Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

June 12, 2008

what is the source of your information?

Jim

Chicken pox vaccine works?

If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that it's been the

improved living

conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of chicken pox declined

since the

introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication that there is some

truth to the

concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I know they have

terrible side

effects which are worse than the diseases themselves (especially in the case of

something like

chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could explain the

decrease in

chicken pox if not the vaccine?

June 12, 2008

I agree, that the vax may have some sort of effect in delaying the

apperence of CP in children, but they have to get repeated boosters in

order to keep the immunity up. Whereas if a child just gets it (as I am

sure ALL of us had CP) they have lifetime immunity. Not to mention CP

becomes more dangerous the older the person infected with it is. I

personally believe CP is a right of passage for a child, but I'm not

going to search it out to infect them (but I won't jidge anyone who

does)

L.

June 12, 2008

I don't really have a source. My information comes from reading posts (not sure

which

group) where moms say they are having trouble finding chicken pox to expose

their kids

to. So, perhaps it is only the perception of some people that the incidence of

chicken pox

has gone down. I hope that's the case because I want my kids to catch it.

>

> what is the source of your information?

> Jim

>

> Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that it's been the

improved living

> conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of chicken pox

declined since the

> introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication that there is some

truth to

the

> concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I know they have

terrible side

> effects which are worse than the diseases themselves (especially in the case

of

something like

> chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could explain the

decrease in

> chicken pox if not the vaccine?

>

June 12, 2008

The reason I asked is because that type of statement comes from pro-vaxinators

or those who have a vested interest in selling vaccines or making money off of

vaccinated kids like schools. That same lie has been used since the days of

Jenner. Stop to think you put a poison in the body, the body responds to get the

poison out just like it would do for any foreign substance gaining entrance like

a transplanted heart. And because the body has a built in protection system that

will go after anything that shouldn't be there. These ignorant (about Health)

people(Allopaths) CONCLUDE that this (vaccine poison) is somehow going to

protect one in the future. Of course this only makes since if one BELIEVES that

illness comes from without rather then from within. Keep in mind that figures

don't lie but liars figure.

Jim

Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that it's been the

improved living

> conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of chicken pox

declined since the

> introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication that there is some

truth to

the

> concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I know they have

terrible side

> effects which are worse than the diseases themselves (especially in the case

of

something like

> chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could explain the

decrease in

> chicken pox if not the vaccine?

>

June 12, 2008

I'm wondering, too, because I have noticed that there have been no real

" outbreaks " of CP since my kids had it in 1997. However, now that I'm thinking

about it, I realize that I wouldn't have truly noticed unless my kids had it

again since then--which they (probably) won't! Therefore, I am assuming there

are fewer cases, or I'm not paying attention. Either way, not very scientific of

me.

Maybe it's the way it is with other diseases: oh, your vaxed child couldn't

possibly have whooping cough--it must be a summer virus. Or, oh, that can't

possibly be measles--it must be dermatitis (?!?!). Or it can't be CP--must be

bug bites. So, the rates appear to be down because of improper diagnoses of

vaxed kids. And only unvaxed kids " get " the diseases.

That's my unscientific guess.

Winnie

Chicken pox vaccine works?

> >

> > If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that

> it's been the improved living

> > conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of

> chicken pox declined since the

> > introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication

> that there is some truth to

> the

> > concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I

> know they have terrible side

> > effects which are worse than the diseases themselves

> (especially in the case of

> something like

> > chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could

> explain the decrease in

> > chicken pox if not the vaccine?

> >

June 12, 2008

AND since my oldest son went for the first seven years of his life without

getting it (and the vaccine wasn't even available before he was five), maybe

it's normal to go without seeing CP for many years in a row.

Winnie

Chicken pox vaccine works?

> > >

> > > If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that

> > it's been the improved living

> > > conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of

> > chicken pox declined since the

> > > introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication

> > that there is some truth to

> > the

> > > concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I

> > know they have terrible side

> > > effects which are worse than the diseases themselves

> > (especially in the case of

> > something like

> > > chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else

> could

> > explain the decrease in

> > > chicken pox if not the vaccine?

> > >

June 12, 2008

I never had chicken pox, although both my sisters did, and my Mom

wanted so bad for me to get it too. Anyways, I don't really consider

chicken pox a disease, so I don't see why it should try to be

stopped. Read the section on chicken pox in Neil Z. 's new

book. If I remember correctly, he was saying how about 100 people

per year used to die from chicken pox (usually due to medical

intervention, steriods,) and now, a " reported " 400 people die or

suffer severe reactions to the chicken pox vaccine per year.

