Re: ESP Marketing Practices: Unethical

October 25, 2010

How do you know this is not a smear campaign against ESP for some bizarre

reason???

It is the frequent, log-time, regular posters (like me) on this site who

frequently write about liking/loving ESP products. Not folks who are only on

for a short while. We've known each other a long time and do not recommend

product to each other that we don't feel are excellent. And all of us have

different opinions than each about almost everything to do with treatment

methods. There has also been lots of negative and positive posts here about Anu

on this site by the long-time-poster and no complaints of harassment ever.

Perhaps the solution is to try a little bit of a ESP product if you think it may

help you and if it doesn't then post that it did not work for you.

z3

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> > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange for

positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

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> > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally emailing our

members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them with lawsuits

if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her plenty of

opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of the forum

with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for themselves. "

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> > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so crazy and

bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad about esp

don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all defensive and

start accusing you of everything under the sun.

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October 27, 2010

I did. Esp offerd free stuff to me if I woud rite fer them at forums but I

dont rite or think well. they prefer you have cell phone in case somone says bad

on esp so the workrs respond quik. I dont hav cell. Its nice they give this for

poor peoples who can rite good with lots of time on hand to spend at forums

saying good thigs on esp. I dont undrestand why this woud be somthin bad? Its

same as workin a regrler job only you jest hav to say good things fer them to

giv you stuf. I wish othr companys woud do this to help poor people in this hard

times.

> > Obviously anyone receiving product in exchange for positive reviews on

forums is not going to expose themselves to the very public they are trying to

scam. Would be counter-productive.

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> > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange for

positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

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> > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally emailing

our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them with

lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her plenty

of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of the

forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves. "

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> > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so crazy

and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad about

esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all defensive and

start accusing you of everything under the sun.

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October 28, 2010

Uhh.... in ethical circles it's called a conflict of interest. That's why some

people consider making false statements in exchange for " stuff " from ESP or any

business a bad thing.

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> > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange for

positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

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> > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally emailing

our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them with

lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her plenty

of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of the

forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves. "

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> > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so crazy

and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad about

esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all defensive and

start accusing you of everything under the sun.

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October 30, 2010

But what about poor people who cant afford. Wats wrong with saying nice thing of

esp if they give you free stuff in exchang? i mean insted of making false

statement whats wrong going to forums to sell esp to others if its nice? they

are nice to let poor people do this i think, it is not bad. this is more than

what other business woud do, they dont care for poor people or try help us.

Another questin I have, about birdmites. Do they leeve behind any black pepper

or blak specs sorts of things?

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> > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange

for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

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> > > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them

with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves. "

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> > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

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October 30, 2010

Somebody said I was bribed by esp. no. They just offerd to give free stuff if I

woud say good things on them at internet forums. this is very, very good thang

for poor people I think who rite well.

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> > > > > > > > It's like a barter system. Esp gives people products in exchange

for positive reviews at forums. Like paid trolls only they get paid in products

instead of $. Someone was asking about how the ESP Distributer program works. I

don't know exactly. After seeing aggressive language from torpedolynn and

troll-like activity last night I asked a friend who moderates another forum

about this and she said,

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> > > > > > > > " Tricia was banned from our site because she was personally

emailing our members harassing and threatening emails. She was threatening them

with lawsuits if they discussed her products in a negative light. We gave her

plenty of opportunities but she was more interested in controlling the flow of

the forum with her many trolls than letting her products simply speak for

themselves. "

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> > > > > > > > So there you have it. I was wondering why anyone would get so

crazy and bent out of shape like this and now I know. If you say anything bad

about esp don't be surprised if trolls come out of the woodwork, get all

defensive and start accusing you of everything under the sun.

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October 30, 2010

Would you mind if I clone you, Marie? Your do-it-yourself attitude personifies

American ingenuity at it's best. Need more like you....

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> > > > All this talk about unethical business practices begs the following two

questions :

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> > > > 1) Why would someone want free products from any company if they don't

find them helpful? The person must HONESTLY FIND THEM HELPFUL and want them to

will willing to promote them on a website over any period of time in order to

get more of it. If the person stopped liking the products they could post

negative posts and simply not receive more products free.

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> > > > 2) How unethical is the following type of situation?

> > > > Someone calls a company and says, " I love your product and I cannot

afford to purchase it. " The company says, " OK, then we will send you a few of

the items you love for free if you could just take some time to post how much

you honestly do like those products. Please don't tell other people that we are

sending you free products though because we cannot afford to send everyone who

likes our products (and is willing to post about it) the products for free. We

would go broke very quickly sending free products out to all our happy paying

customers.'

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> > > > If a company offered free products in exchange for honest 'post praise'

reviews to an individual in need, then people who are NOT lucky enough to be

able to afford these products may appreciate this type of offer as long as the

company encourages them to rate the product honestly regarding how helpfulness

it is for them within their post.

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> > > > I'm sure this happens on the web with many companies. So just HOW

unethical is it? It is a very gray-area conflict-of-interest which has not been

disclosed. Yet it is NOT false praise. It does not rate as a serious business

ethics-offense in my mind.

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> > > > It would be best for the company to simply put aside a small portion of

their profits in a straight forward way to send out product for free to

individuals who cannot afford it in special cases (like a special-needs fund

that a person could apply to help from for free products). In the best case

scenario, the funds existence and use would be fully disclosed and no promotion

of the product would be expected or allowed from those who receive free

product. This sounds like a pipe-dream, but I guess I can dream...

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> > > > What do others on this site think?

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October 30, 2010

Absolutely. I've been quite critical of the cedar-cide products you like and

you've never behaved in a harsh, reactionary fashion to me.