Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if poss UK)

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At 05:53 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:

>did you once believe that vaccines etc were the way to go, and have

>now changed your opinion?

Yes

>if so what was it that triggered you to

>quit your job, or stop vaccinating your own kids.

Just learning when starting to study homeopathy how vaccines are so

injurious. Had never even thought about it before then. Started to

research in 1981 and never stopped

>do you know people who are dr's who dont vaccinate?

the few I have met through this work (I have heard of others who keep

low key in order to not get in trouble & possibly lose their license,

but don't know them personally)

>just that many people seem to think it is just a few uneducated

>people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical knowledge

>and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they cant

>comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not have

>them themselves.

>

>i am hoping to get a few quotes on what changed your mind(with a

>brief background- just like 'Dr A.B - surrey UK, or C.D - childrens

>nurse for 15 yrs)

Nurse since 1971 and in that time, pediatrics for 10 years

Sheri Nakken, RN, MA, Homeopath

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Just learning when starting to study homeopathy how vaccines are so

injurious. Had never even thought about it before then. Started to

research in 1981 and never stopped. Realized with research that most

of the illnesses I saw as a peds nurse starting in 1971 were from

vaccine injury - ear infections, asthma, ADD, etc. Also knew that

childhood illnesses such as mumps, measles, chickenpox, pertussis,

etc were not that serious in most children to even need a vaccine,

even if vaccines gave immunity, and they do not.

>i would like to put the quotes on a general health/babycare site i am

>building, to try and introduce others to looking at vaccines and also

>link to other non-vaccinating websites (i'm not planning on building

>my own!) so if you have your own site please could you send me the

>link to that too? )

>

>i hope this is ok with everyone?

>thanks in advance

>Jo - surrey

I'll send you my intro email again, that you got when you joined the list

Sure

Sheri

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> just that many people seem to think it is just a few uneducated

> people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical knowledge

> and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they cant

> comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not have

> them themselves.

>

>That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover up

vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew anything

bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

schedule.

Katarina

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The brain washing starts much higher up than your ped or family

doctor. Doctors are victims of brainwashing too, and it starts in

medical school -- actually, it starts for all of us in elementary

school in our science classes.

You see, it is imperative that BigPharma reaches and convinces the

doctors to believe, beyond a shadow of a doubt, in the safety of their

drug, vaccine or antibiotic, because we, the sheeple, are groomed to

take every word those doctors spout as gospel truth never to be

questioned. The brainwashing is so deep and thorough that it's hard

to get a doctor to break through and see the light, and when they do,

they often keep it low-key so they are not burned at the stake... look

up " Wakefield " in the archives of this list to see the brutal

way they are brought to slaughter for trying to bring the truth of

vaccines to light.

Doctors DO see the damage that vaccines cause multiple times a day...

they just don't correlate it because the " Powers that Be " have taught

them to disregard it as " coincidence " . How many children do you think

a typical doctor sees per day with asthma, diabetes, allergies,

eczema, ADHD, ADD, Autism, etc.?

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Katarina <kkatkov@...> wrote:

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>>

>>>

>> just that many people seem to think it is just a few uneducated

>> people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical knowledge

>> and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they cant

>> comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not have

>> them themselves.

>>

>>That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover up

> vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

> own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

> puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

> damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

> would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew anything

> bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> schedule.

> Katarina

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but i know a few years back there was a big row over whether Tony Blair

(when Prime Minister) vaccinated his son with the MMR, yet his

government were the ones pushing for it, saying it was safe.

i dont know if he did or didnt but as far as i remember they never got

him to admit he had...which when he wife is a lawyer i would have

thought meant they hadnt?!!

> >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover

up

> vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

> own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

> puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

> damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

> would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

anything

> bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> schedule.

