Re: Re: My child fell on the floor and got a gash on the underchin.

November 3, 2008

Regular store brought honey will still help. I have used that before, and it

has worked. The Manuka honey just has higher antiseptic properties. I am

pretty sure Maracuja has info on this. I am sure she posted something a while

back. The saliva will most certainly be the reason it is getting infected. You

may just have to change the dressing a bit more frequently. It is hard

sometimes when wounds are in places like that.

Fieldman

My child fell on the floor and got a

gash on the underchin.

>

> Well my almost two year old DD was playing on November 1st and

fell

> hard on the floor. There was a deep gash on the under side of

her

> chin and she bled for sometime. She cried for sometime and then

she

> was fine while we rushed to the pediatrician.

>

> The pediatrician said no stitches were needed and the nurse did

some

> cleaning with betadine and dressing. The pediatrician insisted I

get

> the DTaP booster but I declined.

>

> Anyways the pediatrician also wrote a prescription for

antibiotics

> and an anti-inflammatory. We did not give DD any antibiotics.

Tried

> giving her little pain relief but she spat it out.

>

> So I according to my online Indian homeopath's recommendation

gave

> her Arnica 1M two pills on 2nd November. I have to mention that

> Maracuja here has been extremely helpful and kind to me. Without

her

> help, I would have never thought of getting Steri strips for DD.

>

> Since DD had such a horrible experience while getting her wound

> dressed (four people holding her down while the nurse dressed)

we

> decided we would do it ourselves. Initially we cleaned the wound

> with betadine and then tried to apply Steri strips as well as

she

> would cooperate.

>

> Well yesterday I thought the wound was getting better but today

I

> noticed little greyish discharge coming out through the gap

between

> the Steri strips. She is been active and her normal self these

last

> two days. She has been sleeping well too. Now this little

discharge

> has me worried sick. Is the wound getting bad? There was little

> swelling around the wound yesterday but I thought this was

normal.

> The time she got hurt, the wound was pretty deep and it seemed

> certain that she would need stitches. But I did not want her to

get

> any stitches because I know how terrible the healthcare here is.

I

> did not want her to have unnecessary pain and trouble so I

thought

> we did the right thing by just dressing it.

>

> Now I am scared beyond words...why is there pus coming? Should I

> give her Arnica again? She was acting real hyper last evening

after

> I gave her the Arnica but I don't think it should cause problems

> right?

>

> PLEASE PLEASE HELP!! What should I do?

>

> Deepali

>

November 3, 2008

Hi Deepali,

So sorry to hear that your little one has had this injury. So hard to see

them hurt, isn't it?

Have you been back to your homeopath to ask for further advice? If it were

me - which it isn't, of course - I would be thinking about using

homoeopathic hypericum - often used to follow arnica, which is largely most

effective for the shock, bruising and general trauma of an injury such as

this. Hypericum has anti-sepsis properties and is often useful for an

injury in a very nerve-rich place for easing the pain. My advice would be

to get back to him and ask for a further remedy. It should also be possible

to get some hypericum in mother tincture which could be used to bathe the

wound when changing dressings.

Honey is good for drawing poison out of a wound, but I would have thought it

would have to be unprocessed honey, preferably organic. Sterilised honey

would surely not be therapeutic? My herbal textbook, Bartram's, says this

of honey:

" Many bacteria cannot live in the presence of honey since honey draws from

them the moisture essential to their existence. It is a potent inhibitor of

the growth of bacteria: salmonella, shigella and E. Coli. Taken internally

and externally, hastens granulation and arrests necrotic tissue. A natural

bacteriostatic and bactericide. "

" As a cooling analgesic: dressings smeared with honey and left on after

pain has subsided to prevent swelling - for cuts, scratches, fistula, boils,

felon, animal bites; stings of mosquitoes, wasps, bees, fleas, etc. May be

applied to any kind of wound: Dip gauze strips in pure honey and bind

infected area; leave 24 hours. "

So if you can get some pure, organic honey, go for it!

Good luck - let us know how she goes.

Sue x

-- Re: My child fell on the floor and got a gash on the

underchin.

Hi , thank you so much for writing back. I have kept the

page open and keep on refreshing it! That's how desperate I am.

I have been giving her son's Chewable 500 mg Vitamin C

sweetened with grape juice which consists of equal parts of SA and

AA at least 3-4 times a day. I always used to give her two tabs

daily but since she got hurt I have increased it to 4 times a day.

The thing is she drools a lot and so I think part of the problem is

that the saliva is constantly keeping the dressings wet. We have

been applying Steri strips now but they become wet too. I don't know

what Manuka honey is and I doubt we will find it here. Can I apply

regular store-bought honey instead? I know my DH will be aghast at

the idea but I am willing to try it.

