspite of this, my son

> > developed Eczema

> > at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> > that's natural

> > and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> > I've

> > had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> > better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> > At around

> > 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several

> > times...he is

> > diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he

> > gets a

> > cold. (around 4 times so far)

> > Fast forward to last weekend. He

> > started wheezing and nothing

> > would help. I gave him a treatment and

> > still didnt' help...ended

> > up in the ER. They kept him on the

> > breathing treatment for

> > one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> > streroids, then another

> > treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> > pneumonia. Then

> > a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> > hospital.

> > Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> > consider

> > the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> > So, here I am...seeing about it.

> > My son has some

> > senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> > and other things. I don't

> > think his little system could handle

> > the vaccine. But, he is not

> > handling real life, either. And all

> > the " natural " stuff

> > just does not work half the time.

> > So, with all that said, I'm

> > researching the HIB vaccine, per

> > my husbands request, wanting to

> > honor him.

> > Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> > cultured with?

> > Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> > gena

> >

February 7, 2009

Not to my knowledge..

We only use natural cleaning products.

But, I have been thinking about an air

purifier. Do you think this would help?

Anyone know of a good one to recommend?

Thanks, gena

>

> Pesticides can be an asthma trigger for some.

>

> Any exposure to lawn chemicals, agricultural pesticides, or indoor

> pesticides?

>

> Or harsh cleaning chemicals?

>

> From: Vaccinations

[mailto:Vaccinations ] On

> Behalf Of wharrison@...

> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:00 PM

> Vaccinations

> Subject: Re: New to list----HIB vaccine

>

> Hi, Gena. I am stunned that the doctor's solution for asthma in a

3-yr-old

> is to give a vaccine which is recommended for an infant. That makes

NO sense

> to me. Even if your son was a baby, it wouldn't make sense. The Hib

vaccine

> is not an asthma treatment. You could look here for the vaccine package

> insert to see what it's cultured with. I think more than one company

makes

> it:

>

> http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

>

> What natural medicines have you tried? Are you avoiding dairy

completely?

> Your son is only three. Mine was three when he had his

> asthma/wheezing/allergies. It took time to get him over it--a few

years, but

> the results showed immediately. It's only been a year for your son, and

> regardless of whatever natural meds you've used so far, you've also used

> many " traditional " meds that can make the condition worse. If you

want to

> email me off list I can give you more info on what actually works.

>

> For now, I strongly suggest you find a good naturopath. Where do you

live?

> Your doctors are not helping, your son is getting worse and they are

> grasping at straws.

>

> Winnie

>

> New to list----HIB vaccine

> Vaccinations

<mailto:Vaccinations%40>

>

> >

> > Hi, I'm new to the

> > group and would like to share a bit

> > of history before I share what's

> > going on at the moment.

> > I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> > few weeks.

> > I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> > method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> > close to 2

> > years. He has never been vaccinated.

> > ...Inspite of this, my son

> > developed Eczema

> > at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> > that's natural

> > and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> > I've

> > had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> > better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> > At around

> > 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several

> > times...he is

> > diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he

> > gets a

> > cold. (around 4 times so far)

> > Fast forward to last weekend. He

> > started wheezing and nothing

> > would help. I gave him a treatment and

> > still didnt' help...ended

> > up in the ER. They kept him on the

> > breathing treatment for

> > one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> > streroids, then another

> > treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> > pneumonia. Then

> > a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> > hospital.

> > Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> > consider

> > the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> > So, here I am...seeing about it.

> > My son has some

> > senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> > and other things. I don't

> > think his little system could handle

> > the vaccine. But, he is not

> > handling real life, either. And all

> > the " natural " stuff

> > just does not work half the time.

> > So, with all that said, I'm

> > researching the HIB vaccine, per

> > my husbands request, wanting to

> > honor him.

> > Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> > cultured with?

> > Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> > gena

> >

February 7, 2009

Of course the doctor recommended it. you don't find doctors falling all over

themselves to say 'stay away from vaccines " . keep not doing the vaxxes and

talk to a homeopath for the health issues!

Nita (crew chief) and the crew: 15, Jon 14, 11, 9,

7, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 3 and Isaac, 2/3/08

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necessarily current pictures and http://nitasspot.blogspot.com

Come, PLAY!! http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/nitagarner

Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough

to make them all yourself.

February 8, 2009

Dear ,

Thank you for taking the time to write.

I use Rice Dream for my son when he eats

cold cereal. He doesn't drink milk. But,

I haven't really thought about looking in

hidden forms of milk in products. That would

be hard because it's in bread and lots of things.

(Anybody really strict with this? I would love

to hear your story.)

I do have my son on a probiotic and some cod-liver

oil.

I don't know what else to do...

I know diet has a lot do with it...it's really

hard sometimes.

You gave me some things to think/re-think about.

