Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

[Guest guest]

Many people here go out of their way to write to newspapers and

magazines about the dangers of vaccines and hope they will print it.

Perhaps this woman will do that for us and share our concerns with

others. If whatever she writes turns out to be against us, well it

won't be the first time. I think it would be a good chance to take

though. Plus, she is still a person, who is probably faced with the

decision of flu vax every year and maybe she is a mother or will be a

mother some day and what she learns in our group could really make a

difference in her life. Just my thought.

Vida

[Guest guest]

Speaking in generalities of course, but most people with something to hide, hide

it well. I'm looking at criminals in that aspect, but that's neither here nor

there related to the subject. " What if's " may or may not happen so yes, it

definitely is up to Sheri, but she did ask for opinions, and opinions are being

given.

Lori

---- Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

> Hi to whoever you are.

>

> I didn't see a name.

>

> Your statement that " Someone with something to hides HIDES " has its

exceptions.

> Some of the greatest conman in the world open their game with something that

sounds innocent.

> Knew a few when I was young and part of the street crowd.

[Guest guest]

I say let the person in, They were up front and honest. If they

were up to no good they would have lied and made up some story...

Donna

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

> Well its your list, but here are a few thoughts. As a journalist she

> certainly

> knows how to research. There are a lot of heavy weights with web-sites

> chalk full of data and you don't have to join. These web-sites like VacLib

> are information loaded for those who are serious about learning.

> Many of us are just bits and pieces of this subject, and are on all

> different levels of learning ourselves.

> Not to mention all the books and people like Tenpenny, April, and Dr.

> Eisenstein. One can learn much

> from a Null Tape.Also as far as personal stories go NVIC has

> thousands. Anyway I don't really care because if she's on the wrong side it

> won't take me long to find out. If it were me I would ask some hard

> questions. One thought , ask her to join your class first. Or have her

> contact the ones here who have a story to tell, people who can handle them

> selves like Dawn.

>

> Otherwise I just visualize her scanning the messages and picking up bits

> and pieces. That may cause incomplete stories or untruths depending on her

> particular viewpoint she may be biased toward..

>

> Jim

>

> ________________________________

> From: Sheri Nakken <stopvaccinesnow@...<stopvaccinesnow%40gmail.com>

> >

> Vaccinations <Vaccinations%40>

> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:38:14 PM

> Subject: we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

**** If you are uncomfortable about what she may see, and spin it

against you, you could certainly add a netiquette disclaimer that

states the content discussed on this list belongs to you (in a more

binding fashion). Have her acknowledge it, much like a signature, and

specify that it is binding in the language of the disclaimer. If you

email me offlist, I can help you with this. I don't know how

bulletproof I can make it, since it's the web, but I'd imagine I can

do a fair job.

If she disregards it, in that case you may have a tort case - which

may be more of a hassle than anything else, but you would have remedy

in platform that becomes public record. I don't see the harm with

adequate protection, and honestly, the seasoned folks on this list are

very articulate... and let's face it, we have nothing to hide.

[Guest guest]

I'm o.k. with it. Who knows? With the media as corrupt as it is,

maybe it is her employer who is making it difficult for her to find the

time to cover the story and research all of the facts. I know that it

has taken me over a year and thousands of hours sorting through all of

this crap to get the " real facts " on vaccines - and I've lived the

vaccine nightmare too!

>

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

[Guest guest]

I'm ok with it, might be good to have someone like that here to hear what we

have to say.

~

" Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. "

Luther King

[Guest guest]

Considering there are thousands of lawsuits pending in the The United States

Court of Federal Claims, No doubt millions of dollars are at

stake (Our claim was filed last Sept) I would no doubt expect that this list

already has its Pharma/Attorneys watching very closely. I for one have

nothing to hide from the jerks! )

I would be more concerned with those who have already gone through the

vaccine courts as they have been gagged from speaking about how vaccines

injured or killed thier baby. Its awful they would do this to a mother and

father. I think part of the grieving process(Parents with disabled child

also go through the grieving process) is being able to talk to people about

what happened to your child, And this natural need was taken away from

parents.