Also we were thinking of taking her to the pediatrician today

evening because I don't want it to get infected further. I gave her

Arnica once again sometime back. I am just praying hard this wound

heals soon. I hate seeing my DD fight and cry at the doctor's

clinic. It is just so sad. Me and my DH try to engage her in play

and then quickly try dressing it up.

Thanks for your help.

Deepali

>

> Hi Deepali, if it were me, I would start giving regular doses of

sodium ascorbate (vit C). I would also put some honey on the

dressing rather than betadine. The honey will help to draw the pus

etc out, and the vit c will help to heal from the inside. I am sure

others here will have much better advice than me. But I wanted to

answer, because the list is often quiet at this time, and I know you

will be anxiously waiting for some input. As far as honey goes, the

Manuka is the best. But I rarely have any because it is costly. I

just use the regular stuff. I often thought about buying the manuka

specifically for first aid. But it is just delicious, and really

hard to not eat it.

>

> By the way, have you taken the dressing off to have a proper look

at it. If there is pus coming out, it will need regular changing.

It sounds like you have been keeping a close eye on it, and it

hasn't been infected long. It is possible there is something in

there causing infection. If that is the case, the honey will draw

it out as well as the pus.

>

> Fieldman

>

> My child fell on the floor and got a

gash on the underchin.

>

> Well my almost two year old DD was playing on November 1st and

fell

> hard on the floor. There was a deep gash on the under side of

her

> chin and she bled for sometime. She cried for sometime and then

she

> was fine while we rushed to the pediatrician.

>

> The pediatrician said no stitches were needed and the nurse did

some

> cleaning with betadine and dressing. The pediatrician insisted I

get

> the DTaP booster but I declined.

>

> Anyways the pediatrician also wrote a prescription for

antibiotics

> and an anti-inflammatory. We did not give DD any antibiotics.

Tried

> giving her little pain relief but she spat it out.

>

> So I according to my online Indian homeopath's recommendation

gave

> her Arnica 1M two pills on 2nd November. I have to mention that

> Maracuja here has been extremely helpful and kind to me. Without

her

> help, I would have never thought of getting Steri strips for DD.

>

> Since DD had such a horrible experience while getting her wound

> dressed (four people holding her down while the nurse dressed)

we

> decided we would do it ourselves. Initially we cleaned the wound

> with betadine and then tried to apply Steri strips as well as

she

> would cooperate.

>

> Well yesterday I thought the wound was getting better but today

I

> noticed little greyish discharge coming out through the gap

between

> the Steri strips. She is been active and her normal self these

last

> two days. She has been sleeping well too. Now this little

discharge

> has me worried sick. Is the wound getting bad? There was little

> swelling around the wound yesterday but I thought this was

normal.

> The time she got hurt, the wound was pretty deep and it seemed

> certain that she would need stitches. But I did not want her to

get

> any stitches because I know how terrible the healthcare here is.

I

> did not want her to have unnecessary pain and trouble so I

thought

> we did the right thing by just dressing it.

>

> Now I am scared beyond words...why is there pus coming? Should I

> give her Arnica again? She was acting real hyper last evening

after

> I gave her the Arnica but I don't think it should cause problems

> right?

>

> PLEASE PLEASE HELP!! What should I do?

>

> Deepali

>

November 3, 2008

There was a discussion awhile back about using 1M. I have never used it, so

can't remember what the advice was there but I think you should be extremely

careful about repeating it so often. That is a very potent dose. I have always

used 30c with great results. Also, I know nothing about Steri strips. I would

air that wound out or put a very loose bandage over it.

I second the Vit. C (never used honey but that sounds good, too). I would also

use Larix. It is a natural antibiotic that I use for many types of infections.

However, I can't see your daughter's injury, so if you feel she needs to be

seen, I wouldn't wait too long. You can bet they'll give her antibiotics,

though.

Winnie

Re: My child fell on the floor and got a gash on the

underchin.

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> Hi , thank you so much for writing back. I have kept the

>

> page open and keep on refreshing it! That's how desperate I am.

>

> I have been giving her son's Chewable 500 mg Vitamin C

> sweetened with grape juice which consists of equal parts of SA

> and

> AA at least 3-4 times a day. I always used to give her two tabs

> daily but since she got hurt I have increased it to 4 times a day.

>

> The thing is she drools a lot and so I think part of the problem

> is

> that the saliva is constantly keeping the dressings wet. We have

> been applying Steri strips now but they become wet too. I don't

> know

> what Manuka honey is and I doubt we will find it here. Can I

> apply

> regular store-bought honey instead? I know my DH will be aghast

> at

> the idea but I am willing to try it.