Well, I know when my son reaches an appropriate age that I too will

be searching for a chicken pox party.

> > > >

> > > > what is the source of your information?

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > Chicken pox vaccine works?

> > > >

> > > > If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that

> > > it's been the improved living

> > > > conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of

> > > chicken pox declined since the

> > > > introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication

> > > that there is some truth to

> > > the

> > > > concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I

> > > know they have terrible side

> > > > effects which are worse than the diseases themselves

> > > (especially in the case of

> > > something like

> > > > chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else

> > could

> > > explain the decrease in

> > > > chicken pox if not the vaccine?

> > > >

June 12, 2008

I see what the OP is saying. Yes, it appears that cases of chicken

pox have declined. I have wondered this before as well. BUT, as

someone pointed out, boosters are " necessary " because it is still " out

there. " I don't know, maybe it " works " but just for a short time. I

do know there are lots of groups out there, ,

mothering.com, etc that have people looking for pox and lots and lots

of kids are partying. That said, there have been several sets of

parties here recently with LOTS of kids (15 or so) and one child of

the whole group gets them. So, it's interesting. Maybe pox isn't as

virulent as it used to be?

Another thing I remember is that when I exposed my son to CP, the boy

who had them had been exposed numerous times, maybe four or so before

he finally caught it. My son caught it the first time (well, the

second really but I don't think the first boy was still contagious).

But he only had about 40 pox. The three children we exposed who

caught it had a much worse time than we did.

June 12, 2008

That's the figure one of my old peds gave me, 100 deaths. When I pointed out to

him that we should be talking about children only, and that would be about

50--and yes, what about their state of health at the time and treatments given,

he stopped pressing it.

Winnie

Chicken pox vaccine works?

> > > > >

> > > > > If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather

> that

> > > > it's been the improved living

> > > > > conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence

> of

> > > > chicken pox declined since the

> > > > > introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an

> indication

> > > > that there is some truth to

> > > > the

> > > > > concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are

> good. I

> > > > know they have terrible side

> > > > > effects which are worse than the diseases themselves

> > > > (especially in the case of

> > > > something like

> > > > > chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else

> > > could

> > > > explain the decrease in

> > > > > chicken pox if not the vaccine?

> > > > >

June 12, 2008

It works by making the person sick with other symptoms, not recognised as CP.

Then if exposed to CP, they may or may not show symptoms of it. Depending on if

the symptoms they are already producing, override the CP ones or not. I hope it

makes sense. That is the easiest way to describe my take on it anyway. Others

can expand on it.

I made an interesting observation many years ago. A friend of mine was

suffering serious alcoholism. I noticed that every time he gave up, he would

get seriously ill, in many other ways. And catch everything that was going. It

was almost like the alcohol was keeping him healthy. Knowing what I know now,

tells me a different explanation. He was so sick with the symptoms of the

alcoholism, that his body would no longer present the lesser ones.

Fieldman

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

I see what the OP is saying. Yes, it appears that cases of chicken

pox have declined. I have wondered this before as well. BUT, as

someone pointed out, boosters are " necessary " because it is still " out

there. " I don't know, maybe it " works " but just for a short time. I

do know there are lots of groups out there, ,

mothering.com, etc that have people looking for pox and lots and lots

of kids are partying. That said, there have been several sets of

parties here recently with LOTS of kids (15 or so) and one child of

the whole group gets them. So, it's interesting. Maybe pox isn't as

virulent as it used to be?

Another thing I remember is that when I exposed my son to CP, the boy

who had them had been exposed numerous times, maybe four or so before

he finally caught it. My son caught it the first time (well, the

second really but I don't think the first boy was still contagious).

But he only had about 40 pox. The three children we exposed who

caught it had a much worse time than we did.

June 13, 2008

Homeopathically, it is judged that the vaccine injects a chronic case of the

illness being vaccinated against, often sub-clinical with no apparent

symptoms. The body is effectively too weak to throw it off and it sits

there, festering. With the CP vax, this may also explain the increasing

incidence of shingles in children.

The children who react to the vaccine with a CP rash and strong fever are

probably the luckiest ones - they are throwing off the toxins from the

vaccine. Children who have a mild fever after vaccination are showing some

signs of resistance to the vaccine, albeit low-key - these will possibly

exhibit symptoms of vaccine damage in due course. The ones who are worst

off are those that have no response to the vaccine - these are the deep

disturbance cases that are too weak to exhibit a response. These are the

chronic CP cases that probably will never have an acute dose of the CP - or

measles, or mumps or whatever - the principle is the same. The vaccine

damage is done.