Donna

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Ayako Kato <ayako.kato.vax@...>wrote:

> Jim O wrote:

> > What if her real purpose was to befriend a few knowledgeable but

> naive people for her files. What if she really works for a department in

> the government? The question is, if she's not clean, can she cause

> problems for anyone on this list, in particularly Sheri.

>

> That would apply to ANY member of this list though. Apparently, a govt

> spy is a valid concern (I learned it the hard way but I'm sure a lot

> of people just lurk - any one of them could be collecting info on any

> individuals who post.

>

> I've also managed mailing lists in the past, so I understand Sheri's

> (and everyone's) concern. I've had to " ban " an individual a few times

> and it was a headache. It was due to that person's behaviour which was

> disruptive to the operation of the list, though, and not because of what

> he did for a living. I would vote for the list remaining open. Being

> arbitrarily selective doesn't protect anyone anyway.

>

> That being said,

>

> > maybe a home phone where I could talk to her for a while.

>

> I agree with this. Picking up the phone and talking is rarely done

> nowadays, but often solves problems so much faster.

>

> Ayako

> (who's also guilty of her over-reliance on email)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think we should welcome her, too.  Us non-vaxxers are normal people, lol.

+4

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[Guest guest]

I think it's okay. Someone wanting info--if they get it wrong for an article,

that won't be the first time. If they get it right, well, that could be worth

the gamble.

Winnie

we have a journalist wanting to join

Vaccinations

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

>

[Guest guest]

Arlynn, only the moderators have the ability to delete posts from the

archives. Depending on how many times you've posted, it would be very

tedious job. You would have to trawl the archives and make a note of the

number of each post (each one is logged with a number) then one of the mods

would have to individually delete them. Would take a while.

Sue x

-- Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

Is there a way to delete each and every single post I've ever written

on this list?? I did not intend for my personal information to be

published - even in anonymity. Stupid, stupid woman, I am. -Arlynn

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

But there is a lot of personal information in the archives going back a long

long itme. I think this list is about nine or ten years old....

Sure, we have nothing to hide - but that hasn't stopped people making

trouble in the past. Remember the poor lady who had her photo's of her

daughter's CP rash distributed around the Internet? That was dreadful for

her - some nasty comments and suggestions were made.

I'm somewhat wary of journalists - as Jim pointed out, there's nothing here

that she couldn't find out on many of the anti-VAX sites. All she's getting

here is anecdotal stories and personal stuff. And the ability to stir,

perhaps.

If we were voting on it, my vote would be " no " . I'm too suspicious for my

own good, I guess.

Sue

-- Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

I think it's okay. Someone wanting info--if they get it wrong for an article

that won't be the first time. If they get it right, well, that could be

worth the gamble.

Winnie

we have a journalist wanting to join

Vaccinations

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are there safeguards to ensure that what is shared on this site is private and

confidential? I'm guessing not.

________________________________

From: karen speed <crunchymama3@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:51:31 PM

Subject: Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

I think we should welcome her, too. Us non-vaxxers are normal people, lol.

+4

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[Guest guest]

I don't feel comfortable with this at all. I thought it was ok to speak freely

and comfortably...

Why not have the journalist's email posted and we can individually contact them

if we want. But joiny here doesn't seem right, sorry. Just my opinion.

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Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

I think it's okay. Someone wanting info--if they get it wrong for an article

that won't be the first time. If they get it right, well, that could be

worth the gamble.

Winnie

we have a journalist wanting to join

Vaccinations

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

>

[Guest guest]

Becca- I so agree with what you said!

I really don't feel comfortable with any journalists or other as so joining. The

truth is so offen twisted and there are plenty of us out there willing to give

interviews but this is not the place for them to gain info.

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Re: Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

As others have said, there are SO many other ways to get information and make

contacts besides joining a Group where at least some members will be

made uncomfortable by your presence. In fact, I would think whatever questions

she has could be deftly handled by Sheri herself. Anyway, all the writer

needs to do is email the contact person of any pro- or anti-vaccine website to

get

information.

