Re: chicken pox question and tetnus

[Guest guest]

Hi! Welcome!

I would fear the vaccine more than the disease. Studies are now

showing that children are getting shingles from the chicken pox

vaccine! This is something that always affected adults?! Also, I've

heard of many, many children still getting the chicken pox after the

vaccine/booster. I was fine with my vaccines as a child. Got a

rubella vaccine last year at 34 years old and now my hearing is

damaged. All it takes is one. My 28 year old sister-in-law received

a CP vaccine last year and refused the booster. She's not even

concerned (from Romania and never had the disease). She is more

concerned about the vaccines than the disease now. I really wouldn't

worry.

Tetanus? Look at it this way....in the rare event that it does

occur, it is treatable (my uncle recovered without vaccines or

drugs). However, only be concerned if you live in the sticks and

don't have a car. Useless vaccine that has a very high failure rate

too I might add.

>

> I'm new here but have been lurking for a while. Unfortunately it is

> too late for me since I have already, mostly vaccinated my two

> children. Every time I go into the Dr's office I feel bullied by

> something and end up giving in. Too bad I didn't know about this

> group years ok so I could prepare myself for all the tactics. It's

> ok, b/c I am still learning a great deal from this group, and

learning

> how to stand up to Dr on other things. Well ok, maybe not stand up.

> I've been avoiding dr's or let my husband take the children with

clear

> instruction to him not to let them DO anything to the children.

He's

> a rock (and can pretend feign confusion and ignorance to the point

of

> stagnation very well...so more like a wall!)

>

> But my ? Both my kids got one dose of the chicken pox vaccine. I

> feel so stupid that I let them stick both my children knowing that

the

> chicken pox are so benign. But now you need a booster shot. One

son

> is due for the booster. I don't know what to do. I'm terrified he

> will get the adult version one day if I do not let him get the

> booster. I would try to find someone who had the chicken pox so he

> could get truly immune, but since he got one shot, I'm not sure he

> would get infected anyway. Even if he gets the booster, I am still

> terrified that the artificial immunity will not be enough to last

> through adulthood. Any suggestions of folks who have gone through

this.

>

> Also he is up for tetanus. Any info about this and if it is

necessary.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi --

Don't fret that your kids are partially vaxed -- so are mine. It took my DS

having a severe allergic reaction to DPT for me to question vaccines. And

yes I wish I'd been wise enough to question before -- oh well.

As for chicken pox. I had it in my late teens and had no issues.

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:00 PM, vanessa_wic <vanessa_wic@...> wrote:

> I'm new here but have been lurking for a while. Unfortunately it is

> too late for me since I have already, mostly vaccinated my two

> children. Every time I go into the Dr's office I feel bullied by

> something and end up giving in. Too bad I didn't know about this

> group years ok so I could prepare myself for all the tactics. It's

> ok, b/c I am still learning a great deal from this group, and learning

> how to stand up to Dr on other things. Well ok, maybe not stand up.

> I've been avoiding dr's or let my husband take the children with clear

> instruction to him not to let them DO anything to the children. He's

> a rock (and can pretend feign confusion and ignorance to the point of

> stagnation very well...so more like a wall!)

>

> But my ? Both my kids got one dose of the chicken pox vaccine. I

> feel so stupid that I let them stick both my children knowing that the

> chicken pox are so benign. But now you need a booster shot. One son

> is due for the booster. I don't know what to do. I'm terrified he

> will get the adult version one day if I do not let him get the

> booster. I would try to find someone who had the chicken pox so he

> could get truly immune, but since he got one shot, I'm not sure he

> would get infected anyway. Even if he gets the booster, I am still

> terrified that the artificial immunity will not be enough to last

> through adulthood. Any suggestions of folks who have gone through this.

>

> Also he is up for tetanus. Any info about this and if it is necessary.

>

[Guest guest]

Don't feel too bad. Many of us also vaxed ours before wising up. Good idea to

send your stoic hubby to the docs, but eventually you will be confronted with

this. It's difficult to not be bullied for many people, but mostly those who

doubt their stance. I would say read more, get angry that they bullied you and

know that the best way to avoid coming home from the peds with vaxed kids is not

to go at all. Find a new alternative doc.

Anyway, on the CP shot: another one WON'T be enough to last throughout

adulthood, and doubtful it will work at all. Having one or a hundred isn't going

to change that. Don't feel obligated to get another just because you got the

first. It won't make the first one work.

Why don't you want it and what is your reservation on the tetanus shot?