> Katarina

>

[Guest guest]

talking of that liar, came across this which sume his ilk up:

" Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, " or " false in one thing, false in

everything " . A Roman legal principle indicating that a witness who wilfully

falsifies one matter is not credible on any matter. The underlying motive for

attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in court: the principle discredits the

rest of their testimony if it is without corroboration.

I'd bet he used single vaccines, his wife was into people like Jack Temple. But

I'd doubt they would risk injuring his kids with real vaccine. They aint that

stupid.

Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if

poss UK)

but i know a few years back there was a big row over whether Tony Blair

(when Prime Minister) vaccinated his son with the MMR, yet his

government were the ones pushing for it, saying it was safe.

i dont know if he did or didnt but as far as i remember they never got

him to admit he had...which when he wife is a lawyer i would have

thought meant they hadnt?!!

> >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover

up

> vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

> own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

> puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

> damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

> would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

anything

> bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> schedule.

> Katarina

>

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I doubt they vaccinate as much as they would like us to think

http://whale.to/v/docs5.html

How many docs take Hep B for example? Be real interesting to know that

stat.

Most docs are just brainwashed foot soldiers, like the soldiers in Iraq.

And most are 'conditioned' to not see vaccine damage or deaths, just read Dr

kalokerinos' biography for one, he could see it, with Vitamin C also, but

they couldn't, or wouldn't.

One MD who has a vaccine damage son was Dr Buchwald

http://whale.to/vaccines/buchwald.html

But others like Fitzpatrick go into denial

http://whale.to/a/fitzpatrick.html

They see asthma (1 in 5), diabetes, autism (1 in 100), eczema, juvenile

arthritis, ADD etc all around them but they have to believe the cause is a

mystery. They are the damaged babies all around them

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From: Katarina

That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover up

vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew anything

bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

schedule.

Katarina

[Guest guest]

At 05:53 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:

>did you once believe that vaccines etc were the way to go, and have

>now changed your opinion?

Yes. Years ago, I had only heard of 1 friend of a friend who wasn't

vaccinating her children. I thought she must be crazy! I had all the

arguments that pro-vax people use today (vaccines keep us healthy, vaccines

are the reason so many horrible diseases are gone now, and other lies).

Most pro-vaxers are like I was, I'm sure, totally uneducated in the dangers

of vaccines, but just spewing what we brainwashed to believe growing up and

taught in college.

>if so what was it that triggered you to

>quit your job, or stop vaccinating your own kids.

When we got our first puppy 8 years ago, he had a reaction to one of his

puppy vaccines (confirmed by the vet). I started researching the dangers of

dog vaccines after reading about them on an Internet list for dogs. They

also mentioned homeopathy on the list. I started researching about the

dangers of animal vaccines and realized if they are so damaging to animals,

what about human vaccines?? I started researching that and haven't stopped

researching since. My children were 10 and 11 at the time and have not

received any vaccines since their kindergarten shots. We have since

switched our family over to homeopathy and chiropractic treatment as our

source of health care, since allopathy did nothing but keep us all very

sick. We haven't had an antibiotic, fever reducer, vaccine, OTC drug, etc.

in years and are SOOO much healthier for it!

>do you know people who are dr's who dont vaccinate?

None personally, except a couple of chiropractors.

>just that many people seem to think it is just a few uneducated

>people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical knowledge

>and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they cant

>comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not have

>them themselves.

>

>i am hoping to get a few quotes on what changed your mind(with a

>brief background- just like 'Dr A.B - surrey UK, or C.D - childrens

>nurse for 15 yrs)

I was a registered nurse (bachelor's degree) for almost 10 years in

obstetrics and pediatrics. When I began my research, I had already quit my

job as a nurse to stay home with my children. Knowing what I know now about

the medical industry, I could never with a good conscience go back to being

a nurse.

I had a reaction to my last tetanus shot in 1997 (didn't realize it then

though). I had pain in every joint in my body for months. The doctor I saw

back then could find no reason for it. Now I know the reason and will never

have another vaccine as long as I can help it, nor will my children.

