Re: I am a new member.. Question?

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

> I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been

drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> Thanks!

> Shari

Understandably so. Since you already seem to not have a problem with

slowing down/spacing out vaccs, why not just cancel that appt? You can

always say you're researching. Use your time to read up on that vaccine

and others to come. Don't feel pressured and don't give into the

doctors. They will probably try to bully and/or threaten you but stand

firm. After all, you are the parent and it's up to you to make informed

choices about your child's health.

So, read, read, and read some more !!! Find out about diseases

themselves, so you're not afraid of some " deadly disease " everyone

seems to be mentioning these days.. Research the vaccine ingredients as

well...

Magda

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

I felt the same way!

You will come to a conclusion.

If I were you, I would do absolutely nothing till I new one way or

the other. It will take awhile to gather the info.

When my baby was a newborn I didn't let anyone near her (but close

family) . There are cultures that do that. I think it is the Chinese

who hold off till the baby is 6 months.

I felt , at the time, since she wasn't vaxed, I would keep her safer

till she got older. Now that she is a year I am more opened. I bring

her around. However, I do wash hands a lot. I know she needs to be

exposed to the bad guys too. (bacteria) She is. She has an older

sister.

I feel now that she is older she is better equipped to handle a

more serious sickness if she contracts it. When they are very young

it is more dangerous for them to catch these disease.

She was at home with me as-well.

Right or wrong, I did what I thought was best.

Regards,

correy

On Sep 18, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Magda Velecky wrote:

> > I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

> vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been

> drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> > Thanks!

> > Shari

>

> Understandably so. Since you already seem to not have a problem with

> slowing down/spacing out vaccs, why not just cancel that appt? You can

> always say you're researching. Use your time to read up on that

> vaccine

> and others to come. Don't feel pressured and don't give into the

> doctors. They will probably try to bully and/or threaten you but stand

> firm. After all, you are the parent and it's up to you to make

> informed

> choices about your child's health.

> So, read, read, and read some more !!! Find out about diseases

> themselves, so you're not afraid of some " deadly disease " everyone

> seems to be mentioning these days.. Research the vaccine

> ingredients as

> well...

> Magda

>

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Hi Shari! Welcome!

I know....my head was spinning for months. In a nutshell what you

will learn will make your head spin all the more. I have learned the

following this past year from this group, reading books, viewing

VAERS, studying ingredients, viewing previously reported statistics

from the CDC, and my own personal vaccine induced nightmare...

1. The CDC lies about how rare adverse reactions are

2. Doctors are trained to not read vaccine literature - therefore

they do not recognize adverse reactions when they occur. Even if

they do recognize them, rarely are they reported

3. If your child were to die or be seriously harmed by a vaccine,

there is a 50% (or higher) chance that you will not be compensated

through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Claim process

4. The CDC lies to the public about number of lives saved by

vaccines (their reported death statistics before/after each vaccine

came on the market has not changed). Yes, the number of disease

cases have dropped, but the number of deaths from disease has not.

Meaning the vaccine didn't do anything to prevent those numbers

(which were extremely low anyways)

5. Although the FDA approves vaccines now matter what the

ingredients, they also ban or limit certain vaccine ingredients from

food or over the counter products because they are hazardous to your

health! Research stocks, pharmaceutical products, director of FDA for

further info

6. Every single agency and individual involved in the vaccine

program (who are " pro-vax " ) stands to gain in one way or another

financially

7. Every vaccine is capable of killing or seriously injuring you

8. Vaccines have never been studied long-term. Many reactions occur

months later (diabetes is one of them)

I still keep my pediatrician in the event that she is needed. It

truly is all about eating correctly, taking quality vitamins,

sunshine and exercise. You could also google home remedies for

illnesses too (like Grandma used to use).

>

> HI! I am new to this group. I am very concerned by the vaccine

effects that could happen to my son. I have slowed down his vaccs,

but I know that it is still harmful. He is scheduled for his DTAP on

the 25th of this month.

> I feel that there is SOO much info that I need to learn in order to

protect him from any diseases; Whooping Cough, Measles, Mumps,

etc....

> Due to financial hardships; I also don't have the money to cover

Homopathic or Holistic/ natural remedies that my insurance doesn't

cover.

> What do you do in this case?

>

> I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been

drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> Thanks!

> Shari

>

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Great job on the info!!! Go girl!!'

Needed to ask you about the vitamins you take.

correy

On Sep 18, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Dawn wrote:

> Hi Shari! Welcome!

>

> I know....my head was spinning for months. In a nutshell what you

> will learn will make your head spin all the more. I have learned the

> following this past year from this group, reading books, viewing

> VAERS, studying ingredients, viewing previously reported statistics

> from the CDC, and my own personal vaccine induced nightmare...

