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I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.

I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.

Ok here are something that have been more strange.

Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.

These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for me

I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.

I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.

I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a

cubbard.

I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from

wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking

soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.

I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of not

the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I put

them away.

I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had gotten

all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has not

been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These are

very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag out

in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength home

defense on it.

So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would once

again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.

One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something

brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.

I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of

putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show

up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.

She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.

From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.

Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.

I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean.

Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.

I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the outside.

I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her wedding just

over a year ago and I don't use them.

They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and then

I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.

This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a blemish

on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.

I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white things

around pots where the handle is attached.

I find black balls around the rim of the stove.

I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and I

had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was

full of black balls.

So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black balls

in all the old nail holes.

I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting the

new floor down.

We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was

boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought

all these things were carpet beetle larvea.

A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the baseboard

was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow and looks

like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up and it

matched a bed but that was nymph.

It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head

lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.

At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.

I could not catch it it moved to fast.

I have seen these a few more times.

There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.

One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that

hops and I managed to get it on some tape.

The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day we

saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very slow

when he saw this he was amazed.

So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I caught

with the long antennea he was not as interested.

I had both on the same tape.

Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.

These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.

I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.

I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light

bands around them.

The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our

outlets.

I don't know what these are.

So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these hopping

long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.

Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full of

various insects.

My husband will call it a hatching.

I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect

parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.

I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and

these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a

unraveled place.

I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape come

out of the washing machine.

This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.

I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add things

to see what happened.

I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.

The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled one

apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing

looked like a piece of dandruff.

I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.

I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.

Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it has

not been in any water.

Sorry to be so long

One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some

repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was

like a thron.

I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.

I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.

I have wondered if we had them inside.

But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.

We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.

I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures posted

on here.

Thanks,

Sandy

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Sandy You might try some orange guard sprayed in your cabinets. Dust every crack

crevice and wall void to. You need to focus on getting these creatures off you

too.

>

> I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.

> I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.

>

> Ok here are something that have been more strange.

>

> Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.

> These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for

me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.

> I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.

> I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a

cubbard.

> I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from

wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking

soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.

> I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of

not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I

put them away.

> I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had

gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has

not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These

are very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag

out in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength

home defense on it.

> So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would

once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.

> One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something

brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.

> I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of

putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show

up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.

> She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.

> From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.

> Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.

> I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean.

Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.

> I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the

outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her

wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.

> They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and

then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.

> This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a

blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.

>

> I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white

things around pots where the handle is attached.

> I find black balls around the rim of the stove.

> I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and I

had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was

full of black balls.

> So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black

balls in all the old nail holes.

> I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting

the new floor down.

> We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was

boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought

all these things were carpet beetle larvea.

> A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the

baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow

and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up

and it matched a bed but that was nymph.

> It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head

lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.

> At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.

> I could not catch it it moved to fast.

> I have seen these a few more times.

> There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.

> One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that

hops and I managed to get it on some tape.

> The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day

we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very

slow when he saw this he was amazed.

> So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I

caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.

> I had both on the same tape.

> Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.

> These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.

> I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.

> I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light

bands around them.

> The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our

outlets.

> I don't know what these are.

> So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these

hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.

> Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full

of various insects.

> My husband will call it a hatching.

> I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect

parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.

> I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and

these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a

unraveled place.

> I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape

come out of the washing machine.

> This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.

> I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add things

to see what happened.

> I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.

> The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled

one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing

looked like a piece of dandruff.

> I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.

> I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.

> Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it

has not been in any water.

> Sorry to be so long

> One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some

repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was

like a thron.

> I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.

> I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.

> I have wondered if we had them inside.

> But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.

> We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.

>

> I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures

posted on here.

>

> Thanks,

> Sandy

>

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Last night, after my bath, I saw where a clearish foggy thing was laying. I used tweezers to put it in a zip lock bag and looked at it with a magnifying glass. It was collembola, but it had a spot of spungy yellow thingy on its head. It also had three blue, what I thought were veins, in its body. Then I noticed a blue stringy thing crawl toward it. It entered, the skin?, mouth?, and set up in the collombola. Weird.