I, myself love raw milk. I am having some issues,

with head cold...I really didn't think it was the milk,

though.

Thanks, again for your thoughts.....gena

>

> I am not a doctor, homeopath, or a health professional. I am at

times, empathic. When I read your letter my first thought was

completely cut out dairy. I know it is hard. It is is so many

processed foods too. It seems to be in everything. But the dairy is

what creates mucus in our bodies basically. I know I am not saying it

very scientifically or wordily, but it is true that dairy wreaks havoc

on our bodies. Also it came to me that your son may have a yeast/

bacteria imbalance, leaning towards the yeast. It can cause strange

rashes. I don't know if I am right at all, but my clairvoyant side

would not let me sleep till I wrote this. Maybe others that have a

greater capacity with words and links to share can speak up. Figured

since you are researching you may want to know this too.

>

> a quick search found these sites

>

> http://www.milksucks.com/mucus.asp

>

> WOW I found a site that explains what I was talking about, and even

knows better than I did about what I was talking about!

>

> http://www.stopyeast.com/skin.html

>

> I believe its goal is to sell you something at the bottom, but all

the stuff on the way is dead on. I have heard of many ways to

eliminate candida if that is what anyone wants to do after reading that.

>

> carrie single mama to 2 dds (5.6 yo, & 9 wk old). cosleep, nonvax,

elimination communication (raising a baby without a dependence on

diapers), breastfeed on demand, child led weaning, child led learning,

natural health, wanna-be activist sahm

>

> 17. New to list----HIB vaccine

> Posted by: " gena@... " gena@... genaqu

> Date: Sat Feb 7, 2009 8:07 am ((PST))

>

> Hi, I'm new to the

> group and would like to share a bit

> of history before I share what's

> going on at the moment.

> I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> few weeks.

> I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> close to 2

> years. He has never been vaccinated.

> ...Inspite of this, my son

> developed Eczema

> at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> that's natural

> and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> I've

> had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> At around

> 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several times...he is

> diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he gets a

> cold. (around 4 times so far)

> Fast forward to last weekend. He

> started wheezing and nothing

> would help. I gave him a treatment and

> still didnt' help...ended

> up in the ER. They kept him on the

> breathing treatment for

> one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> streroids, then another

> treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> pneumonia. Then

> a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> hospital.

> Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> consider

> the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> So, here I am...seeing about it.

> My son has some

> senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> and other things. I don't

> think his little system could handle

> the vaccine. But, he is not

> handling real life, either. And all

> the " natural " stuff

> just does not work half the time.

> So, with all that said, I'm

> researching the HIB vaccine, per

> my husbands request, wanting to

> honor him.

> Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> cultured with?

> Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> gena

>

February 8, 2009

As you suspect he's at least intolerant of milk and wheat, I'd go

with and totally eliminate dairy and wheat. Then I'd see a

Homeopath.

No vaccine is going to make your son better, but it may well make

him worse. Even though you've only used steroids occasionally, they

suppress the symptoms, driving the original dis-ease deeper, so next

time he reacts worse and so it goes on.... Homeopathy is much more

likely to heal him.

Muriel

>

> I am not a doctor, homeopath, or a health professional. I am at

times, empathic. When I read your letter my first thought was

completely cut out dairy. I know it is hard. It is is so many

processed foods too. It seems to be in everything. But the dairy

is what creates mucus in our bodies basically. I know I am not

saying it very scientifically or wordily, but it is true that dairy

wreaks havoc on our bodies. Also it came to me that your son may

have a yeast/ bacteria imbalance, leaning towards the yeast. It can

cause strange rashes. I don't know if I am right at all, but my

clairvoyant side would not let me sleep till I wrote this. Maybe

others that have a greater capacity with words and links to share

can speak up. Figured since you are researching you may want to

know this too.

>

> a quick search found these sites

>

> http://www.milksucks.com/mucus.asp

>

> WOW I found a site that explains what I was talking about, and

even knows better than I did about what I was talking about!

>

> http://www.stopyeast.com/skin.html

>

> I believe its goal is to sell you something at the bottom, but all

the stuff on the way is dead on. I have heard of many ways to

eliminate candida if that is what anyone wants to do after reading

that.

>

> carrie single mama to 2 dds (5.6 yo, & 9 wk old). cosleep, nonvax,

elimination communication (raising a baby without a dependence on

diapers), breastfeed on demand, child led weaning, child led

learning, natural health, wanna-be activist sahm

>

> 17. New to list----HIB vaccine

> Posted by: " gena@... " gena@... genaqu

> Date: Sat Feb 7, 2009 8:07 am ((PST))

>

> Hi, I'm new to the

> group and would like to share a bit

> of history before I share what's

> going on at the moment.

> I have a 3 year old son, soon to be 4 in a

> few weeks.