>

> 1. The CDC lies about how rare adverse reactions are

> 2. Doctors are trained to not read vaccine literature - therefore

> they do not recognize adverse reactions when they occur. Even if

> they do recognize them, rarely are they reported

> 3. If your child were to die or be seriously harmed by a vaccine,

> there is a 50% (or higher) chance that you will not be compensated

> through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Claim process

> 4. The CDC lies to the public about number of lives saved by

> vaccines (their reported death statistics before/after each vaccine

> came on the market has not changed). Yes, the number of disease

> cases have dropped, but the number of deaths from disease has not.

> Meaning the vaccine didn't do anything to prevent those numbers

> (which were extremely low anyways)

> 5. Although the FDA approves vaccines now matter what the

> ingredients, they also ban or limit certain vaccine ingredients from

> food or over the counter products because they are hazardous to your

> health! Research stocks, pharmaceutical products, director of FDA for

> further info

> 6. Every single agency and individual involved in the vaccine

> program (who are " pro-vax " ) stands to gain in one way or another

> financially

> 7. Every vaccine is capable of killing or seriously injuring you

> 8. Vaccines have never been studied long-term. Many reactions occur

> months later (diabetes is one of them)

>

> I still keep my pediatrician in the event that she is needed. It

> truly is all about eating correctly, taking quality vitamins,

> sunshine and exercise. You could also google home remedies for

> illnesses too (like Grandma used to use).

>

> >

> > HI! I am new to this group. I am very concerned by the vaccine

> effects that could happen to my son. I have slowed down his vaccs,

> but I know that it is still harmful. He is scheduled for his DTAP on

> the 25th of this month.

> > I feel that there is SOO much info that I need to learn in order to

> protect him from any diseases; Whooping Cough, Measles, Mumps,

> etc....

> > Due to financial hardships; I also don't have the money to cover

> Homopathic or Holistic/ natural remedies that my insurance doesn't

> cover.

> > What do you do in this case?

> >

> > I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

> vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been

> drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> > Thanks!

> > Shari

> >

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Hi Shari,

First of all, I would suggest putting off the appointment. If your

son is healthy, he doesn't need to go see the doctor. Just tell

them your schedule has changed and that you'll have to reschedule at

a later date.

IF you decide not to cancel, they will likely poo-poo your fears AND

they will try to coerce you into vaccinating him.

I know each story is different, but the DTAP is what did it to my

best friend's son when he was two. She had separated the vaccines

(not into individual vaccines, like tetanus, then diptheria - I

don't even think you can do that with that particular one - but did

polio for one visit, then a few weeks later did the dtap, etc.)

thinking she was helping her son beat the onslaught and thus not

have any ill effects. Well, he's going to be five in November and

still can't talk or use the toilet, etc. etc. He faded soon after

his two-year dtap shot and is now fully autistic.

ANYHOW, we do not see a naturopath, but only because we have never

needed one. Not vaccinating doesn't mean to you can only see

alternative docs. You just need to find a doctor near you that will

be open to your choice to not vaccinate. We get the occasional

homeopathic remedy at Whole Foods (or our home-town, family-owned

version) and those last quite a while. Hylands makes a nice " Kids

Kit " that is about $30 that helps with colds, etc. Has about 6 or 7

remedies. We do see a chiropractor regularly. My son has never

been sick enough to " need " to see the medical doctor.

It can definitely be overwhelming, BUT you have time on your side!

There is no schedule for having to vaccinate - if you do your

research and at the end, feel the need to vaccinate, you can always

do it later. But you can't undo the vaccines once they're in your

sweet babe.

Great books: Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parents' Guide by Aviva

Jill Romm; Sanctity of Human Blood by Tim O'Shea; Neill Z 's

newest book - can't remember the name of it, but it's a vaccine

guide. Read, read, read! Everything will be okay!

>

> HI! I am new to this group. I am very concerned by the vaccine

effects that could happen to my son. I have slowed down his vaccs,

but I know that it is still harmful. He is scheduled for his DTAP

on the 25th of this month.

> I feel that there is SOO much info that I need to learn in order

to protect him from any diseases; Whooping Cough, Measles, Mumps,

etc....

> Due to financial hardships; I also don't have the money to cover

Homopathic or Holistic/ natural remedies that my insurance doesn't

cover.

> What do you do in this case?

>

> I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been

drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> Thanks!

> Shari

>

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Take a step back and take a deep breath. YOU are the parent, and YOU

are in charge of your child's health. Don't let the healthcare system

bully you. If you don't get the DTaP vax on the 25th, your child is

most likely NOT going to come down with any of those diseases on the

26th. Doctors will try to convince you that if you don't vax RIGHT

NOW, it means certain death for your child. The truth is, these

diseases are rare, and getting your child vaccinated will not make

much difference in whether or not they actually contract a disease.