Winnie

chicken pox question and tetnus

Vaccinations

> I'm new here but have been lurking for a while. Unfortunately

> it is

> too late for me since I have already, mostly vaccinated my two

> children. Every time I go into the Dr's office I feel bullied by

> something and end up giving in. Too bad I didn't know about this

> group years ok so I could prepare myself for all the tactics. It's

> ok, b/c I am still learning a great deal from this group, and learning

> how to stand up to Dr on other things. Well ok, maybe not stand up.

> I've been avoiding dr's or let my husband take the children with clear

> instruction to him not to let them DO anything to the children. He's

> a rock (and can pretend feign confusion and ignorance to the

> point of

> stagnation very well...so more like a wall!)

>

> But my ? Both my kids got one dose of the chicken pox vaccine. I

> feel so stupid that I let them stick both my children knowing

> that the

> chicken pox are so benign. But now you need a booster shot.

> One son

> is due for the booster. I don't know what to do. I'm terrified he

> will get the adult version one day if I do not let him get the

> booster. I would try to find someone who had the chicken pox so he

> could get truly immune, but since he got one shot, I'm not sure he

> would get infected anyway. Even if he gets the booster, I am still

> terrified that the artificial immunity will not be enough to last

> through adulthood. Any suggestions of folks who have gone

> through this.

>

> Also he is up for tetanus. Any info about this and if it is

> necessary.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>For tetanus, i have read that it's the minor wounds that get

>untreated that can infect a

>person. The deep wounds get immediate attention/washed/disinfected

>and thus the

>tetanus doesn't take hold. It's the surface scratches that just get

>left to heal since they are

>minor that end up infecting the person. Therefore I am fastidious

>about cleaning/washing

>all cuts/scratches anywhere on my kids bodies. All scratches/cuts

>get washed with soap

>and dried and then a dab of Lavender Essential Oil dabbed on (it is

>a disinfectant). And I

>make sure they wear shoes outside so they don't step on rusty nails

>or whatever. A couple

>of weeks ago my daughter's sandals (thick soles) had an old nail

>sticking directly into the

>sole, all the way up almost thru the sole about 1/2 " . Had the kid

>been barefoot, she'd be

>in the hospital from that nail! So, that's how I handle avoiding

>tetanus infection. And we

>do lots of outdoor activities, but I use caution and commonsense and

>cleanliness.

Actually tetanus develops in areas where there is NO oxygen - the

deeper wounds, but just let them bleed and clean themwell.

Sheri

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> Why don't you want it and what is your reservation on the tetanus shot?

>

>

I am just starting to have reservations about ALL shots. I work so

hard at getting just the best ingredients/materials for my children's

bodies (organic, brst milk, raw milk, no bad plastic, ect.) but then

they get injected (oops I accidentally wrote infected and not

injected) directly into their blood stream these very bad chemicals.

All the vaccines must have chemicals to preserve them, right? It is

not making much sense to me.

But then again I am considering a lifestyle in which I may not be

close to a hospital and I may be traveling around, so possibly I may

need to give my children some shot (tetanus?) I just don't know. I do

waffle between " what's the harm, " and " tell me what's the point! "

Plus I am starting to feel a bit scammed by the many times that I am

supposed to go into the dr and pay my 20 bucks (plus what the

insurance pays the dr). I have to go in for a camp physical, I have

to go in for a school physical, I have to go in for various

shots...each time there is something wrong with what I have done, what

my child does, or there is some crazy advice I get (last thing was to

start pulling the foreskin back or it will close up...no way I'm doing

that to a 5 yr old!).

So I am starting down a road of questioning a passive resistance I

guess for now.

[Guest guest]

Okay, so this is somewhat new to you but you are putting it together. You are on

the right track so keep asking questions.

I would say on the tetanus to remember that if you got tetanus naturally you

wouldn't be immune from it in the future so don't expect a vaccine for it to

provide immunity, either. If you get yourself educated about natural meds, and

carry around an arsenal the way I do, you should be fine. Get yourself a nice

stock of homepathic meds, some hydrogen peroxide, vitamins and a vaporizer and

you're pretty well set.

I understand about the waffling between what's the harm and what's the point. We

know the point it to keep kids healthy, no matter which side you're on, but the

harm with vaxing is that they are not guaranteed to work and they have very

serious side effects, including death.

You take on that risk immediately when you vaccinate. You do NOT take on the

immediate risk of side effects from all diseases when you don't vax.

