Re: Re: Concerned about the laws

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Here is a post I made to this group about a month ago, as I was preparing

for the birth of my son. You can also search the list's archives for " Vit

K " and " Vitamin K " to find info from past posts on the subject.

Also, here is info on Indiana and waiving newborn screens/injections:

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/indiana.htm. They even have sample birth plans

for you to use if you like. If you do need help with a birth plan, there

are several samples here, as well:

http://www.birthingnaturally.net/birthplan/sample/.

Old post on Vit K shot:

Hi Everyone,

I was visiting vaclib.org today and stumbled on the Merck package insert for

the Vitamin K shot that is given to all newborns at birth, unless you opt

out. FATALITY is listed as a known " severe reaction " to the drug. I urge

all of you to think twice about having this administered to your children at

birth.

Here's the package insert:

http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

Congratulations to you and your family!

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Hatton <

stillgrateful365@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for all the feedback on this. Dh and I are definitely on the same

page as far as vaccines go. We still have some research to do on the VitK

shot. I feel sorry for someone who tries to vaccinate baby- going through Dh

would be a hell of a challenge: )

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Hi again

If you want to give your mailing address, I will put you on my mailing list,

and send you a packet of info that i mail out here locally.

Jim

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I'm in Indianapolis. Howdy neighbor: )

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Hi Jim,

Speaking of packages, I got the two you sent in the mail today. I'll post

them to the forum's files tomorrow.

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Jim O <jimokelly@...> wrote:

>

> Hi again

> If you want to give your mailing address, I will put you on my mailing

list,

> and send you a packet of info that i mail out here locally.

> Jim

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In a message dated 5/9/2008 10:55:55 AM Central Daylight Time,

stillgrateful365@... writes:

And I'm going to be 20 weeks at my next appointment. I'm not 100% sure

that it will be easy to find a doctor to take me at that point in

pregnancy. I fell I should have already done it by now if I was going

to try to switch. But I guess better late than never.

,

I changed at 34 weeks with my oldest one.. look for a birth center.. they are

usually much better.

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My suggestion is to go ahead and tell him to see what he says. You could get

lucky and have a doc who is okay with it. If he's not, I recommend finding a

midwife for your prenatal care and delivery. Submit your birthplan and do not

allow the baby out of your sight . You have the right to go with if they do a

hearing test or whatever. Even if you feel unsure of yourself, fake it! You are

in control...

Best

Susie

On May 9, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Hatton <stillgrateful365@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the doctor.

Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided and still

researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB at birth and just

don't go back for well baby visits. I fear submitting my birth plan will cause

my doc to react in a negative way, and I feel that would make my childbirth

experience less than comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next

visit to see his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I

am 17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My husband

thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating at all. I just

don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be dealing with so much

stress over a decision that is completely up to me and that I should never have

to deal with harassment about. I don't think a home birth is right for me. So

that's pretty much out. I'm so

discouraged.

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,

I had a very high risk pregnancy and my delivering OB did not even see

my birthplan.   it is mostly for the attending staff at hospital  (head nurses

and the pediatrician treating your baby).  Unless your OB is going to treat your

baby upon birth... my experience is that they rarely concentrate on those

documents.  I personally  would not worry about what your dr. is going to

think.  this is what is best for your baby period.  I did submit my birth plan

when i registered at the hospital a few weeks in advance and I had about five!!

extra copies with me when i went in for delivery.  Make sure you openly

communicate with all nurses that come in to check you while at the hospital

before you give birth so that they know you expect them to honor your wishes and

as was suggested before, DON'T LET YOUR BABY OUT OF YOUR SIGHT... have your

husband stay with him/her at ALL times. I think that is more important than a

written birth plan.   Don't be

intimidated by them.  My nurses were actually pleased to see what was in my

birthplan.  They didn't have much to do :-)

You are 17 weeks and have a long way to go... have your birth plan ready but

don't stress over this one.  Concentrate on the growing life inside you. 

Remember... they work for YOU!!! not the other way around.  And kudos to you for

thinking about this stuff ahead of time.

IMO Getting through a hospital birth is good training  for the battles ahead

when you take a non-vaxing stance.  Stand up for what you know is best for your

baby.

Peace and blessings.

Ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

Re: Concerned about the laws

Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the doctor.

Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided and still

researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB at birth and just

don't go back for well baby visits. I fear submitting my birth plan will cause

my doc to react in a negative way, and I feel that would make my childbirth

experience less than comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next

visit to see his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I

am 17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My husband

thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating at all. I just

don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be dealing with so much

stress over a decision that is completely up to me and that I should never have

to deal with harassment about. I don't think a home birth is right for me. So

that's pretty much out. I'm so

discouraged.

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Your husband is right. Tell the doc. exactly how you feel. If he isn't concerned

about your feelings, then you need to fire him.

Remember you are the boss. He is no different than a lawyer ar real estate agent

or any other professional. If you don't feel comfortable with

him it will be pure agony for you. If you go along with him and keep those fears

inside it will be just as bad on you.

Not to mention the stress it may provide for you and your hubby. You both need

to be on the same page.

Been there done that. It may be hard for you but you will feel so much better

afterwards.

Jim

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Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the doctor.

Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided and still

researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB at birth and just

don't go back for well baby visits. I fear submitting my birth plan will cause

my doc to react in a negative way, and I feel that would make my childbirth

experience less than comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next

visit to see his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I

am 17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My husband

thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating at all. I just

don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be dealing with so much

stress over a decision that is completely up to me and that I should never have

to deal with harassment about. I don't think a home birth is right for me. So

that's pretty much out. I'm so

discouraged.