The vaccinated get the diseases they are vaccinated for, just like the

unvaccinated get diseases once in awhile, too; and the vaccinated also

have to worry about the risks of adverse reactions... something an

unvaccinated individual never has to face. In light of that, why not

cancel your appt on the 25th? You don't even have to tell them why

you're canceling, just call and cancel. Then start reading... and

read some more, and some more. You can always just keep delaying a

vaccine and researching further till you're comfortable one way or the

other (once you research them, I'm confident you will choose not to

vaccinate), but once a child receives a vaccine, it can't be taken

back; once it's in their system, it's in there for good... no do-overs

allowed in this game!

The media has really started stepping things up to try to create

hysteria over the vaccine controversy (like they do on so many

subjects). For instance they are reporting a recent measles outbreak

as an " epidemic " , but it was only something like 130 people that

contracted the mumps. In a country of over 300 MILLION, this hardly

constitutes an " epidemic " ! Your child has a far greater chance of

getting autism (current statistics are approximately 1 in 67 for

autism) or other ailment from a vaccine than they do from contracting

the measles in the wild. The media also blows the severity of the

diseases way out of proportion in most cases. The measles used to be

considered a rather benign childhood disease. Even my mom had it as a

child and she's still very healthy and alive to see her grandchildren.

Same with mumps, chicken pox, etc. It's really good to research and

learn about the diseases themselves. You'll find that once you start

studying knowledge replaces fear.

Some book recommendations:

" A Shot In The Dark " by Coulter/Fisher

" Vaccine Safety Manual " by Neil Z.

" How to Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor " by

Mendelsohn, M.D.

And here's an online video to get you started. it's 2.5 hours, but it

goes quick because it's easy to understand.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/02/14/why-vaccines-aren-\

t-safe.aspx

or

http://tinyurl.com/4k5wc8

You can also search the archives for this list on things like DTaP, or

" Pertussis " or any of the other diseases and vaccines and find a lot

of info. There is also a plethora of info at Sheri's (listowner) site

here:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

and the Mothering.com website has a great forum on vaccination and

natural parenting, too:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47

Welcome to our list, and good for you (and your child for seeking more

knowledge on the subject of vaccines! !

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Shari Reich <sharih714@...> wrote:

> HI! I am new to this group. I am very concerned by the vaccine effects

> that could happen to my son. I have slowed down his vaccs, but I know that

> it is still harmful. He is scheduled for his DTAP on the 25th of this

> month.

> I feel that there is SOO much info that I need to learn in order to protect

> him from any diseases; Whooping Cough, Measles, Mumps, etc....

> Due to financial hardships; I also don't have the money to cover Homopathic

> or Holistic/ natural remedies that my insurance doesn't cover.

> What do you do in this case?

>

> I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info against

> vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that I has been drilled

> in my head for my entire life. My head is spinning!!

> Thanks!

> Shari

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Okay, my sleep-deprived mommy brain and my fingers aren't jiving...

this should read " 130 people that contracted the MEASLES " , not mumps.

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Roberg <trinnea@...> wrote:

>

> The media has really started stepping things up to try to create

> hysteria over the vaccine controversy (like they do on so many

> subjects). For instance they are reporting a recent measles outbreak

> as an " epidemic " , but it was only something like 130 people that

> contracted the mumps.

Posted September 18, 2008 · September 18, 2008

Hi, Shari. Good for you to research this. It sure is overwhelming to try to

learn the truth about vaccines and to let go of what we've been brainwashed

with. You should be concerned about vaccine effects. I suggest waiting until

you're sure if a vaccine is safe and will work before allowing it. You first

need to protect him from the vaccines. That is the immediate danger to him, not

the diseases.

As far affording alternative health care, it's not cheap either to spend all

your co-pays at the docs, especially after hours, when your child gets sick from

vaccines. It's certainly not cheap to pay out of pocket for special services for

your learning disabled child or to otherwise try to repair the damage. Try to

look at it from that viewpoint. It's a tough spot to be in. Does your insurance

at least cover alternative doctor's visits? I've had some companies that will do

that but not cover the meds.

Winni

I am a new member.. Question?

Vaccinations

> HI! I am new to this group. I am very concerned by the vaccine

> effects that could happen to my son. I have slowed down his

> vaccs, but I know that it is still harmful. He is scheduled for

> his DTAP on the 25th of this month.

> I feel that there is SOO much info that I need to learn in order

> to protect him from any diseases; Whooping Cough, Measles,

> Mumps, etc....

> Due to financial hardships; I also don't have the money to cover

> Homopathic or Holistic/ natural remedies that my insurance

> doesn't cover.

> What do you do in this case?

>

> I gotta tell you that it is overwhelming with all the info

> against vaccinations and then take the conventional methods that

> I has been drilled in my head for my entire life. My head is

> spinning!!

> Thanks!