From: sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...>Subject: Thrips and Sprintailsbird mites Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 10:11 PM

I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.Ok here are something that have been more strange.Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a cubbard.I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I put them away.I also had some figurines

that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These are very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag out in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength home defense on it.So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.From my memory it had long

antennea, and was all the parts were there.Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean. Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white things around pots where the handle is attached.I find black balls around the rim of the stove.I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my

daughter was driving us and I had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was full of black balls.So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black balls in all the old nail holes.I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting the new floor down.We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought all these things were carpet beetle larvea.A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up and it matched a bed but that was nymph.It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.At the same time

I saw a different insect that hopped.I could not catch it it moved to fast.I have seen these a few more times.There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that hops and I managed to get it on some tape.The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very slow when he saw this he was amazed.So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.I had both on the same tape.Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of

light bands around them.The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our outlets.I don't know what these are.So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full of various insects.My husband will call it a hatching.I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a unraveled place.I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape come out of the washing machine.This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.I kept these and put them inside a

jar and at different times would add things to see what happened.I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing looked like a piece of dandruff.I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it has not been in any water.Sorry to be so longOne more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was like a thron.I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.I have wondered if we had them inside.But these white gooey

things are the most odd thing.We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures posted on here.Thanks,Sandy

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GMO pesticides and herbicides has caused the insect world to change, I think.

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>

> From: sandy e <ellis.sandy1@...>

> Subject: Thrips and Sprintails

> bird mites

> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 10:11 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.

> I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.

>

> Ok here are something that have been more strange.

>

> Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.

> These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for me

I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.

> I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.

> I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a

cubbard.

> I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from

wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking soda

in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.

> I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of

not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I

put them away.

> I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had gotten

all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has not been

damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These are very

detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag out in the

garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength home defense on

it.

> So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would once

again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.

> One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something

brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.

> I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of

putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show

up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.

> She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.

> From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.

> Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.

> I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean.

Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.

> I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the

outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her

wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.

> They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and then I

saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.

> This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a blemish

on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.

>

> I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white things

around pots where the handle is attached.

> I find black balls around the rim of the stove.

> I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and I

had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was

full of black balls.

> So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black balls in

all the old nail holes.

> I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting

the new floor down.

> We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was

boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought

all these things were carpet beetle larvea.

> A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the

baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow

and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up

and it matched a bed but that was nymph.

> It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head

lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.

> At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.

> I could not catch it it moved to fast.

> I have seen these a few more times.

> There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.

> One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that

hops and I managed to get it on some tape.

> The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day we

saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very slow

when he saw this he was amazed.

> So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I caught

with the long antennea he was not as interested.

> I had both on the same tape.

> Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.

> These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.

> I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.

> I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light

bands around them.

> The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our

outlets.

> I don't know what these are.

> So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these

hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.

> Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full

of various insects.

> My husband will call it a hatching.

> I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect

parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.

> I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and

these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a

unraveled place.

> I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape come

out of the washing machine.

> This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.

> I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add things

to see what happened.

> I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.

> The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled

one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing

looked like a piece of dandruff.

> I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.

> I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.

> Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it has

not been in any water.

> Sorry to be so long

> One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some repain

menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was like a

thron.

> I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.

> I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.

> I have wondered if we had them inside.

> But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.

> We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.

>

> I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures posted

on here.

>

> Thanks,

> Sandy

>

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What you have reported is very similar to what Jess went through. You are not imagining it! Thrips and Sprintails

I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.Ok here are something that have been more strange.Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a cubbard.I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I put them away.I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These are very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag out in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength home defense on it.So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean. Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white things around pots where the handle is attached.I find black balls around the rim of the stove.I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and I had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was full of black balls.So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black balls in all the old nail holes.I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting the new floor down.We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought all these things were carpet beetle larvea.A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up and it matched a bed but that was nymph.It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.I could not catch it it moved to fast.I have seen these a few more times.There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that hops and I managed to get it on some tape.The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very slow when he saw this he was amazed.So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.I had both on the same tape.Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light bands around them.The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our outlets.I don't know what these are.So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full of various insects.My husband will call it a hatching.I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a unraveled place.I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape come out of the washing machine.This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add things to see what happened.I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing looked like a piece of dandruff.I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it has not been in any water.Sorry to be so longOne more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was like a thron.I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.I have wondered if we had them inside.But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures posted on here.Thanks,Sandy

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Sounds similar, but the monsters I had did things that were even more

shocking. I just exhumed an old post I wrote sometime in March, when I

was at my worst. Here it is:

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From: jessnyc <helpnynow@...>

bird mites

Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 2:28:58 PM

Subject: These mites cant be real..