No vaccine will ever prevent anything - they just make everyone chronically

sick.

Sue x

-- Chicken pox vaccine works?

If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that it's been the

improved living

Conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of chicken pox

declined since the

Introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication that there is

some truth to the

Concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I know they have

terrible side

Effects which are worse than the diseases themselves (especially in the case

of something like

Chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could explain the

decrease in

Chicken pox if not the vaccine?

June 13, 2008

I watched a video done by the author of The Vaccine Guide. He referred to

Mendelhson's

statement that vaccines didn't result in the decline of any diseases. But then

the author

(sorry, forget his name!) said that we've since found that vaccines do result in

the decline.

That got me thinking. Couple that with what sounds like a chicken pox decline,

I thought

perhaps that is 1 example. I can't really think of any other diseases that

someone could

say the vaccine eliminated/nearly eliminated, once you do a little research and

see the

decline before the vaccine introduction and see how they change diagnoses. But,

if moms

are saying their kids aren't catching chicken pox now, to me that's something

all together

different. I'm not saying the vaccine is good. I still think it's pointless

and does more

harm than good. But now there is a question in my mind - could there be a

smidge of

truth to what these pro-vaxers say? (99.5% error still remains though!)

>

> If we're saying that vaccines don't really work, rather that it's been the

improved living

> conditions, nutrition, etc., then why has the incidence of chicken pox

declined since the

> introduction of the vaccine? Wouldn't this be an indication that there is

some truth to

the

> concept of vaccines? I'm not suggesting vaccines are good. I know they have

terrible

side

> effects which are worse than the diseases themselves (especially in the case

of

something like

> chicken pox). But it has me wondering lately. What else could explain the

decrease in

> chicken pox if not the vaccine?

>

June 13, 2008

>

> Absolutly not.

> If you will give me your address I will send you proof that diseases

> declined before vaccination.

> Jim O'

> Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D.

> Shots in body's are dangerous

>

> Jim, you sound so knowledgable about many things. I would love to

meet you one day What state are you in, if you don't mind me asking?

Katarina

June 13, 2008

I live in NW Ind about 30 miles east of Chicago.

Where are you located?

Jim

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> Absolutly not.

> If you will give me your address I will send you proof that diseases

> declined before vaccination.

> Jim O'

> Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D.

> Shots in body's are dangerous

>

> Jim, you sound so knowledgable about many things. I would love to

meet you one day What state are you in, if you don't mind me asking?

Katarina

June 13, 2008

I don't think chicken pox has ever been that virulent, but maybe I'm

wrong. I just remember that as a child I was exposed to the chicken

pox a LOT, and didn't catch it for years... I was literally the last

one in my class to catch CP, when I was in the 4th grade... the rest

of the class got it between K and grade 3. I can say that with

certainty because I grew up in a very small town, there were only

about 22 kids in my class... and because I remember my mother and the

teacher discussing that I took so long to catch the CP. I remember

that kids would catch them two or three kids at a time... not

" epidemic " numbers, in my opinion. I always thought maybe I was

doomed never to catch the chicken pox and I was ecstatic when I

finally did!

Has anyone ever seen a true CP " epidemic " (many kids with it at one

time?)? I don't think I've ever actually heard of one in my lifetime

at all. I'm 38 years old.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM, <marino_melissa@...> wrote:

> I see what the OP is saying. Yes, it appears that cases of chicken

> pox have declined. I have wondered this before as well. BUT, as

> someone pointed out, boosters are " necessary " because it is still " out

> there. " I don't know, maybe it " works " but just for a short time. I

> do know there are lots of groups out there, ,

> mothering.com, etc that have people looking for pox and lots and lots

> of kids are partying. That said, there have been several sets of

> parties here recently with LOTS of kids (15 or so) and one child of

> the whole group gets them. So, it's interesting. Maybe pox isn't as

> virulent as it used to be?

>

> Another thing I remember is that when I exposed my son to CP, the boy

> who had them had been exposed numerous times, maybe four or so before

> he finally caught it. My son caught it the first time (well, the

> second really but I don't think the first boy was still contagious).

> But he only had about 40 pox. The three children we exposed who

> caught it had a much worse time than we did.

