Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

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I have a wonderful doctor who understands my decision about vaxing.  The only

problem is I signed a waiver

at the office and have not put any exemption in for him or with the schools for

my older children yet. 

The reason I have not done so with the exemption  is because my older two are up

to date and in school right now

with no problem. 

Here is the big question.  If I put in an exemption for one child to attend

preschool (will need the flu shot) and not the other who attends a different

school, what could happen? The other is up to date with all shots.

  My daughter attends a religious school and to my surprise in the parent

handout it states " Religious exemptions will not

be considered " !  I don't want to take her out of school, she loves it and I am

very happy with it as well.

Any advice

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Jen,

I'm really confused. This is the third or fourth time you've asked the same

questions about this over the past several months. Several of us have answered

you pretty clearly. I'm not sure why that's not enough.

Winnie

Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

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> I have a wonderful doctor who understands my decision about

> vaxing. The only problem is I signed a waiver

> at the office and have not put any exemption in for him or with

> the schools for my older children yet.

> The reason I have not done so with the exemption is because my

> older two are up to date and in school right now

> with no problem.

> Here is the big question. If I put in an exemption for one

> child to attend preschool (will need the flu shot) and not the

> other who attends a different school, what could happen? The

> other is up to date with all shots.

> My daughter attends a religious school and to my surprise in

> the parent handout it states " Religious exemptions will not

> be considered " ! I don't want to take her out of school, she

> loves it and I am very happy with it as well.

> Any advice

>

>

>

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Hi Jen,

What state are you in?

I would not think that the schools would check between each other to

even know if you have an exemption in place at one school but not the

other. I'd put in the needed exemptions and see what happens, instead

of playing " what if? " and driving yourself nuts. You can better deal

with any objections once you know if there are any and what they are.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 AM, jen leahy <jenleahy@...> wrote:

> I have a wonderful doctor who understands my decision about vaxing. The

> only problem is I signed a waiver

> at the office and have not put any exemption in for him or with the schools

> for my older children yet.

> The reason I have not done so with the exemption is because my older two

> are up to date and in school right now

> with no problem.

> Here is the big question. If I put in an exemption for one child to attend

> preschool (will need the flu shot) and not the other who attends a different

> school, what could happen? The other is up to date with all shots.

> My daughter attends a religious school and to my surprise in the parent

> handout it states " Religious exemptions will not

> be considered " ! I don't want to take her out of school, she loves it and I

> am very happy with it as well.

> Any advice

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NJ

Thank you for your response.  I am driving myself nuts, I just don't want my

daughter

to be kicked out of the school she is currently in. 

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From: Roberg <trinnea@...>

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Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:26:45 PM

Subject: Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

Hi Jen,

What state are you in?

I would not think that the schools would check between each other to

even know if you have an exemption in place at one school but not the

other. I'd put in the needed exemptions and see what happens, instead

of playing " what if? " and driving yourself nuts. You can better deal

with any objections once you know if there are any and what they are.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 AM, jen leahy <jenleahy (DOT) com> wrote:

> I have a wonderful doctor who understands my decision about vaxing. The

> only problem is I signed a waiver

> at the office and have not put any exemption in for him or with the schools

> for my older children yet.

> The reason I have not done so with the exemption is because my older two

> are up to date and in school right now

> with no problem.

> Here is the big question. If I put in an exemption for one child to attend

> preschool (will need the flu shot) and not the other who attends a different

> school, what could happen? The other is up to date with all shots.

> My daughter attends a religious school and to my surprise in the parent

> handout it states " Religious exemptions will not

> be considered " ! I don't want to take her out of school, she loves it and I

> am very happy with it as well.

> Any advice

[Guest guest]

No, the answers weren't that clear actually. Maybe I didn't get all

the responses? Regarding my daughter's school anway.

Nobody really can tell me except the school.  Just thought someone might have

some definate answers .  Like if what I am doing may be illegal, (putting an

exemption in for one and not another).

I don't want to really SEE what happens, because I don't want her to be kicked

out of school. Which I happen to find ridiculous!!!!

 I just want her to at least finish for the year. 

I also feel very alone with the entire non vaxing thing.  This is my only source

of comfort and the only way to communicate with others who's views are the same

as my own,

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Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 1:25:06 PM

Subject: Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

Jen,

I'm really confused. This is the third or fourth time you've asked the same

questions about this over the past several months. Several of us have answered

you pretty clearly. I'm not sure why that's not enough.

Winnie

Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

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> I have a wonderful doctor who understands my decision about

> vaxing. The only problem is I signed a waiver

> at the office and have not put any exemption in for him or with

> the schools for my older children yet.

> The reason I have not done so with the exemption is because my

> older two are up to date and in school right now

> with no problem.

> Here is the big question. If I put in an exemption for one

> child to attend preschool (will need the flu shot) and not the

> other who attends a different school, what could happen? The

> other is up to date with all shots.

> My daughter attends a religious school and to my surprise in

> the parent handout it states " Religious exemptions will not

> be considered " ! I don't want to take her out of school, she

> loves it and I am very happy with it as well.

> Any advice

>

>

>

>

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Here's what I would do in your shoes:

Since your doctor is so supportive of your decision not to vax, see if

he would be willing to give you a medical waiver, at least for the

child attending the private religious school (preferably for all

children though). Then, submit whatever waiver you can. If the doc

refuses, submit the religious waiver, even to the private school.