This is like your worst nightmare. I had never seen something like this before.

These insects can actually change their appearance to fool you. The

first time I saw them they looked like a small spider.

They would bite me but they wouldn't overdo it. Then I started to kill

them and bag all my stuff, wash my floors with boiling water, etc..and

they changed completely and began doing the strangest things you could

think of, one of which is bite me out of control and create offspring

like crazy.

They embed themselves on the wall, wood, on things, pretty much

everything. Some years ago I bought a picture I hung on the wall. It

was painted in black. Once I took it off the wall and switched it to a

different place, and it left a stain on my wall. These mites now have

replicated similar versions of that stain about 10 times all over my

bedroom. Some are dead giveaways because you can see the shape of the

original mite. But that stuff is scary. It has horns in it.

Then they become pieces of fiber, like those in my sweaters and

clothes, even the same colors, and they don't move, so you will see

them in you sweaters or pants, and they're so small that you won't

even think they're alive. But I kept seeing the exact same shape in

them until I finally figured it out. I put one in a bag and it started

jumping, so I then realized what it really was.

Then there's all kinds of stains all over my stuff, all of them are

replicas (camouflage) of similar stains around my place, and many of

them are clearly shaped like the mites, with the exact same horns. If

I inadvertently touch one of those, it burns, I guess it was a mite

that just jumped into my skin.

The worst part now is that they are inside of me, so I can't escape

them no matter where I go. They keep shedding eggs from me to the

outside, mostly to my own self, and those larvae fall off me, onto my

body or very close to me, and they return to burrow in me and I feel

the burn as they do.

I need to know if anybody knows of a way of at least killing the ones

inside of you, that way I could just go and take a nap somewhere.

Otherwise, I'm just taking them with me everywhere, and they will keep

shedding eggs everywhere I go.

Yesterday I had the " brilliant " idea of putting some pepper underneath

my sheets so maybe they would be repelled. Well, they weren't. But

this gave them the idea of turn themselves into tiny pepper flakes,

much smaller than the powdered version I had, and they keep raining on

me every three seconds. And since they're so tiny, they dont hurt as

much, but I still feel them, and I realize how many there are. Its'

hundreds and hundreds entering my body. The worst part is that they

are immune to all the things I used to put in my body--a mix of

coconut oil, an olive oil mascara vaseline and epsom salts. They just

fall off and go right into me, despite the stuff I have on.

I know all this stuff is hard to believe, has anyone had any

experience where their mites camouflage themselves like this? Or stain

walls and things around the house, or become fibers in the clothing,

all of these places being where they're probably hatching?

The worst part is that since I started cleaning and killing them, they

have become increasingly angry and aggressive, and they're shedding

eggs out of control everywhere I go. It was so hard last night to make

them stop the egg-shedding and allow me to eat something and then go

to bed. Today like 5 of them were thrown into my bottle of peanut

butter! and yesterday they got all over my oranges and bananas.

Eventually they did stop.. but it was torture. I don't know what to

do, I feel like I have to be away from people, but my job worries me.

Is there anything like elimite (It was prescribed to me by a doctor I

saw) but I read in the site that it doesnt work for bird mites.. is

there anything that could help me get these things out of me

completely?

By the way, I had never heard of insects like these before, is this

what your regular mite will behave like? It almost sounds like a

bio-engineered specie.. how can they be so smart. When I am killing

the smallest larvae entering my body, I feel pricks all over me, like

the mites inside have some kind of receptor to be able to tell whats

going on in the outside. scary stuff..

Any advice or suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.

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All this stuff is gone, thank God. I don't know what did it, but I

started eating garlic, onions, eggs, apple cider vinegar, MSM tablets,

vitamin C, I stopped the peanut butter, I reduced the carbs, I cleaned

everywhere with vinegar, orange plus, pine oil, borax, epsom salts,

baking soda...after that I spread a layer of canola oil on my floor..

and that stopped them from getting to my bed.. I ironed my bed and got

rid of the cotton sheets and used satin.