> I had a healthy pregnancy, natural childbirth, (bradley

> method), tried to eat organic, healthy, breastfed my son

> close to 2

> years. He has never been vaccinated.

> ...Inspite of this, my son

> developed Eczema

> at around 4 or 5 months. I've tried everything

> that's natural

> and homemade and nothing seems to help. Occasionally

> I've

> had to use the steroids to get it under control. It's getting

> better, now that he is close to 4, but has not gone away.

> At around

> 2 years, he started wheezing and we ended up at ER several

times...he is

> diagnose with Asthma. It's not sever and only happens when he

gets a

> cold. (around 4 times so far)

> Fast forward to last weekend. He

> started wheezing and nothing

> would help. I gave him a treatment and

> still didnt' help...ended

> up in the ER. They kept him on the

> breathing treatment for

> one hour, (3 doses at once), some oral

> streroids, then another

> treatment. Did an X-ray, they said he had

> pneumonia. Then

> a dose of antibotics and oxygen and a stay at the

> hospital.

> Long story, short...the ER Dr. said we should really

> consider

> the HIB vaccine. My husband wants me to see about it.

> So, here I am...seeing about it.

> My son has some

> senitivity...towards milk, I think wheat,

> and other things. I don't

> think his little system could handle

> the vaccine. But, he is not

> handling real life, either. And all

> the " natural " stuff

> just does not work half the time.

> So, with all that said, I'm

> researching the HIB vaccine, per

> my husbands request, wanting to

> honor him.

> Does anyone know, off the top of your head, what it is

> cultured with?

> Thanks for any help and for reading this....

> gena

>

February 8, 2009

>

> Hi Gena & welcome!

It's scarry how similar our situations are, i am in the exact same

boat :0 how starnge is that? My 4years old unvaccinated son has food

allergies and now is also being diagnosed for asthma. When he turned 3

he got a cough that literally never went away and is tought to be

asthma related, i am devastated because i thought my unvaccinated raw

milk drinking, organic fed baby should not be allergic to seafood,

nuts, and now asthma! I am also looking to find a cure for him which so

far lots of promises but i am sceptical. Homeopathy is next on my list

but i am afraid to loose $ with no real cure. I'll let you know if i

find a real cure.

Katarina

>

February 9, 2009

Hi there, wow I find that so surprising too! I wonder if vitamin D 3 and/or

Omega 3 Essential Fatty Acids would help??

Vitamin D, Asthma, and Eczema

http://blogs.drgreene.com/blog/2008/04/11/vitamin-d-asthma-and-eczema/

Hope your little guys feel better soon!! Rita

February 9, 2009

I know, Katarina! How disappointed I was, too.

Asthma is very serious and if you have an 'attack'

you have to go to the Dr. and do the meds...

You can't go very long without air...

I pray our sons will out-grow this....

gena

> >

> > Hi Gena & welcome!

> It's scarry how similar our situations are, i am in the exact same

> boat :0 how starnge is that? My 4years old unvaccinated son has food

> allergies and now is also being diagnosed for asthma. When he turned 3

> he got a cough that literally never went away and is tought to be

> asthma related, i am devastated because i thought my unvaccinated raw

> milk drinking, organic fed baby should not be allergic to seafood,

> nuts, and now asthma! I am also looking to find a cure for him which so

> far lots of promises but i am sceptical. Homeopathy is next on my list

> but i am afraid to loose $ with no real cure. I'll let you know if i

> find a real cure.

>

> Katarina

> >

>

February 9, 2009

Gena and Katarina,

I'm just wondering if either of you received antibiotics while you

were carrying your babes that have asthma? The reason I ask is that

my youngest, who is 9-months-old now, is showing signs of many food

allergies and has had asthma-like reactions to goat milk and egg (my

mom decided he needed to eat egg one day. grrrrr!! I told her she

better not even THINK about giving him anything dairy!!). I started

wracking my brain, and the thing that keeps plaguing me is that I

received antibiotics for a bad kidney infection while I was pregnant.

I tried to stay off the antibiotics, but gave it to pressure when even

my midwife started telling me that if I didn't take the antibiotics I

could die, since the infection was in my kidneys.

I'm going to take my son to a homeopath. He started with cradle cap

when he was a couple months old, then has developed these allergies,

and has been sick quite a bit this winter too (he and I both have). I

really, really think the antibiotics had something to do with it. He

is completely unvaccinated. I kick myself now, because other than the

antibiotics, I had NO drugs during the pregnancy... not a Tylenol,

NOTHING. My oldest, who is also completely unvaccinated, doesn't have

ANY issues whatsoever. He never gets sick, or if he does, it is gone

in a flash, doesn't have any allergies, no breathing issues, nothing.

I didn't take any abx (or any other drug) when I was pregnant with

him, either.

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Katarina <kkatkov@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hi Gena & welcome!