Re: The ethics of internet marketing practices

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn. The whole web-based sales business model brings up a lot of issues

for me. It is a huge blessing to have these websites to gather and share

information about treatment protocol and products and it is also wrought with

complications regarding the quality of info presented...

i guess big blessings bring big challenges.

> >

> > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> >

> > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't find

them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to will

willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to get

more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post negative

posts and simply not receive more products free.

> >

> > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> >

> > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> >

> > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW unethical

is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> >

> > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free

product. This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> >

> > What do others on this site think?

> >

> > z3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

z3 I had to be resourceful when so ill, I was BROKE! My farm was grown up my

taxes back due. All the money I spent on stuff that was a waste, only wanting to

share what worked and was resourceful. Making my own laundry soap, body soap,

shampoo, mms, and enzyme has saved me a fortune, and have worked for me. I can

only share this, not sell it, sorry. I do have enough enzyme to last me quite

awhile with winter approaching but plating time and bug time it will be used:)

> > >

> > > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> > >

> > > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't

find them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to

will willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to

get more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post

negative posts and simply not receive more products free.

> > >

> > > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> > >

> > > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> > >

> > > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW

unethical is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> > >

> > > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free

product. This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> > >

> > > What do others on this site think?

> > >

> > > z3

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I so agree with you Rush. It does seem like the the pot is kept stirring and

stirring about ESP. It reminds me of the time when 95% of the posts in the room

were about MMS and we had so many members leave in frustration. I hope it

doesn't get to that point again where members start leaving cause of the

constant hurtfulness by these posters. Any existing member can see almost every

post, by this group that goes around to all the rooms and bashes Trish, keeps

dishing on ESP products and Trish. They all eventually get back to ESP, over and

over. I would not be surprised if they are all not the same poster...probably

some other soap company rep. It's time we all stop responding to the

negativeness they are promoting and totally ignore them. They thrive on hurting

people, very sad for them. Even more sad is how they started and continued the

rumor of Trish being Mr Commons Senses sister and business associate, even after

Lynn told them she wasn't. Seems like there is no limits to what they will say

or do to try and hurt Trish. Maybe we should respond to every negative post with

something positive Trish has done to help us and not respond to the

negativeness??

> >

> > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> >

> > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't find

them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to will

willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to get

more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post negative

posts and simply not receive more products free.

> >

> > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> >

> > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> >

> > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW unethical

is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been disclosed.

Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> >

> > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free product.

This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> >

> > What do others on this site think?

> >

> > z3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bobby Rush Look I only expressed an opinion in response to Z3 question. You can

do the same, trash MMS trash anything I write if you disagree, God Bless America

right?

> > >

> > > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> > >

> > > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't

find them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to

will willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to

get more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post

negative posts and simply not receive more products free.

> > >

> > > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> > >

> > > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> > >

> > > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW

unethical is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> > >

> > > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free product.

This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> > >

> > > What do others on this site think?

> > >

> > > z3

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The New Hope 2 soap has worked for me. Was using the Azure sulfur soap

previously. It was effective, but had added ingredients which made it impure,

and obviously damaging to both skin and overall health.

The ESP team was positively responsive to my need, and assured me the postage

would not be as their site had computed.

Their help made things work.

D.

>

> All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

>

> 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't find

them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to will

willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to get

more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post negative

posts and simply not receive more products free.

>

> 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford to

purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the items

you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you honestly

do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are sending you

free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who likes our

products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We would go

broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying customers.'

>

> If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

>

> I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW unethical

is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

>

> It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of their

profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to individuals

who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund that a person

could apply to help from for free products). In the best case scenario, the

funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion of the product

would be expected or allowed from those who receive free product. This sounds

like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

>

> What do others on this site think?

>

> z3

>

[Guest guest]

Great review. Saw Azure or something like it at a discount store and dang near

hurled at everything but the active ingredient.

> >

> > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> >

> > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't find

them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to will

willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to get

more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post negative

posts and simply not receive more products free.

> >

> > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> >

> > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> >

> > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW unethical

is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> >

> > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free

product. This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> >

> > What do others on this site think?

> >

> > z3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great suggestions. I love that ESP soap!

> > >

> > > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

> > >

> > > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't

find them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to

will willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to

get more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post

negative posts and simply not receive more products free.

> > >

> > > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot afford

to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the

items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you

honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

> > >

> > > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

> > >

> > > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW

unethical is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

> > >

> > > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free product.

This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> > >

> > > What do others on this site think?

> > >

> > > z3

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

good point Bobby...replace negative with positive or simply ignore negative....this site is very important for newcomers and drama isn't what they need....From: Zoe <zoe_z3@...>bird mites Sent: Mon, November 1, 2010 10:27:01 AMSubject: Re: The ethics of internet

marketing practices

Great suggestions. I love that ESP soap!

> > >

> > > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two questions :

> > >

> > > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't find them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to will willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to get more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post negative posts and simply not receive more products free.

> > >

> > > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > > Someone calls a company and says, "I love your product and I cannot afford to purchase it." The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of the items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much you honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying customers.'

> > >

> > > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise' reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness it is for them within their post.

> > >

> > > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW unethical is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business ethics-offense in my mind.

> > >

> > > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free product. This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

> > >

> > > What do others on this site think?

> > >

> > > z3

> > >

> >

>