Things got much better after that, but still, I was not rid of them

completely. Then I moved. But even after moving there would be

problems if there was cotton or humidity. Thankfully, the places where

I stayed were ventilated, quite big, and had no old wood.. but I did

have to put away all the blankets, because if I didn't, they would

hatch in there and bite the crap out of me. Eventually the stronger

monster subsided, but I was still left with occasional black specks,

tiny fibers, crawlings and stingings. Some clothes make it worse than

others, sweating also activates the crawlings.

If I had enough funds, I'd purchase a steam-cleaner, a dehumidifier,

an UV air purifier, and keep things in plastic containers, while

working yourself internally with all kinds of anti-parasitics,

starting with naturals (garlic, onion, cilantro, apple cider vinegar,

MSM, vitamin C, Pau D'Arco, Essiac Tea, probiotics, etc...)

Hope it gets better soon..

Jess

On 9/15/10, Goldstein@... <Goldstein@...> wrote:

> What you have reported is very similar to what Jess went through. You are

> not imagining it!

>

>

>

> Thrips and Sprintails

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.

>

>

> I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.

>

>

>

> Ok here are something that have been more strange.

>

>

>

> Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.

>

>

> These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for

> me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.

>

>

> I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.

>

>

> I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on

> a cubbard.

>

>

> I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from

> wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with

> baking soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.

>

>

> I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of

> not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that

> I put them away.

>

>

> I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had

> gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it

> has not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese.

> These are very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put

> them in a bag out in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even

> put full strength home defense on it.

>

>

> So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would

> once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.

>

>

> One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen

> something brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.

>

>

> I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of

> putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will

> show up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.

>

>

> She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.

>

>

> From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.

>

>

> Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.

>

>

> I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in

> porcelean. Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with

> these pitts.

>

>

> I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the

> outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after

> her wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.

>

>

> They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and

> then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.

>

>

> This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a

> blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.

>

>

>

> I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white

> things around pots where the handle is attached.

>

>

> I find black balls around the rim of the stove.

>

>

> I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and

> I had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it

> was full of black balls.

>

>

> So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black

> balls in all the old nail holes.

>

>

> I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting

> the new floor down.

>

>

> We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment

> was boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I

> thought all these things were carpet beetle larvea.

>

>

> A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the

> baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of

> slow and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband

> looked it up and it matched a bed but that was nymph.

>

>

> It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head

> lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.

>

>

> At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.

>

>

> I could not catch it it moved to fast.

>

>

> I have seen these a few more times.

>

>

> There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.

>

>

> One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these

> that hops and I managed to get it on some tape.

>

>

> The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same

> day we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving

> very slow when he saw this he was amazed.

>

>

> So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I

> caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.

>

>

> I had both on the same tape.

>

>

> Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.

>

>

> These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.

>

>

> I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.

>

>

> I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light

> bands around them.

>

>

> The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of

> our outlets.

>

>

> I don't know what these are.

>

>

> So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these

> hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.

>

>

> Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full

> of various insects.

>

>

> My husband will call it a hatching.

>

>

> I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect

> parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.

>

>

> I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them

> and these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material

> have a unraveled place.

>

>

> I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape

> come out of the washing machine.

>

>

> This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.

>

>

> I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add

> things to see what happened.

>

>

> I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.

>

>

> The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled

> one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one

> thing looked like a piece of dandruff.

>

>

> I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.

>

>

> I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.

>

>

> Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it

> has not been in any water.

>

>

> Sorry to be so long

>

>

> One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some

> repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it

> was like a thron.

>

>

> I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a

> thrip.

>

>

> I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.

>

>

> I have wondered if we had them inside.

>

>

> But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.

>

>

> We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.