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I don't know what state your are in but I was questioning in my mind why you had

to discuss your need to discuss your baby's care with your OB.  Here in NJ the

Dr. that delivers the baby (i guess there are exceptions) is not the dr. that

treats/checks the baby at birth.  So the point of giving your oB your birth plan

is really  to inform him of how YOU would want to be cared for during delivery

and what types of treatment YOU want to avoid.  My birth plan was divided in two

parts (treatment for mommy and treatement for baby).   That would be the only

reason I think you OB would need to even see the birth plan. 

BTW - I had a classic allopath as my OB... very by the book and intervention

happy.  And he did not ask me about a birth plan once.  The hospital staff is

really who you need to focus on as far as the baby is concerned. 

 I believe most parents here only go to  an allopath for that purpose

(physicals).  

What state are you in? 

Ari

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

Re: Concerned about the laws

>

>

> Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the

doctor. Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided

and still researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB

at birth and just don't go back for well baby visits. I fear

submitting my birth plan will cause my doc to react in a negative way,

and I feel that would make my childbirth experience less than

comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next visit to see

his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I am

17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My

husband thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating

at all. I just don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be

dealing with so much stress over a decision that is completely up to

me and that I should never have to deal with harassment about. I don't

think a home birth is right for me. So that's pretty much out. I'm so

> discouraged.

>

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Is it possible to call doctors in your area and ask both questions, about

insurance and doing it your way?

The only insurance I ever had was years ago was when I sold it. So I am not

familiar with how it works today.

Nothing worth while is ever easy. The key is never to give up. Its too bad you

don't consider a midwife. I convinced my son to have home birth

for his last two children. Not only was the daughter in law a lot happier but it

was much safer and didn't cost that much.

Try sleeping on it for a few days. The answer is always there, keep searching

and you will find it.

Jim

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>

>

> Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the

doctor. Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided

and still researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB

at birth and just don't go back for well baby visits. I fear

submitting my birth plan will cause my doc to react in a negative way,

and I feel that would make my childbirth experience less than

comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next visit to see

his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I am

17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My

husband thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating

at all. I just don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be

dealing with so much stress over a decision that is completely up to

me and that I should never have to deal with harassment about. I don't

think a home birth is right for me. So that's pretty much out. I'm so

> discouraged.

>

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Not to change the subject but Jim's post has me  wondering... have any of the

moms here had a home birth after being classified  " high risk " ??  I had 5 losses

before having my daughter recently.  So I am quite curious.  My husband and I

want to have another one and I am terrified of getting pregnant again (esp.

knowing what I know now) and going through my OB.  I love him - he is 

family, but his normal course of practice goes totally against what we are now

trying to do with our lifes as far as distancing us from the allopathic

community.  Sorry, I don't mean to deflect from 's question.   Just

wondering if anyone here has had to deal with that.

 

Arianna Mojica-   (UCC 1-207/1-103) 

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

Re: Concerned about the laws

>

>

> Thanks for the info. I am torn trying to decide how to deal with the

doctor. Some say I should just play it off that I am still undecided

and still researching. Some say tell him that you don't want the HepB

at birth and just don't go back for well baby visits. I fear

submitting my birth plan will cause my doc to react in a negative way,

and I feel that would make my childbirth experience less than

comfortable. I am unsure if I should tell him the next visit to see

his reaction so I can decide if I should stick with him or not. I am

17 weeks now though and don't really want to try to change docs. My

husband thinks we should tell him asap that we will not be vaccinating

at all. I just don't know what to do. It's terrible that I should be

dealing with so much stress over a decision that is completely up to

me and that I should never have to deal with harassment about. I don't

think a home birth is right for me. So that's pretty much out. I'm so

> discouraged.

>

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Hi

Thanks

I'm working on the other info for you and five others.

Should have it mailed in a week or two.

Jim

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Hi Jim,

Speaking of packages, I got the two you sent in the mail today. I'll post

them to the forum's files tomorrow.

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Jim O <jimokelly (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Hi again

> If you want to give your mailing address, I will put you on my mailing

list,

> and send you a packet of info that i mail out here locally.

> Jim

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Some doctors offices have midwives and you would see them instead of an OB. If

you needed a c section the on call doc would perform it, but that's usually the

case anyhow. You might consider hiring a doula. You might be able to find a low

cost or free one....

Susie

On May 9, 2008, at 12:41 PM, " stillgrateful365 " <stillgrateful365@...>

wrote:

My insurance does not cover any birth centers, nor do they cover any

midwives. Not using insurance is not financially possible for us: (

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Yes, hopefully you could find a doula, I don't know what I would have done

without mine (first birth)! Also, most doulas are willing to negotiate the

price with you, or even do it for free like Susie said. My doula told me that

she would never turn me down just because of money! So, even if I were not able

to pay her, she still would have been my doula. We worked a price out and it

wasn't too bad at all! Really worth it!

szahratka <szahratka@...> wrote:

Some doctors offices have midwives and you would see them instead of an OB. If

you needed a c section the on call doc would perform it, but that's usually the

case anyhow. You might consider hiring a doula. You might be able to find a low

cost or free one....

Susie

On May 9, 2008, at 12:41 PM, " stillgrateful365 " <stillgrateful365@...>

wrote:

My insurance does not cover any birth centers, nor do they cover any

midwives. Not using insurance is not financially possible for us: (

>

>

>

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family

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