June 14, 2008

I've never seen an epidemic of anything! My father and I got CP at the same

time. I do remember him complaining a lot.

My brother & I got scarletina, a supposedly mild form of scarlet fever. I never

saw or heard of anyone else ever having it.

I was a teenager in the late 60's so I had a rubella jab in 1969 or 1970. No one

I knew ever got it until I was an adult with children of my own. Before that I

only ever remember getting tetanus jabs & the polio sip. At age nearly 5, I

remember a jab in the buttock and was given an ice cream afterwards. It was no

consolation for my hurt pride. Also remember that it infected [boil-like] and I

had to sit in church for an hour on just one side of my gluteus maximus. I do

remember that by high school there were many children with asthma and eczema. I

knew one teenage boy at my school of 1500 who got meningitis. We weren't given

so-called prophylactic treatment at that time. He became deaf from the

treatment, not the DISEASE! Perhaps he was treated with chloramphenicol.

Maracuja

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Re: Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

I don't think chicken pox has ever been that virulent, but maybe I'm

wrong. I just remember that as a child I was exposed to the chicken

pox a LOT, and didn't catch it for years... I was literally the last

one in my class to catch CP, when I was in the 4th grade... the rest

of the class got it between K and grade 3. I can say that with

certainty because I grew up in a very small town, there were only

about 22 kids in my class... and because I remember my mother and the

teacher discussing that I took so long to catch the CP.. I remember

that kids would catch them two or three kids at a time... not

" epidemic " numbers, in my opinion. I always thought maybe I was

doomed never to catch the chicken pox and I was ecstatic when I

finally did!

Has anyone ever seen a true CP " epidemic " (many kids with it at one

time?)? I don't think I've ever actually heard of one in my lifetime

at all. I'm 38 years old.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM, <marino_melissa> wrote:

> I see what the OP is saying. Yes, it appears that cases of chicken

> pox have declined. I have wondered this before as well. BUT, as

> someone pointed out, boosters are " necessary " because it is still " out

> there. " I don't know, maybe it " works " but just for a short time. I

> do know there are lots of groups out there, ,

> mothering.com, etc that have people looking for pox and lots and lots

> of kids are partying. That said, there have been several sets of

> parties here recently with LOTS of kids (15 or so) and one child of

> the whole group gets them. So, it's interesting. Maybe pox isn't as

> virulent as it used to be?

>

> Another thing I remember is that when I exposed my son to CP, the boy

> who had them had been exposed numerous times, maybe four or so before

> he finally caught it. My son caught it the first time (well, the

> second really but I don't think the first boy was still contagious).

> But he only had about 40 pox. The three children we exposed who

> caught it had a much worse time than we did.

June 14, 2008

>

> I live in NW Ind about 30 miles east of Chicago.

> Where are you located?

Jim

>

> New Jersey

June 14, 2008

Does anyone know how many cp vaccines are mandated for school entry. I am

beside myself. I was told my daughter was

up to date for school with vaccinations, but a friend of mine told me her son

needed another chicken pox vax. before starting

kindergarten. I am also baffled about flu vaccine mandates in nj. Apparently,

I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

that it only pertained to preschool children and children entering daycare

facilities. My friend told me the new law for school was that

all students up until age 18 years of age are required for an annual flu

vaccine. She just received the letter from school the other day.

WHY WOULD THE SCHOOL NURSE LIE TO ME ABOUT IT. HOW CAN SHE MAKE A MISTAKE IF

THE LETTERS WERE

JUST SENT OUT AT SCHOOL?????

DON'T THEY KNOW WHAT IS REQUIRED?

THIS IS ISANE.

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> I live in NW Ind about 30 miles east of Chicago.

> Where are you located?

Jim

>

> New Jersey

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>

> I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> that it only pertained to preschool children and children entering

daycare facilities. My friend told me the new law for school was that

> all students up until age 18 years of age are required for an annual

flu vaccine.

Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law requires all

children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu shot. I

don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim a

religious exemption?

Kat

June 14, 2008

I am planning on that, but I have my daughter enrolled in Catholic school right

now. I am stuck

in a rock and a hard place. because they do not have to accept an exemption.

I have a vaccine injured 3 year old son. He is not attending school right now.

I also have a 14 month old who has only had 5 shots until I realized my 3 year

olds seizures occured a week after vaccinations. He was also

a very sick baby. Always on the nebulizer severe breathing problems and very

high fevers.

I need time for my son and his therapy . School is only 2 1/2 hours a day.