>

>

>

> I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures

> posted on here.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Sandy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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For orange oil formulas, check out TKO's site http://tkoorange.com/html/instructions.html Best wishes, Sue

> > >> > > I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.> > > I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.> > > > > > Ok here are something that have been more strange.> > > > > > Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.> > > These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of them and for me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.> > > I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.> > > I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some work done on a cubbard.> > > I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is not from wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar with baking soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the dishes.> > > I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to eat out of not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many pitts in it that I put them away.> > > I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976 that had gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden stand and it has not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is like swiss cheese. These are very detailed carved and instead of throwing them away I put them in a bag out in the garage. They have gotten worse and one I even put full strength home defense on it.> > > So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided would once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to her.> > > One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen something brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.> > > I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has a way of putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit and it will show up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.> > > She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.> > > From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were there.> > > Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.> > > I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in porcelean. Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with these pitts.> > > I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on the outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here after her wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.> > > They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the cabinet and then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.> > > This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't have a blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see bugs.> > > > > > I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the white things around pots where the handle is attached.> > > I find black balls around the rim of the stove.> > > I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was driving us and I had the walled out and started to rake my finger over the stiches and it was full of black balls.> > > So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had black balls in all the old nail holes.> > > I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach before putting the new floor down.> > > We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the treatment was boracare and we also orderd something to kill other insects because I thought all these things were carpet beetle larvea.> > > A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after the baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves kind of slow and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my husband looked it up and it matched a bed but that was nymph.> > > It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked like a head lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.> > > At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.> > > I could not catch it it moved to fast.> > > I have seen these a few more times.> > > There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at UT.> > > One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one of these that hops and I managed to get it on some tape.> > > The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that same day we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it was moving very slow when he saw this he was amazed.> > > So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the one I caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.> > > I had both on the same tape.> > > Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted them.> > > These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.> > > I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea again.> > > I do see them and these are two different colors they have a couple of light bands around them.> > > The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around all of our outlets.> > > I don't know what these are.> > > So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus these hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the outlets.> > > Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a shovel full of various insects.> > > My husband will call it a hatching.> > > I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not insect parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.> > > I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls on them and these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the material have a unraveled place.> > > I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a perfect shape come out of the washing machine.> > > This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool sweater.> > > I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times would add things to see what happened.> > > I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a bottle.> > > The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted and pulled one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different things but one thing looked like a piece of dandruff.> > > I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough rising.> > > I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.> > > Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot but it has not been in any water.> > > Sorry to be so long> > > One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show some repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it out it was like a thron.> > > I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded like a thrip.> > > I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about thrips.> > > I have wondered if we had them inside.> > > But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.> > > We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.> > > > > > I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the pictures posted on here.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Sandy> > >> >>

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Hi Sue,

We love TKO - we clean everything with it. Not sure if it is really helping or

not, but it cleans very well and smells good.

Is your protocol listed on this site? I have heard others mention that you are

better. Could you tell me how you got better? What products you used etc.

Thank you so much,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry for my posts that the spelling is so bad.

> > > > I am afraid if I preview it I would do something and delete it.

> > > >

> > > > Ok here are something that have been more strange.

> > > >

> > > > Almost all of our dishes are getting these tiny holes in them.

> > > > These are not anything you would notice until it was in all of

> them and for me I have a collection of those old blue and white dishes.

> > > > I know which ones had a chip or any type of blemish on them.

> > > > I had to store them over our kitchen cabinets until we had some

> work done on a cubbard.

> > > > I have seen hols in the wooden handles or kitchen utensils this is

> not from wood borers they are to small. Once I tried to put some vinegar

> with baking soda in the cubbards because of the tiny holes in the

> dishes.

> > > > I even have some pewter and some armetale (spell) that we used to

> eat out of not the pewter we ate out of armetale but there are so many

> pitts in it that I put them away.

> > > > I also had some figurines that I bought in Tawian back in 1976

> that had gotten all kinds of holes in them they were on a small wooden

> stand and it has not been damaged but on bottom of these figurines is

> like swiss cheese. These are very detailed carved and instead of

> throwing them away I put them in a bag out in the garage. They have

> gotten worse and one I even put full strength home defense on it.

> > > > So now you can see these black things in the carving. So I decided

> would once again call Dr Vail at UT and take some of these odd things to

> her.

> > > > One thing was a cup that was the blue and white because I had seen

> something brown that had made like a print on the bottom of the rim.

> > > > I just grabbed it going out the door and after she saw it she has

> a way of putting something down inside so inside the cup was a tiny pit

> and it will show up on her computer screen. I saw this myself.

> > > > She first said oh looks like a insect and has antennea and legs.

> > > > From my memory it had long antennea, and was all the parts were

> there.

> > > > Then she immediately said but it could be some fabric.

> > > > I don't understand how fabric could make a perfect insect print in

> porcelean. Plus almost all of the collection I have is now damaged with

> these pitts.