You ARE being scammed with these physicals. I can understand them wanting to

know your child can withstand physical activities for sports, or if there is a

medical condition they have to give meds for. But the main reason is to pressure

you to vaccinate, no doubt about it.

And you are right not to let them mess with the foreskin. I had a doc once pull

my son's down (he'd been circumcised but not a lot and there was some closing

up) and it made no difference except to cause him a lot of pain. I never let

anyone touch him again and he's 16 now and tells me he's fine, please stop

asking me these embarrassing questions, Mom...

Anyway, keep on researching and you will become more confident about your

decisions.

Winnie

Re: chicken pox question and tetnus

Vaccinations

>

> >

> > Why don't you want it and what is your reservation on the

> tetanus shot?

> >

> >

> I am just starting to have reservations about ALL shots. I work so

> hard at getting just the best ingredients/materials for my children's

> bodies (organic, brst milk, raw milk, no bad plastic, ect.) but then

> they get injected (oops I accidentally wrote infected and not

> injected) directly into their blood stream these very bad

> chemicals.

> All the vaccines must have chemicals to preserve them, right?

> It is

> not making much sense to me.

>

> But then again I am considering a lifestyle in which I may not be

> close to a hospital and I may be traveling around, so possibly I may

> need to give my children some shot (tetanus?) I just don't

> know. I do

> waffle between " what's the harm, " and " tell me what's the point! "

>

> Plus I am starting to feel a bit scammed by the many times that

> I am

> supposed to go into the dr and pay my 20 bucks (plus what the

> insurance pays the dr). I have to go in for a camp physical, I have

> to go in for a school physical, I have to go in for various

> shots...each time there is something wrong with what I have

> done, what

> my child does, or there is some crazy advice I get (last thing

> was to

> start pulling the foreskin back or it will close up...no way I'm doing

> that to a 5 yr old!).

>

> So I am starting down a road of questioning a passive resistance I

> guess for now.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

good for you.

start with my webpages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm

Sheri

listowner

At 03:37 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote:

> >

> > Why don't you want it and what is your reservation on the tetanus shot?

> >

> >

>I am just starting to have reservations about ALL shots. I work so

>hard at getting just the best ingredients/materials for my children's

>bodies (organic, brst milk, raw milk, no bad plastic, ect.) but then

>they get injected (oops I accidentally wrote infected and not

>injected) directly into their blood stream these very bad chemicals.

>All the vaccines must have chemicals to preserve them, right? It is

>not making much sense to me.

>

>But then again I am considering a lifestyle in which I may not be

>close to a hospital and I may be traveling around, so possibly I may

>need to give my children some shot (tetanus?) I just don't know. I do

>waffle between " what's the harm, " and " tell me what's the point! "

>

>Plus I am starting to feel a bit scammed by the many times that I am

>supposed to go into the dr and pay my 20 bucks (plus what the

>insurance pays the dr). I have to go in for a camp physical, I have

>to go in for a school physical, I have to go in for various

>shots...each time there is something wrong with what I have done, what

>my child does, or there is some crazy advice I get (last thing was to

>start pulling the foreskin back or it will close up...no way I'm doing

>that to a 5 yr old!).

>

>So I am starting down a road of questioning a passive resistance I

>guess for now.

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link and info. This really helps build my arsenal of

knowledge! I was taught that these diseases that the vaccines protect

us from were all so horrible. But then they brought out the chicken

pox vaccine, and I know that this one is so benign. At least that is

what I was taught. Now that they have the vaccine they are teaching

us that it is so horrible. Very suspicious!

I also always wondered how, if you had to keep getting the tetanus

shot all the time, could you insure that you are " safe " before that

fateful moment when you get infected. It seemed sort of like luck to

me.

[Guest guest]

http://www.vaclib.org/links/tetanusindex.htm is a useful link re wound hygiene &

tetanus.

From: vanessa_wic <vanessa_wic@...>

Subject: Re: chicken pox question and tetnus

Vaccinations

Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 8:26 PM

Thanks for the link and info. This really helps build my arsenal of

knowledge! I was taught that these diseases that the vaccines protect

us from were all so horrible. But then they brought out the chicken

pox vaccine, and I know that this one is so benign. At least that is

what I was taught. Now that they have the vaccine they are teaching

us that it is so horrible. Very suspicious!

I also always wondered how, if you had to keep getting the tetanus

shot all the time, could you insure that you are " safe " before that

fateful moment when you get infected. It seemed sort of like luck to

me.

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