Kay in Kentucky, USA

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The doctors notice, maybe not all but many do. I have a friend who is an OB/GYN

and they do vaccinate, but selectively--not all vaccines, not all at once AND

they always check with their ped friend to see if a particular lot caused any

reactions before getting the vaccine from that lot.

Winnie

Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if

poss UK)

Vaccinations

>

> >

> >>

> > just that many people seem to think it is just a few

> uneducated

> > people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical

> knowledge

> > and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they

> cant

> > comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not

> have

> > them themselves.

> >

> >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors

> cover up

> vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate

> their

> own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or

> pharma

> puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would

> see

> damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and

> they

> would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

> anything

> bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> schedule.

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

AND doctors are probably not likely to admit it if they don't vaccinate. Can you

imagine what that could do to their reputations?

Winnie

Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if

poss UK)

Vaccinations

>

> >

> >>

> > just that many people seem to think it is just a few

> uneducated

> > people who dont vaccinate, not people that DO have medical

> knowledge

> > and training, or have seen the 'damage' from vaccines and they

> cant

> > comprehend their own dr would give vaccines to others yet not

> have

> > them themselves.

> >

> >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors

> cover up

> vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate

> their

> own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or

> pharma

> puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would

> see

> damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and

> they

> would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

> anything

> bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> schedule.

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

I read somewhere where the " elite " have special safer

vaccines...anyone have any knowledge of what that might be or what is

the difference? Could it be just single vaccines?

Alice

>

> talking of that liar, came across this which sume his ilk up:

>

> " Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, " or " false in one thing, false

in everything " . A Roman legal principle indicating that a witness who

wilfully falsifies one matter is not credible on any matter. The

underlying motive for attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in

court: the principle discredits the rest of their testimony if it is

without corroboration.

>

> I'd bet he used single vaccines, his wife was into people like Jack

Temple. But I'd doubt they would risk injuring his kids with real

vaccine. They aint that stupid.

>

>

> Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical

profession (if poss UK)

>

>

> but i know a few years back there was a big row over whether Tony

Blair

> (when Prime Minister) vaccinated his son with the MMR, yet his

> government were the ones pushing for it, saying it was safe.

> i dont know if he did or didnt but as far as i remember they

never got

> him to admit he had...which when he wife is a lawyer i would have

> thought meant they hadnt?!!

>

> > >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors

cover

> up

> > vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate

their

> > own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or

pharma

> > puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they

would see

> > damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and

they

> > would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

> anything

> > bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> > schedule.

> > Katarina

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:42 PM 1/7/2009, you wrote:

>but i know a few years back there was a big row over whether Tony Blair

>(when Prime Minister) vaccinated his son with the MMR, yet his

>government were the ones pushing for it, saying it was safe.

>i dont know if he did or didnt but as far as i remember they never got

>him to admit he had...which when he wife is a lawyer i would have

>thought meant they hadnt?!!

I think his wife was/is very aware.

But doctors are another story

Sheri

> > >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors cover

>up

> > vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate their

> > own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or pharma

> > puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would see

> > damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and they

> > would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

>anything

> > bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> > schedule.

> > Katarina

> >

>

>

>

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>

> How many children do you think

> a typical doctor sees per day with asthma, diabetes, allergies,

> eczema, ADHD, ADD, Autism, etc.?

>

>

>

>

> That makes sense , thanks for put it so well. BTW, my

unvaccinated son has eczema and food/dust allergies.

Katarina

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that... vaccines aren't the ONLY contributor to

these conditions, but they certainly play a huge role.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Katarina <kkatkov@...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> That makes sense , thanks for put it so well. BTW, my

> unvaccinated son has eczema and food/dust allergies.

>

> Katarina

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yeah and the same Tony Blair eats organic and yet pushes for the

farmers to drow GM and use poisons on the crops - because it makes

money for his paywmasters.

