Re: Bye Bye Mr. Kirby (more to my previous post)

[Guest guest]

Yes, I read your posts on EOH. Your langauge and insults to fellow

listmates were indeed uncalled for. That would get anyone kicked off

of a group.

Instead of insulting someone who brought attention to ONE aspect of

vaccine dangers and Public Health corruption, why don't YOU do

something constructive about your concerns?

I am aware that mercury has not been completely removed. Maybe you

can think of some ways to get that information accross without

ailinating people that have helped us?

Did you ever read his book? He documented how the government covered

up information, concealed vaccine data to outside researchers, and

how they treated vaccine injured people. Thanks to him, thousands and

thousands of people who don't have a link to a vaccine injured person

learned of these facts. Yes, mercury in vaccines is only part of the

problem. But to a public that fully believes that vaccines are gifts

from God, and that Public Health officials only have our best

interests at heart, this was a HUGE wake-up call.

I have met Mr. Kirby, and he is a heck of a nice guy. I really wish

you would look more closely at what he has done for us who want the

public to know that the Public Health System is corrupt.

Sylvia

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> > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free vaccines....

> > >

> > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the

> mercury

> > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may cause

> Autism.

> > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done with

you.

> > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of family

> pieces

> > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like you

> dancing

> > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's not.

> > >

> > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/ autism-

and-

> a-

> > > link-to-brain-development. html

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry Sylvia if you misread what I stated on the other group. My

insults were directed toward misguided journalists - nothing more and

again, I apologize for my language. I was not insulting any other

members - only journalists. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.

Scroll down to section " THIS IS WHAT DR. CARLEY RESPONDED " :

http://www.drcarley.com/US_autism_kaplan_carley.html

> > > >

> > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

vaccines....

> > > >

> > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the

> > mercury

> > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may cause

> > Autism.

> > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done with

> you.

> > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

family

> > pieces

> > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like you

> > dancing

> > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's not.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/ autism-

> and-

> > a-

> > > > link-to-brain-development. html

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

I didn't misread. You shouted in capital letters calling people

ingnorant. Your post was in response to someone who politely

disagreed with you about Kirby. Message # 85038 on EOH.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but your postings are in the

archives. Cursing at people and calling them ignorant is just

counterproductive. It gives the pro-vaccine crowd amunition against

us. The pro-vaccine crowd reads EOH and often post things they feel

make us look bad on their websites.

I don't think publicly bashing Kirby helps our cause at all. If

you don't feel he has done enough, or wish he has responded

differently to questions, or whatever, than you should voice your

opinion on that. But I hope we can all be respectful about it.

Sylvia

> > > > >

> > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> vaccines....

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the

> > > mercury

> > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

cause

> > > Autism.

> > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

with

> > you.

> > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> family

> > > pieces

> > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like

you

> > > dancing

> > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

not.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

autism-

> > and-

> > > a-

> > > > > link-to-brain-development. html

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I did call the people dancing around the mercury and Autism

issue - ignorant (journalists). Was that an insult to other board

members? - Not at all. Mercury is not the sole factor in causing

Autism and Autism is not the only thing vaccines can cause (my family

of four are vaccine injured and none of us have Autism).

Because of Kirby's claims of mercury causing Autism (in the

very beginning of his journey), many people still felt compelled to

vaccinate their children (supposedly with mercury-free vaccines) and

their child(ren) subsequently still regressed into Autism and

suffered other damages from other ingredients. How has he been

helpful? While he did shine the spotlight on government corruption -

he sadly mislead many unsuspecting parents in the process too and

their children suffered as a result of his not wanting to retract his

earlier statements. I do understand that he is now speaking of other

ingredients while on tour, but the damage has already been done in

many families and still continues to this day unless they attend one

of his lectures and learn otherwise.

I did want to clarify another area - I was not kicked out of that

group. Maybe you had just assumed that. I chose to leave it after

Kirby's remarks about the story (his agreeing with the

journalist who wrote it that mercury was taken out since 2003). It

was not taken out - only lowered.

I know that you think I don't do anything to help with " the cause " .

I have to disagree. Much of my day is taken from my own family with

the hopes of educating others about vaccine injury. I distribute

fliers, business cards, emails to schools/doctors/psychologists,

etc. There are just not enough hours in the day and many more people

to reach.

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> > > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> > vaccines....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on

the

> > > > mercury

> > > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

> cause

> > > > Autism.

> > > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

> with

> > > you.

> > > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> > family

> > > > pieces

> > > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like

> you

> > > > dancing

> > > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

> not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

> autism-

> > > and-

> > > > a-

> > > > > > link-to-brain-development. html

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sylvia

I hope we can resolve this and remember we are all on the same side.

Having said that, I call people in the allopathic world ignorant all the time.

It is what freedom of speech is about. Think about it. About 90% of the people

in this country are totally ignorant of the dangers of vaccines and drugs.

(meds)

I not only could care less what the pro-vaccine crowd says, I welcome them with

open arms.

I am like this for two reasons. One we are in a war..Our childrens  and

grandchildrens lives are at stake.