>

> Also we were thinking of taking her to the pediatrician today

> evening because I don't want it to get infected further. I gave

> her

> Arnica once again sometime back. I am just praying hard this

> wound

> heals soon. I hate seeing my DD fight and cry at the doctor's

> clinic. It is just so sad. Me and my DH try to engage her in

> play

> and then quickly try dressing it up.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Deepali

>

> >

November 3, 2008

wharrison@... wrote:

>There was a discussion awhile back about using 1M. I have never used it, so

can't remember what the advice was there but I think you should be extremely

careful about repeating it so often. That is a very potent dose.

>

Yes, Winnie is so VERY right. When I saw that you gave 1M and MORE than

one pellet AND a dry dose, I almost keeled over!!!! 30c is probably

more than adequate and it should be given in a liquid dose ONLY as needed.

A few yrs ago I fell down the stairs on my butt and got a huge, purple

bruise about the size of a basketball (I've got a big back end) ;-p I

took 1M Arnica and couldn't figure out why it didn't help. I asked my

homeopath. She told me that the higher the potency the more it works on

emotional/mental issues rather than physical ones. She said I would

have been much better off with the 30c potency. 1M Arnica is more for

trauma, shock, etc.,--like if you've been in a terrible car accident or

something *really* serious. And it should NEVER be given in a dry

dosage--can cause a lot of aggravations.

>I have always used 30c with great results.

>

My remedy kit w/ about 150 remedies is ALL 30c. I have one Arnica 30x

for minor muscle soreness, a few 200c remedies that my homeopath gave

me, more than a dozen LMs (from treating my animals over the years), and

only three remedies in 1M that I got years ago. I have used them rarely.

As for honey, try to get raw, unheated honey if you can source it at a HFS.

This link might also help, but remember to use low potencies in a

Medicinal Solution (water).

http://www.simillimum.com/education/first-aid-room/index.php

Bobbett

November 3, 2008

Honey, great for nausea , too!

On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Fieldman wrote:

> Regular store brought honey will still help. I have used that

> before, and it has worked. The Manuka honey just has higher

> antiseptic properties. I am pretty sure Maracuja has info on this.

> I am sure she posted something a while back. The saliva will most

> certainly be the reason it is getting infected. You may just have

> to change the dressing a bit more frequently. It is hard sometimes

> when wounds are in places like that.

>

> Fieldman

>

> My child fell on the floor and got a

> gash on the underchin.

> >

> > Well my almost two year old DD was playing on November 1st and

> fell

> > hard on the floor. There was a deep gash on the under side of

> her

> > chin and she bled for sometime. She cried for sometime and then

> she

> > was fine while we rushed to the pediatrician.

> >

> > The pediatrician said no stitches were needed and the nurse did

> some

> > cleaning with betadine and dressing. The pediatrician insisted I

> get

> > the DTaP booster but I declined.

> >

> > Anyways the pediatrician also wrote a prescription for

> antibiotics

> > and an anti-inflammatory. We did not give DD any antibiotics.

> Tried

> > giving her little pain relief but she spat it out.

> >

> > So I according to my online Indian homeopath's recommendation

> gave

> > her Arnica 1M two pills on 2nd November. I have to mention that

> > Maracuja here has been extremely helpful and kind to me. Without

> her

> > help, I would have never thought of getting Steri strips for DD.

> >

> > Since DD had such a horrible experience while getting her wound

> > dressed (four people holding her down while the nurse dressed)

> we

> > decided we would do it ourselves. Initially we cleaned the wound

> > with betadine and then tried to apply Steri strips as well as

> she

> > would cooperate.

> >

> > Well yesterday I thought the wound was getting better but today

> I

> > noticed little greyish discharge coming out through the gap

> between

> > the Steri strips. She is been active and her normal self these

> last

> > two days. She has been sleeping well too. Now this little

> discharge

> > has me worried sick. Is the wound getting bad? There was little

> > swelling around the wound yesterday but I thought this was

> normal.

> > The time she got hurt, the wound was pretty deep and it seemed

> > certain that she would need stitches. But I did not want her to

> get

> > any stitches because I know how terrible the healthcare here is.

> I

> > did not want her to have unnecessary pain and trouble so I

> thought

> > we did the right thing by just dressing it.

> >

> > Now I am scared beyond words...why is there pus coming? Should I

> > give her Arnica again? She was acting real hyper last evening

> after

> > I gave her the Arnica but I don't think it should cause problems

> > right?

> >

> > PLEASE PLEASE HELP!! What should I do?

> >

> > Deepali

> >

November 3, 2008

I was surprised at the use of 1M - I think It was labeled IMK so I suggested

contacting the homoeopath regarding that. We have only ever used IM for serious

ongoing agony of adhesions. All others have been 6c or 30c.

Maracuja