Muriel

>

> but i know a few years back there was a big row over whether Tony

Blair

> (when Prime Minister) vaccinated his son with the MMR, yet his

> government were the ones pushing for it, saying it was safe.

> i dont know if he did or didnt but as far as i remember they never

got

> him to admit he had...which when he wife is a lawyer i would have

> thought meant they hadnt?!!

>

>

> > >That's the thing i've been contemplating about.....if doctors

cover

> up

> > vaccine damage or turn away from the truth most still vaccinate

their

> > own children! If they were a part of cover up or conspiracy or

pharma

> > puppets, wouldn't they vaccinate their own family? If they would

see

> > damaged babies left & right, an alarm would probably ring and

they

> > would notice something " fishy " . I spoke to a few and none knew

> anything

> > bad about vaccines and vaccinate themselves & their children on

> > schedule.

> > Katarina

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does he drink cow's milk, Katarina?

Winnie

Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if

poss UK)

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > How many children do you think

> > a typical doctor sees per day with asthma, diabetes, allergies,

> > eczema, ADHD, ADD, Autism, etc.?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > That makes sense , thanks for put it so well. BTW, my

> unvaccinated son has eczema and food/dust allergies.

>

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Does he drink cow's milk, Katarina?

>

> Winnie

>

> Yes he drink raw organic milk from local Amish farm. Sometimes he

drink raw goat instead. He doesn't drink milk everyday, sometimes a

week passes before we can pick up milk again, but he does eat lots of

raw butter. We try to follow Westn A. Price foundation nutrient dense

diet. His eczema was bad a few years ago and now he doesn't have it

anymore. He'll have hives/eczema if he eats seafood or nuts; he is

violently allergic to these foods and aviods it like a plague. Also, we

did allergy blood test(IgE) recently and milk did not show as an

allergen.

Katarina

[Guest guest]

>

> I read somewhere where the " elite " have special safer

> vaccines...anyone have any knowledge of what that might be or what is

> the difference? Could it be just single vaccines?

>

> Alice

>

>

>

> I've read these rumors a while back when i started researching

vaccines. I read that the " elite " would have a shot of pure water if

they had no way of getting out of " vaccinating " . Others would just use

fake medical forms with false info. I don't know if these are facts or

someone's beliefs or a conspiracy theory...

Katarina

[Guest guest]

So, you found the cause of it--great!

Winnie

Re: anyone who was (or is) in medical profession (if

poss UK)

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > Does he drink cow's milk, Katarina?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> > Yes he drink raw organic milk from local Amish farm. Sometimes

> he

> drink raw goat instead. He doesn't drink milk everyday,

> sometimes a

> week passes before we can pick up milk again, but he does eat

> lots of

> raw butter. We try to follow Westn A. Price foundation nutrient

> dense

> diet. His eczema was bad a few years ago and now he doesn't have

> it

> anymore. He'll have hives/eczema if he eats seafood or nuts; he

> is

> violently allergic to these foods and aviods it like a plague.

> Also, we

> did allergy blood test(IgE) recently and milk did not show as an

> allergen.

>

> Katarina

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if that is true, but is possible. Think of the poorer

countries in the world. Their vaccines are manufactured differently

and in different companies with much lower standards than what is in

the U.S. Frequently too, rich countries ship off their expired or

damaged batches to poorer countries.

Vida

> >

> > I read somewhere where the " elite " have special safer

> > vaccines...anyone have any knowledge of what that might be or what

is

> > the difference? Could it be just single vaccines?

> >

> > Alice

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son's first pediatrician started laughing when I told him vaccines

kill people and said that nobody in the United States had ever died

from a vaccine. I sort of believed him at the time since I didn't know

as much as I know now. But he truly did believe what he was

saying...goes to show how little doctors know.

At 6 months I took my son to a naturopath and she was totally fine with

us not vaxing, although they did offer them there. My husband asked

her if she vaxed her child and she said she only gave 2 and those only

at 9 months.

Vida