I have personally talked to of NVIC. When I asked WHY would they

take the position of looking for safer vaccines, she said she wouldnt want to

take the responsibilty if a child " caught " something and died. I told her she

needed to learn more about what causes health and less about what these ignorant

Allopaths think causes disease. And reason two, I have spent about 30 years

questioning there wisdom. And you know what I found out, when it comes to

health, they are ignorant. And most people have recieved their Mis-education

from them. And they have been educated by the drug companys and promoted by the

insurance companys.

I do not know if you or your children have been a victim of their life-saving

" treatments' or not?

In my case their vaccines caused my daughter disease, their cortizone caused her

disability, and their overdose of vancomyicin cause her death. I woke up. And I

will wake up anybody who has a desire to do so.

Sometimes we who trusted and have paid for that with a severe penality get real

angry.

Maybe thats where Dawn is. As I said at the top I hope we are all on the same

side.

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D

Shots in body's are deadly

and drugs too

Re: Bye Bye Mr. Kirby (more to my previous post)

Hi Dawn,

I didn't misread.. You shouted in capital letters calling people

ingnorant. Your post was in response to someone who politely

disagreed with you about Kirby. Message # 85038 on EOH.

I am not trying to be argumentative, but your postings are in the

archives. Cursing at people and calling them ignorant is just

counterproductive. It gives the pro-vaccine crowd amunition against

us. The pro-vaccine crowd reads EOH and often post things they feel

make us look bad on their websites.

I don't think publicly bashing Kirby helps our cause at all. If

you don't feel he has done enough, or wish he has responded

differently to questions, or whatever, than you should voice your

opinion on that. But I hope we can all be respectful about it.

Sylvia

> > > > >

> > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> vaccines....

> > > > >

> > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on the

> > > mercury

> > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

cause

> > > Autism.

> > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

with

> > you.

> > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> family

> > > pieces

> > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like

you

> > > dancing

> > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

not..

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

autism-

> > and-

> > > a-

> > > > > link-to-brain- development. html

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

First of all, I am so sorry to hear about your daughters death. I

cannot begin to imagine what you have gone through. I applaud you for

trying to make change in the world.

My kids are vaccine injured. Both of them have vaccine induced

autism. I have been on the various boards for over 8 years. I

too have publicly stated that I don't think my kids injuries are just

the result of mercury in vaccines. But I think mercury made the

vaccines my kids recieved even more injurious. I also think the

reason why my youngest sons autism is so severe is because he also

recieved a large amount of Tylenol and antibiotics during his first

year.

But I have never called people the names Dawn used when I disagreed

with their opinions. I guess that is where we differ.

Sylvia

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> > vaccines....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on

the

> > > > mercury

> > > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

> cause

> > > > Autism.

> > > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

> with

> > > you.

> > > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> > family

> > > > pieces

> > > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists like

> you

> > > > dancing

> > > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

> not..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

> autism-

> > > and-

> > > > a-

> > > > > > link-to-brain- development. html

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Again, I will ask: did you even read the book?

He highlighted the governments data that the more mercury a vaccine

contained, the higher percentage of autism resulted. That is

something I think all Americans should know about. The government

knew, so they covered it up. That doesn't mean that a vaccine without

mercury or less mercury can't cause harm. It means what most of us

know: mercury is the second most toxic substance on earth, and it is

beyond crazy that we have been injecting it into babies. It is one of

the stupidist things mainstream medicine has done, and it should be

broadcasted. When people learn how stupid and how corrupt the system

is, they begin to question other things about vaccines. Kirby

can't be held responsible for correcting all the wrongs of the

vaccine industry. But he very well pointed out the thimerosal cover-

up. He did his research and reported the facts of that particular

issue.

And the co-moderator at EOH is one of my closest friends. So I wasn't

assuming anything.

Sylvia

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> > > vaccines....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on

> the

> > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

> > cause

> > > > > Autism.

> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

> > with

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> > > family

> > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists

like

> > you

> > > > > dancing

> > > > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

> > not.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

> > autism-

> > > > and-

> > > > > a-

> > > > > > > link-to-brain-development. html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jim....I'm sorry if I insulted you Sylvia. I'm am just

carrying around a lot of guilt and anger. I'm trying to put it to

good use - at times it gets the best of me. Again, I'm sorry.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> > > vaccines....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on

> the

> > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

> > cause

> > > > > Autism.

> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

> > with

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> > > family

> > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists

like

> > you

> > > > > dancing

> > > > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

> > not..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

> > autism-

> > > > and-

> > > > > a-

> > > > > > > link-to-brain- development. html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Absolutely. We all agree with each other more than we disagree, so I

am all for working on the mutual goal.

Sylvia

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is still mercury in many of the mercury-free

> > > vaccines....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What are the political ASSHOLES trying to do? Pin it on

> the

> > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > alone? We all know that other environmental toxins may

> > cause

> > > > > Autism.

> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but thank you no longer Mr. Kirby. I am done

> > with

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > Forgive me for being so damn harsh, but I have a lot of

> > > family

> > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > to pick up and I'm sick of the bullshit journalists

like

> > you

> > > > > dancing

> > > > > > > around acting like mercury is the only factor when it's

> > not..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.usnews. com/blogs/ on-parenting/ 2008/7/11/

> > autism-

> > > > and-

> > > > > a-

> > > > > > > link-to-brain- development. html

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