Becca

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[Guest guest]

Can a disclaimer be " signed " by this person, and put on file? Don't know if

that's silly, or can be done.

At first, I was thinking it would be no big deal, maybe good, even, for those

who have gripping awful stories to be heard.

After more thought, I don't want anyone in this group to be hurt, many possible

ways that could happen.

I'm tossed, half and half on this. I think it was mighty nice of you, Sheri, to

consider everyone's feelings!

~Cassie Sala~

http://canyonandriversday.blogspot.com (The Boy's Blog)

Living_Natural (Living Natural Group)

http://living-natural.ning.com (Living Natural Group)

[Guest guest]

And last but not least, you may give her my home phone if she wants

to be taught about vaccine's or  she can give me her phone number and I would be

willing to talk to her on

the phone at my expense. Any thing I couldn't handle I would refer her to the

right place.

Jim

________________________________

From: " jetsettica@... " <jetsettica@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:48:01 PM

Subject: Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

I only joined this group last week and I can honestly say from what I've seen

she could either do a great service by spotlighting the best of this list or she

could do a lot of damage by amplifying some embarrasing stereotypes about the

movement - If she wants to make us look like an angry conspiracy theorists then

there is no shortage of material here. No offense to the angry folks, I

understand where you are coming from, but I really do hope that she will get a

grip on the evidence and logic based arguments because if the right questions

are raised in the right publications there will be many more allies joining this

list. Jess

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Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

I'm wondering if, instead, if she'd be willing to pose a list of

questions that the group can answer. We could email her our

opinions/stories if we are interested, thereby protecting the

integrity of this list.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Sheri Nakken <stopvaccinesnow@ gmail.com>

wrote:

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

[Guest guest]

I'm unsure, my experience with journalists hasn't been good, but it's

your list and if you trust her. As long as she's not about to quote

anyone without their direct permission.

Muriel

>

> we have a journalist wanting to join

>

> " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child

vaccinations.

> I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

>

> Would you all be OK if I add her?

> Sheri

> listowner

>

[Guest guest]

made a good point. I would be more comfortable, even though I read more

then post, if she sent the group a list of questions and they were answered by

the group.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Anyone who wasnt aware of this fact before should now be aware that our

words can be read by anyone who joins the list, regardless of their

agenda,occupation, or vaccination status....

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jeanne Sanda <jeannesanda@...> wrote:

> made a good point. I would be more comfortable, even though I read

> more then post, if she sent the group a list of questions and they were

> answered by the group.

> Jeanne

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is a good and valid point, I've even seen some of my posts to

this list and one other vaccine list quoted - out of context - on

websites here and there. I KNOW they were mine, because my name was

even attached to them.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Dell <jetsettica@...> wrote:

> Anyone who wasnt aware of this fact before should now be aware that our

> words can be read by anyone who joins the list, regardless of their

> agenda,occupation, or vaccination status....

[Guest guest]

Having thought about it more, at least the lady has been honest -

she could have joined and said nothing about her profession.

Muriel

> >

> > we have a journalist wanting to join

> >

> > " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a story on child

> vaccinations.

> > I hope to gain some insight and make contacts. "

> >

> > Would you all be OK if I add her?

> > Sheri

> > listowner

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Honesty is the best policy, and all anyone can ask for. I'm okay with her

joining as well.

Hollie

http://www.thebusinessofbeingborn.com/

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

My son was born at home and is vaccine-free!!!

> From: murielblackley2 <murielblackley2@...>

> Subject: Re: we have a journalist wanting to join

> Vaccinations

> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 3:31 PM

> Having thought about it more, at least the lady has been

> honest -

> she could have joined and said nothing about her

> profession.

>

> Muriel

>

>

> > >

> > > we have a journalist wanting to join

> > >

> > > " I am a NYC-based journalist working on a

> story on child

> > vaccinations.

> > > I hope to gain some insight and make contacts.

> "

> > >

> > > Would you all be OK if I add her?

> > > Sheri

> > > listowner

> > >

> >