My daughter is an older 5. She missed the cutoff by a week and has been in

preschool

since 2 1/2 yrs. old. She is pretty advanced for her age and her preschool

teachers told me she really would benefit from

a full day of school. This is my situation right now. Do you have any

suggestions to help us?

Thanks,

Jen

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> that it only pertained to preschool children and children entering

daycare facilities. My friend told me the new law for school was that

> all students up until age 18 years of age are required for an annual

flu vaccine.

Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law requires all

children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu shot. I

don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim a

religious exemption?

Kat

June 14, 2008

Hi, Jen. Did the school actually tell you they wouldn't accept an exemption? Or

you just know this and haven't tried to give them one?

Here is what I would do: I would give them the exemption and if they refuse to

accept it, I would find another school--but first tell them and give them a

chance to reconsider.

It's not fair, and I know it's not simple to just switch them, but it's either

switch or vaccinate your children with every single vaccine required by law.

I'm sorry you're in this position.

Winnie

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> >

> > I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> > that it only pertained to preschool children and children

> entering

> daycare facilities. My friend told me the new law for school

> was that

> > all students up until age 18 years of age are required for an

> annual

> flu vaccine.

>

> Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law

> requires all

> children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu

> shot. I

> don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim a

> religious exemption?

>

> Kat

>

June 14, 2008

Thanks Winnie, I think this is what I will have to do. No I have not

tried the exemption yet. I did not give my daughters immunization

record yet either. I don't have much time they will start deducting

from our account in August. I do not want my children to receive anymore

vaccines so I am worried to put in a catholic exemption (we are Catholic and

they know we are a member of the parish). I believe the cog for life states

that

The Vatican approved Catholic exemptions for vax's containing aborted fetal line

tissue. We are opposed to all vaccines. My daughter is due for a flu shot and

possibly

another cp vax.

If I put her in public school my letter will not have to state my religion.

I wonder if the Catholic School releases her info. if I transfer her to public

next year?

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

>

> >

> > I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> > that it only pertained to preschool children and children

> entering

> daycare facilities. My friend told me the new law for school

> was that

> > all students up until age 18 years of age are required for an

> annual

> flu vaccine.

>

> Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law

> requires all

> children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu

> shot. I

> don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim a

> religious exemption?

>

> Kat

>

June 14, 2008

It is tough. I have had to change schools for my kids for other reasons so know

the conflicting feelings that go with it.

I can see it's complicated with you're being Catholic and being in Catholic

school. But try it--the exemption surely doesn't say anything about excluding

Catholics from using it. It's kind of a generic form so maybe presenting it as

such might help.

I don't know about what records get transferred but I would think since it's not

a doctor's office, the health forms wouldn't be transferred. If they mattered,

you wouldn't have to keep supplying schools with updated ones. I don't remember

ever seeing health forms being required on the transfer forms. I wouldn't worry

about it.

Winnie

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

> >

> > >

> > > I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> > > that it only pertained to preschool children and children

> > entering

> > daycare facilities. My friend told me the new law for school

> > was that

> > > all students up until age 18 years of age are required for

> an

> > annual

> > flu vaccine.

> >

> > Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law

> > requires all

> > children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu

> > shot. I

> > don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim

> a

> > religious exemption?

> >

> > Kat

> >

June 14, 2008

Thanks. I will be contacting the school on Monday and see what response I get.

Jen,

New Jersey

Re: Chicken pox vaccine works?

> >

> > >

> > > I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> > > that it only pertained to preschool children and children

> > entering

> > daycare facilities.. My friend told me the new law for school

> > was that

> > > all students up until age 18 years of age are required for

> an

> > annual

> > flu vaccine.

> >

> > Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law

> > requires all

> > children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu

> > shot. I

> > don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not claim

> a

> > religious exemption?

> >

> > Kat

> >

June 14, 2008

Good luck and have faith. It just might work out in your favor.

Winnie

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> > >

> > > >

> > > > I was mislead again by the school nurse who claims

> > > > that it only pertained to preschool children and children

> > > entering

> > > daycare facilities.. My friend told me the new law for

> school

> > > was that

> > > > all students up until age 18 years of age are required for

> > an

> > > annual

> > > flu vaccine.

> > >

> > > Hi Jen, your friend is right. I am in NJ too. The new law

> > > requires all

> > > children going to any schools/daycares to get the annual flu

> > > shot. I

> > > don't know anything about CP(varicella) vaccine. Why not

> claim

> > a

> > > religious exemption?

> > >

> > > Kat

> > >

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