Submit it with a copy of NJ law in your hand, as well. Who knows,

they may not give you any grief at all over it. Find out if the

school receives any state money at all. If they do, it is my

understanding that they have to abide by state law regarding waivers.

I would contact the National Vaccine Information Center for their

thoughts. They take a very active stance in these matters, and I hear

they are very helpful. At the very least they may be able to guide

you to an attorney in your state that handles waivers. Getting an

attorney involved may be all that is needed to coax the school not to

resist your waiver.

If push comes to shove, you may be forced to decide whether it's more

important for your daughter to stay in the school she is in, or to

remain unvaccinated. I know what I would choose, but you have to make

that decision for yourself. I know it's not optimal to pull your kids

out of school during the school year, but if our hands are forced,

sometimes we have to do things that are ridiculous (and you're right,

it IS ridiculous that it is even an issue at that school!!!) to keep

our children safe. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that for you.

If it DOES come to that, explain to your daughter that it is for her

safety. Ultimately you'll be setting a good example, and kids

understand more than we give them credit for.

Good luck to you! Keep us posted as to how it goes.

PS: On another note... when I remember to run my spell checker in

Google, I am always amazed that it does not recognize the term

" unvaccinated " . Did they leave that one out of the dictionary on

purpose??? Hmm.....

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, jen leahy <jenleahy@...> wrote:

> NJ

> Thank you for your response. I am driving myself nuts, I just don't want my

> daughter

> to be kicked out of the school she is currently in.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much . I am going to ask about the medical exemption first and

see where that goes.

If that doesn't get me anywhere I will contact the National Vaccine info.

center.  I guess I could just google it..

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From: Roberg <trinnea@...>

Vaccinations

Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:50:08 PM

Subject: Re: haven't put an exemption in yet

Here's what I would do in your shoes:

Since your doctor is so supportive of your decision not to vax, see if

he would be willing to give you a medical waiver, at least for the

child attending the private religious school (preferably for all

children though). Then, submit whatever waiver you can. If the doc

refuses, submit the religious waiver, even to the private school.

Submit it with a copy of NJ law in your hand, as well. Who knows,

they may not give you any grief at all over it. Find out if the

school receives any state money at all. If they do, it is my

understanding that they have to abide by state law regarding waivers.

I would contact the National Vaccine Information Center for their

thoughts. They take a very active stance in these matters, and I hear

they are very helpful. At the very least they may be able to guide

you to an attorney in your state that handles waivers. Getting an

attorney involved may be all that is needed to coax the school not to

resist your waiver.

If push comes to shove, you may be forced to decide whether it's more

important for your daughter to stay in the school she is in, or to

remain unvaccinated. I know what I would choose, but you have to make

that decision for yourself. I know it's not optimal to pull your kids

out of school during the school year, but if our hands are forced,

sometimes we have to do things that are ridiculous (and you're right,

it IS ridiculous that it is even an issue at that school!!!) to keep

our children safe. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that for you.

If it DOES come to that, explain to your daughter that it is for her

safety. Ultimately you'll be setting a good example, and kids

understand more than we give them credit for.

Good luck to you! Keep us posted as to how it goes.

PS: On another note... when I remember to run my spell checker in

Google, I am always amazed that it does not recognize the term

" unvaccinated " . Did they leave that one out of the dictionary on

purpose??? Hmm.....

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, jen leahy <jenleahy (DOT) com> wrote:

> NJ

> Thank you for your response. I am driving myself nuts, I just don't want my

> daughter

> to be kicked out of the school she is currently in.

[Guest guest]

It seems you have two situations that worry you. One, whether you should give

your older children's school an exemption form so you're consistent about using

it for all your children. That's easy--NO. They are up-to-date and claiming no

exemptions. You are in full compliance with the law. The only reason to give

that school an exemption form would if they were missing some legally required

vaccines and you didn't want your children to get them.

If by some miracle that school finds out that you claim an exemption for your

younger daughter, they have no reason to ask you about it. But if they did, tell

them you've had a religious awakening and here's an exemption for your older

ones, too. The end.

The second situation is over what will happen if your daughter's preschool won't

accept your religious exemption. This is where I am confused. Is that the school

which states in their handbook that no religious exemptions will be accepted? If

so, the answer is clear. If not, hand the exemption in now. By waiting, you risk

drawing attention to the issue. Haven't they asked for it yet?

Whatever happens, we can help walk you through how to respond. You are not

alone.

Winnie

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> No, the answers weren't that clear actually. Maybe I didn't get

> all the responses? Regarding my daughter's school anway.

> Nobody really can tell me except the school. Just thought

> someone might have some definate answers . Like if what I am

> doing may be illegal, (putting an exemption in for one and not

> another).I don't want to really SEE what happens, because I

> don't want her to be kicked out of school. Which I happen to

> find ridiculous!!!!

> I just want her to at least finish for the year.

> I also feel very alone with the entire non vaxing thing. This

> is my only source of comfort and the only way to communicate

> with others who's views are the same as my own,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oops, I'm sorry... it's the National Vaccine Information Center is

www.nvic.org. I mean to give you the link the first time!

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:57 PM, jen leahy <jenleahy@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thank you so much . I am going to ask about the medical exemption first

> and see where that goes.

> If that doesn't get me anywhere I will contact the National Vaccine info.

> center. I guess I could just google it..