> > > > I don't have anything that could magnify even the ones that are on

> the outside. I even have a set of dishes that my daughter brought here

> after her wedding just over a year ago and I don't use them.

> > > > They were in a cabinet and I got everthing out to steam the

> cabinet and then I saw that these dishes had these tiny holes in them.

> > > > This does not make sense. I even have some pottery that didn't

> have a blemish on it and with just a jewlerys magnifier you can see

> bugs.

> > > >

> > > > I would find tiny brown insects in any type of crevice I find the

> white things around pots where the handle is attached.

> > > > I find black balls around the rim of the stove.

> > > > I had a wallet that looked dirty and one day my daughter was

> driving us and I had the walled out and started to rake my finger over

> the stiches and it was full of black balls.

> > > > So now with us having all the hardwood flooring taken up we had

> black balls in all the old nail holes.

> > > > I had the man that put the new flooring down mop with bleach

> before putting the new floor down.

> > > > We ordered the stuff to treat the sub floor ourselves and the

> treatment was boracare and we also orderd something to kill other

> insects because I thought all these things were carpet beetle larvea.

> > > > A couple of times I was spraying around under the sheet rock after

> the baseboard was off and I have seen two different insects one moves

> kind of slow and looks like a booklice but one day I caught one and my

> husband looked it up and it matched a bed but that was nymph.

> > > > It had long antennea. After the pest guy came he said it looked

> like a head lice. He didn't see any antennea so he was wrong about that.

> > > > At the same time I saw a different insect that hopped.

> > > > I could not catch it it moved to fast.

> > > > I have seen these a few more times.

> > > > There antennea are long just like in the cup I took to Dr Vail at

> UT.

> > > > One day I was getting ready to wash our sheets and there was one

> of these that hops and I managed to get it on some tape.

> > > > The man putting down our flooring said he would take it to UT that

> same day we saw some insect that was near the electrical outlet and it

> was moving very slow when he saw this he was amazed.

> > > > So he took these to his county agent but since he didn't see the

> one I caught with the long antennea he was not as interested.

> > > > I had both on the same tape.

> > > > Later his agent said he needed more because the tape had distorted

> them.

> > > > These were good specemines if they had been sent to our state lab.

> > > > I don't think I can get catch another one with the long antennea

> again.

> > > > I do see them and these are two different colors they have a

> couple of light bands around them.

> > > > The second insect is most likely one of the things that is around

> all of our outlets.

> > > > I don't know what these are.

> > > > So I have these white globs in the grout and around the house plus

> these hopping long antennea things and the things that are around the

> outlets.

> > > > Our porches will be all clean and then overnight there will be a

> shovel full of various insects.

> > > > My husband will call it a hatching.

> > > > I have lived in the country most of my life and live it I am not

> insect parnoid but this place has things that don't make any since.

> > > > I find things that are not eaten but will have threads with balls

> on them and these balls will be attached to a thread that will make the

> material have a unraveled place.

> > > > I have seen some balls the size of a peanut and formed in a

> perfect shape come out of the washing machine.

> > > > This was not long after moving in and I washed some old wool

> sweater.

> > > > I kept these and put them inside a jar and at different times

> would add things to see what happened.

> > > > I even put moth balls boric acid even some pesticide out of a

> bottle.

> > > > The one man that tried to help me find wood borers was fascinted

> and pulled one apart. He had the miscrope. You could see different

> things but one thing looked like a piece of dandruff.

> > > > I once put peroxide one them and they swelled up like dough

> rising.

> > > > I kept some for over a year and nothing happened.

> > > > Some of my wood furniture has bad places that look it wants to rot

> but it has not been in any water.

> > > > Sorry to be so long

> > > > One more thing. Last spring I had to walk around the house to show

> some repain menn something and I got stung by somethng and when I got it

> out it was like a thron.

> > > > I told one of the techs that sprays and he said that it sounded

> like a thrip.

> > > > I ask all I could about thrips. It was odd that he knew about

> thrips.

> > > > I have wondered if we had them inside.

> > > > But these white gooey things are the most odd thing.

> > > > We are going to have to have all of our grout regrouted.

> > > >

> > > > I wish I could send them to someone or tell me how to talk the

> pictures posted on here.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Sandy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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